Chavez Suffers Surgery Complicationshttp://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/12/13/chavez-suffers-surgery-complications.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/12/13/chavez-suffers-surgery-complications.html)
Quoteenezuelan leader Hugo Chavez might have promised too much with his "21st Century Socialism" project that won him reelection two months ago. On Thursday, the ailing leader suffered from bleeding after a six-hour surgery, which was the fourth operation he's undergone in the last year to fight a cancer diagnosis. "This process of recovery will take time because of the complexity of the operation," Information Minister Ernesto Villegas said. "The patient is in a progressive and favorable recovery of normal vital signs." Another ominous sign came on Saturday, when Chavez appointed an heir apparent—just in case. Venezuelans fearing the worst have organized prayer vigils for Chavez's health.
The "heir apparent" caught my attention.
Gaspar and Guido made fun of Obama's meeting in 2009 with Chavez. Little did they know POTUS put the voodoo on him!
Quote from: Townsend on December 13, 2012, 05:03:56 PM
Chavez Suffers Surgery Complications
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/12/13/chavez-suffers-surgery-complications.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/12/13/chavez-suffers-surgery-complications.html)
The "heir apparent" caught my attention.
What are the odds the "heir apparent's" initials are SP?
Quote from: Conan71 on December 13, 2012, 08:58:23 PM
What are the odds the "heir apparent's" initials are SP?
Don't rip on Sarah Palin now...:)
Quote from: guido911 on December 13, 2012, 09:00:49 PM
Don't rip on Sarah Palin now...:)
That might work. Drill baby, drill.
Quote from: Townsend on December 13, 2012, 09:32:13 PM
That might work. Drill baby, drill.
I wonder if Todd Palin has ever had that screamed into his ear.
Sorry, the pain meds made me do that...
Quote from: Conan71 on December 15, 2012, 10:48:56 AM
Sorry, the pain meds made me do that...
Enjoy them while they last. ;D
Disputes Brewing Over Hugo Chavez's Inaugurationhttp://bigstory.ap.org/article/disputes-brewing-over-hugo-chavezs-inauguration (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/disputes-brewing-over-hugo-chavezs-inauguration)
QuoteCARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — President Hugo Chavez is due to be sworn in for a new term in less than a week and his closest allies still aren't saying what they plan to do if the ailing leader is unable to return from a Cuban hospital to take the oath of office.
Chavez hasn't been seen or heard from since his Dec. 11 cancer surgery, and speculation has grown that his illness could be reaching its final stages. The president's elder brother Adan joined a parade of visitors to Havana this week, while the vice president apparently delayed plans to return home after at least two bedside visits with Chavez. The government has provided few details but describes Chavez's condition as "delicate."
His health crisis has raised contentious questions ahead of the swearing-in set for Jan. 10, including whether the inauguration could legally be postponed, whether Supreme Court justices might travel to Havana to administer the oath of office, and, most of all, what will happen if Chavez can't begin his new term.
The main fault lines run between Chavez's backers and opponents.
But while the president's allies so far appear united, analysts have speculated that differences might emerge between factions led by Nicolas Maduro, Chavez's chosen successor and vice president, and Diosdado Cabello, the president of the National Assembly, who is thought to wield power within the military and who would be in line to temporarily assume the presidency until a new election can be held.
Cabello has dismissed rumors of any discord within the socialist party and issued a Twitter message Wednesday asserting "the unbreakable will of revolutionary unity."
"We Chavistas are very clear on what we will do," he said in another message, telling the opposition it should "take care of what you all will do."
But as of Thursday, the plans of Chavez's allies remained a mystery.
The Venezuelan Constitution says the presidential oath should be taken Jan. 10 before the National Assembly, and officials have raised the possibility that Chavez might not be well enough to do that, without saying what will happen if he can't.
Chavez said before his fourth cancer-related operation that if his illness prevented him from remaining president, Maduro should finish his current term and be his party's candidate to replace him in a new election.
The constitution says that if a president or president-elect dies or is declared unable to continue in office, presidential powers should be held temporarily by the president of the National Assembly, who is now Cabello. It says a new presidential vote should be held within 30 days.
Opposition leaders have argued that Chavez, who was re-elected to a six-year term in October, seems no longer fit to continue as president and have demanded that a new election be held within 30 days if he isn't in Caracas on inauguration day.
"On Jan. 10 the current presidential term ends and another begins," opposition leader Ramon Guillermo Aveledo said Wednesday. "If the president-elect can't attend the swearing-in for reasons related to his health ... the president of the National Assembly should temporarily take charge of the presidency."
But some of Chavez's close confidants dismiss the view that the inauguration date is a hard deadline, saying Chavez could be given more time to recover from his surgery if necessary.
Cabello noted last month that the constitution says if a president is unable to be sworn in by the legislature, he may be sworn in by Supreme Court justices, who were appointed by the mostly pro-Chavez legislature.
"When? It doesn't say. Where? It doesn't say where," Cabello recently told a crowd of government supporters. His indication that the constitution does not specify where a president-elect should be sworn in by the Supreme Court has led to speculation that justices could travel to Cuba for the ceremony.
Opposition leaders chafe at the suggestion that Chavez could take office from a foreign country, saying the president made it clear before he left for the operation that his health was deteriorating by designating Maduro as his successor.
Aristobulo Isturiz, a state governor and leader of Chavez's United Socialist Party of Venezuela, said Thursday that if Chavez's swearing-in isn't held Jan. 10, it will be up to the Supreme Court to determine the place and date of the ceremony.
"The president has a right to recover," Isturiz said in remarks published by the state-run Venezuelan News Agency.
More than three weeks after Chavez's cancer surgery, government officials have been providing vague and shifting updates on his condition. Maduro announced over the weekend that Chavez had suffered complications due to a respiratory infection and was in "delicate" condition.
Caracas Mayor Antonio Ledezma, an opposition politician, proposed that a commission travel to Cuba to determine the state of Chavez's health. He said the delegation should be made up of doctors, lawmakers and other officials such as state governors, including opposition leader Henrique Capriles.
"I'm not asking for permission to go to Cuba. I think it's our right to go there and see what's going on," Ledezma said Thursday in comments reported by the television channel Globovision. "Enough mysteries. Venezuela isn't a colony of Cuba."
Some of the brewing disagreements could begin to be aired Saturday, when the National Assembly, which is controlled by a pro-Chavez majority, convenes to select legislative leaders. That session will be held just five days before the scheduled inauguration day.
Law professor Vicente Gonzalez de la Vega agrees with Cabello's view that the constitution is ambiguous regarding the time and place of a swearing-in ceremony before the Supreme Court.
Supreme Court President Luisa Estella Morales said following Cabello's proposal last month that justices could rule on whether it's constitutional to postpone the date of the swearing-in ceremony. The issue has not yet been brought before the court, but Morales said Dec. 20 that the court could take up such issues if asked and would have the final word.
The constitutional conundrum facing the country has additional complexities, said Gonzalez, a constitutional scholar and professor at the Central University of Venezuela.
Before Chavez's inauguration date could be postponed, Gonzalez said, lawmakers would have to approve a 90-day extension of Chavez's "temporary absence" granted for his trip to Cuba for surgery. The president of the National Assembly would then be sworn in as an interim president for 90 days, Gonzalez said.
In order for that to occur, though, Gonzalez said the Supreme Court would need to appoint a panel of doctors to examine Chavez to determine whether his health could improve and whether he might be capable of continuing his duties as president.
"If a temporary absence is going to be declared, the medical team will have to determine that it's not about an absolute absence: That is to say that the president has the possibility of recuperating," Gonzalez said.
Information Minister Ernesto Villegas released a letter Thursday saying the opposition-aligned television channel Globovision had erroneously referred to Maduro as the "acting president" and calling for a correction. Villegas said in Wednesday's letter to station Vice President Maria Fernanda Flores that he wanted to remind her "Hugo Chavez is the only president" in office.
Aveledo reiterated the opposition's demand for the government to provide a full medical report.
He said sending a medical team to Cuba to assess Chavez's condition would be an option, if necessary. In the meantime, he said, "There are two keys here to facing this and any situation, which are the truth and the constitution."
Venezuela's Chavez clings to life, vice president sayshttp://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/28/17133991-venezuelas-chavez-clings-to-life-vice-president-says?lite (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/28/17133991-venezuelas-chavez-clings-to-life-vice-president-says?lite)
QuoteVenezuelan President Hugo Chavez is clinging to life, according to the country's vice president.
"The commander is fighting for his health, for his life," Nicolas Madura said on national TV Thursday.
The statement comes 10 days after Chavez returned to Venezuela from Cuba where he had received two months of treatment for his most recent bout with cancer. It was the clearest public indication to date of the severity of the president's condition.
Upon his return to his home country, Chavez was transported to a hospital in the nation's capital, Caracas.
Madura's statement on Thursday contradicted earlier press reports that the populist leader had died but signaled that the prognosis was grim.
Chavez disappeared from the public eye in December to be treated for cancer, but Venezuelans have not been informed of what type of cancer he suffers from, nor the severity. The president was too ill to attend his inauguration in January.
The president has made repeated trips to Cuba for treatment since 2011 and had not apparently cultivated a protégé to succeed him, sparking criticism that he had created a power vacuum.
The former paratrooper, who has been in power since 1999, has been a thorn in the side of Washington, espousing leftist and anti-American policies, and maintaining close ties with Havana.
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I thought he DID have a protege?
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Quote from: Conan71 on February 28, 2013, 03:57:55 PM
I thought he DID have a protege?
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What is he doing with that hand?
Quote from: guido911 on February 28, 2013, 05:42:52 PM
What is he doing with that hand?
Someone stole his blunt about 3 minutes earlier and he hadn't time to react at the time the picture was taken.... who says marijuana isn't good for ya...???
Quote from: Conan71 on December 15, 2012, 10:48:56 AM
I wonder if Todd Palin has ever had that screamed into his ear.
Sorry, the pain meds made me do that...
No screaming. Remember the scene in M*A*S*H where Donald Sutherland is making noises that he thinks Hot Lips might make....
Dude sure takes a long time to shuffle.
Quote from: Gaspar on March 01, 2013, 07:41:34 AM
Dude sure takes a long time to shuffle.
Cancer isn't a gunshot.
WSJ tweet:
Breaking: Venezuela's Hugo Chavez has died, Vice President Nicolas Maduro reports on state TV
Quote from: Townsend on March 05, 2013, 04:05:34 PM
WSJ tweet:
Breaking: Venezuela's Hugo Chavez has died, Vice President Nicolas Maduro reports on state TV
More interested in your avatar than the evil clown.
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Quote from: Gaspar on March 05, 2013, 04:11:17 PM
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Well Gassie, it was the drone king Obama himself who dosed Chavez back when you and Guido were blasting POTUS for even shaking his hand back in 2009.
You are clueless....
With all the "Looks back" on Twitter, I think most news agencies have prepared for his death for some time.
per ABC news:
QuoteVenezuela deploys army and police in wake of president Hugo Chavez's death "to accompany and protect our people".
Not that I'm mucho-paranoid but a reason to have a population with firearms.
Quote from: Townsend on March 05, 2013, 04:51:04 PM
per ABC news:
Not that I'm mucho-paranoid but a reason to have a population with firearms.
That's because according to The National Electoral Council of Venezuela "Venezuela's constitutional and legislative basis for democracy is exceptional, innovative, and progressive. The constitution puts significant emphasis on individual rights and societal plurality, cooperation, and respect."
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Has anyone checked on Sean Penn or Cindy Sheehan?
Quote from: guido911 on March 05, 2013, 05:20:04 PM
Has anyone checked on Sean Penn or Cindy Sheehan?
We couldn't be that lucky to lose all 3 in one day could we....???
Quote from: guido911 on March 05, 2013, 04:09:23 PM
More interested in your avatar than the evil clown.
You just now noticed that?? Whew! You are slippin', dude!
Quote from: Breadburner on March 05, 2013, 05:24:16 PM
We couldn't be that lucky to lose all 3 in one day could we....???
Cheering for people to die?
Stay classy breadburner.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on March 05, 2013, 06:13:48 PM
You just now noticed that?? Whew! You are slippin', dude!
I know. I'm pretty pathetic sometimes.
Quote from: Townsend on March 05, 2013, 04:51:04 PM
per ABC news:
Not that I'm mucho-paranoid but a reason to have a population with firearms.
I was sitting in the airport in a little town called El Tigre a couple years ago (Venezuela) when a small turboprop landed and drove right up to the doors where passengers went out to walk to the planes. Small town airport. Literally right up to the doors - not out on the tarmac where the other planes parked - they were no more than about 20 feet from the door. The door opened and about 15 or so soldiers got out, came into the waiting room, looked around, then kind of wandered around for a few minutes. About then, a bus came up to the road side of the building, they all went out, got on the bus and drove off. All had their AK-47s strapped around their neck in that fashion you see where it is hanging in front, but easily moved to a firing position.
Us two gringos got extra attention.
No matter who is in charge, the military still has a very visible presence.
Jimmy Carter is upset.
http://www.cartercenter.org/news/pr/hugo-chavez-030513.html
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Quote from: RecycleMichael on March 05, 2013, 06:16:58 PM
Cheering for people to die?
Stay classy breadburner.
Never as classy as you.....
For those of you that need an image whenever you read a post from @ssclown, here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZVrz6EUtOg
Quote from: guido911 on March 05, 2013, 07:42:27 PM
For those of you that need an image whenever you read a post from @ssclown, here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZVrz6EUtOg
Nothing quite like a good poo flinging fart.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 05, 2013, 07:52:18 PM
Nothing quite like a good poo flinging fart.
But I nailed it; right?
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This was when the deed was done.
Advocate for the poor?
http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/21527668/ex-us-rep-joe-kennedy-mourns-death-of-chavez
Or a major drug dealer? Analyst estimates Chávez's family fortune at around $2 billion.
Quote from: Teatownclown on March 05, 2013, 08:55:16 PM
Or a major drug dealer? Analyst estimates Chávez's family fortune at around $2 billion.
That would make he and Kennedy birds of a feather in accumulating their wealth.
Well, Sean Penn weighs in...
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hugo-chavez-dead-sean-penn-426205
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It seems our drone mounted cancer bombs work!
Quotehttp://gawker.com/5988851/venezuela-chavez-was-killed-by-cancer-attack-by-enemies-of-the-fatherland
Venezuela: Chávez Was Killed by Cancer 'Attack' by 'Enemies of the Fatherland'
Hours before the death of Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez, Vice President Nicolás Maduro ejected two U.S. diplomats from the country, accusing them of plotting to "destabilize" Venezuela and implying that the U.S. had infected Chávez with cancer. "We have no doubt," Maduro said in a television address, that a scientific commission would find "that commander Chávez was attacked with this illness," comparing Chávez to Palestinian Yasser Arafat, whom Maduro suggested was also poisoned. The removed diplomats, U.S. Air Force attaché Col. David Delmonaco and another, unnamed military official, had, Maduro claimed, attempted to recruit members of the Venezuelan military into an unspecified plot against Venezuela. U.S. officials scoffed at the claims, and most observers understood Maduro's accusations against "imperialists" to be a fairly standard base-rallying move that Chávez himself had frequently resorted to in the past. Conspiracy theorists, nevertheless, turned to Venezuelan lawyer and commentator Eva Golinger, who claimed in an interview with Russia Today—the media wing of the administration of longtime Chávez ally Vladimir Putin—that there's evidence that the E.U. had had infected the president with cancer. She declined to present or describe this evidence. The U.S. has indicated it will likely ask some Venezuelan diplomats to leave the country over the next few days in response. Chávez's funeral is on Friday; Venezuela will hold elections in 30 days.
Obama....more hits than Motown!
Right again?
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Quote from: Townsend on March 06, 2013, 04:30:44 PM
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According to the oilies I lunched with today, they are saying Uncle Hugo's replacement will make the newly deceased dictator look like a Reagan Conservative.
Quote from: Townsend on March 06, 2013, 04:30:44 PM
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You really don't know anything at all about Chavez OR Venezuela, do you?? Goes again to that sense of history that is missing so badly in American life.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 06, 2013, 05:39:52 PM
According to the oilies I lunched with today, they are saying Uncle Hugo's replacement will make the newly deceased dictator look like a Reagan Conservative.
Probably true. Chavez was a "voice of reason" in Venezuelan politics... an amazing concept, isn't it? Not that he was at all moderate...just more than any previous or potentially future President there. And all that does is point out how extreme right wing the US installed puppets were, and how extreme left this next guy is likely to be...
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on March 06, 2013, 07:02:40 PM
You really don't know anything at all about Chavez OR Venezuela, do you?? Goes again to that sense of history that is missing so badly in American life.
Hold on. Let me go find that rat's exit that I can give about your thoughts on the joke I posted.
Quote from: Townsend on March 06, 2013, 11:15:20 PM
Hold on. Let me go find that rat's exit that I can give about your thoughts on the joke I posted.
Joke...identical to the 'serious' propositions the Bushy's pushed for so many years. Like "regime change".... just kill him off and they will have democracy again...like they ever had it before Chavez....not!