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QuoteLawsuit claims black sacker, ban from Big Sandy grocery store violated customer's rights
http://www.news-journal.com/news/local/lawsuit-claims-black-sacker-ban-from-big-sandy-grocery-store/article_211e8217-acdf-5489-8915-8f6cc7900470.html
Posted: Thursday, August 9, 2012 4:00 am | Updated: 2:37 pm, Thu Aug 9, 2012.
By Sarah Thomas sthomas@news-journal.com | 41 comments
BIG SANDY -- A Hawkins man is claiming his civil rights and religious freedom were violated earlier this year when a black man sacked his groceries and a Big Sandy grocery store owner banned the customer from the business.
DeWitt R. Thomas filed a federal lawsuit in July against Keith Langston, owner of Two Rivers Grocery & Market.
According to the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Tyler, Thomas entered the market on March 5 to buy food.
He stated in a nine-page, hand-written lawsuit that he told the grocery sacker, a black man, "Wait a minute, don't touch my groceries. I can't have someone negroidal touch my food. It's against my creed."
Thomas claimed the cashier was "perplexed" by his request and yelled at him to take his items and leave.
In a telephone interview Wednesday, Thomas said, "It's pretty simple. They treated me really bad because I told them it was against my creed."
According to the lawsuit, Thomas went on to explain he meant a black person when he used the term "negroidal."
The sacker, Aaron Menefee, said he thought Thomas was just kidding around.
"The first time he said it, I thought he was joking," Menefee said. "Then he just kept repeating it."
Menefee said once he realized Thomas was serious, he called for someone else to sack the groceries, at which time Menefee went to another part of the store.
"I didn't feel physically threatened," Menefee said. "I just felt verbally assaulted."
Langston wasn't in the store at the time, but his employees told him about the incident.
"I decided when I heard about what happened that I was going to file a criminal trespass against him," Langston said. "I just had to wait for him to be present so he could sign it."
When Thomas returned two days later, he noticed the same black man would be sacking his groceries, so he again requested the "Negro" not handle his groceries, according to the lawsuit.
This time, Langston was there. He called police to serve Thomas a criminal trespass warning. While waiting for the police, an employee locked the doors, and the lawsuit claims Thomas was "unlawfully restrained."
Thomas said Langston broke the law the night he locked him in the store.
"We were closing, and I don't know of a business that doesn't lock their doors when they close. It keeps more people from coming in," Langston said.
Thomas said he doesn't understand why he had to deal with the same situation twice.
"My question is, why after I told them how I felt and that it was against my creed did this negroid try to impress himself upon me and try to handle my groceries again." Thomas said.
Thomas said his religious beliefs are based on Vedism, which he said encompasses Hinduism.
"Vedism translates into knowledge. I am not this way because I am ignorant. Ignorance is the enemy," he said.
Thomas said he has not broken any laws and was exercising his religious freedom and the rights he has been given.
"White people are to be protected under the civil rights law just as anyone else," Thomas said. "It would be the same as if you asked that a congoid (a person from west/central Africa) not touch your food."
Thomas' based his claim that his civil rights were violated on that criminal trespass order. He also said Langston is wrong for trying to tell him who can touch his groceries and refusing to serve him.
"When I go through (a store) and buy groceries, those groceries become my property," Thomas said.
Langston said he is not trying to tell Thomas what to believe or how to live, but his store is a privately owned business.
"He was banned because he was using racial slurs, but he has turned it into a religious thing," Langston said.
Langston said Thomas would have been allowed to come back had he said he preferred to sack his own groceries.
"We have a few people who want to sack their own groceries, but it's not for the same reasons DeWitt gave," Langston said. "They do it because they just like to have their stuff bagged a certain way, certain groceries in certain bags."
Thomas said he is going forward with his complaint because Langston has no right to stand against what he believes in.
"If he wants to stand in opposition of who I am, then we are going to go forward with this here thing," Thomas said.
Langston said he wants the whole thing to just go away, but insists Thomas will never be able to come back into his store. He said Thomas told him he would drop the complaint if he dropped the criminal trespass.
"I've had several people say they would've touched a hell of a lot more than his groceries if they had been in line behind him," Langston said.
Must be a cracker to be my sacker! Geez Louise, Texans are weird....this could just as well be Oklahoma, but here nobody would make an issue out of it.
Yeah, Texas, but the grocery store owner was a stand up guy and he was Texan too. So was the sacker who didn't whine or file suit. The guy is lucky the customers didn't get to him first.
To me Big Sandy has at least a few well adjusted, fearless, intelligent people.
Quote from: AquaMan on August 13, 2012, 09:25:11 PM
Yeah, Texas, but the grocery store owner was a stand up guy and he was Texan too. So was the sacker who didn't whine or file suit. The guy is lucky the customers didn't get to him first.
To me Big Sandy has at least a few well adjusted, fearless, intelligent people.
For sure...I thought the same thing...hence, my comment about nobody confronting such behavior in these parts. You have to be extra careful what you say and do around these parts.
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 13, 2012, 09:33:22 PM
For sure...I thought the same thing...hence, my comment about nobody confronting such behavior in these parts. You have to be extra careful what you say and do around these parts.
I am surprised at some people's attitudes towards minorities in this city. Whether its religion, race or sexuality, people seem to feel empowered to say stupid things as though they are being clever or insightful. They don't even seem to care if the minority is nearby.
Happens on all sides though. I remember some people in our neighborhood that were hesitant to let their kids interact with kids that didn't go to parochial or private schools. None of that public school, mainstream religion trash.
If I had a child, I'd keep it from mingling with anyone who has a tat. :(
And parents should be screened to insure they are not DINO's. :D
I'm reminded of Sally Kern by this discussion...
Once again I approach the placement of my Obama yard sign with some trepidation. I may have to tether my fearsome Silky Terrier to it this year.
Quote from: AquaMan on August 14, 2012, 07:13:18 AM
Once again I approach the placement of my Obama yard sign with some trepidation. I may have to tether my fearsome Silky Terrier to it this year.
Don't blame you. There are people in town who will come after you.
And no, I am not implying any of our regulars here - I'm talking the even MORE lunatic fringe out there - the REAL hungry, stupid, lazy people.... sounds like a reality show in the making.
Quote from: AquaMan on August 14, 2012, 07:13:18 AM
Once again I approach the placement of my Obama yard sign with some trepidation. I may have to tether my fearsome Silky Terrier to it this year.
I'm sure he will piss on it too....!!! ;D
Quote from: Breadburner on August 14, 2012, 08:55:47 AM
I'm sure he will piss on it too....!!! ;D
Would make a fine TN pic. I may stage it just for you and your crew!
Quote from: AquaMan on August 14, 2012, 09:36:40 AM
Would make a fine TN pic. I may stage it just for you and your crew!
Awesomeness....!!!
Quote from: AquaMan on August 14, 2012, 07:13:18 AM
Once again I approach the placement of my Obama yard sign with some trepidation. I may have to tether my fearsome Silky Terrier to it this year.
Just pick up more than one. I hear they're having a hard time giving them away. ;)
Quote from: Gaspar on August 14, 2012, 03:32:20 PM
Just pick up more than one. I hear they're having a hard time giving them away. ;)
baseless innuendo...
In Tulsa County Democrat HQs they are charging $2 for them and can't keep them in stock.
I am prepared to expend three Silky Terriers on the project. After that I switch to pit bulls.
Quote from: AquaMan on August 15, 2012, 01:11:28 PM
I am prepared to expend three Silky Terriers on the project. After that I switch to pit bulls.
Do the Silky's know about your cavalier attitude??
Throw in the pit bulls from the get-go. Much more entertaining.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 15, 2012, 01:31:40 PM
Do the Silky's know about your cavalier attitude??
Throw in the pit bulls from the get-go. Much more entertaining.
My Silky is cute, lovable and anxious for attention. But he is quick twitch, noisy, and thinks he is the size of a leopard. He is my early warning system.
I have another dog, resembling a pit bull, that is his opposite, focused, heavy set and suspicious of the rest of the world and quietly planning how to address that situation. After her there are lots of pits on telephone polls around the hood that I can help to find.
Seriously, I'm not too worried. People don't much care what I think and aren't too surprised to see a "Bama" sign around here.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 14, 2012, 05:01:51 PM
baseless innuendo...
In Tulsa County Democrat HQs they are charging $2 for them and can't keep them in stock.
But do I get a chance to party with the president if I buy one?
Quote from: Conan71 on August 15, 2012, 02:45:22 PM
But do I get a chance to party with the president if I buy one?
You would but I think the Oklahoma state legislature is working on a bill to make it illegal to mention the word "Obama".
They've run into a snag because 6 of the legislators are getting confused as to why they can't mention the delicious pies.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 15, 2012, 02:45:22 PM
But do I get a chance to party with the president if I buy one?
Would you go if you could?
Quote from: Conan71 on August 15, 2012, 02:45:22 PM
But do I get a chance to party with the president if I buy one?
Off the bike and back into action...you were missed, kinda. In the time while you were gone, Gaspar agreed with me on 2025. Just want to let you know that being a fiscal conservative can mean finding common ground unless you follow the Teabaggers/GOP to that sick point of "no compromise."
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 15, 2012, 03:13:47 PM
Off the bike and back into action...you were missed, kinda. In the time while you were gone, Gaspar agreed with me on 2025. Just want to let you know that being a fiscal conservative can mean finding common ground unless you follow the Teabaggers/GOP to that sick point of "no compromise."
LOL! Not off it for long- just back in the sticky heat. You would have loved the crowd at Eske's in Taos.
Quote from: DolfanBob on August 15, 2012, 03:09:07 PM
Would you go if you could?
I would. As a person, I have no beef with President Obama. It's on a professional basis I don't care so much for him. I think if we could keep the discussion off politics, we might be okay. ;)
Quote from: Townsend on August 15, 2012, 02:53:43 PM
You would but I think the Oklahoma state legislature is working on a bill to make it illegal to mention the word "Obama".
They've run into a snag because 6 of the legislators are getting confused as to why they can't mention the delicious pies.
You must have missed it...they passed that bill back in mid-July, with an emergency clause to get rid of the 90 day wait before it takes effect. The was a pie-fest open house on the capital front yard - I had to drive by that day and the traffic was horrible....
(http://ktul.images.worldnow.com/images/19290493_BG1.jpg)
Broken Arrowdite Bob can expect an IRS audit...
Is this about "you didn't build that" being taken out of context or just racism? Boycott Additive Systems...no business or person should get away with this crap. While I loved making fun of Shrub, I never publicly displayed hatred for him or disrespect for the office of Commander in Chief (albeit I did accuse Bush II of letting Cheney run the Oval Office).....
http://www.ktul.com/story/19300698/broken-arrow-business-makes-waves-with-obama-banner readers comments!
be classy Teapublicans. Oh, and curb your hate.
Just the phrase at the top shows his complete disconnect from reality. Obama was making the point that no "rugged individualist" did it all by himself/herself. Which this guy just verified by saying "WE built this business..."
Well, DUH!!! So this guy was agreeing with Obama....
But Additive Systems STILL uses Main street and Houston in Broken Arrow. They get water from the same municipal supply that the rest of the town also supports. He gets electricity from AEP in Ohio. Just a few of the other contributors to his business....
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 20, 2012, 11:32:40 PM
But Additive Systems STILL uses Main street and Houston in Broken Arrow. They get water from the same municipal supply that the rest of the town also supports. He gets electricity from AEP in Ohio. Just a few of the other contributors to his business....
Now I know why I am not a rich successful businessman. We have well water. I guess I'll need to connect to city water.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 21, 2012, 07:50:29 AM
Now I know why I am not a rich successful businessman. We have well water. I guess I'll need to connect to city water.
If you want to have a business like ASI, then you will likely need more than just well water. But that would put you into the "evil" of depending on someone other than yourself - a shared effort.
And lest you think well water makes one more of a rugged individualist (I doubt really think you feel that way...you are too practical most of the time, except for you political blinders...), well someone had to drill the well and then case it with pipe that someone had to make. Then it was wired with wire that someone made, connected to a motor/pump that was made by Franklin Electric (Ft. Wayne, Indiana). Unfortunately, it is unlikely that any 3 of us on this board could do all the is required to get water to your house in the way it is done today, let alone just any one of us.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 21, 2012, 04:09:31 PM
If you want to have a business like ASI, then you will likely need more than just well water. But that would put you into the "evil" of depending on someone other than yourself - a shared effort.
And lest you think well water makes one more of a rugged individualist (I doubt really think you feel that way...you are too practical most of the time, except for you political blinders...), well someone had to drill the well and then case it with pipe that someone had to make. Then it was wired with wire that someone made, connected to a motor/pump that was made by Franklin Electric (Ft. Wayne, Indiana). Unfortunately, it is unlikely that any 3 of us on this board could do all the is required to get water to your house in the way it is done today, let alone just any one of us.
Don't forget the douser.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 21, 2012, 04:09:31 PM
If you want to have a business like ASI, then you will likely need more than just well water.
You read it inversely to what I said.
We already have well water. I would need to change to city provided water, with way more government
direct involvement, than keep the well water we already have.
Edit:
You, however, ignored my point in order to make yours. My point is that I do have access to roads and all the things touted by the President. I do actually have access to city water, for part of my time, at work and at friends' places and even WalMart. I should be wealthy beyond my fondest dreams with access to all these government goodies but yet I am not. Something is missing and I can only consider that it is because I don't have city water at my house.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 21, 2012, 08:09:41 PM
Dowser?
Wasn't sure of the spelling. You have once again humiliated me in front of millions. Thanks. ;)
Quote from: AquaMan on August 21, 2012, 08:16:06 PM
Wasn't sure of the spelling. You have once again humiliated me in front of millions. Thanks. ;)
Didn't intend to humiliate you, just check that you intended something (that I looked up on Google) and not something else entirely.
Should I go back to a PM when I detect a spelling error?
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 21, 2012, 07:58:50 PM
I should be wealthy beyond my fondest dreams with access to all these government goodies but yet I am not. Something is missing and I can only consider that it is because I don't have city water at my house.
That's quite a logical leap you made there. Not to mention that nobody said that a strong and cohesive society will make each and every member fabulously wealthy relative to all other members of society. That would be impossible.
Quote from: nathanm on August 21, 2012, 08:28:35 PM
That's quite a logical leap you made there. Not to mention that nobody said that a strong and cohesive society will make each and every member fabulously wealthy relative to all other members of society. That would be impossible.
Not fabulously wealthy
relative to all other members of society. We should
all be fabulously wealthy with all these government provided goodies that we all have access to. Just sayin', the government infrastructure is there for all of us.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 21, 2012, 07:58:50 PM
You read it inversely to what I said.
We already have well water. I would need to change to city provided water, with way more government direct involvement, than keep the well water we already have.
Edit:
You, however, ignored my point in order to make yours. My point is that I do have access to roads and all the things touted by the President. I do actually have access to city water, for part of my time, at work and at friends' places and even WalMart. I should be wealthy beyond my fondest dreams with access to all these government goodies but yet I am not. Something is missing and I can only consider that it is because I don't have city water at my house.
No, I didn't ignore it - I expanded the scope. The existing well had all those things happen at one time or other. If you ever have to do a rework on it, another set of people get involved.
Broadening the scope to emphasize the point - and it is not really for you because I know you already know this - that even something as straightforward as your well involves an entire infrastructure that the "rugged individualist" cannot duplicate on his own. It would be a reasonable thing for a well in your area to be dug by hand. Water is close to the surface, and the soil is probably fairly easy to dig. It would just take some time and a lot of digging. Then we go to the infrastructure required to supply the shovel. Or you can make your own shovel out of a hardwood tree (oak, hickory or ash would do well), and that would probably be a satisfactory tool. So then we have to cut the tree, and split it into the piece of wood to shape into the shovel. Which takes us one step back to the axe, the sledge and wedges to split, and some type of carving tool (drawknife?) which require a certain infrastructure to make those tools. Unless you have some steel around and a forge, which takes us to the hammers and anvil to work the steel... but I need some more hardwood to make charcoal for the forge. ....it just keeps on going round and round.
What IS a reasonable expectation of all those "government goodies" is that the least among us should have at least the bare necessities of survival.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 21, 2012, 10:29:05 PM
No, I didn't ignore it - I expanded the scope.
I didn't say you ignored it. You read in the opposite meaning of what I wrote.
Since you either refuse to acknowledge it, are ignoring my point, or cannot detect some sarcasm, I'll spell it out for you and others.
I think most on the left are over emphasizing the role government plays in the success of anyone who does well and are intentionally downplaying any personal effort on the part of the individual.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 21, 2012, 10:48:04 PM
I think most on the left are over emphasizing the role government plays in the success of anyone who does well and are intentionally downplaying any personal effort on the part of the individual.
This is a whole new discussion.... our government does a LOT of stuff that just would never even get looked at if left to the private sector. We have basic research - unfortunately too much of it centered around military - that has given us the "seed" for so many things that benefit us today. From agriculture to medicine/pharmaceuticals to NASA creating memory foam. Having done just a little bit of that in the past, there is huge leverage for dollars spent. Just the space program has spawned SOOO much that directly touches everyone on this board, as well as everyone in this state, this nation, and even most of the world. I submit that nobody in Tulsa who works at a W-2 job can go through an entire day without being impacted in some way by the government spending on space - it touches everyone.
Same thing can be said about agriculture. OSU is a leading ag school that spends government money and provides assistance to local (statewide) agriculture from livestock to row crops to truck farm agriculture to any topic related to animal husbandry and growing green stuff that is practiced in this state.
It is pretty much a case of "pick a topic" - and if the government is spending money on it, there is likely to be a benefit flow to the private sector. Of course there are exceptions - we beat on a couple of them pretty hard here - no real benefit to bailing out big banks, and the subsidization of a mature industry is not a well thought out strategy (Solyndra).
In the banks case, the trillion+ could still make the case that total collapse was averted. And Solyndra might have brought about something due to the unique (cylindrical) nature of their solar cell technology. Could be someone else can run with it and tweak it some and have a home run. Or not.
If the bank bailouts DID stave off collapse, then we can say that a trillion saved several trillion. If someone takes the Solyndra ideas and runs with it, and builds a multi-billion industry out of it, then that would be a bargain. I don't believe either case is likely to be valid, but it might work out. Sometimes ideas and investments win. Sometimes they lose. (80% of new companies fail in the first couple years.)
Government spending can be and often is a great enabler. In areas that would never even be looked at by private industry. And I bet your company has benefited from some government research program somewhere along the line - if not directly, then indirectly by technology/methods/materials that came about due to that spending. And you personally enjoy gyroscopic technology that came about as a direct result of military spending for war planes. Not to mention GPS and the internet (both DARPA).
If anyone is interested in weird things the government is spending money on, check out Darpa Dog sometime. Uncanny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww
Or Petman - both from Boston Dynamics. Working with government money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mclbVTIYG8E
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 21, 2012, 09:01:55 PM
We should all be fabulously wealthy with all these government provided goodies that we all have access to.
We are all fabulously wealthy by the standards of the parts of the world that lack those things. Perhaps not compared to the cronies at the very top of their particular pyramid, but relative to most people in most countries, almost everyone has it better, largely thanks to our willingness to collectively build schools and roads and water systems and the like. Although built largely/mostly by private companies, even the phone and electrical systems were made almost completely universal thanks to government funds, which represent all of us chipping in to help each and every one of us (or as near as we can achieve, anyway) to a certain standard of living, which in turn makes us all richer.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 21, 2012, 11:23:26 PM
This is a whole new discussion....
Start a new thread?
Quoteour government does a LOT of stuff that just would never even get looked at if left to the private sector.
The government has certainly hurried a lot of things along. A lot of it good stuff.
Quote from: nathanm on August 21, 2012, 11:35:44 PM
We are all fabulously wealthy by the standards of the parts of the world that lack those things. Perhaps not compared to the cronies at the very top of their particular pyramid, but relative to most people in most countries, almost everyone has it better, largely thanks to our willingness to collectively build schools and roads and water systems and the like. Although built largely/mostly by private companies, even the phone and electrical systems were made almost completely universal thanks to government funds, which represent all of us chipping in to help each and every one of us (or as near as we can achieve, anyway) to a certain standard of living, which in turn makes us all richer.
One more time: I think most on the left are over emphasizing the role government plays in the success of anyone who does well and are intentionally downplaying any personal effort on the part of the individual.
You are free to think differently.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 21, 2012, 08:22:11 PM
Didn't intend to humiliate you, just check that you intended something (that I looked up on Google) and not something else entirely.
Should I go back to a PM when I detect a spelling error?
Nah. I was just laughing at myself and inviting you to join in. I should have looked it up.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 21, 2012, 11:57:47 PM
One more time: I think most on the left are over emphasizing the role government plays in the success of anyone who does well and are intentionally downplaying any personal effort on the part of the individual.
You are free to think differently.
There may be some folks who actively downplay the role of the individual, but they're not the people I talk to, who are too busy trying to prevent the death of the idea that government services and research help make our country what it is to bother talking down individual effort. Even when Obama said "you didn't build that," he was in the middle of a speech talking about what government does for us, not talking about what people don't do.
The Republican message, on the other hand, appears to be that government is useless at everything except defense and individual effort is the only thing that matters.
I think both are necessary in most cases. Society, through government, makes available things like roads and other infrastructure, small business loans, and programs to help keep workers available to you. You, through ingenuity and hard work, find success using those tools placed at your disposal by society as a whole.
The real irony is that most of these people who complain about being asked to think about the broader system that society has put in place to foster small business would be bankrupt today if not for government action during the financial crisis. Few businesses operate completely on a cash basis with no debt. They'd have had a lot better argument pre-2008.
Quote from: nathanm on August 22, 2012, 05:00:35 PM
Even when Obama said "you didn't build that," he was in the middle of a speech talking about what government does for us, not talking about what people don't do.
For a man with such a fine education, he sure gets misunderstood a lot. Either that or his supporters are trying to cover for him.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 22, 2012, 06:55:36 PM
For a man with such a fine education, he sure gets misunderstood a lot. Either that or his supporters are trying to cover for him.
Kinda like Romney's supporters are covering for his being the candidate who 'likes to fire people'.
Wait..what?
Quote from: Hoss on August 22, 2012, 07:27:47 PM
Kinda like Romney's supporters are covering for his being the candidate who 'likes to fire people'.
Wait..what?
Wait.... Who is claiming to have been a Constitutional Law Professor. I would think someone with those credentials should be able to communicate to all levels of education with absolute clarity. Are you trying to say that Obama's off teleprompter public speaking skills are barely on par with GWB's? Wow, what a putdown of your candidate.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 22, 2012, 07:52:28 PM
Wait.... Who is claiming to have been a Constitutional Law Professor. I would think someone with those credentials should be able to communicate to all levels of education with absolute clarity. Are you trying to say that Obama's off teleprompter public speaking skills are barely on par with GWB's? Wow, what a putdown of your candidate.
No, no.
My point being is BOTH sides like to take quotes out of context. See what I did there? You obviously didn't pick up on it. In other words, from what I hear, it's ok if the republicans take the President's words out of context, but God forbid if the democrats do that to poor little Mittens.
The Republicans COUNT on their base not researching issues or quotes of what the 'other guy' said. In other words, they count on their base to not be as informed.
But then again, that base gets the majority of their information from either Fox News or the Drudge Report. So what can you expect?
Quote from: Hoss on August 22, 2012, 08:18:31 PM
No, no.
My point being is BOTH sides like to take quotes out of context. See what I did there? You obviously didn't pick up on it.
You must be taking lessons from someone else here in talking down to fellow TNFers.
I saw what you did, it was rather obvious.
I chose to emphasize that Obama is supposed to be highly educated in a field that should be able to communicate clearly but for some reason he is not doing so. I am well aware that both sides will take any opportunity to use the opposite side's candidate's words against them.
QuoteIn other words, from what I hear, it's ok if the republicans take the President's words out of context, but God forbid if the democrats do that to poor little Mittens.
I know what you mean. I see the same thing from the opposite side. (See, I can do that too.)
QuoteThe Republicans COUNT on their base not researching issues or quotes of what the 'other guy' said. In other words, they count on their base to not be as informed. But then again, that base gets the majority of their information from either Fox News or the Drudge Report. So what can you expect?
I believe the rank and file Democratic voters are every bit the lemmings you claim the Republican voters to be. (See again, I can do that twice.)
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 22, 2012, 08:58:21 PM
You must be taking lessons from someone else here in talking down to fellow TNFers.
I saw what you did, it was rather obvious.
I chose to emphasize that Obama is supposed to be highly educated in a field that should be able to communicate clearly but for some reason he is not doing so. I am well aware that both sides will take any opportunity to use the opposite side's candidate's words against them.
I know what you mean. I see the same thing from the opposite side. (See, I can do that too.)
I believe the rank and file Democratic voters are every bit the lemmings you claim the Republican voters to be. (See again, I can do that twice.)
And all this is fine and dandy by me. There likely never existed two politically, diametrically opposed people on the planet. I don't have a problem with that. I'll never try and change you.
I don't know why many Republicans I know try and change me. It's the same as proselytizing. I'm in my mid 40s and likely will never change my views of the right and politics in general. Especially the kooky side that has somehow taken hold of the mainstream.
I guess I call BS now that the republicans are playing the 'poor little us' card, when the SOP of the Republicans in the last two election cycles has been to bash everything and everybody on the left. Now they're getting a taste of their own medicine. Now that the Dems have grown a pair.
Quote from: Hoss on August 22, 2012, 09:16:01 PM
I'll never try and change you. I don't know why many Republicans I know try and change me. It's the same as proselytizing.
I think we
all would like to believe that just maybe something we post (or say elsewhere) will cause someone to think a bit outside of their political box and see the light. The reality is that the probability of that happening is somewhat near zero.
QuoteI'm in my mid 40s and likely will never change my views of the right and politics in general.
Your mind is made up. I won't try to confuse you with facts. ;D
QuoteEspecially the kooky side that has somehow taken hold of the mainstream.
FOX is not the entire mainstream. In fact, many claim it is not the mainstream at all. If you are only talking about the extreme right becoming a big voice in the Republican Party in general, I would agree. Unfortunately, I still see the left as worse so my lesser of two evils is not the same as yours. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for someone to claim that Obama in really a Republican.
QuoteI guess I call BS now that the republicans are playing the 'poor little us' card, when the SOP of the Republicans in the last two election cycles has been to bash everything and everybody on the left. Now they're getting a taste of their own medicine. Now that the Dems have grown a pair.
I call BS on the concept that the left has always played nice until now.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 22, 2012, 06:55:36 PM
For a man with such a fine education, he sure gets misunderstood a lot. Either that or his supporters are trying to cover for him.
He does not get misunderstood. Every now and then he slips and says exactly what he feels. His dependence on the Teleprompter is not so that he can speak publicly. He's an excellent speaker without it. The Teleprompter is so that he doesn't speak publicly.
Every one of his "off prompter" moments opens a window into President Obama real political philosophy. He doesn't stumble, or correct himself. Sure there are lots of "ums" and "uhs" but thats because he is trying very hard to communicate without speaking his mind. When you stammer as you speak, it is because your brain is attempting to edit your message and fill the dead space in the process.
As far as President Obama being a constitutional scholar, I think he is quite well versed in constitutional law, but he sees it as unjust, and his goals are to fundamentally transform it.
Quote from: Gaspar on August 23, 2012, 07:27:53 AM
He does not get misunderstood. Every now and then he slips and says exactly what he feels. His dependence on the Teleprompter is not so that he can speak publicly. He's an excellent speaker without it. The Teleprompter is so that he doesn't speak publicly.
Every one of his "off prompter" moments opens a window into President Obama real political philosophy. He doesn't stumble, or correct himself. Sure there are lots of "ums" and "uhs" but thats because he is trying very hard to communicate without speaking his mind. When you stammer as you speak, it is because your brain is attempting to edit your message and fill the dead space in the process.
As far as President Obama being a constitutional scholar, I think he is quite well versed in constitutional law, but he sees it as unjust, and his goals are to fundamentally transform it.
Wow, you could knock me over with a feather. I've seen posts about black helicopters around here. They could apply to you as well.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 22, 2012, 09:43:55 PM
It will be interesting to see how long it takes for someone to claim that Obama in really a Republican.
Wow! You really are getting old! You and I have had that small discussion here before where I said pretty much that and you disagreed....
He has been acting like a moderate Republican - even going so far as taking their previous positions and getting them passed - mandatory participation in health insurance just like Mitt! He's just a "me too" copycat....
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 23, 2012, 08:36:37 AM
Wow! You really are getting old! You and I have had that small discussion here before where I said pretty much that and you disagreed....
Talk about old ... It took you almost 11 hours to come back with that. I was expecting something last night.
And we still disagree.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 23, 2012, 12:11:16 PM
Talk about old ... It took you almost 11 hours to come back with that. I was expecting something last night.
And we still disagree.
I was busy. Sleeping last night and working today... ain't it a bit$h?
Does racial bias fuel Obama foes? How to tell?
http://news.yahoo.com/does-racial-bias-fuel-obama-foes-tell-174202068--election.html
Her conclusion is based on something called "implicit bias"— prejudices that people don't realize they have.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 22, 2012, 08:58:21 PM
I believe the rank and file Democratic voters are every bit the lemmings you claim the Republican voters to be. (See again, I can do that twice.)
But that's just a belief...the other is fact! Can be shown with known and well proven engineering principles....
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on September 10, 2012, 10:06:07 PM
But that's just a belief...the other is fact! Can be shown with known and well proven engineering principles....
You are blowing smoke again.
Quote from: Red Arrow on September 10, 2012, 11:08:22 PM
You are blowing smoke again.
No, sadly...if it was legal, maybe. But not now. Unlike the RWRE, I not only don't break the law (much - no major felonies), and also cannot afford to buy Congress. So, I am just stuck here in the middle with you....and the rest of us.