Gawd I'm sick of this election cycle! I don't want to hear any more about politics or bickering!
Commence your bickering below.
Quote from: carltonplace on October 08, 2012, 09:07:39 AM
Gawd I'm sick of this election cycle! I don't want to hear any more about politics or bickering!
Commence your bickering below.
Bite me you DB's!
There is an election coming up?
Then my prediction can come true....
Sure wish Tulsans would wake up to how powerless Bridenstein will be if he's elected. Talk about bump on a log. We need more dynamic representation. And did anybody notice how partisan Sully remains http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20121008_16_A1_CUTLIN329425 ? Let's get with the program....if it weren't so divisive, maybe you wouldn't be so negative about election season.
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Little Johnny asks his dad to explain politics.
"It's like this, son. I earn a living, so call me Capital. Your mom
does the taxes, so she's Government. Your nanny is Labor, you are the
People, and your baby brother is the Future. Now think about that
tonite and tell me in the morning if you understand."
That night little Johnny wakes up because his baby brother is crying.
He discovers his brother has pooped his diapers. He goes to his mom's
room but can't wake her up. He goes to his dad's room but his dad
is sleeping with the nanny. So he goes back to bed.
In the morning, his dad asks him, "Now do you understand politics?"
"Sure, Dad!" says little Johnny. "Capital is screwing Labor, Goverment
is asleep, no-one pays any attention to the People, and the Future is
in deep doo-doo!"
Caption this:
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Quote from: patric on October 08, 2012, 02:41:14 PM
Caption this:
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Beans & crackers.
Quote from: patric on October 08, 2012, 02:41:14 PM
Caption this:
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Token white guy absent any useful job skills.
I like this one:
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Credit to a facebooker: "Mitt is taking a Barack"
Dingle berries....
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Quote from: Teatownclown on October 08, 2012, 11:05:32 PM
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A
BLUE tie?
That Romney pic is sorta par for the course with the way he is covered by the media. Choose the most unflattering and go with it. With that said, in the "even a broken clock is right twice a day" news:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/is-obama-overrated-as-a-candidate/2012/10/07/316c40f6-1087-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_story.html
Take with a grain of salt because it is from the WP and written by flaming conservative Cillizza.
"The media" didn't run with it. HuffPo ran a caption contest with it. Because it's funny. Unless it's sprouted up on all the news sites in the last 16 hours, anyway.
Try and keep up Nate...
http://www.mediaite.com/online/aps-unflattering-romney-photo-elicits-chuckles-jokes%E2%80%A6and-criticism/
Quote from: guido911 on October 09, 2012, 05:29:53 PM
That Romney pic is sorta par for the course with the way he is covered by the media. Choose the most unflattering and go with it. With that said, in the "even a broken clock is right twice a day" news:
Take with a grain of salt because it is from the WP and written by flaming conservative Cillizza.
You gotta be kidding...
You're right, it is now also on AP's site and ABC (and all over twitter and various forums) and a couple of small newspapers that directly take the AP feed. I also see that some Breitbart jackass has tried to make hay of it. I'm glad that the AP did clarify the caption. Previously it just stated the obvious, that Romney was posing with kids. I had wondered if she saw a lizard or something on the ground.
It's still not "all over" the news, or at least not all over the part of the news media that is on the Interwebs. It seems the only people who are posting it are those who think it's just funny and those who are trying to paint "the media" as biased in some way because an AP photographer took a funny picture.
Quote from: nathanm on October 09, 2012, 08:45:44 PM
You're right, it is now also on AP's site and ABC (and all over twitter and various forums) and a couple of small newspapers that directly take the AP feed. I also see that some Breitbart jackass has tried to make hay of it. I'm glad that the AP did clarify the caption. Previously it just stated the obvious, that Romney was posing with kids. I had wondered if she saw a lizard or something on the ground.
It's still not "all over" the news, or at least not all over the part of the news media that is on the Interwebs. It seems the only people who are posting it are those who think it's just funny and those who are trying to paint "the media" as biased in some way because an AP photographer took a funny picture.
I figured he had ripped one in her general direction. That's the logical conclusion. Either that or his junk fell out of TTC's vaunted "magic underwear".
Quote from: Conan71 on October 09, 2012, 08:46:57 PM
I figured he had ripped one in her general direction. That's the logical conclusion. Either that or his junk fell out of TTC's vaunted "magic underwear".
Getting close to T's "seer stones", which was freakin funny for a caption.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 09, 2012, 08:46:57 PM
I figured he had ripped one in her general direction. That's the logical conclusion. Either that or his junk fell out of TTC's vaunted "magic underwear".
I would actually think better of Romney had that been the case and he responded with "you smelt it, you dealt it". I still have a soft spot in my heart for grade school humor. ;)
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on October 09, 2012, 08:27:26 PM
You gotta be kidding...
Kinda funny the Guido-baggery going on, isn't it?
;D
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Quote from: guido911 on October 09, 2012, 08:49:28 PM
Getting close to T's "seer stones", which was freakin funny for a caption.
Thanks by the way.
It just never ceases, does it?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/tommy-thompsons-son-apologizes-for-back-to-kenya-obama-comment/
Awww people got their feewings hurt.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 15, 2012, 04:07:08 PM
Awww people got their feewings hurt.
Wow, Conan channeling his inner Gweed...
Quote from: Hoss on October 15, 2012, 03:17:29 PM
It just never ceases, does it?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/tommy-thompsons-son-apologizes-for-back-to-kenya-obama-comment/
It's a creepy path they've taken.
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Moochelle doing her best Biden:
Quote(CNSNews.com) – First Lady Michelle Obama said in a radio interview on Friday that the United States is in the "midst of a huge recovery" because of what "this president has done."
Pablo Sato, co-host of Pablo & Free on WPGC 95.5, a Washington, D.C.-area hip-hop radio station, asked the first lady: "Mrs. Obama, you know what, in your words, tell us what you think the state of the union is in right now?"
Mrs. Obama said, "I mean, we are seeing right now that we are in the midst of a huge recovery. Right? Because of what this president has done."
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michelle-obama-we-are-midst-huge-recovery
It's not her fault the economic numbers have been coming up roses recently. :P
Quote from: guido911 on October 15, 2012, 06:11:32 PM
Moochelle doing her best Biden:
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michelle-obama-we-are-midst-huge-recovery
I sympathize. I know reality has to be hard for you....
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on October 15, 2012, 08:27:43 PM
I sympathize. I know reality has to be hard for you....
Oh. I hadn't realized you agreed we are in the midst of a huge recovery...And on the subject, could someone tell me what Obama's policy is responsible for this "recovery" we are in--I mean, other than the record numbers on food stamps which we all know is an economic stimulus. :P
Quote from: guido911 on October 15, 2012, 09:01:52 PM
Oh. I hadn't realized you agreed we are in the midst of a huge recovery...And on the subject, could someone tell me what Obama's policy is responsible for this "recovery" we are in--I mean, other than the record numbers on food stamps which we all know is an economic stimulus. :P
I guess I would take exception to the word 'huge', but when you compare losing 800,000 a month to gaining 200,000 a month, well that ain't exactly chopped liver. And as so often, something you already do know....
And you personally are doing the best of your life - even better than before the collapse - so tough to understand why you would protest so much....it's the old 'crocodile tear' thing, I guess.
Stock market double. Manufacturing growing at 4 times the pace under Bush. Which would mean much more hiring if so many of these CEO's couldn't get away with loading up their existing employees by 25% or 50% more to do. But that will cycle through, and as they lose people to competitors who are more farsighted, hiring will grow. After the election - no matter who wins - hiring is going up.
Yep. Can always be better, but nothing but bad times here....right?
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on October 15, 2012, 09:52:45 PM
I guess I would take exception to the word 'huge', but when you compare losing 800,000 a month to gaining 200,000 a month, well that ain't exactly chopped liver. And as so often, something you already do know....
And you personally are doing the best of your life - even better than before the collapse - so tough to understand why you would protest so much....it's the old 'crocodile tear' thing, I guess.
Stock market double. Manufacturing growing at 4 times the pace under Bush. Which would mean much more hiring if so many of these CEO's couldn't get away with loading up their existing employees by 25% or 50% more to do. But that will cycle through, and as they lose people to competitors who are more farsighted, hiring will grow. After the election - no matter who wins - hiring is going up.
Yep. Can always be better, but nothing but bad times here....right?
And this remains: "And on the subject, could someone tell me what Obama's policy is responsible for this "recovery" we are in". Let's hear what Obama has done to improve the economy.
As for me, I didn't get nailed in this recession. But I sure have seen those that have, and if you talk to those people they are asking the same questions I am. As should you and everyone.
Quote from: guido911 on October 16, 2012, 02:33:05 AM
And this remains: "And on the subject, could someone tell me what Obama's policy is responsible for this "recovery" we are in". Let's hear what Obama has done to improve the economy.
The stimulus. Unemployment extensions. The temporary payroll tax cut. The auto bailout. Those and TARP likely prevented the collapse from being much worse than it would otherwise have been, based on recoveries from previous systemic crises. The recovery stalled when Republicans threw that debt ceiling bomb into the room and obstinately refuse to provide any more money for recovery measures to make up for the two missing factors that are present in most recoveries but have heretofore been relatively limited in this one: Housing and Exports.
Exports are great relative to the 2001 recession, but compared to earlier ones, the recovery has been worse than average, largely due to the even poorer economic conditions in much of the rest of the world combined with the flight to safety that has been keeping the dollar relatively high.
Before you pooh pooh the idea that the stimulus helped, go find one of the many versions of the Obama team's 2009 stimulus graph with actual unemployment also plotted. Then note that if you adjust the peak to match the actual unemployment peak, it's nearly spot on. The effect was there, but the starting point was much worse than was apparent at the time, so the prediction was a bust. That in no way indicates a failure of the policy to perform.
If you want to pump out a sump you think is filled with 250 gallons of water in half an hour and thus use a 500 gph pump, it is in no way a failure of the pump if it takes an hour to pump out what turns out to actually be 500 gallons. Sadly, we in effect decided to turn the pump off at the 30 minute mark and complain that the bucking pump didn't work because we've still got 250 gallons of water in the damn sump.
There's a reason both Republicans and Democrats have supported stimulus legislation in the past. There's a reason even Paul Ryan requested stimulus money for his district. It works, whether it pleases you ideologically or not.
Quote from: guido911 on October 16, 2012, 02:33:05 AM
And this remains: "And on the subject, could someone tell me what Obama's policy is responsible for this "recovery" we are in". Let's hear what Obama has done to improve the economy.
As for me, I didn't get nailed in this recession. But I sure have seen those that have, and if you talk to those people they are asking the same questions I am. As should you and everyone.
I do ask those questions - about how we could lose so many jobs by shipping them overseas - and have answered - it is due to the job export policies of the last 3 decades. And it is due to the efforts of BOTH sides. As I have said over and over.
As for the policies - you have heard it. You have understood it. You reject reality, 'cause it doesn't fit your paradigm of The Script - and that will never allow you to openly admit the reality. It has been answered over and over - most recently, very well by nathan just previous to this. Never a rational, thought out, reasoned reply - just a continued mouthing of The Script.
We have a well known, well documented track record of recession/recovery in this country since the '30s. The big problem with this one - and it is the ONLY one we have done this with...ever - is the fact that we did not pursue the same tax policy that ALL the previous cycles pursued. And that was started in Bush's term, and continued in Obama's - done in Bush's term due to a lack of brains, and continued in Obama's due to a lack of will.
You ignore the effects of turning a 250 billion surplus into a 250 billion deficit. You fixate on the record number of food stamp recipients, while ignoring the facts of how they become eligible. You obsess about people not paying taxes (even though the reality is VERY different), while ignoring the reasons behind the appearance. You appear to adhere (through your Romney support) to the idea that 47% - the lowest income workers and retired and military - are slackers not worthy of consideration. (And yes, Romney did say what he meant.)
http://marklevinshow.com/goout.asp?u=http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/every-person-added-labor-force-10-added-those-not-labor-force_654547.html
Yes, things may not be bad for the "one", but for 10 others, not so much.
Oops, I guess.
Charity president unhappy about Paul Ryan soup kitchen 'photo op'http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/15/charity-president-unhappy-about-paul-ryan-soup-kitchen-photo-op/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/15/charity-president-unhappy-about-paul-ryan-soup-kitchen-photo-op/)
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QuoteThe head of a northeast Ohio charity says that the Romney campaign last week "ramrodded their way" into the group's Youngstown soup kitchen so that GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan could get his picture taken washing dishes in the dining hall.
Brian J. Antal, president of the Mahoning County St. Vincent De Paul Society, said that he was not contacted by the Romney campaign ahead of the Saturday morning visit by Ryan, who stopped by the soup kitchen after a town hall at Youngstown State University.
"We're a faith-based organization; we are apolitical because the majority of our funding is from private donations," Antal said in a phone interview Monday afternoon. "It's strictly in our bylaws not to do it. They showed up there, and they did not have permission. They got one of the volunteers to open up the doors."
He added: "The photo-op they did wasn't even accurate. He did nothing. He just came in here to get his picture taken at the dining hall."
Ryan had stopped by the soup kitchen for about 15 minutes on his way to the airport after his Saturday morning town hall in Youngstown. By the time he arrived, the food had already been served, the patrons had left, and the hall had been cleaned.
Upon entering the soup kitchen, Ryan, his wife and three young children greeted and thanked several volunteers, then donned white aprons and offered to clean some dishes. Photographers snapped photos and TV cameras shot footage of Ryan and his family washing pots and pans that did not appear to be dirty.
According to a Romney aide not authorized to speak publicly about the event, the campaign followed its usual protocol for impromptu, on-the-road stops by candidates: A staffer was dispatched to the St. Vincent De Paul Society ahead of Ryan's visit Saturday morning and spoke with a woman in charge on site, who said that it would be fine for the congressman to stop by. The campaign did not contact Antal ahead of the visit.
The woman on site told the Romney staffer that some of the volunteers had already left, but that most were happy to remain until Ryan arrived, according to the aide. After Ryan left the soup kitchen, the woman approached a campaign staffer and expressed gratitude for Ryan's visit, the aide said.
Chris Maloney, Ohio communications director for the Romney campaign, said that the visit by Ryan had been intended to highlight the work of the soup kitchen volunteers.
"Our campaign and Congressman Ryan were pleased to bring attention to the meaningful charitable contributions the St. Vincent De Paul Society makes to people in need," Maloney said.
Antal, a self-described independent voter, said that he "can't fault my volunteers" for letting the campaign in but said that the campaign "didn't go through the proper channels."
He noted that the soup kitchen relies on funding from private individuals who might reconsider their support if it appears that the charity is favoring one political candidate over another.
"I can't afford to lose funding from these private individuals," he said. "If this was the Democrats, I'd have the same exact problem."
He added that the incident had caused him "all kinds of grief" and that regardless of whether Ryan had intended to serve food to patrons or wash dishes, he would not have allowed the visit to take place.
"Had they asked for permission, it wouldn't have been granted. ... But I certainly wouldn't have let him wash clean pans, and then take a picture," Antal said.
The Romney campaigns "Big Bird" moment?
Quote from: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 09:29:32 AM
The Romney campaigns "Big Bird" moment?
The "Big Bird Lie". One side is deceiving us about a Muppet and the other is deceiving us about wanting to help the poor and underprivileged.
So there's a poo fight between the Obama-leaning director of the soup kitchen and the Romney-leaning anonymous woman who allowed them in. ::)
Obama has a scrap book full of photo ops like this, including the stunt of flying AF-1 around NYC at a hefty cost to tax payers.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 16, 2012, 09:54:37 AM
Obama has a scrap book full of photo ops like this, including the stunt of flying AF-1 around NYC at a hefty cost to tax payers.
Old news. There's newness to this particular politician pretending to give a rat's rectum.
"Catholic charities what now?"
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Quote from: Townsend on October 16, 2012, 10:04:22 AM
Old news. There's newness to this particular politician pretending to give a rat's rectum.
"Catholic charities what now?"
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"Hey look! Something else shiny to keep the public's eye off what a poor leader President Obama has been!!!"
Quote from: Conan71 on October 16, 2012, 10:10:12 AM
"Hey look! Something else shiny to keep the public's eye off what a poor leader President Obama has been!!!"
Hey look, hoping that anything can keep the loons on the conservative side of the spectrum farther from the ability to change laws that effect me.
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Quote from: Townsend on October 16, 2012, 10:31:24 AM
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Awesomeness!
Quote from: Conan71 on October 16, 2012, 10:10:12 AM
"Hey look! Something else shiny to keep the public's eye off what a poor leader President Obama has been!!!"
You say this about everything. Every time anyone mentions any thing about Ryan or Romney, you say it is just a diversion.
Yes it is shiny. It even reflects what terrible candidates the republicans have nominated.
Romney Tax Plan
For a detailed explanation of how the Romney-Ryan tax plan is able to cut taxes by $5 trillion without raising taxes on the middle class or exploding the deficit:
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/ (http://www.romneytaxplan.com/)
Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 16, 2012, 11:00:27 AM
You say this about everything. Every time anyone mentions any thing about Ryan or Romney, you say it is just a diversion.
Yes it is shiny. It even reflects what terrible candidates the republicans have nominated.
President and candidate Obama never participated in staged photo ops? Probably every presidential candidate has done this since the invention of cameras, yet we've never heard a stink over it.
I understand 23 million discouraged workers, not cutting the deficit in half as promised, and high gas prices are embarrassing statistics.
So it would make sense to slam the VP candidate for a staged photo op. Because that's really important to fixing the economy, cutting the deficit, and creating sensible energy policy.
He charged into a soup kitchen. What a low life!
Quote from: Townsend on October 16, 2012, 11:29:05 AM
Romney Tax Plan
For a detailed explanation of how the Romney-Ryan tax plan is able to cut taxes by $5 trillion without raising taxes on the middle class or exploding the deficit:
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/ (http://www.romneytaxplan.com/)
That is funny smile right there.
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 12:23:56 PM
That is funny smile right there.
To Obama supporters, "hope" is a detail.
Quote from: Townsend on October 16, 2012, 11:29:05 AM
Romney Tax Plan
For a detailed explanation of how the Romney-Ryan tax plan is able to cut taxes by $5 trillion without raising taxes on the middle class or exploding the deficit:
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/ (http://www.romneytaxplan.com/)
So how long will this falsehood be perpetrated. Where is the outrage... ::)
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/10/does-romneys-tax-plan-really-cost-5-trillion-not-at-all/263393/#
http://www.forbes.com/sites/leonardburman/2012/10/04/about-mitt-romneys-5-trillion-tax-cut/
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/04/cutter_concedes_5_trillion_attack_on_romney_is_not_true.html
Quote from: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 12:53:19 PM
To Obama supporters, "hope" is a detail.
That's why there ain't much "hope" in Romney's (lack of) tax plan.
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 12:58:33 PM
That's why there ain't much "hope" in Romney's (lack of) tax plan.
Only in politics can this criticism continue. Pot, meat kettle.
What is a "meat kettle"?
Quote from: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 12:58:00 PM
So how long will this falsehood be perpetrated. Where is the outrage... ::)
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/10/does-romneys-tax-plan-really-cost-5-trillion-not-at-all/263393/#
http://www.forbes.com/sites/leonardburman/2012/10/04/about-mitt-romneys-5-trillion-tax-cut/
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/04/cutter_concedes_5_trillion_attack_on_romney_is_not_true.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitt-romneys-tax-mythology-made-simple/2012/10/10/6f09c24a-1306-11e2-9a39-1f5a7f6fe945_blog.html
Then, Paul Ryan says 'I don't have the time' to explain the tax plan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PM66-SxHDu0
Quote from: carltonplace on October 16, 2012, 01:02:50 PM
What is a "meat kettle"?
Not quite sure, but a bacon kettle would sure be OK if Romney can include a guaranteed one for every family once a month!
Like a chicken in every pot.
Chicken in pot = meat kettle
Quote from: carltonplace on October 16, 2012, 01:02:50 PM
What is a "meat kettle"?
Must have other things...bacon...on my mind. :)
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 01:03:17 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitt-romneys-tax-mythology-made-simple/2012/10/10/6f09c24a-1306-11e2-9a39-1f5a7f6fe945_blog.html
Then, Paul Ryan says 'I don't have the time' to explain the tax plan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PM66-SxHDu0
I think anyone that follows politics period would understand that a tax cut does not necessarily equal a reduction in revenues to the federal government. It is not a zero sum game. Granted, there are a zillion other parts that go into the equation. Now, if someone was being genuine, they would just say I have no clue how much this is going to cost, I just believe this will make things better for our citizens.
And on top of that, I can't stand it when they say tax cuts "cost". The right way would be tax cuts "save" and tax increases "cost". Calling a cut a cost just shows me that they are worried about starving the beast. Can't have that happen.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 16, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
.... not cutting the deficit in half as promised....
Repeating "the lie" just like gaspar.....the only part you missed was saying that it doubled or tripled in the last 3 years.
Quote from: carltonplace on October 16, 2012, 01:02:50 PM
What is a "meat kettle"?
Slang for Dutch oven?
Or a really nasty hooker.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on October 16, 2012, 01:36:35 PM
Repeating "the lie" just like gaspar.....the only part you missed was saying that it doubled or tripled in the last 3 years.
Yes, he spews this lie at about 1:08
I just love Obama in his own words.
Oh hell, now that notoriously conservative hack, Tom Brokaw, is even perpetrating The Lie.
There are three phases to losing an argument:
1st The loser begins to raise their voice or dominate the conversation.
2nd The loser shifts from attacking the position of his/her opponent to attacking on a personal level (beliefs, family, race, religion).
3rd and finally, the loser ignores the argument completely and simply claims that his/her opponent is a lier, hopefully forcing his/her opponent to take the defensive.
Phase 3 is last ditch, and it seems that the Obama administration is firmly planted on that base.
Quote from: Gaspar on October 16, 2012, 02:22:36 PM
There are three phases to losing an argument:
1st The loser begins to raise their voice or dominate the conversation.
2nd The loser shifts from attacking the position of his/her opponent to attacking on a personal level (beliefs, family, race, religion).
3rd and finally, the loser ignores the argument completely and simply claims that his/her opponent is a lier, hopefully forcing his/her opponent to take the defensive.
Phase 3 is last ditch, and it seems that the Obama administration is firmly planted on that base.
Wow. I'm amazed you keep vertical sometimes, Scott. The lies perpetuated by Romney/Ryan have been pretty well documented. Well, if you can call them lies, because they won't be depending on the time of day for Mr. Romney. No one knows what his position will be on any number of issues at any one given time.
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 02:29:56 PM
Wow. I'm amazed you keep vertical sometimes, Scott. The lies perpetuated by Romney/Ryan have been pretty well documented. Well, if you can call them lies, because they won't be depending on the time of day for Mr. Romney. No one knows what his position will be on any number of issues at any one given time.
I think President Obama should focus on that don't you?
In fact, if Romney's lying is so egregious, wouldn't' it make sense for the President to make that the entire focus of his attack tonight?
Of course when you attack on that basis, it requires details. You can't simply point and scream lier.
If indeed, Romney is so divergent from the truth, I expect President Obama's supporters to be very upset if he fails to point that out.
If he is incapable of mounting an attack against such obvious and well documented fabrication, then he is certainly even more inept than anyone could imagine, and therefore unfit for public office.
Wouldn't' you agree?
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 02:29:56 PM
Wow. I'm amazed you keep vertical sometimes, Scott. The lies perpetuated by Romney/Ryan have been pretty well documented. Well, if you can call them lies, because they won't be depending on the time of day for Mr. Romney. No one knows what his position will be on any number of issues at any one given time.
If this race were determined by who lied less I believe it would be a toss up. Keeping track would be futile. All Gas is pointing out is the strategy of the campaign. Where it seems Obama's tactic is "liar, liar pants on fire", the Romney team seems to focused on what Obama is actually doing and how there "solutions" (arguably I understand) will be better for the country.
Quote from: Gaspar on October 16, 2012, 02:42:54 PM
I think President Obama should focus on that don't you?
In fact, if Romney's lying is so egregious, wouldn't' it make sense for the President to make that the entire focus of his attack tonight?
Of course when you attack on that basis, it requires details. You can't simply point and scream lier.
If indeed, Romney is so divergent from the truth, I expect President Obama's supporters to be very upset if he fails to point that out.
If he is incapable of mounting an attack against such obvious and well documented fabrication, then he is certainly even more inept than anyone could imagine, and therefore unfit for public office.
Wouldn't' you agree?
It's the flip-flopping, Scott. He changed his views on abortion twice IN 24 HOURS. So is he for or against it?
How about OBomneyCare? Will he or won't he end the restriction on pre-existing conditions? One day he says he won't, then his advisers walk it all back.
Face it. You guys have picked the most wishy-washy candidate probably in modern history. But you don't care. As long as the incumbent is gone, you'll take it.
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 02:49:20 PM
It's the flip-flopping, Scott. He changed his views on abortion twice IN 24 HOURS. So is he for or against it?
How about OBomneyCare? Will he or won't he end the restriction on pre-existing conditions? One day he says he won't, then his advisers walk it all back.
Face it. You guys have picked the most wishy-washy candidate probably in modern history. But you don't care. As long as the incumbent is gone, you'll take it.
Again, Obama isn't exactly the paragon of consistency.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/republican-security-council/the-top-10-obama-flip-flops-by-ari-fleischer/171275079638338
Quote from: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 02:51:39 PM
Again, Obama isn't exactly the paragon of consistency.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/republican-security-council/the-top-10-obama-flip-flops-by-ari-fleischer/171275079638338
wow, because Fleischer is the epitome of non-partisanship. LOL.
Quote from: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 02:51:39 PM
Again, Obama isn't exactly the paragon of consistency.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/republican-security-council/the-top-10-obama-flip-flops-by-ari-fleischer/171275079638338
You left off the biggest flip of all--gay marriage.
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 02:49:20 PM
It's the flip-flopping, Scott. He changed his views on abortion twice IN 24 HOURS. So is he for or against it?
How about OBomneyCare? Will he or won't he end the restriction on pre-existing conditions? One day he says he won't, then his advisers walk it all back.
Face it. You guys have picked the most wishy-washy candidate probably in modern history. But you don't care. As long as the incumbent is gone, you'll take it.
So is he lying or are his positions evolving? Can't have it both ways.
Either way, I think President Obama should focus on that, don't you?
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 02:52:26 PM
wow, because Fleischer is the epitome of non-partisanship. LOL.
Never mind the content, as usual.
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 02:52:26 PM
wow, because Fleischer is the epitome of non-partisanship. LOL.
From the guy who just linked to an article written by Nate freakin Silver. ::)
Quote from: Gaspar on October 16, 2012, 02:56:48 PM
So is he lying or are his positions evolving? Can't have it both ways.
Either way, I think President Obama should focus on that, don't you?
You obviously skipped the part where I asked if the lies could really be called them, due to the flip flopping.
Quote from: guido911 on October 16, 2012, 02:53:43 PM
You left off the biggest flip of all--gay marriage.
When did that happen, that link was kind of old.
Quote from: guido911 on October 16, 2012, 02:58:03 PM
From the guy who just linked to an article written by Nate freakin Silver. ::)
Last two election cycles his 538 blog has been demonstratively on the money. but ignore it if you will...oh, wait...you will.
::)
Quote from: guido911 on October 16, 2012, 02:58:03 PM
From the guy who just linked to an article written by Nate freakin Silver. ::)
It's all in the eye of the beholder.
Do not get fooled again by Ari Fleischer...it might cost us another couple of trillion dollars.
Do not mistaken compromise for flip flopping.
Quote from: guido911 on October 16, 2012, 02:53:43 PM
You left off the biggest flip of all--gay marriage.
I didn't see GITMO?
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Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 02:58:48 PM
Last two election cycles his 538 blog has been demonstratively on the money. but ignore it if you will...oh, wait...you will.
::)
Someone learned a new word. (http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/taxidriver.gif)
Quote from: Gaspar on October 16, 2012, 02:42:54 PM
Of course when you attack on that basis, it requires details. You can't simply point and scream lier.
This cat disagrees.
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Quote from: Townsend on October 16, 2012, 03:07:10 PM
This cat disagrees.
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-prn1/50556_286995051542_6103_n.jpg)
Touche, however, I doubt Obama would have given him his "chance" to elaborate. ;)
But he was right...
http://www.louisville.com/content/looks-rep-joe-wilson-was-right-after-all-obama-lied-arena
Quote from: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 03:12:04 PM
Touche, however, I doubt Obama would have given him his "chance" to elaborate. ;)
But he was right...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html)
QuoteThe non-partisan organization FactCheck.org has debunked the claim that health care reform would mandate coverage for illegal immigrants.
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During President Obama's major health care speech on Wednesday, South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson (R) yelled out "You lie!" when the President said the legislation would not mandate coverage for undocumented immigrants.
Quote from: Townsend on October 16, 2012, 03:16:12 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html)
Factcheck debunked something that was not even law. What I said was that time has come to show that Wilson was right.
Hoss was almost there. . .
(http://thisweconfess.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/hit-the-nail-on-the-head.jpg)
I guess this is what I'm getting at.
President Obama can't criticize Romney for flip-floping, because that opens the debate to his own flops that translated directly into policy.
President Obama can't criticize Romney on economics, foreign policy, domestic policy, jobs, healthcare, or anything for that matter.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/?page=3
Each of these subjects offers a policy position(s) for Romney, but each also harbors a policy failure for President Obama.
It is best if Obama simply find a way to keep him on the ropes with subjects like abortion, or force him into a corner with tax cuts, or paint him as cruel and insensitive. If all else fails, simply point and scream LIER!
Quote from: Gaspar on October 16, 2012, 03:03:41 PM
I didn't see GITMO?
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s720x720/374620_171275426304970_527540881_n.jpg)
It was in there, lumped in with the flips on numerous Boosh policies.
Quote from: Gaspar on October 16, 2012, 03:23:22 PM
Hoss was almost there. . .
(http://thisweconfess.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/hit-the-nail-on-the-head.jpg)
I guess this is what I'm getting at.
President Obama can't criticize Romney for flip-floping, because that opens the debate to his own flops that translated directly into policy.
President Obama can't criticize Romney on economics, foreign policy, domestic policy, jobs, healthcare, or anything for that matter.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/?page=3
Each of these subjects offers a policy position(s) for Romney, but each also harbors a policy failure for President Obama.
It is best if Obama simply find a way to keep him on the ropes with subjects like abortion, or force him into a corner with tax cuts, or paint him as cruel and insensitive. If all else fails, simply point and scream LIER!
That was my thinking why the President probably played it right on that matter during the debate. He is walking a very thin line.
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 02:49:20 PM
It's the flip-flopping, Scott. He changed his views on abortion twice IN 24 HOURS. So is he for or against it?
How about OBomneyCare? Will he or won't he end the restriction on pre-existing conditions? One day he says he won't, then his advisers walk it all back.
Face it. You guys have picked the most wishy-washy candidate probably in modern history. But you don't care. As long as the incumbent is gone, you'll take it.
It's not Romney that's confusing near as much as it's the damn reporting which is confusing. You can read accounts of a Romney speech from five or six different sources and it's interpreted as something entirely different by each source.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 16, 2012, 03:32:53 PM
It's not Romney that's confusing near as much as it's the damn reporting which is confusing. You can read accounts of a Romney speech from five or six different sources and it's interpreted as something entirely different by each source.
From a Romney senior advisor this morning: "If he doesn't give a vigorous enough defence of his last four years in office, if he tries to place blame everywhere else, if he doesn't articulate what the next four years will look like beyond just giving away free stuff - if he fumbles all that, he drives a stake through his own heart."
It's going to be a tough performance, especially in a town hall format without a teleprompter.
The 08 Town hall with McCain was the moment my wife said "He's gonna do what?" In his own words, Obama's policies are indefensible.
Quote from: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 03:55:13 PM
The 08 Town hall with McCain was the moment my wife said "He's gonna do what?"
Gladys Kravitz voice?
Where are the howls calling Biden a liar?
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/16/state_department_official_negotiations_to_extend_us_troop_presence_in_afghanistan_s
Quote from: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 04:06:50 PM
Where are the howls calling Biden a liar?
Why are you asking us?
Quote from: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 04:06:50 PM
Where are the howls calling Biden a liar?
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/16/state_department_official_negotiations_to_extend_us_troop_presence_in_afghanistan_s
I don't think Biden's a lier. I think he's just not well informed. He bungled his way through the debate with mirthless laughter and general douchebagary. He had no idea what he was saying. Didn't even know his own administrations tax proposal.
A lie requires a divergence from a known truth. Biden is a clown, and you can't fault a clown for pointless activity.
Quote from: Gaspar on October 16, 2012, 04:20:03 PM
I don't think Biden's a lier. I think he's just not well informed. He bungled his way through the debate with mirthless laughter and general douchebagary. He had no idea what he was saying. Didn't even know his own administrations tax proposal he is the vice president of the United States.
A lie requires a divergence from a known truth. Biden is a clown, and you can't fault a clown for pointless activity.
FIFY
Quote from: Townsend on October 16, 2012, 04:10:49 PM
Why are you asking us?
Where are the dozens of editorials calling Biden a liar?It's not like that was the only whopper he told. He does have an ingenious defense. He can claim ignorance and not a sole would argue with that.
Quote from: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 04:32:58 PM
Where are the dozens of editorials calling Biden a liar. He does have an ingenious defense. He can claim ignorance and not a sole would argue with that.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/Lined_sole.jpg/250px-Lined_sole.jpg)
Sorry, I couldn't resist. I AM the forum police, so I have to take on a sub-role as the grammar/spelling police.
:o
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 04:34:30 PM
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Sorry, I couldn't resist. I AM the forum police, so I have to take on a sub-role as the grammar/spelling police.
:o
You know what a sole out of water does, don't you?
Flip flops.
Well played double entendre, Hoss.
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 04:34:30 PM
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Sorry, I couldn't resist. I AM the forum police, so I have to take on a sub-role as the grammar/spelling police.
:o
Me and the english language have an understanding, I don't try to do it's job, and it doesn't try to do mine. ;D
Quote from: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 04:40:31 PM
Me and the english language have an understanding, I don't try to do it's job, and it doesn't try to do mine. ;D
That's patently obvious.
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 04:40:54 PM
That's patently obvious.
If only I was a politician, I would be a perfect VP candidate. I could just blame everything on my lack of comprehension of the English language. ;)
Quote from: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 04:46:11 PM
If only I was a politician, I would be a perfect VP candidate. I could just blame everything on my lack of comprehension of the English language. ;)
I don't know. How do you spell potato(e)?
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 04:48:02 PM
I don't know. How do you spell potato(e)?
Corpse-men
Quote from: erfalf on October 16, 2012, 04:55:42 PM
Corpse-men
Can you keep crib-notes on your hand? Wait a minute....
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 04:57:05 PM
Can you keep crib-notes on your hand? Wait a minute....
Mitt Romney Campaign Says Candidate Had A Handkerchief, Not A Cheat Sheet, At The Debatehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/mitt-romney-handkerchief-cheat-sheet-debate_n_1942790.html
QuoteThe internet produced a theory on Friday that at Wednesday night's debate, Mitt Romney snuck a cheat sheet filled with notes on stage. The evidence comes from the first few seconds of the debate, during which Romney takes something out of his pocket and casually tosses it on to the lectern.
Shameney!
Quote from: Townsend on October 16, 2012, 04:59:11 PM
Mitt Romney Campaign Says Candidate Had A Handkerchief, Not A Cheat Sheet, At The Debate
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/mitt-romney-handkerchief-cheat-sheet-debate_n_1942790.html
Shameney!
Haha!
Just waiting for it to be over...
Quote from: Hoss on October 16, 2012, 05:01:14 PM
Just waiting for it to be over...
Definitely not posted by a true redneck. Sheep not goat. Don't ask me how I know my sheep.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 16, 2012, 10:30:11 PM
Definitely not posted by a true redneck. Sheep not goat. Don't ask me how I know my sheep.
Surprised you recognize it from the front.
Quote from: Gaspar on October 17, 2012, 08:17:26 AM
Surprised you recognize it from the front.
Wow...nicely done!
THE ELECTION IS OVER!
HONEY BOo BOo HAS OFFICIALLY ENDORSED BARACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/honey-boo-boo-endorses-obama_654673.html
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1168481.1348663089!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/honey-boo-boo.jpg)
No details on whether she will join him on the campaign trail yet.
This should bring in the all-important Clinton Arkansas vote.
Quote from: Gaspar on October 17, 2012, 08:35:40 AM
HONEY BOo BOo HAS OFFICIALLY ENDORSED BARACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT
It's super you keep up with her but I don't think that's very important.
Quote from: Townsend on October 17, 2012, 09:20:43 AM
It's super you keep up with her but I don't think that's very important.
Maybe not for you, just sayin...
Quote from: Townsend on October 17, 2012, 09:20:43 AM
It's super you keep up with her but I don't think that's very important.
You thought the Lohan endorsement was important? just sayin.
Quote from: guido911 on October 17, 2012, 03:57:23 PM
You thought the Lohan endorsement was important? just sayin.
When it comes to Romney? Oh my yes. Look at the other places to get info about him. Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingram...Lohan is so much more credible.
Quote from: Townsend on October 17, 2012, 04:00:38 PM
When it comes to Romney? Oh my yes. Look at the other places to get info about him. Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingram...Lohan is so much more credible.
The only place to get info on Romney is from right wingers? What does that tell you about the media as a whole? Or where you are looking.... :D
Quote from: guido911 on October 17, 2012, 04:07:57 PM
The only place to get info on Romney is from right wingers? What does that tell you about the media as a whole? Or where you are looking.... :D
Mostly here and NPR/slate/twitter.
This will be the day that we can start referring to our President by his middle name....
Unless we get pushed into another over time due to shenanigans at the voting booths....
Quote from: Teatownclown on October 22, 2012, 02:32:06 PM
This will be the day that we can start referring to our President by his middle name....
Unless we get pushed into another over time due to shenanigans at the voting booths....
There is no such thing as voter fraud.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 22, 2012, 02:53:05 PM
There is no such thing as voter fraud.
Polling fraud and electoral fraud.
Voter fraud would've been too hard to have ever existed in anything but minuscule amounts.
Quote from: Conan71 on October 22, 2012, 02:53:05 PM
There is no such thing as voter fraud.
Who said anything about "voter fraud?"
I am referring to "election official fraud!"
Figures you won't recognize the difference.
Quote from: Teatownclown on October 22, 2012, 02:57:55 PM
Who said anything about "voter fraud?"
I am referring to "election official fraud!"
Figures you won't recognize the difference.
It all accomplishes the same result: stealing an election.
Quote from: Townsend on October 22, 2012, 02:56:40 PM
Polling fraud and electoral fraud.
Voter fraud would've been too hard to have ever existed in anything but minuscule amounts.
I've read otherwise in the 1960 presidential campaign.
When people go to the polls two weeks from now they won't just be voting for candidates, in some states, they'll be passing judgment on social issues. In Oregon, Washington and the Rocky Mountain state of Colorado it's the legalization of marijuana. Part of this has to do with cash-starved governments looking for new things to tax for more revenue. But much of it has to do with the growing acceptance or at least tolerance for a drug that was once considered the devil's weed and a flashpoint for cultural and generational warfare.
Seventeen states have now legalized its medical use for the treatment of things like glaucoma, the effects of chemotherapy, and chronic pain; defying federal laws that still consider marijuana more dangerous than cocaine and methamphetamine. If you want to know what legalized marijuana might look like, the place to go is Colorado, which has the most developed medical marijuana industry in the country.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57536827/medical-marijuana-will-colorados-green-rush-last/