http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120810_16_A10_Thelon654452
I find it pretty incredible how citizens and their mindless leaders continue to follow the same mistaken steps year after year.
Now, our water has been poisoned as well due to inept leadership that hid the water system failures.
Meanwhile, The Vision Thingy that provides mainly entertainment and corporate welfare continues to be the priority set by Chamberites. It's pathetic forward thinking. American Airlines has been the beneficiary of $750 million and to what end?
The irony is that on a National level these "forward" thinking directors hate tax increases unless it's localized and then they love it.
Their priorities are all screwed up. Nobody wants to move to a city that is unhealthy, uneducated, unprepared for quality living, and unsafe. But we have an arena and a ballpark and a limp downtown with a bankrupt subsidized economic base....whoopee.
"Move" you say? Far the f#$k away....within 10 years.
Thanks for the heads up.
What have you done to make things better that I might be able to mimic?
Quote from: Townsend on August 10, 2012, 10:39:49 AM
Thanks for the heads up.
What have you done to make things better that I might be able to mimic?
ST, by talking up the issue I would hope something other than your reply. Are you that lazy or stupid like the Tulsa World who backpaged this article prioritizing a movie, a lit cigarette, and a lousy Vision?
Sorry that you think pollution is a community asset.
Are you part of the problem?
Your posts are not helpful and as we've all discussed, you come off as a worthless jackass.
Congratulations worthless jackass.
Have a worthless jackass day.
Worthless jackass.
Quote from: Townsend on August 10, 2012, 10:53:44 AM
Your posts are not helpful and as we've all discussed, you come off as a worthless jackass.
Congratulations worthless jackass.
Have a worthless jackass day.
Worthless jackass.
Proof...thanks.
Now, is TNF going to discuss these issues or sweep them under the carpet like Stevie?
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 10, 2012, 10:55:30 AM
Proof...thanks.
Proof that you're a Worthless Jackass? Hardly. You provide that with every post.
Investing in the community, under whatever guise is necessary to avoid the anti tax/anti government crowd, I support.
I do not like or support the "deal closing fund" of some 53million. I never paid for my women, and I don't like a city that pays for its companionship. Hows that for macho?
The Ozone Alert program is ridiculous. What do they expect people to do?
Lawn care business types aren't going to take half the summer off work.
People aren't going to drive less. We've built our city with no other option. We continue to do the same.
We're staunch believers in the "save the planet by not doing anything differently while we wait for someone to make our current way of living greener."
We can't even schedule construction at night to minimize idling. Even on I-44 in the middle of nowhere between Springfield and Joplin they've been doing their construction exclusively at night. But we cannot do the same here. If I were a construction worker, I think I'd rather work at night instead of dealing with this summer's heat.
Quote from: TheTed on August 10, 2012, 11:39:13 AM
We can't even schedule construction at night to minimize idling. Even on I-44 in the middle of nowhere between Springfield and Joplin they've been doing their construction exclusively at night. But we cannot do the same here. If I were a construction worker, I think I'd rather work at night instead of dealing with this summer's heat.
I've wondered that too. Especially driving by the Creek construction with my car reading 116.
Quote from: TheTed on August 10, 2012, 11:39:13 AM
The Ozone Alert program is ridiculous. What do they expect people to do?
Lawn care business types aren't going to take half the summer off work.
People aren't going to drive less. We've built our city with no other option. We continue to do the same.
We're staunch believers in the "save the planet by not doing anything differently while we wait for someone to make our current way of living greener."
We can't even schedule construction at night to minimize idling. Even on I-44 in the middle of nowhere between Springfield and Joplin they've been doing their construction exclusively at night. But we cannot do the same here. If I were a construction worker, I think I'd rather work at night instead of dealing with this summer's heat.
The ozone alert program is intended to educate everyday citizens on what they can do to help make a difference. It is not geared to talking to industry (including emitters, construction and lawn care companies). There are other efforts to reach them.
The highway construction this summer is a real factor in our high ozone levels. We have never had so many cars going two miles an hour on so many different roads before. The weather this summer has also been impossible to work with. We have had no wind.
Quote from: Townsend on August 10, 2012, 11:50:30 AMEspecially driving by the Creek construction with my car reading 116.
You're lucky you didn't go to jail going that fast.
;D
Quote from: TheTed on August 10, 2012, 11:39:13 AM
The Ozone Alert program is ridiculous. What do they expect people to do?
People aren't going to drive less. We've built our city with no other option. We continue to do the same.
I was under the impression that ride Tulsa Transit (free or cheap, I forget which) on Ozone alert days was at least moderately successful.
Quote from: AquaMan on August 10, 2012, 11:10:45 AM
I never paid for my women,
Really? Not even drinks or a dinner? I am (skeptically) impressed.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 10, 2012, 04:32:32 PM
Really? Not even drinks or a dinner? I am (skeptically) impressed.
As a clergyman might say, intent is everything. I didn't buy them drinks or dinner to get them into bed. I was just glad for the company and figured my personality and attitude would win them over. Moderate success.
I wouldn't be averse to keeping an entertainment fund to buy drinks and dinner for prospective businesses considering our locale. But I think that is probably already budgeted by the city and the Chamber. Seems an odd time to be floating a Vision bond proposal. Maybe they suspect the economy is improving.
Quote from: AquaMan on August 10, 2012, 07:35:30 PM
I wouldn't be averse to keeping an entertainment fund to buy drinks and dinner for prospective businesses considering our locale.
You obviously don't deal in government contracts. Such actions are strictly verboten.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 10, 2012, 09:20:02 PM
You obviously don't deal in government contracts. Such actions are strictly verboten.
You mean it's verboten if it's a small amount of money. If we want to give them millions, on the other hand, that's perfectly OK.
Quote from: nathanm on August 10, 2012, 11:28:59 PM
You mean it's verboten if it's a small amount of money. If we want to give them millions, on the other hand, that's perfectly OK.
That's above my pay grade. You must be a 1%er to have that information.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 11, 2012, 09:33:19 AM
That's above my pay grade. You must be a 1%er to have that information.
I probably was a 1%er in consumption of the written word until MySpace and Facebook came along. I'm sure these days I look more like a rank amateur. Those lolcats are often surprisingly wordy.
Quote from: nathanm on August 11, 2012, 05:39:09 PM
I probably was a 1%er in consumption of the written word until MySpace and Facebook came along.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCfLZ054yc8
The number one reason we need to get the judiciary hired up is the Teapublicans have stacked the deck and when it comes to new appointees, just like on economic policy, their obstinate position has created too much uncertainty and delivered a lack of confidence in the nation's ability to move
forward.
QuoteEDITORIAL
Another Rebuff for Cleaner Air
Published: August 22, 2012
What's a federal agency to do? Twice in the last eight years, the Environmental Protection Agency has issued carefully vetted rules aimed at reducing air pollution that crosses state lines — the smog-forming nitrogen oxide pollutants and health-threatening sulfur dioxide that drift eastward from Midwestern power plants. And, in both cases, the agency has been shot down by the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.
The first rule, issued in 2005, was aimed at reducing these pollutants by up to 70 percent. Unlike most programs of the George W. Bush administration, it won swift approval from environmentalists. But it was struck down by a three-judge panel in 2008 for largely technical reasons, one of which was that the complex emissions trading system it established could allow some states to escape their obligations to cut emissions.
In July last year, the agency finalized a rule that addressed the glitches while requiring even greater pollution reductions. Several power companies and states sued, and, this week, another three-judge panel discovered flaws — including, again, in the trading system. It also said the rule had violated the Clean Air Act by imposing federal standards on polluters before the states could develop their own plans.
In an unusually blistering dissent, Judge Judith Rogers, who had joined in the 2008 ruling, said that the agency had acted well within its jurisdiction under the Clean Air Act, had done just what the court had asked of it and had been "blindsided by new arguments raised for the first time by this court." The E.P.A. now confronts a choice. It can return to the drawing board, or better yet, appeal the ruling. Another plan could take three or four years to develop. And, in that time, Americans will continue to pay the price of pollution.
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 23, 2012, 02:37:00 PM
The number one reason we need to get the judiciary hired up is the Teapublicans have stacked the deck and when it comes to new appointees, just like on economic policy, their obstinate position has created too much uncertainty and delivered a lack of confidence in the nation's ability to move forward.
Care to link your editorial?
Transport of pollutants over political boundaries is a complex issue. Trash stays where you put it, but watersheds and airsheds cross political lines.
Quote from: Townsend on August 23, 2012, 02:47:39 PM
Care to link your editorial?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/opinion/another-rebuff-to-the-epa-for-cleaner-air.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120823
sorry, missed one
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 23, 2012, 02:50:17 PM
Transport of pollutants over political boundaries is a complex issue. Trash stays where you put it, but watersheds and airsheds cross political lines.
Not at all....try this: nuclear waste.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 23, 2012, 02:50:17 PM
Trash stays where you put it, but watersheds and airsheds cross political lines.
Keep Oklahoma clean, dump your trash in Kansas.