Yesterday, a young woman was abducted from the PetSmart here in Owasso. Within an hour, she was found in her crashed car somewhere along SH20 near Avant and she was transported to the hospital. The alleged abductor is still at large.
She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed heard this over the scanner. She said the OPD dispatcher said they were tracking the car through the cellular phone. My question is this - how does the PD track a cell phone so quickly? I thought it required a warrant first.
I know they require a warrant to listen or record conversations. I'm not real sure about the tracking of the cell tower pings.
Quote from: Ed W on October 16, 2012, 05:11:10 PM
I thought it required a warrant first.
Nope (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/04/documents-show-cops-making-up-the-rules-on-mobile-surveillance/). It's a freakin' profit center now.
Quote from: nathanm on October 16, 2012, 05:51:12 PM
Nope (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/04/documents-show-cops-making-up-the-rules-on-mobile-surveillance/). It's a freakin' profit center now.
Yaaaawwwwwnnnnnn,,,,,,,old news been that way since the early '00s. By the way nate, your tinfoil hat increases the range at which they can find you.
Quote from: dbacks fan on October 16, 2012, 07:08:59 PM
Yaaaawwwwwnnnnnn,,,,,,,old news been that way since the early '00s. By the way nate, your tinfoil hat increases the range at which they can find you.
I think I just pissed myself...
Quote from: dbacks fan on October 16, 2012, 07:08:59 PM
Yaaaawwwwwnnnnnn,,,,,,,old news been that way since the early '00s. By the way nate, your tinfoil hat increases the range at which they can find you.
No tinfoil, just reality. You should look at the statistics. In the early 00s, few phones had AGPS, so could not be located precisely. In the early 00s, location dumps were very rare. These days, not so much.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 16, 2012, 09:30:52 PM
I think I just pissed myself...
You are that easily amused??
Just wondering....
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on October 16, 2012, 10:06:43 PM
You are that easily amused??
Just wondering....
No, I just love it when Clavin gets owned. If tracking can help save lives I put that as a higher priority over paranoid dope smokers worried about being chased down for having a joint on them.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 16, 2012, 10:12:54 PM
No, I just love it when Clavin gets owned. If tracking can help save lives I put that as a higher priority over paranoid dope smokers worried about being for having a joint on them.
Maybe we could put trackers on those people buying psuedoephidrine.
:o
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 10:17:08 PM
Maybe we could put trackers on those people buying psuedoephidrine.
:o
Owasso stores will just call the cops on you if you try to buy pseudofed in town. And detainment/questioning for 4 hours.
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 10:17:08 PM
Maybe we could put trackers on those people buying psuedoephidrine.
:o
Oh snap!
Quote from: Conan71 on October 16, 2012, 10:12:54 PM
owned
That word. It does not mean what you think it means.
Quote from: nathanm on October 16, 2012, 10:29:21 PM
That word. It does not mean what you think it means.
You are a funny little man. The consummate know-it-all.
SWMBO must be out of town again.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 16, 2012, 10:31:14 PM
You are a funny little man. The consummate know-it-all.
I've never claimed to know it all. I only claim to have references.
Quote from: DolfanBob on October 16, 2012, 05:28:20 PM
I know they require a warrant to listen or record conversations. I'm not real sure about the tracking of the cell tower pings.
Pinging is simply a matter of going to a carrier's website, logging in with a LE password, and entering a phone number or ESN.
It's listening to conversations or reading texts or mail that requires a warrant.
So now wireless carriers are only too happy to hand out our location data without requiring a warrant; selling cell phone surveillance records is a big money-making business for mobile phone companies that have special divisions and manuals to assist law enforcement in nabbing our info. The wireless industry is not transparency-friendly and mobile carrier companies do not want to report the number of times location info is disclosed, contested, or the number of users whose location data was handed over to Johnny Law. In fact, according to the Wireless Association (CTIA), a wireless trade association that includes AT&T, Verizon and Sprint, the proposed reporting requirements "unduly burden wireless providers and their employees, who are working day and night to assist law enforcement to ensure the public's safety and to save lives." The EFF bluntly pointed out that the wireless industry is "working day and night" to sell you out in secret.http://blogs.computerworld.com/20137/doj_requiring_warrant_for_cell_phone_tracking_would_cripple_law_enforcement
Only a small number of people need to worry about law enforcement accessing their account data, he said, but "100% of cell phone and Internet users need to worry about how providers are using their information."Reserve Officers Association:
Our favorite carriers, including AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint, are in on the action by selling information to police about a person's whereabouts, including the sale of private text messages and cell tower data, which pinpoint the location where someone is using a cell, the New York Times reported in March. Some companies are marketing surveillance fees to law enforcement to spy on targets even though wireless carriers declare that they don't sell their customers' information to police.
Quote from: patric on October 17, 2012, 12:58:16 PM
Pinging is simply a matter of going to a carrier's website, logging in with a LE password, and entering a phone number or ESN.
It's listening to conversations or reading texts or mail that requires a warrant.
Not according to Mobistealth:
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I own a landscaping business with about 80% of my employees having company-issued cell phones so I can keep track of crews and get jobs done. But with 6 crews in the field at any given time, it can take forever to contact them all and find out which ones are closest. So, I decided to install some cell phone tracking software on all the phones and Mobistealth was by far the best choice. But not only could I see where all of my employees were, I could see how much company time was being wasted on personal cell phone use because your software revealed all activities on the phones. Thank you Mobistealth-You are honestly the best investment I have made so far this year!I'm not sure, but I think that in order for this to be legal, the cell phone owner has to install the software. So in the case of the testimonial above, the owner installed it on his phones. That seems legitimate. It would be legal for a parent to do the same with his kid's phone, but I have to wonder how it would play out if it was on a spouse's phone when they're going through a contentious divorce.
Quote from: Ed W on October 17, 2012, 06:35:43 PM
I'm not sure, but I think that in order for this to be legal, the cell phone owner has to install the software. So in the case of the testimonial above, the owner installed it on his phones. That seems legitimate. It would be legal for a parent to do the same with his kid's phone, but I have to wonder how it would play out if it was on a spouse's phone when they're going through a contentious divorce.
Unless the person listening is a party to the conversation, it would be considered wiretapping in just about every state.
"Listen Live to the Cell Phone Surroundings" i.e., secretly turning on the microphone, would also be illegal, but you might be surprised at how vulnerable iPhones are to that.