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Title: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Hoss on October 09, 2012, 10:55:54 PM
...just keeps on giving.

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2012/10/09/romney-says-abortion-legislation-isnt-part-of-his-agenda/article?nclick_check=1

Harhar...
Title: Re: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Hoss on October 10, 2012, 12:24:40 AM
Now his campaign is trying to walk the comments back.

Welcome back Etch a sketch!

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ROMNEY_ABORTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Title: Re: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Hoss on October 10, 2012, 12:34:19 AM
Awesome. Apparently Etch A Sketch can't be bothered to field the children's questions. Probably doesn't care because they can't vote.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/tv-column/post/mitt-romney-declines-to-participate-in-nickelodeons-kids-pick-the-president-special/2012/10/08/534f210c-119a-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_blog.html
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Townsend on October 10, 2012, 01:25:27 PM
Mitt Romney's Abortion Evolution

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/mitt-romneys-abortion-evolution/story?id=17443452#.UHW8DhXA98E (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/mitt-romneys-abortion-evolution/story?id=17443452#.UHW8DhXA98E)

QuoteMitt Romney's stance on abortion came under scrutiny this week after the GOP challenger said he would not make abortion-related legislation part of his agenda if elected president.

Some of his Republican primary rivals challenged Romney on his evolving stance on abortion, but the issue has been on the backburner for much of the general election. He is now the target of attacks by Democrats, who claim that Romney is trying to "cover up" his true position in order to win women voters, and abortion rights activists like Planned Parenthood, who said Romney was being "dishonest" about his stance.

Here is a rundown of Romney's stances on all things abortion-related, from supporting Roe v. Wade in 1994 to disavowing it in 2011, to backing away from any legislative changes in 2012.



2002: 'I Will Preserve and Protect a Woman's Right to Choose'
While running for Massachusetts governor eight years later, Romney assured voters in the moderate state that he was "not going to change our pro-choice laws in Massachusetts in any way."

"I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose," Romney said during a 2002 debate against Democratic gubernatorial opponent Shannon O'Brien. "I am not going to change our pro-choice laws in Massachusetts in any way. I am not going to make any changes which would make it more difficult for a woman to make that choice herself."

2005: 'I Am Pro-Life'
After winning the governor's mansion, Romney used his veto pen in 2005 to block a law that would expand access to emergency contraception.

In a Boston Globe Op-Ed explaining his veto, Romney said he was "pro-life" and opposed a "judicial mandate" that dictated a nationwide abortion law, arguing instead that the issue should be left up to the states.

"I believe that abortion is the wrong choice except in cases of incest, rape, and to save the life of the mother," Romney wrote. "I believe that the states, through the democratic process, should determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate."

Romney said he would uphold his campaign promise not to change Massachusetts' abortion laws, even though that campaign pledge was preceded by Romney's statement that he would "protect a woman's right to chose."

2007: 'We Should Overturn Roe v. Wade'
During his first presidential bid in 2007, Romney explained that he had "changed my mind" on abortion while serving his one term as Massachusetts governor.

After debate moderator Anderson Cooper showed the clip of Romney saying in 1994 that "we should sustain and support" Roe v. Wade, the Republican presidential candidate said that "on abortion, I was wrong."

"I'm proud to be pro-life, and I'm not going to be apologizing to people for becoming pro-life," Romney said during a GOP primary debate in November 2007.

Romney went on to say "we should overturn Roe v. Wade and return these issues to the states." He also said he would be "delighted" to sign a bill as president that would outlaw abortion, if there "was such a consensus in this country that we said we don't want to have abortion in this country at all, period."

2011: 'I Will Support Efforts to Prohibit Federal Funding for Any Organization Like Planned Parenthood'
Since 2005, Romney has consistently said that he is "pro-life" and believes abortion should be legal only in the case "of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother."

During the fiercely conservative Republican primary last year, Romney expanded that view to include cutting all federal funding for Planned Parenthood, reversing Roe v. Wade "because it is bad law and bad medicine," and ending funding for any international aid program that "promotes or performs abortions on women around the world."

"If I have the opportunity to serve as our nation's next president, I commit to doing everything in my power to cultivate, promote, and support a culture of life in America," Romney wrote in a National Journal Op-Ed in June 2011.

While Romney said repeatedly that abortion laws should be left up to the states, he told Fox's Mike Huckabee in October 2011 that he "absolutely" supports a Constitutional amendment banning abortion.

2012: 'There's No Legislation With Regards to Abortion That I'm Familiar With That Would Become Part of My Agenda'
Less than two months after accepting the GOP nomination, Romney seemed to tack back toward the center on his abortion stance, telling the Des Moines Register this week that he would not make abortion legislation part of his agenda.

"There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda," Romney told the Des Moines Register Tuesday.

Such a stance seems to contradict the National Journal Op-Ed Romney wrote in June 2011, when he named three pieces of legislation he would support if elected president.

"I support the Hyde Amendment, which broadly bars the use of federal funds for abortions," Romney wrote. "I will reinstate the Mexico City Policy to ensure that nongovernmental organizations that receive funding from America refrain from performing or promoting abortion services."

"I will advocate for and support a Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act to protect unborn children who are capable of feeling pain from abortion," Romney added.

The GOP nominee's spokeswoman Andrea Saul was quick to clarify her candidate's remarks Tuesday, saying "Mitt Romney is proudly pro-life and will be a pro-life president."
Title: Re: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Gaspar on October 10, 2012, 02:25:58 PM
Quote from: Hoss on October 10, 2012, 12:34:19 AM
Awesome. Apparently Etch A Sketch can't be bothered to field the children's questions. Probably doesn't care because they can't vote.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/tv-column/post/mitt-romney-declines-to-participate-in-nickelodeons-kids-pick-the-president-special/2012/10/08/534f210c-119a-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_blog.html

No.  Child labor laws prevent you from hiring them, so you obviously can't lay them off.  ;)
Title: Re: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Townsend on October 10, 2012, 02:52:21 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on October 10, 2012, 02:25:58 PM
No.  Child labor laws prevent you from hiring them, so you obviously can't lay them off.  ;)

You outsource and Kathy Lee that country's kids.
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Townsend on October 10, 2012, 04:52:45 PM
Wow...he does it again.

Romney vows to be 'a pro-life president' after newspaper interview

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/10/14347406-romney-vows-to-be-a-pro-life-president-after-newspaper-interview?lite (http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/10/14347406-romney-vows-to-be-a-pro-life-president-after-newspaper-interview?lite)

QuoteMitt Romney vowed he would govern as a "pro-life president" after telling an Iowa newspaper on Tuesday that he wouldn't seek legislation affecting access to abortion.
The Republican presidential nominee, speaking to reporters during a stop Wednesday afternoon in Ohio, said he would act immediately as president to eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood and reinstate the so-called "Mexico City Policy," which prohibits the use of federal funds for promoting of performing abortions abroad.

"I think I've said time and again. I'm a pro-life candidate. I'll be a pro-life president," Romney said. "The actions I'll take immediately are to remove funding for Planned Parenthood. It will not be part of my budget. And also I've indicated I'll reverse the Mexico City position of the president. I will reinstate the Mexico City policy."

Romney told the editorial board of the Des Moines Register that he has "no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda."

His campaign subsequently said Romney would "of course support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life," prompting the Obama campaign to pounce, and accuse their Republican opponent of obfuscating his true position on abortion rights.

"We're not saying that he's changed his mind on these issues, we're saying he's trying to cover up his beliefs," Obama campaign deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter said in a Wednesday conference call.

He needs to realize these crazies will hold him to his campaign blurts.
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Teatownclown on October 10, 2012, 05:16:28 PM
Quote from: Townsend on October 10, 2012, 04:52:45 PM


He needs to realize these crazies will hold him to his campaign blurts.

How can the Dumbf@#kistanians hold him to anything he's said. Two sides to every issue covers it.
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: guido911 on October 10, 2012, 07:27:57 PM
I was wondering if anyone other than Hoss was going to post anything in this thread... ::)
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 10, 2012, 07:41:31 PM
Yeah...I'll post something.

Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Hoss on October 10, 2012, 07:50:49 PM
Quote from: guido911 on October 10, 2012, 07:27:57 PM
I was wondering if anyone other than Hoss was going to post anything in this thread... ::)

I'm the forum police!  Remember?   :o

I guess the truth hurts.

Honestly though, I wouldn't be averse voting for 'moderate' Romney.

Yes...you read that right.

Problem is, in order to get the candidacy, he had to be all over the map.  Why do you think my cries of 'is this the best you guys have?' were so loud?

If he governs like he did while Mass Governor, he will be just a little to the right of our current President.

He does have a bit of a problem now.  The debate that he won (yep, he did) showed us a couple of things.

First, how moderate he really is, thus the 'Etch-a-Sketch' moniker.

Second, that he can tell a lie nearly once a minute in a debate format.  That's pretty damned impressive.  Even for a politician.

And now his ever changing view on reproductive rights.  Wow.  You guys must need Dramamine to keep from hurling from all the motion going on...
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Hoss on October 10, 2012, 07:55:13 PM
A conservative, a moderate and a liberal walk into a bar........ The bartender says "Hi Mitt".....
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: nathanm on October 10, 2012, 09:40:46 PM
...and then Mitt fired the bartender for not calling him Mr. Romney. True story. ;)
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: nathanm on October 16, 2012, 06:22:34 PM
Ouch, that's gotta sting at least a little somewhere in that three-sizes-too-small heart of Romney's:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/romney-is-attacked-by-his-fathers-longtime-aide/
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 07:13:54 PM
Romney is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If he is unwavering he would be labeled too rigid and an ideologue. If not, he is an etch-a-sketch. Anywhere in between and he is still an Etch-a-Scetch. In reality it's called being a politician. They all suffer from this disease.
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 07:19:58 PM
Quote from: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 07:13:54 PM
Romney is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If he is unwavering he would be labeled too rigid and an ideologue. If not, he is an etch-a-sketch. Anywhere in between and he is still an Etch-a-Scetch. In reality it's called being a politician. They all suffer from this disease.

And who was it that put himself in that dilemma?  Oh, let me guess..not him.  It was the media.
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Conan71 on October 16, 2012, 08:54:03 PM
Obligatory:

"Meh, disgruntled former employee"

Meme.
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Teatownclown on October 19, 2012, 02:57:57 PM


Clever...now that's something Mitt's not.

Too Many Mitts
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/romney-obama-state-president.html.csp
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Conan71 on October 19, 2012, 03:11:04 PM
He's suffering from Obamanesia, apparently:



Obama is his own best opponent!
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: guido911 on October 19, 2012, 03:17:17 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on October 19, 2012, 03:11:04 PM
He's suffering from Obamanesia, apparently:



Obama is his own best opponent!

So I take it you will not be voting with your lady parts and going for Obama?
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Townsend on October 19, 2012, 03:20:45 PM
Quote from: guido911 on October 19, 2012, 03:17:17 PM
So I take it you will not be voting with your lady parts and going for Obama?

Ah, is that what's on the flyers?

Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: guido911 on October 19, 2012, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: Townsend on October 19, 2012, 03:20:45 PM
Ah, is that what's on the flyers?



(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/obama-ecard-removed-620x387.jpg)

Meh. Who knows? I thought that started with Akin.


edit.
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: nathanm on October 19, 2012, 03:34:37 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on October 19, 2012, 03:11:04 PM
Obama is his own best opponent!

If you choose not to listen to his ideas, that does not mean he does not have them, it just means you have refused to listen to them.
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: nathanm on October 19, 2012, 06:22:13 PM
I usually have a pretty good eye for satire and don't see it here, but I still find it hard to believe. It would be impossible to believe if it was coming from the other SLC daily:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/romney-obama-state-president.html.csp
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Hoss on October 20, 2012, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: nathanm on October 19, 2012, 06:22:13 PM
I usually have a pretty good eye for satire and don't see it here, but I still find it hard to believe. It would be impossible to believe if it was coming from the other SLC daily:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/romney-obama-state-president.html.csp

CPD endorsed the President today also (Cleveland Plain Dealer).  That's not as surprising.

However, this is pretty funny:

Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Townsend on October 30, 2012, 10:03:49 AM
Well what the?  Ohhhh, because of Sandy...

Would Romney abolish FEMA? His campaign says no

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-abolish-fema-campaign-says-no-202301419--election.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-abolish-fema-campaign-says-no-202301419--election.html)

QuoteDAVENPORT, Iowa—As Hurricane Sandy bears down on the East Coast, Mitt Romney's campaign is pushing back against suggestions that he wants to abolish the Federal Emergency Management Agency—insisting that he would simply prefer to see states take a greater role in disaster relief.

At a GOP primary debate in June 2011, Romney, when asked about FEMA's budget woes and how he would deal with it, had said, "Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that's even better."

During that debate, the moderator, CNN's John King, had gone on to ask if that included "disaster relief." Romney suggested it did.

The Center for American Progress, a liberal group, called attention to Romney's remarks in an email to reporters on Sunday.

Asked for clarification today, Romney spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg said the GOP nominee wasn't implying he would get rid of FEMA, but rather that he simply wants states to play a greater role in disaster response.

"Gov. Romney believes that states should be in charge of emergency management in responding to storms and other natural disasters in their jurisdictions," Henneberg said. "As the first responders, states are in the best position to aid affected individuals and communities, and to direct resources and assistance to where they are needed most. This includes help from the federal government and FEMA."


Romney has proposed a budget that includes across-the-board cuts on federal programs, with the exception of defense and entitlement programs, as a way of curbing the growing federal deficit. But he has not said specifically where those cuts would be. Asked if FEMA's budget could be on the list for potential cuts, Henneberg did not comment.

Romney has publicly supported a House GOP budget bill drafted by his running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan, that called for greater efficiency in federal disaster relief spending.

The debate over FEMA funding could be revived in coming days amid predictions that Hurricane Sandy could cause massive power outage and damage in its path
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Townsend on October 31, 2012, 01:24:45 PM
Romney camp: FEMA plays 'really important role'

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/10/romney-camp-fema-plays-really-important-role-147840.html (http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/10/romney-camp-fema-plays-really-important-role-147840.html)

QuoteMitt Romney's campaign tried Wednesday to reassure voters that the GOP nominee believes the Federal Emergency Management Agency plays a "really important role."

"Gov. Romney believes in a very efficient and effective disaster relief response, and he believes one of the ways to do that is put a premium on states and their efforts to respond to these disasters," senior adviser Kevin Madden told reporters on the flights from Tampa to Miami. "That's why they call them first responders – they're first to respond, the states. Traditionally they've been best at responding to these disasters. But he does believe FEMA has a really important role there and that being a partner for these states is the best approach."

The former Massachusetts governor ignored shouted questions on Tuesday during a disaster relief event in Kettering, Ohio, about whether he believes in the elimination of FEMA.

Many have included a comment Romney made during a New Hampshire debate when asked about FEMA in coverage of his response to Hurricane Sandy.

"Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction," Romney said then. "And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that's even better."

Madden was non-commitall about whether Romney will tour storm damage. He said Romney spoke with Chris Christie, Tom Corbett and Bob McDonnell over the last two days. He said he does not think he has spoken with any Democratic governors.

"I don't have any updates on anything about travel with storm damage, but we will continue to remind folks that they have an opportunity to help with relief efforts by donating to the Red Cross," Madden said. "And I'll update you on any schedule changes, but I don't have anything right now."

Asked if Romney agrees with Christie's comment that Obama's response to the natural disaster has been fantastic so far, Madden said: "I refer to Gov. Christie's remarks. I believe the response is still going on so I'm not in a position to qualify the response by the federal government. I believe it's still ongoing."
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: nathanm on October 31, 2012, 03:45:51 PM
Magic Mitt will be whoever you'd like him to be.
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Hoss on October 31, 2012, 09:22:45 PM
Quote"I believe that FEMA plays a key role in working with states and localities to prepare for and respond to natural disasters," Romney said in the statement. "As president, I will ensure FEMA has the funding it needs to fulfill its mission, while directing maximum resources to the first responders who work tirelessly to help those in need, because states and localities are in the best position to get aid to the individuals and communities affected by natural disasters."

Vertigo.  I bet it's a grumble.
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: nathanm on October 31, 2012, 10:18:32 PM
Just so we're all aware, according to NBC, it has now been three weeks since Romney has taken questions from any reporter. Real big on accountability, this one.
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Townsend on October 31, 2012, 11:04:11 PM
Quote from: nathanm on October 31, 2012, 10:18:32 PM
Just so we're all aware, according to NBC, it has now been three weeks since Romney has taken questions from any reporter. Real big on accountability, this one.

If you were his handler, wouldn't you be nervous he'd shove his 8.5's in his mouth and ruin everything?
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: Hoss on October 31, 2012, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Townsend on October 31, 2012, 11:04:11 PM
If you were his handler, wouldn't you be nervous he'd shove his 8.5's in his mouth and ruin everything?

I thought his handlers called that "Tuesday"....
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: nathanm on October 31, 2012, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: Townsend on October 31, 2012, 11:04:11 PM
If you were his handler, wouldn't you be nervous he'd shove his 8.5's in his mouth and ruin everything?

The village idiots Romney has for media surrogates say things even more profoundly stupid than the Governor himself has yet managed.
Title: Re: The Etch-A-Sketch candidate..
Post by: TulsaRufnex on November 01, 2012, 12:08:36 AM
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