So they are taking over the notably smaller and notably cursed former Diamond Jack's (and formerly a half dozen other things) location at 71st & Yale.
If the 61st and yale development had ever happened, a nice big new McNellie's there would have killed. Every pharm rep and doctor would have a running tab. Here in a location that is half the size of the downtown one, and with no visibility, it's going to be tough going.
Quote from: sgrizzle on December 23, 2012, 07:47:02 PM
So they are taking over the notably smaller and notably cursed former Diamond Jack's (and formerly a half dozen other things) location at 71st & Yale.
If the 61st and yale development had ever happened, a nice big new McNellie's there would have killed. Every pharm rep and doctor would have a running tab. Here in a location that is half the size of the downtown one, and with no visibility, it's going to be tough going.
I wish him luck. At less than half the distance and about half the time to get there, I am more likely to go to 71st and Yale for a beer and burger than the downtown location. I hope he can replicate the atmosphere of the downtown location.
Quote from: sgrizzle on December 23, 2012, 07:47:02 PM
So they are taking over the notably smaller and notably cursed former Diamond Jack's (and formerly a half dozen other things) location at 71st & Yale.
If the 61st and yale development had ever happened, a nice big new McNellie's there would have killed. Every pharm rep and doctor would have a running tab. Here in a location that is half the size of the downtown one, and with no visibility, it's going to be tough going.
Funny though, there were people who gave the original McNellie's 6 months due to it's "unfortunate" location in the bowery that was 1st & Elgin in 2004.
I don't think this location is bad at all. Under-promoted or terrible concepts in that building in the past? Absolutely. Elliot is a great promoter more than anything. People will remember it is out there. I also think the success of the White Lion (which really is under-promoted) bears this out. Give people a great product in a comfortable environment and it really doesn't matter where it's located.
I say it will be another ATM machine for Nelson.
Foolish......!!!!
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 23, 2012, 08:13:49 PM
I wish him luck. At less than half the distance and about half the time to get there, I am more likely to go to 71st and Yale for a beer and burger than the downtown location. I hope he can replicate the atmosphere of the downtown location.
I don't see anything in the south replicate the authenticity of the downtown location. Count me as being not a fan of everything unique in downtown or even midtown catering to the suburban crowd. Let them have Chilis and Bennigans.
People who want exposed brick walls and creaky floors still have the option of going downtown. For those who simply want to choose from hundreds of beers and pub grub without driving downtown will love the southie location.
This thread needs source that this is even happening.
Quote from: BKDotCom on December 24, 2012, 09:37:38 AM
This thread needs source that this is even happening.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=53&articleid=20121222_53_E1_CUTLIN736761&r=582
Quote from: DowntownDan on December 24, 2012, 08:41:03 AM
Let them have Chilis and Bennigans.
I don't ever remember being in a Bennigans. I may have been in a Chilis for a business lunch at least 20 years ago. I could walk to the Chilis on Memorial, just south of 111th, but I haven't been there.
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 24, 2012, 10:50:06 AM
I may have been in a Chilis for a business lunch at least 20 years ago. I could walk to the Chilis on Memorial, just south of 111th, but I haven't been there.
Go in. My wife's sister Tasha is the General Manager. They have some really good menu items.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on December 24, 2012, 11:09:56 AM
Go in. My wife's sister Tasha is the General Manager. They have some really good menu items.
Thanks for the info. I rarely go to restaurants locally though.
My main reason to go to a McNellies is to try a new beer without having to commit to a 6-pack or large bottle. Most of the really interesting beers are too expensive for the mix-a-6pack at the liquor stores. I may or (more likely) may not get some thing else eat with the beer.
This was a build to suit building by Hal Smith for Pearl's which focused on fish. It failed. But Hal still has Charleston's and Mahogany's. Larry Zankel relocated there from 51st but passed away leaving the door open for a qualified buyer. There are few bar/restaurants in the area that can compete with McNellies. This should be a big success from a real estate investment. This has the best demographics in town. And the operator has the best marketing and service ability in Tulsa. Hopefully, they'll rotate live music through there at night.
This isn't the only new restaurant going in on the NW corner of this intersection. Expect two more restaurants, one Tulsa owned and one OKC based, to be announced for this area soon. The building renderings are very interesting. I believe all three have the chance to be very successful as they'll cater to different times and crowds.
Quote from: Teatownclown on December 24, 2012, 12:01:25 PM
This was a build to suit building by Hal Smith for Pearl's which focused on fish. It failed. But Hal still has Charleston's and Mahogany's. Larry Zankel relocated there from 51st but passed away leaving the door open for a qualified buyer. There are few bar/restaurants in the area that can compete with McNellies. This should be a big success from a real estate investment. This has the best demographics in town. And the operator has the best marketing and service ability in Tulsa. Hopefully, they'll rotate live music through there at night.
I recall this building was oringially a chain steakhouse in the late 1990s, but folded quickly. It was later Pearls.
Quote from: DTowner on January 02, 2013, 01:51:55 PM
I recall this building was oringially a chain steakhouse in the late 1990s, but folded quickly. It was later Pearls.
It's been at least 4 things. It's hard to know exactly how many since it can't be seen from the road.
UTW mentions a planned Yokozuna south (in the Eliot Nelson's Hot 100 blurb)
anyone know where?
91st & Yale.
Quote from: rdj on January 03, 2013, 04:44:48 PM
91st & Yale.
A Yokozuna and a Keo at the same intersection?
Quote from: Townsend on January 03, 2013, 04:52:25 PM
A Yokozuna and a Keo at the same intersection?
The Yoke will be on the s/w corner where Whole Foods is going. Keo's is going in behind QT on Yale the N/E corner. Ri Le's is on the s/e corner.
Diversity is the way out south!
Ri Le might be the best of all three!
Quote from: Teatownclown on January 03, 2013, 05:23:07 PM
The Yoke will be on the s/w corner where Whole Foods is going. Keo's is going in behind QT on Yale the N/E corner. Ri Le's is on the s/e corner.
Diversity is the way out south!
I've seen the signs for Keo. Which structure will Yokozuna occupy?
Quote from: Townsend on January 04, 2013, 09:25:41 AM
I've seen the signs for Keo. Which structure will Yokozuna occupy?
Your garage.
Quote from: Townsend on January 04, 2013, 09:25:41 AM
I've seen the signs for Keo. Which structure will Yokozuna occupy?
Next to Whole Foods on the SW corner.
Quote from: Gaspar on January 07, 2013, 01:57:28 PM
Next to Whole Foods on the SW corner.
South end of the lot, West, or the the corner structure?
Edited to add that I'm not sure which structure the Whole Foods will occupy. I understood which part of the intersection.
Quote from: Townsend on January 07, 2013, 02:03:13 PM
South end of the lot, West, or the the corner structure?
Edited to add that I'm not sure which structure the Whole Foods will occupy. I understood which part of the intersection.
Not sure, but I pulled the PUD (can't believe I just said that) on it, and the out-building on the corner seems to be the right SqFt. I'm sure they have divided the other structures, so it could go towards the South I suppose, but I'm willing to bet it's that front building. The red arrow is the Whole Foods.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8368/8359456428_4116a59d0d_o.jpg)
Quote from: DTowner on January 02, 2013, 01:51:55 PM
I recall this building was oringially a chain steakhouse in the late 1990s, but folded quickly. It was later Pearls.
Valverde Ranch Steakhouse. It was actually pretty good.
I hate to say it because I love McNellie's, but I hope they can make it there. This is one of those doomed locations that lacks visibility and quickly declines in the mind of the consumer because of that. The location where SoCo's is/was at 81st and Harvard is another such spot. Nothing, no matter what the business model, can survive there. McNellies will need to push this spot with events and social media constantly to develop any top-of-mind awareness. It would be great if they could get some large signage near the street. Perhaps a blinking neon arrow.
Quote from: Gaspar on January 08, 2013, 08:04:01 AM
I hate to say it because I love McNellie's, but I hope they can make it there. This is one of those doomed locations that lacks visibility and quickly declines in the mind of the consumer because of that. The location where SoCo's is/was at 81st and Harvard is another such spot. Nothing, no matter what the business model, can survive there. McNellies will need to push this spot with events and social media constantly to develop any top-of-mind awareness. It would be great if they could get some large signage near the street. Perhaps a blinking neon arrow.
Furr's Cafeteria actually thrived in the SoCo location for at least 10-15 years that I can remember.
Quote from: Gaspar on January 08, 2013, 08:04:01 AM
I hate to say it because I love McNellie's, but I hope they can make it there. This is one of those doomed locations that lacks visibility and quickly declines in the mind of the consumer because of that. The location where SoCo's is/was at 81st and Harvard is another such spot. Nothing, no matter what the business model, can survive there. McNellies will need to push this spot with events and social media constantly to develop any top-of-mind awareness. It would be great if they could get some large signage near the street. Perhaps a blinking neon arrow.
I disagree. McNellie's is its own draw. White Lion seems to be doing fine. Rib crib at 81st and Yale seems to be fine. If it's set up anything like the downtown location, I believe it'll do fine.
As far as "large signage"? No.
Quote from: Townsend on January 08, 2013, 08:53:12 AM
I disagree. McNellie's is its own draw. White Lion seems to be doing fine. Rib crib at 81st and Yale seems to be fine. If it's set up anything like the downtown location, I believe it'll do fine.
As far as "large signage"? No.
I hope so. Love me some McNellie's.
McNellie's will do just fine there. Suture's does great business for such a sh!t hole. Besides, south of I44 there are so few good places for sports, music, food, and beer. They will fill a huge void. Baker Street has had colossal volume and it really bites along with all those other mediocre venues along 71st and along Memorial. I would think the disposable income numbers in this location trounce those of Northside consumers.
Quote from: Teatownclown on January 08, 2013, 10:44:36 AM
McNellie's will do just fine there. Suture's does great business for such a sh!t hole. Besides, south of I44 there are so few good places for sports, music, food, and beer. They will fill a huge void. Baker Street has had colossal volume and it really bites along with all those other mediocre venues along 71st and along Memorial. I would think the disposable income numbers in this location trounce those of Northside consumers.
Getting tired of Night Trips, eh?
Einstein Bagel also coming to this corner of paradise.