"When asked where folks should turn for information if they have no power, a FEMA worker said, "Well, those people who have a laptop with a little battery life on it can try that way."
According to Politico this morning. The White House and FEMA have done nothing to provide information on disaster services beyond providing an internet address for FEMA with limited information. I guess that's fine if you have power and internet access. What about all of those people with Obamaphones?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83024.html?hp=l10
Quote from: Gaspar on October 30, 2012, 12:48:31 PM
"When asked where folks should turn for information if they have no power, a FEMA worker said, "Well, those people who have a laptop with a little battery life on it can try that way."
According to Politico this morning. The White House and FEMA have done nothing to provide information on disaster services beyond providing an internet address for FEMA with limited information. I guess that's fine if you have power and internet access. What about all of those people with Obamaphones?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83024.html?hp=l10
The ODS gets exponentially larger the closer to Nov 6th we get.
Quote from: Gaspar on October 30, 2012, 12:48:31 PM
"When asked where folks should turn for information if they have no power, a FEMA worker said, "Well, those people who have a laptop with a little battery life on it can try that way."
According to Politico this morning. The White House and FEMA have done nothing to provide information on disaster services beyond providing an internet address for FEMA with limited information. I guess that's fine if you have power and internet access. What about all of those people with Obamaphones?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83024.html?hp=l10
Good thing Romney is going to disband FEMA since they are so inept.
Quote from: carltonplace on October 30, 2012, 01:05:01 PM
Good thing Romney is going to disband FEMA since they are so inept.
It seems that the individual state responses are both quicker and far more appropriate. Red Cross is always first on the scene. FEMA is only mildly efficient in distributing funds.
Romney may be on the right track. ;)
An unnamed FEMA worker says something and you pick out that quote?
By the way, the politico story has already dropped that line from the story.
Once again, Gaspar pulls a, well, a Gaspar.
Congratulations Gaspar. You've proved once again that you are a Gaspar.
Ladies and gentlemen, the 3 o'clock will be exactly the same as the 12 o'clock.
Heck of a job Brownie.
The lady named Kim Fuller quoted in the story is from Tulsa. She defended Obama and FEMA response.
She is very involved in republican politics and worked for years as a travel event staffer for Dick Cheney when he was vice-president.
She was quoted as a disaster expert and knows what she is talking about.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 30, 2012, 01:26:53 PM
An unnamed FEMA worker says something and you pick out that quote?
By the way, the politico story has already dropped that line from the story.
Here is the full quote:
"A call to FEMA's news desk, however, found even they didn't have any non-Internet information readily available beyond suggestions that people call 911 in an emergency. When asked where folks should turn for information if they have no power, a FEMA worker said, "Well, those people who have a laptop with a little battery life on it can try that way. Otherwise, you're right."
I'm just reporting what they are reporting.
Even politico had the sense to take that out of the story.
You didn't care, you wanted to bash Obama and sense wouldn't stand in your way.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 30, 2012, 01:47:16 PM
Even politico had the sense to take that out of the story.
You didn't care, you wanted to bash Obama and sense wouldn't stand in your way.
He screamed out "Kids! I found something!" They rolled their eyes and he scrambled to post it.
Moments later he left his kitchen table to change his depends. There was chaffing.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 30, 2012, 01:47:16 PM
Even politico had the sense to take that out of the story.
You didn't care, you wanted to bash Obama and sense wouldn't stand in your way.
They didn't take it out of the story. It's still there.
WSJ tweet:
QuoteWhite House: Obama travel to New Jersey, and join Gov. Chris Christie in viewing storm damage.
I guess Christie does see Romney as someone in his way for 2016.
I'm going to guess most people living in the path are glad there will be federal help.
Oops
QuoteCORRECTION: An earlier version of this story inaccurately described a FEMA worker as a spokeswoman for the agency.
Quote from: Townsend on October 30, 2012, 02:02:12 PM
Oops
I never claimed it was a Spokesperson for the agency now did I?
Quote from: Gaspar on October 30, 2012, 02:06:21 PM
I never claimed it was a Spokesperson for the agency now did I?
Just the inaccurate story you quoted.
Nothing to see here folks. Another false alarm.
Shenanigans.
Quote from: Townsend on October 30, 2012, 02:12:29 PM
Just the inaccurate story you quoted.
Nothing to see here folks. Another false alarm.
Shenanigans.
President Barack Obama has again failed as president by not stopping Hurricane Sandy from reaching the US mainland. This further proves his weakness as president. He also called it a storm and not a hurricane! How long will it be before he admits that it is a hurricane! Dammit he KNOWS its a hurricane!
Quote from: Teatownclown on October 30, 2012, 02:24:49 PM
President Barack Obama has again failed as president by not stopping Hurricane Sandy from reaching the US mainland. This further proves his weakness as president. He also called it a storm and not a hurricane! How long will it be before he admits that it is a hurricane! Dammit he KNOWS its a hurricane!
It was started by an online weather video posted by NOAA.
Fugate: Obama's fast emergency declarations 'extraordinary'http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83070.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83070.html)
QuotePresident Barack Obama's overnight major emergency disaster declarations for New York and New Jersey were "extraordinary," Federal Emergency Management Agency Administrator Craig Fugate said Tuesday.
After late-night conversations with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Obama made a verbal declaration to help assist individuals in the two states hardest hit by the storm. "This is extraordinary in that generally we do more thorough assessments, and [that] often times will take longer," Fugate said. "But because of the extent of the damage, it was evident to the president in the conversations with the governors that he would do this as a verbal declaration."
"In this administration, we've only done this once before, and that was when American Samoa was hit with a tsunami," Fugate added.
Fugate has sat on the other side of the state-federal relationship, as the top emergency responder for hurricane-ravaged Florida under former Govs. Jeb Bush and Charlie Crist.
He said the president "always has the authority" to make a verbal declaration, and after speaking with the two states' governors, "it warranted those requests." Fugate said governors in other states are going to do more wide-ranging assessments before asking for major declarations.
Fugate said FEMA does not try to estimate the number of people killed nationwide by the storm, but he said he has seen unconfirmed death totals as high as 30 nationwide. He said he "wouldn't even begin to guess" how many people had been made homeless, or how many federal personnel were deployed across the East Coast to assist in coordinating rescue efforts with local personnel. Fugate also declined to compare the storm to any previous U.S. disasters.
Asked about whether future U.S. leaders might try to alter FEMA's funding levels and how that might affect disaster responses, Fugate said he was concentrating on the task at hand. "I live in the real world, not the future world," he said.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83070.html#ixzz2AoVrzGVM
Charlotte might as well write something about the President in her web. He's this close to a ticker tape parade.
Quote from: Townsend on October 30, 2012, 02:52:42 PM
Fugate: Obama's fast emergency declarations 'extraordinary'
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83070.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83070.html)
Charlotte might as well write something about the President in her web. He's this close to a ticker tape parade.
And along those lines "Brownie" chimes in:
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/10/michael_brown_fema_obama_hurricane_sandy.php
This guy should go back to tending Arabians...
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I predicted yesterday on another forum that we wouldn't see the end of today before the Republicans started trying to make political hay out of this. A little bit of my heart died when the Politico story went live, as I had figured they would at least wait until first light.
Chris Christie has something he would like to say to you, Gassy:
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Quote from: Hoss on October 30, 2012, 03:07:24 PM
And along those lines "Brownie" chimes in:
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/10/michael_brown_fema_obama_hurricane_sandy.php
This guy should go back to tending Arabians...
No kidding... loved this quote... "
One thing he's gonna be asked is, why did he jump on this so quickly and go back to D.C. so quickly when in...Benghazi, he went to Las Vegas?" Brown says. "
Why was this so quick?... At some point, somebody's going to ask that question.... This is like the inverse of Benghazi." --
Michael BrownWow. Just wow. The poster child for "partisan hack political appointment" thinks he has answers and advice...
How Reliable Is Brown's Resume?By DAREN FONDA AND RITA HEALY Thursday, Sept. 08, 2005http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1103003,00.html
QuoteBrown did do a good job at his humble position, however, according to his boss. "Yes. Mike Brown worked for me. He was my administrative assistant. He was a student at Central State University," recalls former city manager Bill Dashner. "Mike used to handle a lot of details. Every now and again I'd ask him to write me a speech. He was very loyal. He was always on time. He always had on a suit and a starched white shirt."
Give 'em heck, Brownie!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCBxI9yKLgw
When I was a lad I served a term
As office boy to an attorney's firm
I cleaned the windows and I swept the floor
And I polished up the handle of the big front door
I polished up that handle so carefully
That now I am the Ruler of the Queen's Navy
As office boy I made such a mark
That they gave me the post of a junior clerk
I served the writs with a smile so bland
And I copied all the letters in a big round hand
I copied all the letters in a hand so free
That now I am the Ruler of the Queen's Navy
In serving writs I made such a name
That an articled clerk I soon became
I wore clean collars and a brand-new suit
For the Pass Examination at the Institute
And that Pass Examination did so well for me
That now I am the Ruler of the Queen's Navy
Of legal knowledge I acquired such a grip
That they took me into the partnership
And that junior partnership I ween
Was the only ship that I ever had seen
But that kind of ship so suited me
That now I am the Ruler of the Queen's Navy
I grew so rich that I was sent
By a pocket borough into Parliament
I always voted at my Party's call
And I never thought of thinking for myself at all
I thought so little, they rewarded me
By making me the Ruler of the Queen's Navy
Now, landsmen all, whoever you may be
If you want to rise to the top of the tree
If your soul isn't fettered to an office stool
Be careful to be guided by this golden rule
Stick close to your desks and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of the Queen's Navy
Romney's FEMA quotes are coming back to haunt him. At least it's coming up on my Left-of-Fox news shows.
Sandy Underscores Debate Over Government's Rolehttp://kwgs.com/post/sandy-underscores-debate-over-governments-role (http://kwgs.com/post/sandy-underscores-debate-over-governments-role)
QuotePresident Obama offered thoughts and prayers Tuesday for all those who have been affected by Sandy. He also offered something more tangible: the full resources of the federal government.
"The most important message I have for them is that America's with you," he said. "We are standing behind you, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get back on your feet."
For Obama, the federal government is a critical vehicle for that kind of help. Republicans put more faith in local government, and even voluntary efforts.
On Tuesday in Ohio, Mitt Romney sponsored a canned food drive for storm victims and told a parable about the virtue of individual action. When he was in high school, Romney said, a small group of students managed the big task of cleaning up a trash-strewn football field, after each student was given responsibility for scouring one small section.
"And if everybody cleans their lane, why, we'll be able to get the job done," he said. "And so today we're cleaning one lane, if you will. We're able to gather some goods for some people that are in our lane. We're going to help them."
Romney did not suggest that this kind of voluntary effort alone is a substitute for the government. But during a Republican primary debate last year, he did argue that disaster relief should be as decentralized as possible.
"Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction," he said at the time. "And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that's even better."
State disaster officials have sometimes clashed with the federal government, though that's been less of a problem in recent years. Unlike his predecessor, President George W. Bush, Obama named a disaster professional to head the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
FEMA director Craig Fugate understands the states' perspective — he used to run Florida's emergency agency. Obama has promised to keep red tape from getting in the way of recovery.
"I told the mayors and the governors if they're getting 'no' for an answer somewhere in the federal government, they can call me personally at the White House," the president said.
So far, the federal government seems to be delivering. Republican Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey had nothing but praise for the federal response when he spoke Tuesday on Good Morning America.
"I have to say, the administration — the president himself and FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate have been outstanding with us so far," Christie said. "And I want to thank the president personally for his personal attention to this."
New Jersey and most of the states hit hard by the storm were already reliably Democratic in the presidential race, but that's not true of disasters generally. Texas leads the nation in federal disaster declarations, with deep-red Oklahoma not far behind.
Even so, for Republicans bent on reducing federal spending, the FEMA budget remains an attractive target. When Romney was asked directly during that same GOP debate last year if disaster relief should be on the chopping block, here's what he said:
"We should take all of what we're doing at the federal level and say, what are the things we're doing that we don't have to do? And those things we've got to stop doing. Because we're borrowing $1.6 trillion more this year than we're taking in. ... We cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids."
That's an inconvenient comment in light of this week's storm. Romney ignored reporters' questions about FEMA funding at Tuesday's canned food drive.
President Obama will continue to make the case for an active federal role Wednesday, not at a campaign rally, but by touring hard-hit New Jersey.
Oklahoma's tornado bait towns would be screwed.
Somebody shouted "No more questions about Romney!" into someone's earpiece.
Sen. Inhofe needs to fly in to Jersey and tell those people to stop making this storm stuff up.
Im sure there's a street somewhere clear enough to land on. ;D
I think Christie and Obama are having an affair the way they're talking about each other.
Just read that some workers from Alabama got punted out of New Jersey because they were not union. Narrows my selection down for which states get my financial support.
On a related note, just got word some of my kin in New York lost their home to flooding. "Yes", I am going to help them out. ::)
Anyone else have family in that mess?
Quote from: guido911 on November 01, 2012, 11:36:50 PM
Just read that some workers from Alabama got punted out of New Jersey because they were not union. Narrows my selection down for which states get my financial support.
On a related note, just got word some of my kin in New York lost their home to flooding. "Yes", I am going to help them out. ::)
Anyone else have family in that mess?
Sister-in-law lives north of Princeton was fortunate and only lost four large trees and got some water in the basement no house damage. She managed to get a generator for the sump and a couple of things in the house. Biggest problem was getting back to work on Wednesday with all of the traffic issues. Was really concerned because her husband passed away earlier this year, and her son lives in Los Angeles.
Quote from: guido911 on November 01, 2012, 11:36:50 PM
"Yes", I am going to help them out. ::)
Good?
My family's upstate so they're all good.
Quote from: nathanm on October 31, 2012, 03:43:40 PM
I think Christie and Obama are having an affair the way they're talking about each other.
Don't underestimate the impact of that gesture.
Some in the GOP would love for the president to fail with disaster recovery.
Christie may have wised up and decided he didn't want to sacrifice his constituent's well-being just so his party could make a point.
Quote from: patric on November 02, 2012, 10:56:39 AM
Don't underestimate the impact of that gesture.
Some in the GOP would love for the president to fail with disaster recovery.
Christie may have wised up and decided he didn't want to sacrifice his constituent's well-being just so his party could make a point.
I like the theory that Christie knows it'd be easier to run in 2016 without a Republican already in office.
Quote from: guido911 on November 01, 2012, 11:36:50 PM
Just read that some workers from Alabama got punted out of New Jersey because they were not union. Narrows my selection down for which states get my financial support.
On a related note, just got word some of my kin in New York lost their home to flooding. "Yes", I am going to help them out. ::)
Anyone else have family in that mess?
My sister lives in northern New Jersey, and is still without power but suffered minimal damage to her house. My best friend lives in Asbury Park, NJ 3 blocks from the ocean (Anderson Cooper and CNN were broadcasting in front of his house), and had moderate damage to his property, and is still without power, no gas available, and the city has a 7pm curfew.
My parents and brother are in CT, and they just got power back yesterday, but thankfully no real damage to property. My niece in Brooklyn was supposed to evacuate but did not, and she never even lost power. A friend from high school is still missing since Monday- last seen in lower Manhattan just before the storm hit.
The NY Governor's office is denying the Alabama worker's union claim. I would wait for more info before making a judgement call on that one.
There is such an enormous area affected by this storm, and with the unbelievable amount of destruction it will take years to recover and the support of the entire country to get through this, regardless of political affiliations.
Quote from: guido911 on November 01, 2012, 11:36:50 PM
Just read that some workers from Alabama got punted out of New Jersey because they were not union. Narrows my selection down for which states get my financial support.
On a related note, just got word some of my kin in New York lost their home to flooding. "Yes", I am going to help them out. ::)
Anyone else have family in that mess?
Yep. A couple of people in Maryland - nowhere near as badly hurt, but some storm damage. Friend in Bronx (works in Maspeth - Queens) who have not heard from since.
Just as we didn't learn much from Katrina, we probably won't learn much from this one. Look at the lines for gas...they only knew this was coming for 3 or 4 days, but didn't fill up before hand??
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 02, 2012, 01:22:29 PM
Yep. A couple of people in Maryland - nowhere near as badly hurt, but some storm damage. Friend in Bronx (works in Maspeth - Queens) who have not heard from since.
Just as we didn't learn much from Katrina, we probably won't learn much from this one. Look at the lines for gas...they only knew this was coming for 3 or 4 days, but didn't fill up before hand??
Not trying to be callous here, as I have friends and family up there suffering through this, but you can only lead a horse to water.
That being said, both friends living on Long Island got about 50 gallons extra of gasoline before the storm got there. Mainly for the generator.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 02, 2012, 01:22:29 PM
Just as we didn't learn much from Katrina, we probably won't learn much from this one.
Other than that $2 billion(ish) surge barrier we built to protect New Orleans and the new pumps that are protected from high water, we learned nothing. Damn stimulus money, building useful things that have already paid for themselves in avoided flood damage.
Quote from: guido911 on November 01, 2012, 11:36:50 PM
Just read that some workers from Alabama got punted out of New Jersey because they were not union. Narrows my selection down for which states get my financial support.
The story is untrue. Even FoxNews has changed their story. Six guys from Alabama just showed up without any paperwork and the utilities were asking them to fill out forms. One of the questions on the form asked about union membership.,
The Alabama boys just didn't get along with the New Jersey boys (what a surprise) so when asked to fill out forms, then refused, left and called home and whined to their local radio station.
Quote from: nathanm on November 02, 2012, 01:31:45 PM
Other than that $2 billion(ish) surge barrier we built to protect New Orleans and the new pumps that are protected from high water, we learned nothing. Damn stimulus money, building useful things that have already paid for themselves in avoided flood damage.
I was pointed more at the personal level - people didn't learn that when anyone who knows anything about it tells you to evacuate, then evacuate....
Third friend is WAY out at the far east end of Long Island, and I think will be ok, but haven't heard from him, either.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 02, 2012, 01:22:29 PM
Yep. A couple of people in Maryland - nowhere near as badly hurt, but some storm damage. Friend in Bronx (works in Maspeth - Queens) who have not heard from since.
Just as we didn't learn much from Katrina, we probably won't learn much from this one. Look at the lines for gas...they only knew this was coming for 3 or 4 days, but didn't fill up before hand??
My relatives got both cars filled before the storm as well as additional gas cans. They have siphoned and used it all in the generator. They are trying to find more, but not having much luck. My uncle just ran out of cell battery this morning so we haven't heard anything else. They stocked up on MREs before the storm, so I think they have food. Many of the cell towers are now going dead because the backup generators are dry.
The military needs to drop more food, water, and fuel, like they did in Katrina, and they need to do it before the cold front hits tomorrow!
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Quote from: Gaspar on November 02, 2012, 01:47:25 PM
My relatives got both cars filled before the storm as well as additional gas cans. They have siphoned and used it all in the generator. They are trying to find more, but not having much luck. My uncle just ran out of cell battery this morning so we haven't heard anything else. They stocked up on MREs before the storm, so I think they have food. Many of the cell towers are now going dead because the backup generators are dry.
The military needs to drop more food, water, and fuel, like they did in Katrina, and they need to do it before the cold front hits tomorrow!
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Where are the claims that the lousy response is because Obama hates white people, Italians, and Jews?
This appears to be every bit the clusterfark that Katrina was, maybe worse as it doesn't appear there was a mass exodus before Sandy hit. Perhaps people will finally get the message that waiting on the government to bail you out because you didn't take proper precautions isn't a prudent plan of action. I don't care how many FEMA clerks, National Guardsmen, or local FD and PD you throw at it, these are messes of epic proportions.
Quote from: Conan71 on November 02, 2012, 02:53:49 PM
Where are the claims that the lousy response is because Obama hates white people, Italians, and Jews?
This appears to be every bit the clusterfark that Katrina was, maybe worse as it doesn't appear there was a mass exodus before Sandy hit.
What station are you listening to?
Quote from: Townsend on November 02, 2012, 02:55:16 PM
What station are you listening to?
Maybe that new Tea Party channel?
Quote from: Townsend on November 02, 2012, 02:55:16 PM
What station are you listening to?
Whatever it is, they clearly don't actually remember Katrina's aftermath.
My wife just got in touch with her uncle. Apparently the food and water drops are taking place, but they are only available at a small amount of drops around the city(s), and supplies are very limited. Here are the locations if you have relatives that need food or water. He says they have not been able to find any fuel available yet.
Coffey Park at Richards Street
Brooklyn 1 PM - 5 PM
West 25th Street and Surf Avenue
Brooklyn 1 PM - 5 PM
Mill Road and New Dorp Lane
Staten Island 1 PM - 5 PM
Hunter Avenue and Father Capadanno Boulevard
Staten Island 1 PM - 5 PM
Beach 51st Street and Rockaway Beach Boulevard
Queens 1 PM - 5 PM
Red Fern Avenue and Beach 12th Street
Queens 1 PM - 5 PM
Beach 84th Street and Rockaway Beach Boulevard
Queens 1 PM - 5 PM
West 27th Street between 9th and 10th Avenues
Manhattan 1 PM - 5 PM
East 10th Street between Avenues C & D
Manhattan 1 PM - 5 PM
Catherine Street between Cherry and Monroe Streets
Manhattan 1 PM - 5 PM
Pitt Street and East Houston Street
Manhattan 1 PM - 5 PM
Confucius Plaza on Division Street
Manhattan 1 PM - 5 PM
413 Grand Street (Water Only)
Manhattan 1 PM - 5 PM
Quote from: Townsend on November 02, 2012, 02:55:16 PM
What station are you listening to?
Have you not heard anything about the mounting frustration by survivors and people being pissed that Gloomberg thinks the NYC marathon is some sort of priority while much of the city is still incapacitated? It's being fed out of every outlet. Here's a couple in print
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/02/hurrican-sandy-aftermath-recovery-anger_n_2065852.html
QuoteNEW YORK, Nov 2 (Reuters) - Frustration grew for superstorm Sandy's victims in the U.S. Northeast on Friday, many of whom were left with no power, no gasoline and little information about when their shattered lives might return to normal.
While Manhattan prepared to host the annual New York City Marathon on Sunday, acute gasoline shortages in the city's storm-battered outer boroughs and New Jersey led to long lines and short tempers.
Tankers finally began entering New York Harbor on Thursday, and a tanker carrying 2 million barrels of gasoline arrived at 2 a.m. (0600 GMT) on Friday, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said.
'THEY FORGOT ABOUT US'
President Barack Obama, locked in a tight race with Republican challenger Mitt Romney, has so far received praise for his handling of storm relief. But scenes of angry storm victims could affect the U.S. political campaign with Election Day four days away.
"They forgot about us," said Theresa Connor, 42, describing her Staten Island neighborhood as having been "annihilated." "And Bloomberg said New York is fine. The marathon is on," she said, referring to Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
Rising seawater flooded lower Manhattan, much of which still lacked power and subway service on Friday, while midtown and uptown Manhattan were close to normal.
Fury has been escalating throughout New York at Bloomberg's decision to proceed with the marathon on Sunday, vowing the event - which attracts more than 40,000 runners - would not divert any resources storm victims.
"I just walked past four huge generators. Those could be put to use for people who need them," said Marjorie Dial, a tourist from Oregon who was shocked to see the generators in Central Park, where the marathon finishes. "What they've discovered on Staten Island should have been the tipping point - the bodies."
QuoteIn a dozen interviews across the city Thursday, residents expressed growing worry. Promised aid from the Federal Emergency Management Agency was not arriving, fights were breaking out, and tensions simmered in gas lines that snaked for miles.
Despite Bloomberg's endorsement of Obama Thursday afternoon and a generally positive jobs report Friday morning, time is slowly running on believers in government. The socio-economic divide that I wrote about earlier this week is widening.
Tribeca, one of the wealthiest areas in the city to lose power, is deserted. Its residents, it seems, have the means to flee the city. Meanwhile, officials estimate that 49,000 people are trapped in public housing buildings that lack power. Middle-class residents of Brooklyn, Staten Island and the suburbs ringing New York say they are being forgotten. The mayor's foolish decision to proceed with the New York City Marathon this Sunday is provoking a popular backlash. With only an estimated 50 percent of the area's gas stations working and with wind-chill adjusted temperatures expected to drop below freezing Friday night, Bloomberg is flirting with disaster.
"This is terrible," Max Okuendo, a 37-year-old security guard who has been without power in Lower Manhattan for three days, said Thursday afternoon. "It has taken so long."
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/11/hurricane-sandy-act-ii-the-aftermath-puts-government-and-bloomberg-on-trial/264450/
The generators delivered to Central Park for the NYC Marathon are capable of powering hundreds of homes.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/this_is_no_way_to_get_us_up_running_egrMk4ukpzFCGhSF8oM5kN
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Quote from: Conan71 on November 02, 2012, 02:53:49 PM
Where are the claims that the lousy response is because Obama hates white people, Italians, and Jews?
This appears to be every bit the clusterfark that Katrina was, maybe worse as it doesn't appear there was a mass exodus before Sandy hit. Perhaps people will finally get the message that waiting on the government to bail you out because you didn't take proper precautions isn't a prudent plan of action. I don't care how many FEMA clerks, National Guardsmen, or local FD and PD you throw at it, these are messes of epic proportions.
yada yada yada....
learn to soak in global warming. This is the process.
"Reality has always had too many heads
Some things last longer than you think they will" Bob Dylan
Quote from: Teatownclown on November 02, 2012, 03:10:41 PM
yada yada yada....
learn to soak in global warming. This is the process.
"Reality has always had too many heads
Some things last longer than you think they will" Bob Dylan
Funny you say that. Gloomberg is a global warming proponent and believes that NYC could end up under water some day. Why in his ten plus years as mayor has he done nothing to protect the city from such a cataclysm like building higher dikes, sea walls, etc.?
Quote from: Conan71 on November 02, 2012, 03:09:36 PM
Have you not heard anything about the mounting frustration by survivors and people being pissed that Gloomberg thinks the NYC marathon is some sort of priority while much of the city is still incapacitated? It's being fed out of every outlet. Here's a couple in print
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/02/hurrican-sandy-aftermath-recovery-anger_n_2065852.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/11/hurricane-sandy-act-ii-the-aftermath-puts-government-and-bloomberg-on-trial/264450/
and. . . unfortunately, if you are forced to drink your own urine to survive, Bloomberg is limiting you to 16oz cups.
Quote from: Conan71 on November 02, 2012, 03:09:36 PM
Have you not heard anything about the mounting frustration by survivors and people being pissed that Gloomberg thinks the NYC marathon is some sort of priority while much of the city is still incapacitated? It's being fed out of every outlet. Here's a couple in print
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/02/hurrican-sandy-aftermath-recovery-anger_n_2065852.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/11/hurricane-sandy-act-ii-the-aftermath-puts-government-and-bloomberg-on-trial/264450/
Sure I've heard it. We were frustrated after a while with the ice storm. If a news crew asked me then, I'd've said I was frustrated too.
The thing is, the ice storm was no Sandy and Sandy is no Katrina.
I'm also reading a lot more stories about power coming back on and water/sewage crews making progress.
Quote from: Gaspar on November 02, 2012, 03:13:00 PM
and. . . unfortunately, if you are forced to drink your own urine to survive, Bloomberg is limiting you to 16oz cups.
You realize you look like you're sitting on the toilet in your avatar?
Quote from: Gaspar on November 02, 2012, 03:10:03 PM
The generators delivered to Central Park for the NYC Marathon are capable of powering hundreds of homes.
If only the delivery of electricity didn't require those pesky things called wires. The problem isn't generation, bud, it's the same problem we have here at home when we have those damn ice storms.
In LA durring Katrina, the looting started a few days after the hurricane. Of course many residents had little problem defending their property.
(http://www.velveteenmind.com/velveteenmind/WindowsLiveWriter/YouLootWeShoot-blog.jpg)
For the most part, only the criminals have guns in NYC and much of the surrounding area. If order breaks down this weekend, as people expect it will, I fear some horrible stories.
Quote from: Townsend on November 02, 2012, 03:19:30 PM
You realize you look like you're sitting on the toilet in your avatar?
That's where I read my binder of women.
Let me guess, you believe it when you receive those letters telling you about a thirty eight cent cancer cure?
Quote from: Gaspar on November 02, 2012, 03:21:21 PM
That's where I read my binder of women.
Dave Atell:
QuoteWhat do you do when you get caught masturbating? Well, here's a little tip. First, look surprised. And don't worry, you will be surprised.
And then say this: "Quick get some help! My hand and my penis are fighting!"
Quote from: Gaspar on November 02, 2012, 03:20:35 PM
If order breaks down this weekend, as people expect it will
Who expects it will?
Quote from: Townsend on November 02, 2012, 03:18:04 PM
Sure I've heard it. We were frustrated after a while with the ice storm. If a news crew asked me then, I'd've said I was frustrated too.
The thing is, the ice storm was no Sandy and Sandy is no Katrina.
I agree, but try telling that to someone whose house is blown away or under water. They don't care whether or not as many people have been killed or whether or not the final cost of Katrina was twice what this is estimated so far. All they know is relief is coming too slowly. There's simply no way to properly prepare for these storms other than complete evacuation and even that is mostly impossible.
Point is, the government fairly or unfairly will be the target of a lot of anger in days, weeks, and months to come as people navigate the rocky road to recovery.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2226757/SANDY-We-Katrina-Residents-fury-claim-outer-boroughs-ignored-help-following-superstorm-directed-Manhattan.html
Quote from: Conan71 on November 02, 2012, 03:12:54 PM
Funny you say that. Gloomberg is a global warming proponent and believes that NYC could end up under water some day. Why in his ten plus years as mayor has he done nothing to protect the city from such a cataclysm like building higher dikes, sea walls, etc.?
So, you don't know about the 42nd Street subway extension? Big enough to hold all the spill over once it's completed.
You just like those in the %1 that agree with the baggers...the one's that cause anxiety for no good reason.
Quote from: Townsend on November 02, 2012, 03:24:56 PM
Who expects it will?
You expect it wont?
I admire your optimism.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/hurricane-sandy-new-jersey-looters-_n_2052823.html
Quote from: Conan71 on November 02, 2012, 03:26:50 PM
I agree, but try telling that to someone whose house is blown away or under water. They don't care whether or not as many people have been killed or whether or not the final cost of Katrina was twice what this is estimated so far. All they know is relief is coming too slowly. There's simply no way to properly prepare for these storms other than complete evacuation and even that is mostly impossible.
Point is, the government fairly or unfairly will be the target of a lot of anger in days, weeks, and months to come as people navigate the rocky road to recovery.
Anyone who isn't getting help immediately will say it's taking too long. Even those folks who said the federal government shouldn't be helping in New Orleans. Suddenly, of course, they are claiming the federal government and the state are ignoring their plite.
Quote from: Gaspar on November 02, 2012, 03:32:48 PM
You expect it wont?
I admire your optimism.
Oh, you said "as people expect it will" so I assumed you meant you have a list of people quoted saying "I expect order will break down this weekend".
Quote from: Gaspar on November 02, 2012, 03:06:36 PM
Apparently the food and water drops are taking place, but they are only available at a small amount of drops around the city(s), and supplies are very limited.
Well, you know, other than the raft of people delivering hot meals and supplies to people who can't get out and those supply points you mentioned along with all the eating establishments that are open inland, it is indeed hard to find food and water in the area. I'm not surprised that the usual suspects are trying to turn this into a political football days before the election.
'Fox and Friends' accuses NBC of using hurricane benefit concert to boost Obamahttp://insidetv.ew.com/2012/11/02/fox-news-hurricane-sandy-obama/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/11/02/fox-news-hurricane-sandy-obama/)
QuoteIs NBC's upcoming Hurricane Sandy telethon truly a benefit for victims of the superstorm — or is it actually a stealth benefit for Barack Obama?
The latter — according to Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy and guest host Eric Bolling — is a distinct possibility.
During today's episode, both questioned why NBC's affiliates are airing the benefit tonight rather than waiting for New York City to "get its feet under itself"; Bolling called NBC's timing "more than suspect." Later, he elaborated: "This just seems like a rush job because the election is gonna be [in] three days."
Both Bolling and Doocy also pointed out that three of the benefit's headliners — Bruce Springsteen, Jon Bon Jovi, and Billy Joel — are vocal Obama supporters. "Where are the conservative performers?" wondered Doocy. (Maybe Meat Loaf will make an appearance?)
The bottom line, in Doocy's words — "Is it a hurricane benefit or a concert for Obama?"
Apparently, per HLN, there is discussion in cancelling the marathon.
Quote from: Townsend on November 02, 2012, 03:39:57 PM
'Fox and Friends' accuses NBC of using hurricane benefit concert to boost Obama
http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/11/02/fox-news-hurricane-sandy-obama/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/11/02/fox-news-hurricane-sandy-obama/)
Wow, knock me over with a feather.
Quote from: Townsend on November 02, 2012, 03:39:57 PM
'Fox and Friends' accuses NBC of using hurricane benefit concert to boost Obama
http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/11/02/fox-news-hurricane-sandy-obama/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/11/02/fox-news-hurricane-sandy-obama/)
Quote from: Hoss on November 02, 2012, 03:42:15 PM
Wow, knock me over with a feather.
They should just wear the damned helmets.
How about we let Bloomberg speak for himself on the marathon issue:
(marathon discussion begins at 8:57 or so)
Marathon canceled.
Quote from: Gaspar on November 02, 2012, 03:20:35 PM
In LA durring Katrina, the looting started a few days after the hurricane. Of course many residents had little problem defending their property.
(http://www.velveteenmind.com/velveteenmind/WindowsLiveWriter/YouLootWeShoot-blog.jpg)
For the most part, only the criminals have guns in NYC and much of the surrounding area. If order breaks down this weekend, as people expect it will, I fear some horrible stories.
Where do you get your information from? Many residents in NYC own guns, and I would guess a lower percentage of criminals and the mentally insane own guns in NY than say Oklahoma, given their stricter laws and background checks. Pretty much all of my family/friends live in NYC and the surrounding area, and nobody expects order to break down this weekend. In fact they have all been amazed at how civil everything has been.
Power has just been restored to the East Village and Chelsea. Things are slowly improving.
Aside from individual buildings having damage, all of Manhattan should now be powered up. And Obama's giving away free gas after all.
NY marathon 2001, Rudy Giuliani insists the marathon go on as planned to show the resiliance of NYC after 9/11. 2012, Bloomberg cancels marathon after Superstorm Sandy, NYC needs to heal. So which is the image of New Yorkers that is supposed to be the model that every one else should aspire to be?
Next time your at a bar order a "Sandy" it's a watered down Manhattan....
Quote from: dbacks fan on November 04, 2012, 02:17:07 AM
NY marathon 2001, Rudy Giuliani insists the marathon go on as planned to show the resiliance of NYC after 9/11. 2012, Bloomberg cancels marathon after Superstorm Sandy, NYC needs to heal. So which is the image of New Yorkers that is supposed to be the model that every one else should aspire to be?
Timeing was a tad different. The marathon was not days after 9/11.
I've been very proud of the racers that were all planning on participating. I heard they had a mock marathon and ran to locations where New York citizens were in need. Gotta love American's spirit.
Quote from: erfalf on November 06, 2012, 01:02:54 PM
I've been very proud of the racers that were all planning on participating. I heard they had a mock marathon and ran to locations where New York citizens were in need. Gotta love American's spirit.
http://espn.go.com/espnw/more-sports/8592408/espnw-new-york-city-marathon-runners-redirect-focus-volunteer-help-sandy-victims
Hundreds Of Would-Be Marathon Runners Deliver Relief Supplies On Staten Island
http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/top_stories/171803/hundreds-of-would-be-marathon-runners-deliver-relief-supplies-on-staten-island