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Title: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Gaspar on July 27, 2012, 10:36:09 AM
I just got President Obama's most recent fund raising letter:

My upcoming birthday next week could be the last one I celebrate as President of the United States, but that's not up to me — it's up to you.

This July deadline is our most urgent yet, coming after two consecutive months of being significantly outraised by Romney and the Republicans.

And if you pitch in $3 or whatever you can before midnight tonight, you and a guest will be automatically entered to join me at my birthday get-together next month:

https://donate.barackobama.com/My-Birthday

Thanks. Hope I'll see you soon.

- Barack



Funny how all of his fundraising communications have to do with HIM rather than any issues related to his job. . .and you are always entered to win something, usually also related to attention from him.  His fundraising efforts are just very strange, and related more to a cult of personality than actual leadership.

I wonder what would happen if he wrote a fundraising letter that addressed all of the issues and important goals that he has, and rather than promising the poor bloke an opportunity to eat McNuggets and play footsie, it could make the promise of increased prosperity and employment opportunity, and line out the steps necessary to get there?


Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: RecycleMichael on July 27, 2012, 10:51:02 AM
Quote from: Gaspar on July 27, 2012, 10:36:09 AM
Funny how all of his fundraising communications have to do with HIM rather than any issues related to his job.

You expect him to say, "Give me money and I will support your issues?"

You have no idea how campaign fundraising works. Any campaign you would be involved in would probably be filled with ethics violations.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: AquaMan on July 27, 2012, 10:57:56 AM
Gaspar, you new to politics? Ever gotten a postcard from your Senator?

"Its important to me how my district feels about Obama Care. Please help me by answering the following questions so I may represent my district accurately."

    Check one:
        -ObamaCare is a travesty that will destroy the moral fabric of America
        -ObamaCare has some good intentions but is fatally flawed and should be repealed
        -ObamaCare is creeping SOCIALISM and its authors are unAmerican
        -I don't understand the Affordable HealthCare Act and thus support it because I like hopey changy things.

"Thank you for helping me in my quest to rid the country of unfamiliar business practices."
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Hoss on July 27, 2012, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: Gaspar on July 27, 2012, 10:36:09 AM
I just got President Obama's most recent fund raising letter:

My upcoming birthday next week could be the last one I celebrate as President of the United States, but that's not up to me — it's up to you.

This July deadline is our most urgent yet, coming after two consecutive months of being significantly outraised by Romney and the Republicans.

And if you pitch in $3 or whatever you can before midnight tonight, you and a guest will be automatically entered to join me at my birthday get-together next month:

https://donate.barackobama.com/My-Birthday

Thanks. Hope I'll see you soon.

- Barack



Funny how all of his fundraising communications have to do with HIM rather than any issues related to his job. . .and you are always entered to win something, usually also related to attention from him.  His fundraising efforts are just very strange, and related more to a cult of personality than actual leadership.

I wonder what would happen if he wrote a fundraising letter that addressed all of the issues and important goals that he has, and rather than promising the poor bloke an opportunity to eat McNuggets and play footsie, it could make the promise of increased prosperity and employment opportunity, and line out the steps necessary to get there?




It's ODS at its finest.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Gaspar on July 27, 2012, 11:13:53 AM
Quote from: RecycleMichael on July 27, 2012, 10:51:02 AM
You expect him to say, "Give me money and I will support your issues?"

You have no idea how campaign fundraising works. Any campaign you would be involved in would probably be filled with ethics violations.

What do you mean?  I've seen dozens of fundraising letters and have even written some.

The formula is rather simple.

This is what they typically look like for an incombant:

1. The first paragraph is used to remind your reader of the great strives you've made, and successes you have had, and illustrate how you delivered your campaign promises, but allude that their is still more work to do.

2. The second paragraph outlines the threat to this success posed by your counterpart.

3. The third paragraph outlines your plans for the future and how they positively affect your constituents, then reminds them that their help and support is necessary.

4. In the last paragraph you close, by asking for a donation and/or further involvement in your campaign.

Sure there are all kinds of variation, but the idea is to SHOW them what you've done, TELL them what the other candidate will do, and ASK them for support. What president Obama does in his fundraising letters is just weird, but I suppose it does resonate with a well researched demographic.  Axelrod is no dummy!

Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Conan71 on July 27, 2012, 01:39:17 PM
Quote from: RecycleMichael on July 27, 2012, 10:51:02 AM
You expect him to say, "Give me money and I will support your issues?"


That's politics in a nutshell, isn't it?

I'm thinking about sending President Obama $3.00.  I think it would be a hoot to have a beer and some birthday cake with him.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: AquaMan on July 27, 2012, 01:47:39 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on July 27, 2012, 01:39:17 PM
That's politics in a nutshell, isn't it?

I'm thinking about sending President Obama $3.00.  I think it would be a hoot to have a beer and some birthday cake with him.

Wow. I thought I was cynical!

Be careful Conan, it may change your life.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Gaspar on July 27, 2012, 03:49:50 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on July 27, 2012, 01:39:17 PM
That's politics in a nutshell, isn't it?

I'm thinking about sending President Obama $3.00.  I think it would be a hoot to have a beer and some birthday cake with him.

You'd probably just faint at his feet.  Happens all the time.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Conan71 on July 27, 2012, 04:21:03 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on July 27, 2012, 03:49:50 PM
You'd probably just faint at his feet.  Happens all the time.

Do you think if he got drunk enough, I could talk him into bowing to me?
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Teatownclown on July 29, 2012, 03:37:39 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/576101_463143623703957_1964054220_n.jpg)

Hard to believe so many corporatists are throwing stockholder value at Mittens....
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Conan71 on July 30, 2012, 11:13:37 AM
Quote from: Teatownclown on July 29, 2012, 03:37:39 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/576101_463143623703957_1964054220_n.jpg)

Hard to believe so many corporatists are throwing stockholder value at Mittens....

The Dims took advantage of the falling economy in '08.  As I recall you were cheering for it.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: nathanm on July 30, 2012, 12:22:55 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on July 30, 2012, 11:13:37 AM
The Dims took advantage of the falling economy in '08.

They may have been making hay rhetorically, but they were not the ones voting against the necessary action (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml), as the Republicans were during TARP, they were during the debt ceiling "crisis", and they continue to be against needed measures.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Gaspar on August 01, 2012, 10:25:54 AM
You guys better get on it and send some money for his birthday and stuff.  It's getting weird.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/obama-supporters-barraged-with-pleas-for-cash/
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Townsend on August 01, 2012, 10:29:23 AM
Quote from: Gaspar on August 01, 2012, 10:25:54 AM
It's getting weird.


How so?
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Hoss on August 01, 2012, 10:44:31 AM
Quote from: Townsend on August 01, 2012, 10:29:23 AM
How so?

Because Gas thinks it is, so that makes it so?
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Conan71 on August 01, 2012, 10:46:43 AM
QuoteVice President Joe Biden warned on the same day that Mr. Obama would lose if "the other side spends us into oblivion."

I bet it's never dawned on crazy Uncle Joe that pathetic job performance is what will make him a one term veep, not Romney outspending the Obama team.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Gaspar on August 01, 2012, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on August 01, 2012, 10:46:43 AM
I bet it's never dawned on crazy Uncle Joe that pathetic job performance is what will make him a one term veep, not Romney outspending the Obama team.

Romney has raised far less money than Obama has.  President Obama's candidacy works just like his presidency. He is spending faster than he is earning with fewer results.  The campaign machine that President Obama has assembled is massive in comparison to Romney's and costs far more to run.  Plus President Obama is not on the hook for the massive transportation costs that Romney has to manage.

If President Obama has a "sad birthday," it will be for the same reason he's had a sad presidency.  Lack of basic economic understanding.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Townsend on August 01, 2012, 11:30:39 AM
Presidential candidates have already raised and spent millions of dollars in the 2012 campaign, as we know from the reports they're required to file each month with the Federal Election Commission. Here OpenSecrets.org highlights how the White House hopefuls are stacking up in the money chase, highlighting a comparison of the front-runners.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/ (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/)
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Conan71 on August 01, 2012, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: Gaspar on August 01, 2012, 11:25:25 AM
Romney has raised far less money than Obama has.  President Obama's candidacy works just like his presidency. He is spending faster than he is earning with fewer results.  The campaign machine that President Obama has assembled is massive in comparison to Romney's and costs far more to run.  Plus President Obama is not on the hook for the massive transportation costs that Romney has to manage.

If President Obama has a "sad birthday," it will be for the same reason he's had a sad presidency.  Lack of basic economic understanding.

According to Townsend's link Obama is out-raising Romney 2:1.

I guess I should expect the Obama camp's memes by now.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Townsend on August 01, 2012, 11:56:35 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on August 01, 2012, 11:36:28 AM
According to Townsend's link Obama is out-raising Romney 2:1.

I guess I should expect the Obama camp's memes by now.

The trick to winning is to make sure enough of your followers swallow what your side is cooking.

Think about what people were willing to believe two years ago.  Them; "They lied to me!"  Them's friends; "No smile?"
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: nathanm on August 01, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on August 01, 2012, 11:25:25 AM
Romney has raised far less money than Obama has.

Romney-supporting SuperPACs, on the other hand, have raised far more money than Obama and SuperPACs that support him combined. I guess it helps when you have folks willing to write hundred million dollar checks.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: AquaMan on August 01, 2012, 06:19:19 PM
One man's memes are another mans facts.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Conan71 on August 02, 2012, 11:24:49 AM
Quote from: nathanm on August 01, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
Romney-supporting SuperPACs, on the other hand, have raised far more money than Obama and SuperPACs that support him combined. I guess it helps when you have folks willing to write hundred million dollar checks.

Obama simply has large donors writing checks directly to his campaign, it would appear:

Obama

Small Indiv Contrib.      $121,550,222
Large Indiv. Contrib.    $181,407,165
Individual contributions  $299,645,308

   PAC contributions   $0
   Candidate self-financing   $0
   Federal Funds   $0
   Other   $489,056


Romney:

Small Indiv. Contrib.       $25,524,381
Large Indiv. Contrib.       $128,280,356   
Individual contributions   $152,546,034

   PAC contributions   $811,681
   Candidate self-financing   $52,500
   Federal Funds   $0
   Other   $127,544
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Gaspar on August 02, 2012, 12:23:38 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on August 02, 2012, 11:24:49 AM
Obama simply has large donors writing checks directly to his campaign, it would appear:

Obama

Small Indiv Contrib.      $121,550,222
Large Indiv. Contrib.    $181,407,165
Individual contributions  $299,645,308

   PAC contributions   $0
   Candidate self-financing   $0
   Federal Funds   $0
   Other   $489,056


Romney:

Small Indiv. Contrib.       $25,524,381
Large Indiv. Contrib.       $128,280,356   
Individual contributions   $152,546,034

   PAC contributions   $811,681
   Candidate self-financing   $52,500
   Federal Funds   $0
   Other   $127,544

You do know that this makes no difference, right?  They have to have "the underdog."  It's part of who they are.

If President Obama raised a zillion dollars and spent two zillion he would still be the victim, because liberals admire victims over victors.  They simply employ a different lexicon.

A refresher in the terminology:
Success = Evil
Responsibility = Greed
Victim = Hero
Failure = Someone else's fault
Spending = Giving
Faith = Hatred
Constitution = Old piece of paper written by dead guys without smart-phones.
Free Speech = Hate Speech
Disagreement = Racism
Private Sector = Evil 1%
Entrepreneur = Moocher of government services
Job Creator = Someone who is not smart enough to live off the government
Welfare = Job
Food Stamps = Progress
Unemployment = New Voter, also = Job growth
No longer seeking work = Transition from unemployment to permanent voter, also = Job growth

Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Townsend on August 02, 2012, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on August 02, 2012, 12:23:38 PM
You do know that this makes no difference, right?  They have to have "the underdog."  It's part of who they are.

If President Obama raised a zillion dollars and spent two zillion he would still be the victim, because liberals admire victims over victors.  They simply employ a different lexicon.



You wash yourself after pulling these things out of your rectum right?
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Gaspar on August 02, 2012, 12:38:32 PM
Quote from: Townsend on August 02, 2012, 12:29:59 PM
You wash yourself after pulling these things out of your rectum right?

The health department requires it.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Townsend on August 02, 2012, 12:45:44 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on August 02, 2012, 12:38:32 PM
The health department requires it.

Not enforced as much as you'd wish for here in OK.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Conan71 on August 02, 2012, 02:02:52 PM
Quote from: Townsend on August 02, 2012, 12:45:44 PM
Not enforced as much as you'd wish for here in OK.

I've been to Gaspar's house.  He's got a sign in the bathroom.
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: Townsend on August 02, 2012, 02:11:55 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on August 02, 2012, 02:02:52 PM
I've been to Gaspar's house.  He's got a sign in the bathroom.

Laves sus manos?
Title: Re: Fun With Fundraising
Post by: nathanm on August 02, 2012, 03:02:44 PM
Reported amounts raised by conservative-leaning SuperPACs (only counting the ones that have raised more than a million dollars, it's too tedious to add up the remainder) as of the last reporting cycle were just under $207 million. The liberal leaning ones are around $110 million. And Romney isn't even the nominee yet, so for arcane campaign-finance rule reasons he's in a bit of fundraising limbo at the moment. (As I understand it, anyway)