Sept 4th - 6th in Charlotte, NC
http://www.demconvention.com/ (http://www.demconvention.com/)
So if the RNC was based on "you didn't build that":
Quote"Look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own," he said. "You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.
"If you've got a business -- you didn't build that," he continued. "Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own."
Will the DNC be based on "I like to fire people"?
Quote"I want people to be able to own insurance if they wish to, and to buy it for themselves and perhaps keep it for the rest of their life, and to choose among different policies offered from companies across the nation. I want individuals to have their own insurance. That means the insurance company will have an incentive to keep you healthy.
"It also means if you don't like what they do, you can fire them. I like being able to fire people who provide services to me. If someone doesn't give me the good service I need, I'm going to go get somebody else to provide that service to me."
I like that post. It shows the real common sense approach that each candidate spoke. To show the insanity of political machines and how they pervert our system, you should now show the opposing party's spin of these remarks.
Anyone who doesn't understand what is happening after reading their remarks and comparing them to how they were bastardized, should not be voting this year.
Quote from: AquaMan on August 31, 2012, 09:57:07 AM
Anyone who doesn't understand what is happening after reading their remarks and comparing them to how they were bastardized, should not be voting this year.
27 of us would be deciding the election.
I just looked at the scheduled speakers.
I'm pretty sure I'm skipping this one too.
Clint's speaking at this one too?
Ooh! John Kerry. Guess I won't need a Doxylamine that night.
Quote from: Townsend on August 31, 2012, 10:47:07 AM
27 of us would be deciding the election.
So be it. However, you haven't discounted for lack of photo ID's. Whoever is left, rules. No pun intended.
I saw on the Kudlow Report tonight that Mary Fallin is going to be a part of a group of 50 GOP people going to Charolette to disrupt the DNC. Any truth to that?
Just read there is apparently a race to the New Orleans area following Isaac between Mitt and Barry in order to see you seems to care the most. Dumb.
Quote from: dbacks fan on August 31, 2012, 07:09:06 PM
I saw on the Kudlow Report tonight that Mary Fallin is going to be a part of a group of 50 GOP people going to Charolette to disrupt the DNC. Any truth to that?
Gov. Mary Fallin will take GOP message to Democratic convention cityhttp://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=688&articleid=20120831_16_A8_TAMPAF143933
QuoteTAMPA, Fla. - Gov. Mary Fallin, who has spent the week on stage and off promoting the Republican presidential ticket, plans to crash the Democrats' party in North Carolina next week.
Fallin has agreed to go to Charlotte, at the expense of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign, to make counterpoints to messages coming out of the Democratic National Convention.
Democratic elected officials have been doing the same thing here. Vice President Joe Biden had planned to come here but canceled the trip because of the tropical storm that turned into Hurricane Isaac.
Fallin said: "President Obama and his party are going to be in Charlotte next week touting what they believe are their successes. It's important for our elected officials and party spokesmen to remind the American people of the truth about their time in office, which has brought 42 straight months of unemployment over 8 percent and 23 million Americans unemployed or underemployed."
Thanks.
Quote from: guido911 on August 31, 2012, 07:28:15 PM
Just read there is apparently a race to the New Orleans area following Isaac between Mitt and Barry in order to see you seems to care the most. Dumb.
After the shellacking that Bush II got after Katrina, PR rules. It doesn't matter that there wasn't anything that could have prevented the disaster of Katrina or that local authorities didn't even follow their own procedures.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LW_ap6eDDSA/UEJlOWHPy5I/AAAAAAAA3oc/yLaEAXWNM-w/s1600/120901-obama-scupture-dnc-totus.jpg)
edited for accuracy. ;D
Oh, what's this?
(http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/the_breakfast_table/features/2012/_2012_republican_national_convention/senior_republican_officials_are_still_worrying_about_the_convention_s_message_/BT_entry16_middlephoto_420.jpg) ;)
Quote from: nathanm on September 01, 2012, 06:41:07 PM
Oh, what's this?
(http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/the_breakfast_table/features/2012/_2012_republican_national_convention/senior_republican_officials_are_still_worrying_about_the_convention_s_message_/BT_entry16_middlephoto_420.jpg) ;)
Only counts if it's Obama. Gweed's sad is showing.
"As usual, Jon Stewart knocks it well out of the ballpark."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/26/obama-teleprompter-sixth-grade-video_n_436406.html
Yep, really showing when he pulls out a two year old HuffPo article as it relates to the teleprompter. Nevermind that all politicians use it.
At least some can read.
Quote from: Hoss on September 01, 2012, 08:05:30 PM
Yep, really showing when he pulls out a two year old HuffPo article as it relates to the teleprompter. Nevermind that all politicians use it.
At least some can read.
Are you that dense that I quoted your old post about John Stewart and how he is ripping on the teleprompter issue? And as far as able to read, okay...
Corpseman:
Greater inefficiencies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKIfzoC8D0
Photoshopped?
(http://www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2012/08/Oiho-copy.jpg)
Looks like its that time again Hoss...
(http://www.waldsports.com/files/WaldSports/WALD_742_TW_500px.jpg)
Quote from: guido911 on September 01, 2012, 08:48:05 PM
Are you that dense that I quoted your old post about John Stewart and how he is ripping on the teleprompter issue? And as far as able to read, okay...
Corpseman:
Greater inefficiencies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKIfzoC8D0
Photoshopped?
(http://www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2012/08/Oiho-copy.jpg)
Looks like its that time again Hoss...
(http://www.waldsports.com/files/WaldSports/WALD_742_TW_500px.jpg)
Have you added me as your second stalking subject? Not sure whether to feel dirty or honored.
You also seem to have some sort of hangup with training wheels. Did your parents let you fall while teaching you to ride your bike or something? That might explain some things.
DNC convention agenda leaked:
QuoteCub Reporter Biff Spackle scoops the world with the tippity-top secret agenda for the DNC.
2012 Democrat National Convention
Schedule of Events
7:00 pm OPENING FLAG BURNING
7:15 pm PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED NATIONS
7:20 pm Max Baucus PROPOSES A TOAST TO Barack Obama
7:25 pm OPENING PRAYER - Reverend Jeremiah Wright
7:45 pm CEREMONIAL TREE HUGGING - Darryl Hannah
7:55 pm Max Baucus PROPOSES A TOAST TO Darryl Hannah
8:00 pm GLOBAL WARMING OMFG!!!!!!!!! - Al Gore
8:30 pm WHY FOURTH TRIMESTER ABORTIONS MATTER - Barbara Boxer
8:55 pm Max Baucus PROPOSES A TOAST TO Barbara Boxer
9:00 pm CHARGING OUR TROOPS WITH WAR CRIMES - John Kerry
9:30 pm MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR SADDAM HUSSEIN AND MUAMMAR GADDAFI - Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon
9:55 pm INCOHERENT RAMBLING ABOUT COWBOY POETRY, ETC. - Harry Reid
10:00 pm Max Baucus PROPOSES A TOAST TO Susan Sarandon
10:05 pm COLLECTION DRIVE FOR THE OSAMA BIN LADEN MEMORIAL FUND - Cher
10:30 pm FREE THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS FROM GUANTANAMO BAY - Sean Penn
11:00 pm OVAL OFFICE AFFAIRS - William Jefferson Clinton
11:45 pm Max Baucus PROPOSES A TOAST TO Susan Sarandon's Rack
11:50 pm A PLEA FOR MASS PARDONS OF THE OCCUPY WALL STREET RAPISTS - Howard Dean
12:15 am FREE THE MINUTEMEN IN AFGHANISTAN'S PRISONS - Michael Moore
12:25 am Max Baucus PROPOSES A TOAST TO Jessica Alba
12:30 am SATELLITE ADDRESS - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
12:45 am NOMINATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA - Nancy Pelosi
12:55 am Barack Obama ACCEPTS NOMINATION, GRAMMY, AND TONY AWARDS
1:15 am THE TRUE STORY: HOW I KILLED BIN LADEN - Barack Obama
1:25 am Max Baucus SINGS NATIONAL ANTHEM
1:30 am CORONATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
1:55 am Max Baucus PROPOSES A TOAST TO Mitt McRyan
2:00 am Bill Clinton asks Max Baucus to drive Hillary home.
Hat tips: Black Quill & Ink and 2008 Agenda for Democrat National Convention.
Is that the real agenda, Guido? You wouldn't be trying to mislead us, would you?
...and for those of you with more...cultural...inclinations, the TCC channel is running "Cat Women Of The Moon." Women in black tights! Hubba hubba!
Quote from: Ed W on September 02, 2012, 10:16:50 PM
Is that the real agenda, Guido? You wouldn't be trying to mislead us, would you?
...and for those of you with more...cultural...inclinations, the TCC channel is running "Cat Women Of The Moon." Women in black tights! Hubba hubba!
That might be like asking if...well...water is wet, Ed.
Quote from: Ed W on September 02, 2012, 10:16:50 PM
Is that the real agenda, Guido? You wouldn't be trying to mislead us, would you?
I'm busted.
Put on your pink fluffy handcuffs and an officer will be by to pick you up shortly. ;D
The fluffy cuffs with the ball gag and matching assless chaps. Oh great, now will we see that protesting outfit next?
(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5042aec06bb3f7950200000a-400-/barrons-cover.jpg)
Maybe we will get a glass half full picture from NC this week rather than the unpatriotic silence and the angry vitriol from last week in Tampa.
http://www.businessinsider.com/jpmorgan-go-outright-long-us-equities-2012-9
Quote from: Hoss on September 02, 2012, 10:27:43 PM
That might be like asking if...well...water is wet, Ed.
Dry steam is saturated steam that has been very slightly superheated. This is not sufficient to change its energy appreciably, but is a sufficient rise in temperature to avoid condensation problems, given the average loss in temperature across the steam supply circuit. Towards the end of the 19th century, when superheating was still a less than certain technology, such steam-drying gave the condensation-avoiding benefits of superheating without requiring the sophisticated boiler or lubrication techniques of full superheating.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superheated_steam
I hope it's not too hot in Charlotte.
Quote from: Red Arrow on September 03, 2012, 12:42:43 PM
Dry steam is saturated steam that has been very slightly superheated. This is not sufficient to change its energy appreciably, but is a sufficient rise in temperature to avoid condensation problems, given the average loss in temperature across the steam supply circuit. Towards the end of the 19th century, when superheating was still a less than certain technology, such steam-drying gave the condensation-avoiding benefits of superheating without requiring the sophisticated boiler or lubrication techniques of full superheating.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superheated_steam
I learn amazing things here.
Maybe I need to rethink this DNC thing.
QuoteThe delegate who was sanctioned Sunday reportedly tried to intervene when hotel staff called paramedics, arguing that the unconscious man had merely had too much to drink and ought to be put to bed. When he tried to move the man's motionless body, hotel staff called the police.
When officers arrived, the man allegedly claimed to be a member of Congress, before stating repeatedly that he was a state party official. Police threatened to arrest him when he refused to provide identification, and hotel staff threatened to kick him off the property. He later apologized and was allowed to remain in the hotel for the remainder of the night.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-dnc-california-delegate-disturbance-20120902,0,1786689.story
you guys won't like the fact that the Morons, should by some miracle of Smith they get into the White House, won't allow liquor.
Just reminding you to be consistent.
During the second term, we get a special home grown WH lawn weed.... :D
This is freakin hilarious. Kudos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7O_ADbgQ8k
Ooops...looks like the Repubs forgot to pay their bill. That seems par for the course.
http://palmettopublicrecord.org/2012/09/03/bummer-anti-dnc-rock-concert-canceled-because-nobody-bought-tickets/
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 31, 2012, 10:00:28 PM
After the shellacking that Bush II got after Katrina, PR rules. It doesn't matter that there wasn't anything that could have prevented the disaster of Katrina or that local authorities didn't even follow their own procedures.
Has Patrick Kennedy blamed President Obama for Hurricane Isaac yet? Remember Katrina was Bush's fault because he single-handedly was causing global warming.
QuoteTAMPA, Fla. - Gov. Mary Fallin, who has spent the week on stage and off promoting the Republican presidential ticket, plans to crash the Democrats' party in North Carolina next week.
Fallin has agreed to go to Charlotte, at the expense of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign, to make counterpoints to messages coming out of the Democratic National Convention.
Will she be in a tent after curfew? Maybe they will pepper-spray her for trespassing in a public park.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 04, 2012, 09:30:23 AM
Has Patrick Kennedy blamed President Obama for Hurricane Isaac yet? Remember Katrina was Bush's fault because he single-handedly was causing global warming.
No one ever said that Bush caused Hurricane Katrina. You sure seem to be loose with the facts to make your point. Are you sure that you are not still a republican?
Bush just mishandled the disaster response to Hurricane Katrina. The problem was way deeper than that.
When Bush created the Department of Homeland Security, he combined the Coast Guard, the Secret Service, Immigration Services, U.S. Customs, the Coast Guard, and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. He systematically fired or ran off most of the department level employees by putting them under political friends in a new department.
Almost all of the top managers of FEMA left all at once. He appointed a friend, (heck of a job, Brownie) Michael Brown who lied on his resume that he had "emergency services" responsibility while he was the assistant City Manager of Edmond, Oklahoma. Brown's job before this was as a officer in the International Arabian Horse Association.
Katrina happened, his appointee screwed up the response, and Bush's PR people sent out a press release showing the President responding by looking out a plane window flying back to D.C. from his vacation home in Texas.
So I hear that photo ID's are required to get anywhere near the DNC. Ironic.
Quote from: erfalf on September 04, 2012, 01:14:23 PM
So I hear that photo ID's are required to get anywhere near the DNC. Ironic.
They've initiated "Operation Empty Seats" and are changing venues for the President's speech. It's become obvious they will be unable to fill the Bank of America Bailout Stadium, in spite of giving away passes at bars last week. Citing "Bad Weather" they are going to move it to Time Warner Cable Arena, a venue 1/3 the size.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198206/Democrats-set-Obamas-big-speech-74-000-seater-outdoor-stadium-20-000-seater-indoor-arena.html#ixzz25WrxKeqF
Quote from: RecycleMichael on September 04, 2012, 12:43:56 PM
No one ever said that Bush caused Hurricane Katrina. You sure seem to be loose with the facts to make your point. Are you sure that you are not still a republican?
Bush just mishandled the disaster response to Hurricane Katrina. The problem was way deeper than that.
When Bush created the Department of Homeland Security, he combined the Coast Guard, the Secret Service, Immigration Services, U.S. Customs, the Coast Guard, and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. He systematically fired or ran off most of the department level employees by putting them under political friends in a new department.
Almost all of the top managers of FEMA left all at once. He appointed a friend, (heck of a job, Brownie) Michael Brown who lied on his resume that he had "emergency services" responsibility while he was the assistant City Manager of Edmond, Oklahoma. Brown's job before this was as a officer in the International Arabian Horse Association.
Katrina happened, his appointee screwed up the response, and Bush's PR people sent out a press release showing the President responding by looking out a plane window flying back to D.C. from his vacation home in Texas.
Sorry I mis-spoke. It was RFK Jr. who wrote a screed essentially blaming Bush's refusal (supposedly at the behest of then Mississippi governor Hailey Barbour) to sign the Kyoto Protocol for the severity of Katrina.
My apologies to Patrick Kennedy.
Cite?
Quote from: erfalf on September 04, 2012, 01:14:23 PM
So I hear that photo ID's are required to get anywhere near the DNC. Ironic.
Linky? Also, define 'anywhere near'. Pretty vague.
Quote from: Hoss on September 04, 2012, 03:59:41 PM
Linky? Also, define 'anywhere near'. Pretty vague.
Sorry.
Check out the section about picking up your credentials to get into the convention. And my mistake, not necessarily a photo ID I guess. I think the "story" had been exaggerated somewhat by the time I heard it. But you still need a state-issued ID.
http://www.demconvention.com/official-providers-distribution/
Quote from: erfalf on September 04, 2012, 04:42:52 PM
Sorry.
Check out the section about picking up your credentials to get into the convention. And my mistake, not necessarily a photo ID I guess. I think the "story" had been exaggerated somewhat by the time I heard it. But you still need a state-issued ID.
http://www.demconvention.com/official-providers-distribution/
And I'm sure it was likely the same at the RNC. But since the Republicans are the party of 'show us your papers', then it likely wasn't a huge deal to them.
Quote from: Hoss on September 04, 2012, 05:20:10 PM
And I'm sure it was likely the same at the RNC. But since the Republicans are the party of 'show us your papers', then it likely wasn't a huge deal to them.
Sorry, I didn't realize joking was not allowed on this forum anymore.
So far this is how the conventions are shaking out.
The Republicans are saying that the Democrats are making government too big.
The Democrats are saying that Republicans are hypocrites for not actually doing things that represent small government.
So in essence, both sides are calling the other side big government types. Gotta love politics.
Quote from: erfalf on September 04, 2012, 07:29:07 PM
So in essence, both sides are calling the other side big government types. Gotta love politics.
Great, isn't it? The sad thing is that the Democrats are largely correct on that particular issue. :(
Michelle Obama's speech last night was fantastic. That's how you kick off a campaign. It was a speech of praise for her husband and framed his political motivation based on a deep caring for his fellow man and his own family, but more importantly to me, she focused on the value of individual responsibility. She was marvelous. She's come a long way from never being proud of her country.
Michelle gave a valuable and historic speech, that was the most memorable element of the night. After that it was all down hill, with the same hype, blame, ridicule and fear mongering. In the intro video at the opening there was one phrase that I think sums up the modern Democrat party, and rings true of this administration: "Government is the only thing that we all belong to." Of course the Republicans are going to take everything away, and force women into servitude, put black people in chains, and kill the elderly. We didn't hear any new plans or see any new course plotted, just Forward.
I am anxious to hear Bill Clinton's address tonight. I was pleasantly surprised by Michelle's speech, and I'm sure that the introduction by Bill, a pro-growth Democrat, will also be uplifting. Bill's economic philosophy is so different from President Obama's, that I am hopeful Bill lays out some objectives in his address that President Obama will have to either address or adopt if elected to a second term. If the remaining speakers could just continue the tempo and theme started by Michelle and hopefully Bill, they may receive quite a bump.
Last night was the first time in my adult life that I've actually been proud of Michelle Obama.
I personally liked San Antonio mayor Julian Castro. Obviously, he's being groomed for bigger and better things much like Clinton's debut at the '88 convention and Obama's at the '04 convention. He said one thing when he was being interviewed that I'm surprised the Obama campaign didn't find as an obvious 2012 campaign slogan: "Change takes time".
This segment was painful to watch. How much longer will they allow this babbling idiot to be the voice of the DNC:
Quote from: Gaspar on September 05, 2012, 08:41:13 AM
Michelle Obama's speech last night was fantastic. That's how you kick off a campaign. It was a speech of praise for her husband and framed his political motivation based on a deep caring for his fellow man and his own family, but more importantly to me, she focused on the value of individual responsibility. She was marvelous. She's come a long way from never being proud of her country.
Michelle gave a valuable and historic speech, that was the most memorable element of the night. After that it was all down hill, with the same hype, blame, ridicule and fear mongering. In the intro video at the opening there was one phrase that I think sums up the modern Democrat party, and rings true of this administration: "Government is the only thing that we all belong to." Of course the Republicans are going to take everything away, and force women into servitude, put black people in chains, and kill the elderly. We didn't hear any new plans or see any new course plotted, just Forward.
I am anxious to hear Bill Clinton's address tonight. I was pleasantly surprised by Michelle's speech, and I'm sure that the introduction by Bill, a pro-growth Democrat, will also be uplifting. Bill's economic philosophy is so different from President Obama's, that I am hopeful Bill lays out some objectives in his address that President Obama will have to either address or adopt if elected to a second term. If the remaining speakers could just continue the tempo and theme started by Michelle and hopefully Bill, they may receive quite a bump.
Last night was the first time in my adult life that I've actually been proud of Michelle Obama.
Huh....
Given the new picture under his name, and the above post, I can only surmise that Gaspar has been kidnapped and a doppleganger has replaced him. Or he is stoned out of his mind, and I want some of what he has been smokin'.... (either barbeque OR the other stuff.)
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH OUR GASPAR???!!!! WE WANT HIM BACK NOW!!!
Have ransom demands been made yet??
Quote from: Gaspar on September 05, 2012, 08:41:13 AM
Bill's economic philosophy is so different from President Obama's, that I am hopeful Bill lays out some objectives in his address that President Obama will have to either address or adopt if elected to a second term.
As for that, I think the biggest difference between them is that while both understand the effects of tax cut/tax hike policy on economic recovery, only Bill was willing to implement what everyone knows should have been done. Obama's biggest Fail to date has been caving in on the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. We would have been in much better shape from a debt/deficit/recovery standpoint than we are now. Every other President (except Bush, of course) followed the correct plan, and things worked much better in every other case.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 05, 2012, 08:59:26 AM
I personally liked San Antonio mayor Julian Castro. Obviously, he's being groomed for bigger and better things much like Clinton's debut at the '88 convention and Obama's at the '04 convention. He said one thing when he was being interviewed that I'm surprised the Obama campaign didn't find as an obvious 2012 campaign slogan: "Change takes time".
This segment was painful to watch. How much longer will they allow this babbling idiot to be the voice of the DNC:
My wife said almost the same thing about Wasserface. "Why is she there?"
I think tonight will offer a big boost to the Democrats. Opening with a pro-growth guy like Bill Clinton can't do anything but fire up the base and bridge the divide between the moderates and progressives in the party, as well as the Clinton independents. If they can keep the theme of Clintonesque logic flowing throughout tonight's assembly without reverting back to the emotionocentric presentation of dispirit scenarios we saw last night, they'll hit a home run. Courting Clinton's praise and vision is about the smartest thing President Obama has done since taking office.
Of course we know there will be no follow through from this pageantry. The pro-growth private sector focused economic philosophy of the Clintons is simply too far from the pro-centralized / European economic philosophy and class warfare of the Obamas. At least if he wins, he will be more flexible for Vladimir, and have 4 more years of Golf without worrying about getting anything passed in Congress.
What is with the insistence that the word God be part of the party platform?
From wikipedia..."A party platform or platform is a list of the actions which a political party, individual candidate, or other organization supports to appeal to the general public for the purpose of having said peoples' candidates voted into political office or the professed opinion(s) proposed as part of law(s) or otherwise made into social policies.
This often takes the form of a list of support for, or opposition to, socially relevant, urgent, controversial, or complicated topics or issues. Individual topics, and a party's, person's, or organization's opinion on them are often called the "planks" of their platform in reference to a basic stage made out of boards or planks of wood, similar to what can be assembled for public speaking or debates to be held on."
It seemed to me a platform is a discussion of non-religious issues. That is exactly how I want my candidates and party to be discussing topics and issues. This is politics, not church. Demanding that God be included in the political statements is wrong to me.
On a positive note, there was no mention of the Devil either. Or aliens. Strange but true.
Quote from: AquaMan on September 05, 2012, 10:50:59 AM
On a positive note, there was no mention of the Devil either. Or aliens. Strange but true.
What about Elvis?
Surprise guest. He'll be dropping down from the rafters. Or plopping down...
Quote from: RecycleMichael on September 05, 2012, 10:45:01 AM
What is with the insistence that the word God be part of the party platform?
From wikipedia..."A party platform or platform is a list of the actions which a political party, individual candidate, or other organization supports to appeal to the general public for the purpose of having said peoples' candidates voted into political office or the professed opinion(s) proposed as part of law(s) or otherwise made into social policies.
This often takes the form of a list of support for, or opposition to, socially relevant, urgent, controversial, or complicated topics or issues. Individual topics, and a party's, person's, or organization's opinion on them are often called the "planks" of their platform in reference to a basic stage made out of boards or planks of wood, similar to what can be assembled for public speaking or debates to be held on."
It seemed to me a platform is a discussion of non-religious issues. That is exactly how I want my candidates and party to be discussing topics and issues. This is politics, not church. Demanding that God be included in the political statements is wrong to me.
I agree. Rather a ridiculous subject for criticism.
Republicans pandering to the religious right is just that, pandering.
And now, for a little humour during the DNC, as provided by the Onion:
Romney, Ryan Sneak Into DNC While Posing as Caterers:
(http://o.onionstatic.com/images/17/17929/original/600.jpg?1445)
Quote from: Gaspar on September 05, 2012, 10:13:07 AM
My wife said almost the same thing about Wasserface. "Why is she there?"
I think tonight will offer a big boost to the Democrats. Opening with a pro-growth guy like Bill Clinton can't do anything but fire up the base and bridge the divide between the moderates and progressives in the party, as well as the Clinton independents. If they can keep the theme of Clintonesque logic flowing throughout tonight's assembly without reverting back to the emotionocentric presentation of dispirit scenarios we saw last night, they'll hit a home run. Courting Clinton's praise and vision is about the smartest thing President Obama has done since taking office.
Of course we know there will be no follow through from this pageantry. The pro-growth private sector focused economic philosophy of the Clintons is simply too far from the pro-centralized / European economic philosophy and class warfare of the Obamas. At least if he wins, he will be more flexible for Vladimir, and have 4 more years of Golf without worrying about getting anything passed in Congress.
Surprise. The poodle gets the Pinocchios treatment for her lies.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/debbie-wasserman-schultzs-false-accusation-of-a-misquote/2012/09/05/bde6f37c-f78d-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_blog.html
Quote from: RecycleMichael on September 05, 2012, 10:45:01 AM
It seemed to me a platform is a discussion of non-religious issues. That is exactly how I want my candidates and party to be discussing topics and issues. This is politics, not church. Demanding that God be included in the political statements is wrong to me.
The repubs are known to be the party of faith (fundies) and patriotism (jingoists). The dems are known for other things. It's just a distinguishing characteristic.
Quote from: Gaspar on September 05, 2012, 08:41:13 AM
Bill's economic philosophy is so different from President Obama's,
Only in bizarro-world where Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Socialist. Out here in the real world, they're pretty much the same. The only major difference is regarding bank regulation, which Clinton also "came to Jesus" about after they melted down and took our economy with them.
Quote from: nathanm on September 05, 2012, 03:45:35 PM
Only in bizarro-world where Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Socialist. Out here in the real world, they're pretty much the same. The only major difference is regarding bank regulation, which Clinton also "came to Jesus" about after they melted down and took our economy with them.
Clinton and Obama differed on allowing certain tax cuts to expire and their impact on the economy. Clinton never framed tax increases as a penalty on the rich who were not paying their fair share. He also backed away from a massive overhaul of the health insurance industry.
Clinton understood how to build confidence with the job creators. He also was fortunate enough to preside over an economy which exploded with all sorts of new developments in communications, computing, e-commerce, bio-tech, as well as an unprecedented orgy of commercial and consumer debt which accompanied all this growth. Of course, like anything else, American's don't know to stop eating when they are full. ;D
The only tax cut that has expired under Obama's watch (so far) is one of the temporary payroll tax cuts. That's right, you and I have been subject to the only tax increase on individuals to this point. He wanted to extend it, but the House refused. Clinton did not back away from health care reform voluntarily. Only after the Republicans won the House in 1994 was it dropped. The irony is that all the hateful rhetoric spewed toward RomneyCare would be far more applicable to HillaryCare, which actually did take away choice and force people into HMO-style care.
As far as Clinton's tax rhetoric, here's a headline from 02/14/1993: Clinton says corporations, rich will pay fair share (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=kXohAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CIoFAAAAIBAJ&dq=clinton%20fair-share&pg=4239%2C2966172)
And just to make it really clear, here's a direct quote from 06/23/1992, during the campaign: "We have to ask the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share again" (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=4mZGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=3OgMAAAAIBAJ&dq=clinton%20fair-share&pg=4887%2C5768700)
Jake Tapper is tweeting that the dems put, gulp, "God" and Jerusalem back in the platform. RM's head is exploding somewhere right now.
Quote from: guido911 on September 05, 2012, 04:32:37 PM
Jake Tapper is tweeting that the dems put, gulp, "God" and Jerusalem back in the platform. RM's head is exploding somewhere right now.
Looks like they're being pressured. http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/05/796891/gop-suggests-democrats-are-hostile-to-god-ignore-lengthy-passage-on-faith-in-platform/
Can't turn on the "backbone" when the clergy calls.
I thought he died....was it Falwell? Crazies....
I agree the whole God thing is a bit of a ruse. In general I don't like it when it is invoked. I think if one were to really look at what the founders intended (because I think some were atheists, maybe?) when they mention rights endowed by God, I think the point they were trying to make was that some rights are given by something greater than man. Be it God, nature, whatever. There are some rights that no man can take from you. And look what happens when they try. Civil Wars.
Doubtful I will hear anything like this at the DNC (or the RNC for that matter) ever.
Quote from: guido911 on September 05, 2012, 04:32:37 PM
Jake Tapper is tweeting that the dems put, gulp, "God" and Jerusalem back in the platform. RM's head is exploding somewhere right now.
Not exactly exploding, but shaking.
I should have guessed that putting God back into the platform is the safe thing to do.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on September 05, 2012, 10:04:08 AM
Huh....
Given the new picture under his name, and the above post, I can only surmise that Gaspar has been kidnapped and a doppleganger has replaced him. Or he is stoned out of his mind, and I want some of what he has been smokin'.... (either barbeque OR the other stuff.)
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH OUR GASPAR???!!!! WE WANT HIM BACK NOW!!!
Have ransom demands been made yet??
I'm sure Gas still thinks Michelle secretly hates America.
It was typical partisan snarkasm. :P
Quote from: Conan71 on September 05, 2012, 08:59:26 AM
I personally liked San Antonio mayor Julian Castro. Obviously, he's being groomed for bigger and better things much like Clinton's debut at the '88 convention and Obama's at the '04 convention. He said one thing when he was being interviewed that I'm surprised the Obama campaign didn't find as an obvious 2012 campaign slogan: "Change takes time".
This segment was painful to watch. How much longer will they allow this babbling idiot to be the voice of the DNC:
I like her. She does her job, which is to piss off partisan hacks. ;D
Quote from: erfalf on September 05, 2012, 05:49:58 PM
(because I think some were atheists, maybe?)
Deists. Basically they (well, many of them, including Washington and Jefferson) believed in a creator, but one of the non-interventionist sort. They believed something created us all, but that praying to them isn't going to make a lick of difference.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 05, 2012, 03:56:13 PM
Clinton and Obama differed on allowing certain tax cuts to expire and their impact on the economy. Clinton never framed tax increases as a penalty on the rich who were not paying their fair share. He also backed away from a massive overhaul of the health insurance industry.
Clinton understood how to build confidence with the job creators. He also was fortunate enough to preside over an economy which exploded with all sorts of new developments in communications, computing, e-commerce, bio-tech, as well as an unprecedented orgy of commercial and consumer debt which accompanied all this growth. Of course, like anything else, American's don't know to stop eating when they are full. ;D
Ummm. Taxes were higher under Clinton.
Clinton never framed tax increases as a penalty on the rich? Coulda fooled me.
I distinctly remember Bill Clinton campaigning on taxing the people who benefitted the most in the go-go insider trading 80s.... the rich.
Of course, that was back in the days before Republicans and conservatives shoved the "job creator" meme down our throats...
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/31/us/the-1992-campaign-taxes-clinton-promises-to-protect-middle-class-on-taxes.html
QuoteMr. Clinton has proposed raising the top tax bracket to 36 percent from 31 percent on family incomes over $200,000 a year and single people's incomes over $150,000. He would give a small tax reduction to families he describes as middle income: those with incomes below $80,000. Families with incomes between $80,000 and $200,000 would not have their taxes changed, according to the Clinton staff.
Oh wait. When Obama says it, it's class warfare. When Bill Clinton said it, you remember it fondly, wearing rose-colored glasses... and when Tom Coburn admits it, you admire his honesty. http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/01/opinion/coburn-welfare-to-wealthy/index.html
I'll support tax cuts for "job-creators" in exchange for a salary cap. :P
Quote from: TulsaRufnex on September 05, 2012, 09:11:17 PM
Ummm. Taxes were higher under Clinton.
Clinton never framed tax increases as a penalty on the rich? Coulda fooled me.
I distinctly remember Bill Clinton campaigning on taxing the people who benefitted the most in the go-go insider trading 80s.... the rich.
Of course, that was back in the days before Republicans and conservatives shoved the "job creator" meme down our throats...
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/31/us/the-1992-campaign-taxes-clinton-promises-to-protect-middle-class-on-taxes.html
Oh wait. When Obama says it, it's class warfare. When Bill Clinton said it, you remember it fondly, wearing rose-colored glasses... and when Tom Coburn admits it, you admire his honesty. http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/01/opinion/coburn-welfare-to-wealthy/index.html
I'll support tax cuts for "job-creators" in exchange for a salary cap. :P
Actually Magnus Ronaldo coined it first so we can say Clinton and Obama copied it.
I did mention taxes were higher under Clinton. Those were different economic times with a huge boom looming. You don't bludgeon the wealthy in uncertain economic times. Clinton knows that and said as much
Quote from: Conan71 on September 05, 2012, 10:21:33 PM
I did mention taxes were higher under Clinton. Those were different economic times with a huge boom looming. You don't bludgeon the wealthy in uncertain economic times. Clinton knows that and said as much
If folks were so certain of an impending recovery, why did HW lose to "It's the economy, stupid?"
Quote from: nathanm on September 05, 2012, 10:31:58 PM
If folks were so certain of an impending recovery, why did HW lose to "It's the economy, stupid?"
I'm guessing a lot of it was due to the 'read my lips' speech...
Clinton's speech:
http://www.c-span.org/DNC/Events/Former-President-Bill-Clinton-at-the-2012-Democratic-National-Convention/C3779974/
Quote from: nathanm on September 05, 2012, 11:03:47 PM
Clinton's speech:
http://www.c-span.org/DNC/Events/Former-President-Bill-Clinton-at-the-2012-Democratic-National-Convention/C3779974/
Watched it live. He's still an excellent speaker.
Quote from: nathanm on September 05, 2012, 11:03:47 PM
Clinton's speech:
http://www.c-span.org/DNC/Events/Former-President-Bill-Clinton-at-the-2012-Democratic-National-Convention/C3779974/
Some of the floor reporters noted that he would stray from the prompter. I remember hearing that he would do this a lot. Made the prompter operators nuts.
Quote from: nathanm on September 05, 2012, 10:31:58 PM
If folks were so certain of an impending recovery, why did HW lose to "It's the economy, stupid?"
He didn't. Ross Perot and his Napoleon complex cost GWH the '92 election...at least in the popular vote. This is likely the very reason Trump decided to check his ego at the door this year.
Clinton was charming, toed the company line, and I love him as always. He was also careful to point to successes of the Reagan and Bush Admins which I thought was a classy move. I don't recall McCain referring to any positive accomplishments of the Clinton, Carter, Johnson, or Kennedy admins.
He's a great speaker. He did have to spread some manure, but I didn't expect him to touch on negatives. He's there to sell another term for Obama whether or not it made him throw up in his mouth a little. The hug between the two at the end did appear to be between two people who really do respect and have a genuine admiration for each other. It may have been carefully orchestrated but I think Clinton and Obama DO have a deep respect for each other. At times I think Clinton respects Obama more for the president he
could be while I think Obama ignores the successful leadership patterns of his successors.
Quote from: Hoss on September 05, 2012, 11:09:14 PM
Some of the floor reporters noted that he would stray from the prompter. I remember hearing that he would do this a lot. Made the prompter operators nuts.
Clinton speaks about what he
feels.
Obama speaks about what he
thinks.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 05, 2012, 11:22:46 PM
He didn't. Ross Perot and his Napoleon complex cost GWH the '92 election...at least in the popular vote.
I remember watching Perot's chartfest prime time infomercials. He seemed rather concerned about the economy in addition to the debt.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 05, 2012, 11:31:29 PM
Clinton speaks about what he feels.
Obama speaks about what he thinks.
At least they both speak eloquently. It was usually pretty painful to watch Bush speak.
I though Warren was great, she surprised me. Clinton was Clinton: charismatic and funny. I agree that I liked the nod to the other former presidents and the cooperation theme.
The never ending line of "witnesses" wore thin quickly.
I thought Clinton was great also, but it seemed he was damning with faint praise. He tended, as usual, to turn the conversation towards himself, and featured his own successes more than president Obama's accomplishments. Clinton speeches are like onions, there are layers of intension and strategic positioning throughout. I think his anemic endorsement was a rather obvious attempt to set the stage for Hillary in 16. His appearance was more like "hey I'm back, and I'm a rockstar."
I like Jay Leno's comment to the affect that they are continuously trying to adjust the lights in the arena, but they can't seem to get President Obama out of the shadows.
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/216895_441751869200785_2050552061_n.jpg)
I don't know how putting a pro-growth proven leader ahead of President Obama is going to help. I think it would have been more helpful to open with Carter and close with Clinton after Obama's acceptance. That would force Clinton to comment on the plans and promises that President Obama lays out.
Talk about the cunning of the Clintons. We know that bill knew about this when he made the statement about claims that President Obama is gutting the Welfare requirement as "a real doozy."
Apparently on Tuesday morning the Government Accountability Office delivered a ruling to the Whitehouse that this type of change to welfare reform is illegal and it must be passed through congress. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443571904577631970411021452.html
One of the authors of the original 1996 law, Rob Rector, commented:
"The Obama Administration will put in mothballs the formal purpose of welfare reform—to reduce the number of people dependent on government benefits. The Administration will abandon the legislative performance goal that encourages states to reduce welfare caseloads. It will weaken the "work participation" standards that require some 30 percent of able-bodied Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) recipients to engage in work activities for 20 to 30 hours per week. In the typical state, 1.5 percent of the TANF caseload leaves welfare and obtains work each month. Thus, any state can be fully exempted from the TANF work requirements if it raises the number of exits to 1.8 percent. This is a miniscule change. What will the other 98.2 percent of the caseload be doing? No one knows for sure. But one thing we do know for certain: They will be exempt from the federal "work participation" requirements established in the welfare reform law."
As one of the most successful bills of the Clinton Presidency, Bill's comment last night was simply setting up a pin that had already been knocked down. Freekin brilliant! He had no problem endorsing the decision last night because he knew it was squashed. The dude is a rockstar!
Now President Obama has the difficult task of backpedalling on a decision that turns out to be illegal. Seems to be a recurring theme.
You, sir, are the recurring theme. You don't even waste time for others to comment and you certainly don't listen or reply to the inconsistencies of you and your candidates. This is a time you could learn something by pushing aside the rhetoric and listening to speakers at the convention with real life stories and experience. Just like the Republican convention offered. Instead, every picture, every negative blowhard's rant is a chance to spear the leader. Exasperating really. But, like Bill, you are entertaining.
Just think how successful you could be if you dropped your vendetta against Democrats and Obama and turned that intelligent rage towards something more fruitful. Beating up liberals and Democrats in a red state where that group is pretty much like a clan of Jews in a German ghetto indicates you've set your sights too low. Go to a blue state and try your stuff.
Quote from: AquaMan on September 06, 2012, 11:53:22 AM
You, sir, are the recurring theme. You don't even waste time for others to comment and you certainly don't listen or reply to the inconsistencies of you and your candidates. This is a time you could learn something by pushing aside the rhetoric and listening to speakers at the convention with real life stories and experience. Just like the Republican convention offered. Instead, every picture, every negative blowhard's rant is a chance to spear the leader. Exasperating really. But, like Bill, you are entertaining.
Just think how successful you could be if you dropped your vendetta against Democrats and Obama and turned that intelligent rage towards something more fruitful. Beating up liberals and Democrats in a red state where that group is pretty much like a clan of Jews in a German ghetto indicates you've set your sights too low. Go to a blue state and try your stuff.
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000680799/polls_leave_Obama_alone_2011_989325_answer_5_xlarge.jpeg)
I've been equally hard on Republicans. Party makes little difference. I ridicule stupidity, and those who support it.
Democrats are not stupid people, they've simply been pushed into a corner and taught to fear liberty.
"Taught to Fear liberty?"
That sums up your opinion of the left fairly well I guess. Too bad it's not remotely accurate.
Quote from: Gaspar on September 06, 2012, 12:03:03 PM
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000680799/polls_leave_Obama_alone_2011_989325_answer_5_xlarge.jpeg)
Democrats are not stupid people, they've simply been pushed into a corner and taught to fear liberty.
Oh good lord. Tell us again about that stock market at 8000, ok Mr Wisdom? Stupid is going back to Bush era policies and trying again to create jobs by cutting taxes on the rich.
"I've been equally hard on Republicans. Party makes little difference. I ridicule stupidity, and those who support it.
Democrats are not stupid people, they've simply been pushed into a corner and taught to fear liberty."
Geez. What BS. No wonder you prefer R&R to Obama. You identify with them because you can't even tell the truth to yourself.
You act like you're this disinterested observer who is just here to enlighten us all to the truth. Yet you're truths are seldom defensible, if your lengthy defensive posts are any measure. If, as you and I both believe, appearance is 80% or more of reality, you are neither objective nor enlightening. You're not even a recovering Republican. You're a victim of ODS!
There's a liquor for that.
Quote from: AquaMan on September 06, 2012, 12:27:15 PM
"I've been equally hard on Republicans. Party makes little difference. I ridicule stupidity, and those who support it.
Democrats are not stupid people, they've simply been pushed into a corner and taught to fear liberty."
Geez. What BS. No wonder you prefer R&R to Obama. You identify with them because you can't even tell the truth to yourself.
You act like you're this disinterested observer who is just here to enlighten us all to the truth. Yet you're truths are seldom defensible, if your lengthy defensive posts are any measure. If, as you and I both believe, appearance is 80% or more of reality, you are neither objective nor enlightening. You're not even a recovering Republican. You're a victim of ODS!
There's a liquor for that.
What is even harder to believe is that many on here claim to see a real difference in the Bush era policies and the Obama era policies.
Quote from: erfalf on September 06, 2012, 12:55:45 PM
What is even harder to believe is that many on here claim to see a real difference in the Bush era policies and the Obama era policies.
LOL! Exfreekinzactly!
Quote from: Gaspar on September 06, 2012, 01:07:17 PM
LOL! Exfreekinzactly!
Except for maybe actually including the wars in the budget?
Quote from: Hoss on September 06, 2012, 01:13:57 PM
Except for maybe actually including the wars in the budget?
You're right, although a budget would have to be actually passed for comparison sake. ;D
Quote from: erfalf on September 06, 2012, 01:15:15 PM
You're right, although a budget would have to be actually passed for comparison sake. ;D
Obstructionism. Let's remember McConnell's remarks.
Quote from: erfalf on September 06, 2012, 01:15:15 PM
You're right, although a budget would have to be actually passed for comparison sake. ;D
It would need to be drafted first, then scored by the CBO without uncontrollable laughter.
Quote from: Hoss on September 06, 2012, 01:19:04 PM
Obstructionism. Let's remember McConnell's remarks.
2009 & 2010?
Quote from: erfalf on September 06, 2012, 01:26:25 PM
2009 & 2010?
You heard of the filibuster? Obviously not.
Different eras. Different administrations. Different parties. Different Congress. Different personalities. Different crises. Different economies. One would think the policies had to be different. But no. That wouldn't make sense. Truthfully, our government is a huge ship and it turns slowly. Some policies simply remain the same even when there isn't a Congress who defies leadership and obligation to its people.
And if you loved Bush, well you must be ecstatic about Obama. Or at least able to justify his behavior like you guys do for W.
I wonder what the difference is? Oh, yeah, ODS. Manifests itself in so many ways.
Quote from: Hoss on September 06, 2012, 01:27:01 PM
You heard of the filibuster? Obviously not.
Which budget did they filibuster again?
Quote from: AquaMan on September 06, 2012, 01:29:30 PM
Different eras. Different administrations. Different parties. Different Congress. Different personalities. Different crises. Different economies. One would think the policies had to be different. But no. That wouldn't make sense. Truthfully, our government is a huge ship and it turns slowly. Some policies simply remain the same even when there isn't a Congress who defies leadership and obligation to its people.
The federal government is slow by design. Think what would happen if things were quick and easy. Mob rule is not a pretty thing.
Quote from: AquaMan on September 06, 2012, 01:29:30 PM
And if you loved Bush, well you must be ecstatic about Obama. Or at least able to justify his behavior like you guys do for W.
I wonder what the difference is? Oh, yeah, ODS. Manifests itself in so many ways.
Who on this board loved Bush again? Oh, "them".
Quote from: erfalf on September 06, 2012, 01:38:47 PM
Who on this board loved Bush again?
Just about everybody aside from the usual suspects, at least until about June or July 2008. I believe the old threads still exist. ;)
Quote from: nathanm on September 06, 2012, 03:47:57 PM
Just about everybody aside from the usual suspects, at least until about June or July 2008. I believe the old threads still exist. ;)
There were lots of people on this board into late summer '08 claiming the economy was just fine and Obama was being hysterical about the economy. If anything Obama underestimated how bad it was.