http://www.newson6.com/story/19030029/climbing-real-estate-prices-force-blue-dome-diner-to-close
Climbing Real Estate Prices Force Blue Dome Diner To Close
TULSA, Oklahoma -
A downtown Tulsa favorite is closing its doors, at least for now.
The Blue Dome Diner has been at its current location on Second Street between Elgin and Detroit Avenues for years.
Brian Preitt has operated the diner for six years, in the same spot that housed the legendary Route 66 Diner.
But, he said, real estate prices are changing downtown and he just can't keep up.
"Either you're selling $15 plate of eggs or an $8 plate of eggs," he said. "It just depends on what, where you value what you're spending on where you work, you know?"
The Blue Dome Diner will close July 29.
Preitt said he's looking for another location but hasn't found anything yet.
Guess who the property owner is. This is complete and utter bullshit. He said that they aren't renewing the lease. What are you going to do Sager, gut the blue dome diner and then forget how to finish a project again? If this restaurant sucked I definitely wouldn't care, but instead I am livid.
Quote from: EricP on July 15, 2012, 07:24:57 PM
Guess who the property owner is. This is complete and utter bullshit. He said that they aren't renewing the lease. What are you going to do Sager, gut the blue dome diner and then forget how to finish a project again? If this restaurant sucked I definitely wouldn't care, but instead I am livid.
Correctomundo EP. The Penguin strikes again.
The Penguin found somebody who will pay for all the improvements.
I am sure it's top secret. There's going to be too many restaurants chasing too few dollars if you ask me.
And It's Prewitt not Preitt.
Quote from: BKDotCom on July 15, 2012, 07:23:35 PM
http://www.newson6.com/story/19030029/climbing-real-estate-prices-force-blue-dome-diner-to-close
Climbing Real Estate Prices Force Blue Dome Diner To Close
TULSA, Oklahoma -
A downtown Tulsa favorite is closing its doors, at least for now.
The Blue Dome Diner has been at its current location on Second Street between Elgin and Detroit Avenues for years.
Brian Preitt has operated the diner for six years, in the same spot that housed the legendary Route 66 Diner.
But, he said, real estate prices are changing downtown and he just can't keep up.
"Either you're selling $15 plate of eggs or an $8 plate of eggs," he said. "It just depends on what, where you value what you're spending on where you work, you know?"
The Blue Dome Diner will close July 29.
Preitt said he's looking for another location but hasn't found anything yet.
I've been there a few times with a club I belong to. It was nice but not spectacular. Unfortunately, this comes under the category of unintended consequences. We want development downtown. That drives up property values. That drives up rents. That makes a plate of eggs cost $15 instead of $8. People are supposed to be willing to pay a premium price to do things downtown. Evidently, Tulsa isn't ready to pay $15 for a plate of eggs.
I'm still disappointed to see it go.
Next step will be for someone to have the bright idea to get rid of some of those old buildings so we can put up some nice shiny new ones.....
I guess we could just pass a law preventing shysters like Sager from owning property...
Blue Dome is joining the ranks of restaurants which are gone but not forgot...It's a shame. Maybe they can put a nice Quick Trip in there? ;)
I'm gonna miss the great breakfasts, fantastic music, mismatched plates and silverware. An IHOP, it's not...RIP, BD...
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 15, 2012, 08:39:10 PM
Next step will be for someone to have the bright idea to get rid of some of those old buildings so we can put up some nice shiny new ones.....
I guess we could just pass a law preventing shysters like Sager from owning property...
Where have you been? Those buildings will become surface parking after the moratorium ends.
OK legal eagles, can zoning laws require a type of appearance of a new building? Some other type of law?
This really does suck. Great food and a great value. Loved their breakfast.
What other downtown place can compete as far as offering an awesome breakfast? Dilly Deli is the complete opposite of this place. Small portions and high prices (but now you can pay for cereal at a restaurant!).
Hopefully Atlas Grill comes back from its brunch hiatus. It may be my only remaining hope for downtown breakfast.
The buildings not going down. Yokazuma has a long term lease.
And you can't just take property, Heir.
Quote from: Teatownclown on July 15, 2012, 10:23:41 PM
And you can't just take property, Heir.
...but you can use Eminent Domain to build a McDonalds...
Sager should run for mayor.
Sager has got a new tenant...
Purportedly, they are willing to pay a shut ton more in rent and will be making $800,000 in tenant improvements to the property... $800K is a lot of cash for a build out in that existing structure. That sounds like a gut job with big backers. Makes me wonder if it's a chain.
Sager gave him 30 days notice, classy. Brian's a nice guy and the whole thing pisses me off but that's capitalism...
Just wish we'd go after Sager to get our cash back on the ghost lofts.
Quote from: brunoflipper on July 16, 2012, 07:59:14 AM
Sager has got a new tenant...
Purportedly, they are willing to pay a shut ton more in rent and will be making $800,000 in tenant improvements to the property... $800K is a lot of cash for a build out in that existing structure. That sounds like a gut job with big backers. Makes me wonder if it's a chain.
Sager gave him 30 days notice, classy. Brian's a nice guy and the whole thing pisses me off but that's capitalism...
Just wish we'd go after Sager to get our cash back on the ghost lofts.
Not much to gut except up front.
I was never impressed with their food but had vendors from DC that loved it so they always took us there.
It would be nice if the city would refuse to issue a permit to him to do anything else downtown until he finishes his lofts.
Quote from: Weatherdemon on July 16, 2012, 08:15:43 AM
Not much to gut except up front.
I was never impressed with their food but had vendors from DC that loved it so they always took us there.
It would be nice if the city would refuse to issue a permit to him to do anything else downtown until he finishes his lofts.
Could the city do this? Since he has used public funds it would be nice for the city to step in and say "no"... I know that probably isn't a possibility but it sure would be nice.
Quote from: brunoflipper on July 16, 2012, 07:59:14 AM
Sager has got a new tenant...
Purportedly, they are willing to pay a shut ton more in rent and will be making $800,000 in tenant improvements to the property... $800K is a lot of cash for a build out in that existing structure. That sounds like a gut job with big backers. Makes me wonder if it's a chain.
Sager gave him 30 days notice, classy. Brian's a nice guy and the whole thing pisses me off but that's capitalism...
Just wish we'd go after Sager to get our cash back on the ghost lofts.
With that kind of jack its a shame they don't build.
There are three empty buildings east of McNellies/Albert G's. What's wrong with those?
That's disappointing, it's a nice destination to ride to on Saturdays and the food was pretty good. Curious if the Nelson's Ranch House is in operation right now or not. Seems like it was closed then it was open. I realize it's not in the CBD, but fairly close, and I'd think fairly reasonable- that is assuming the Nelson's aren't using it at the moment.
TW story mentions Whittier Square area.
QuotePrewitt said he has been checking out possible locations in the Whittier Square area, as well as other parts of Tulsa, "but there is nothing so far that is instantly ready to move in, and I don't have the capital to build out."
http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx?Blue_Dome_Diner_to_close_end_of_July/21-16069
Quote from: Conan71 on July 16, 2012, 11:01:26 AM
That's disappointing, it's a nice destination to ride to on Saturdays and the food was pretty good. Curious if the Nelson's Ranch House is in operation right now or not. Seems like it was closed then it was open. I realize it's not in the CBD, but fairly close, and I'd think fairly reasonable- that is assuming the Nelson's aren't using it at the moment.
Yes it is open. I drove by 3rd and Utica last Friday morning and he had a lady with a sign waving at drivers.
Quote from: AquaMan on July 16, 2012, 11:55:18 AM
Yes it is open. I drove by 3rd and Utica last Friday morning and he had a lady with a sign waving at drivers.
What was she wearing?
At first I thought she was a panhandler but she seemed to know everyone driving by so I figured she was pimping for a politician or selling something illegal. Then I read the sign and remembered they had moved nearby.She was pimping for a restaurant I guess.
I don't remember her dress.
if i had a magic wand, i'd toss out 'treehouse' and put brian prewitt in there...
that would be kickass...
Never been there. Is this place one of those throwbacks that conjure memories or something?
Quote from: guido911 on July 16, 2012, 01:10:05 PM
Never been there. Is this place one of those throwbacks that conjure memories or something?
Hole in the wall breakfast place, always busy. Friendly service, decent food (blueberry pancakes are ridiculous). Feels like Tulsa.
I do like the Blue Dome Diner's food, but overall it was pretty much a dump. A dump, but that guy sure could cook.
And the bathrooms! Scary. Gross. Gross and scary, that's what they are/were.
Quote from: AngieBrumley on July 16, 2012, 02:34:38 PM
And the bathrooms! Scary. Gross. Gross and scary, that's what they are/were.
True. I don't think they'd been cleaned since DFest...
The complaint that they would need to sell $15 eggs is absurd. Dilly Deli is not all that expensive. You can get a full lunch for $7.50. It sounds like the landlord has someone ready and willing to pay higher rent and invest in a buildout. If that's true, than I guess its just business. But I don't think it's truthful to say that to locate anywhere in downtown that you would need to charge excessive prices. There are tons of reasonably priced restaurants downtown. It sounds like they were just outbid. One thing I always thought about Blue Dome diner was that it was way oversized with the back room. It sounds like someone wants to use the entire space, including the backroom. If it is more development downtown, I guess I'm for it, though its a shame that Blue Dome diner has to leave. It wasn't the best breakfast in town, but it was pretty good and I enjoyed having breakfast and lunch there from time to time.
Quote from: DowntownDan on July 16, 2012, 03:53:32 PM
The complaint that they would need to sell $15 eggs is absurd. Dilly Deli is not all that expensive. You can get a full lunch for $7.50. It sounds like the landlord has someone ready and willing to pay higher rent and invest in a buildout. If that's true, than I guess its just business. But I don't think it's truthful to say that to locate anywhere in downtown that you would need to charge excessive prices. There are tons of reasonably priced restaurants downtown. It sounds like they were just outbid. One thing I always thought about Blue Dome diner was that it was way oversized with the back room. It sounds like someone wants to use the entire space, including the backroom. If it is more development downtown, I guess I'm for it, though its a shame that Blue Dome diner has to leave. It wasn't the best breakfast in town, but it was pretty good and I enjoyed having breakfast and lunch there from time to time.
Anyone but Kitchell...
Oh and the bathrooms really were nasty. A small renovation could have really made a huge difference. Even some upkeep would be nice.
That place sticks with you. The grease in your gut, the bathroom filth on your shoes and the smell on your clothes rest of the day. All in all, one of my favorite breakfast places in town. Sorry to see it go.
Quote from: DowntownDan on July 16, 2012, 03:53:32 PM
Dilly Deli is not all that expensive. You can get a full lunch for $7.50.
This is incorrect. I just checked their menu and there is only one lunch item (out of a few dozen) under $7.50, which obviously does not include a beverage, tax, and tip.
http://www.dillydelitulsa.com/wp-content/uploads/Dilly_Deli_Menu.pdf (http://www.dillydelitulsa.com/wp-content/uploads/Dilly_Deli_Menu.pdf)
I guess I mean't $7.95. The half and half lunch special is a lot of food. And even if your spending $10 for a full meal, it's not outrageous by any means unless you're comparing it to McDonald's dollar menu, in which case, I wouldn't expect those people to be eating downtown anyway. And this is all in relation to the $15 eggs comment. That statement is just super hyperbole at best.
I will miss the place. We had many a party in the back room. Every year our kid's schools would have trivia night or Jazz nights as fundraisers. I gave a five minute, fifteen slide powerpoint, precisely timed, speech there once on composting to a very drunk crowd.
Brian catered my 50th birthday party as well.
When he gets a place, I will support him. His food is good.
Quote from: DowntownDan on July 16, 2012, 03:53:32 PM
The complaint that they would need to sell $15 eggs is absurd. Dilly Deli is not all that expensive. You can get a full lunch for $7.50.
One of your statements was disproved, but I'll go ahead and point out that the owner of Dilly Deli owns the building. It's not a landlord situation. And you know why he owns the building? because it makes it cheaper to operate.
Quote from: Teatownclown on July 15, 2012, 10:23:41 PM
The buildings not going down. Yokazuma has a long term lease.
And you can't just take property, Heir.
What?? I cannot believe you said that...you have been in development here for what...38 years, I think you said??
That means you started right in the heyday of when urban renewal started taking down all the old buildings in downtown... you weren't involved in destroying the Orpheum or Rialto, were you??
Well, if you want all the good parts, with clean restrooms... go to Burke's Kenosha Cafe in Broken Arrow - Kenosha, east of Aspen (71st, east of 145th). Best place short of going all the way to Coweta to the Green Parrot (on Main). Actually, better food than Green Parrot, just not quite as good an ambience...
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 16, 2012, 10:22:47 PM
Well, if you want all the good parts, with clean restrooms... go to Burke's Kenosha Cafe in Broken Arrow - Kenosha, east of Aspen (71st, east of 145th). Best place short of going all the way to Coweta to the Green Parrot (on Main). Actually, better food than Green Parrot, just not quite as good an ambience...
I'll try to make to either of those places after the post mortem of the apparent crap hole that is the subject of this thread :o is done. Man, I was hoping to feel a little bad for this place going away.
Quote from: guido911 on July 16, 2012, 11:14:29 PM
I'll try to make to either of those places after the post mortem of the apparent crap hole that is the subject of this thread :o is done.
i was really reluctant to mention Kenosha Cafe, 'cause it is good enough I kind of want to keep it small, so doesn't get ruined. But the people are really good and the food is very good (better than that 11th and Yale place, IMO.)
Green Parrot is a place I love to go sit and just enjoy the atmosphere - they have knotty pine walls! Food is intermittent, though. Sometimes very good, sometimes - well, not as good...yeah, really not as good. Overall, have been going there for a long time, and the good outweighs the bad, by probably 70:30. Maybe 65:35. But hey, you like a little excitement and uncertainly, don't you??
Hint; I never eat anything but breakfast there....
Apple Barrel Cafe in Bixby is mighty tasty for a homestyle breakfast.
Quote from: rdj on July 17, 2012, 09:14:18 AM
Apple Barrel Cafe in Bixby is mighty tasty for a homestyle breakfast.
I was just coming here to post that as well. Good food and good service.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 16, 2012, 10:10:27 PM
What?? I cannot believe you said that...you have been in development here for what...38 years, I think you said??
That means you started right in the heyday of when urban renewal started taking down all the old buildings in downtown... you weren't involved in destroying the Orpheum or Rialto, were you??
Ouch
BDD was a great destination for the day after a downtown sleepover (concert/bar crawls/hotel). It will be missed.
Quote from: Ibanez on July 17, 2012, 09:17:24 AM
I was just coming here to post that as well. Good food and good service.
No it's not. It's horrible. Go away, stay clear. In fact, I saw it just closed today.
;)
Quote from: guido911 on July 17, 2012, 10:27:24 PM
No it's not. It's horrible. Go away, stay clear. In fact, I saw it just closed today.
;)
That's how I feel...
Will have to try it.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 17, 2012, 10:33:35 PM
That's how I feel...
Will have to try it.
Might be a bit difficult if it just closed today. I took that to mean closed as in out of business rather than just not open today. I've never been there. Guess I won't go.
I don't go out to eat much anyway. It cuts into my flying money and I need it all.
I do like Jay's Original Hoagies though. His Italian Special Plus will be really good and as close to Delaware Valley / Philly area as can be done.
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 17, 2012, 10:40:17 PM
Might be a bit difficult if it just closed today. I took that to mean closed as in out of business rather than just not open today. I've never been there. Guess I won't go.
I don't go out to eat much anyway. It cuts into my flying money and I need it all.
I do like Jay's Original Hoagies though. His Italian Special Plus will be really good and as close to Delaware Valley / Philly area as can be done.
RA, I was joking. Trying to shoo off people from Bixby's hidden gem. And you are right, Jay's kicks aquaman.
Quote from: guido911 on July 18, 2012, 12:38:49 AM
RA, I was joking. Trying to shoo off people from Bixby's hidden gem. And you are right, Jay's kicks aquaman.
Not to worry, no one here would venture that far south anyway.
Quote from: guido911 on July 18, 2012, 12:38:49 AM
RA, I was joking. Trying to shoo off people from Bixby's hidden gem. And you are right, Jay's kicks aquaman.
Keep it up little richard. Oh, yeah. Your wife said you couldn't.
I'm still a fan of Tally's breakfast. I went to BBD once and thought it was vastly overrated. Just my opinion though.
Quote from: DowntownDan on July 18, 2012, 11:00:57 AM
I'm still a fan of Tally's breakfast. I went to BBD once and thought it was vastly overrated. Just my opinion though.
Mrs. C and I think they are pretty much the same, quicker service at Tally's.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 18, 2012, 11:25:27 AM
Mrs. C and I think they are pretty much the same, quicker service at Tally's.
Tally's is close to home, isn't it? Geebus, I'd watch crossing Yale over there on your bikes. What did you do to get such a low priority for repaving?
Quote from: Teatownclown on July 18, 2012, 11:27:34 AM
Tally's is close to home, isn't it? Geebus, I'd watch crossing Yale over there on your bikes. What did you do to get such a low priority for repaving?
I dunno. The pavement has sucked on Yale from 31st to Admiral for as long as I can remember. Just like Harvard from about 45th to Admiral. Seems to follow me around ;)
for those with low observational skills (myself included)
BDD : Blue Dome Diner
BBD : Brookside By Day
both similar acronyms are floating around in this thread
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 18, 2012, 06:36:37 AM
Not to worry, no one here would venture that far south anyway.
But that's North to me. :'(
To get a little more off topic since I guess we are bored talking about the Blue Dome...I wouldn't call Apple Barrell a hidden gem, its more of a "place" that makes decent food...the potatoes are boxes, beans canned and not much is "homemade" as the sign says, I called them out on it once and they said "it was close enough"...ya..not really...
Quote from: Ibanez on July 18, 2012, 11:50:41 AM
But that's North to me. :'(
OK, there are potentially a few exceptions.
:D
Quote from: zstyles on July 18, 2012, 12:19:36 PM
To get a little more off topic since I guess we are bored talking about the Blue Dome...I wouldn't call Apple Barrell a hidden gem, its more of a "place" that makes decent food...the potatoes are boxes, beans canned and not much is "homemade" as the sign says, I called them out on it once and they said "it was close enough"...ya..not really...
You've never had canned beans or instant mashed potatoes at home?
Quote from: Conan71 on July 18, 2012, 11:40:13 AM
I dunno. The pavement has sucked on Yale from 31st to Admiral for as long as I can remember. Just like Harvard from about 45th to Admiral. Seems to follow me around ;)
Yale is fine from 15th to 21st.
A mile each direction on Yale is torn up because of the heavy dump trucks leaving Expo Square. They use Yale to go to the nearest expressway. The trucks never drive between 15th and 21st.
Apparently Sager owns the name Blue Dome Diner, so the relocated BDD will have to take a different name. He won't say what's going in there. With the use of the word "I'm" does that mean this place will be vacant for the next decade?
Quote"I'm going to take off part of the face of the building to create a covered outdoor dining space," Sager said. "We will do some cool stuff."
http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx?Developer_talks_about_plans_for_Blue_Dome_Diner_space_expects_SJ_Oyster_to_open_in_a_few_weeks/21-16108
Quote from: RecycleMichael on July 18, 2012, 12:40:31 PM
Yale is fine from 15th to 21st.
A mile each direction on Yale is torn up because of the heavy dump trucks leaving Expo Square. They use Yale to go to the nearest expressway. The trucks never drive between 15th and 21st.
You are correct. it was easier than trying to insert that the road was actually pretty good between 15th & 21st and re-done between 36th & 31st. The remainder back to 41st is like the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 18, 2012, 12:36:19 PM
You've never had canned beans or instant mashed potatoes at home?
Why would someone make instant mashed potatos (I like the "E" Mr Vice President) or canned green beans at home
before the Apocalypse?
Quote from: TheTed on July 18, 2012, 01:29:47 PM
Apparently Sager owns the name Blue Dome Diner, so the relocated BDD will have to take a different name. He won't say what's going in there. With the use of the word "I'm" does that mean this place will be vacant for the next decade?
http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx?Developer_talks_about_plans_for_Blue_Dome_Diner_space_expects_SJ_Oyster_to_open_in_a_few_weeks/21-16108
Jeez, I can't believe how irratated I get just reading words he said.
Quote from: carltonplace on July 18, 2012, 02:23:39 PM
Jeez, I can't believe how irratated I get just reading words he said.
Find out all the properties he owns, then don't ever go to anyone's business who is in one of those properties. If enough people are fed up with his nonsense, then no business will stay in business in one of his buildings, which will lead to no one renting from him, which WILL force action - most likely for him to get rid of said properties. Maybe the next owner will be better.
Quote from: carltonplace on July 18, 2012, 02:23:39 PM
Jeez, I can't believe how irratated I get just reading words he said.
Me too
Are we going to need to debate the meaning of the word "IS" now?
Quote
Sager is developing First Street Lofts above the restaurant
Tulsa World, Really? Are you even trying anymore? Does Sagar have dead hooker pics with one of the Lortons or something?
Great. This spot will be open for another decade. My only hope is that he would not close them down unless he knew for certain he had someone to fill the space. Maybe he'll make enough in rent to actually finish the loft..............sorry, couldn't even finish that sentence with a straight face.
I like how Sager looks like the antagonist from a 19th century English novel.
I wonder if he'll engrave his name on that building too.
Quote from: OSU on July 18, 2012, 03:06:47 PM
I like how Sager looks like the antagonist from a 19th century English novel.
I like how Sager looks like the antagonist from a Batman comic book.
(http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I00007OaIZ86sDDg/s/750/750/Mr-Penguin11.jpg)
BDD posted on their Facebook page last evening that they are moving to 3535 E. Admiral Pl.
More convenient for me. ;D
(everything is about me, right?)
Quote from: carltonplace on July 18, 2012, 02:20:55 PM
Why would someone make instant mashed potatos (I like the "E" Mr Vice President) or canned green beans at home before the Apocalypse?
Fast, easy. Actually, I think canned green beans taste OK if you rinse the salt off.
Instant mashed potatoes, blech.
Quote from: carltonplace on July 18, 2012, 02:20:55 PM
Why would someone make instant mashed potatos (I like the "E" Mr Vice President) or canned green beans at home before the Apocalypse?
potato singular
potatoes plural
check it out.
Instant mashed potatoes aren't that bad, for a convenience food, if and only if you eat them while they're still only a couple of degrees shy of burning your mouth. They get nasty rather quickly. Needless to say, I would not appreciate being served such a dish in a restaurant.
Quote from: nathanm on July 18, 2012, 07:31:54 PM
Instant mashed potatoes aren't that bad, for a convenience food, if and only if you eat them while they're still only a couple of degrees shy of burning your mouth. They get nasty rather quickly. Needless to say, I would not appreciate being served such a dish in a restaurant.
I wouldn't want them in a restaurant either.
Maybe we didn't eat them while they were still hot enough. I still didn't hate them though. I load stuff like that up with my dried, crushed hot pepper blend.
clown, you were kinder than I.
I imagine this:
(http://www.patriotresource.com/lotr/pics/races/urukhai.jpg)
Quote from: nathanm on July 18, 2012, 06:49:28 PM
More convenient for me. ;D
(everything is about me, right?)
We all try hard to make it so....enjoy!
3535 East Admiral is across the street from one of our recycling centers. It will be a nice addition to a struggling area.
When the Piggly Wiggly Grocery and the liquor store closed, the area lost most of the customers. There is a Hispanic bar next door that has big crowds, but that is mostly on weekend nights. It is less than a half mile from Ann's Bakery and a few blocks away from Pizza Hut and Mazzio's. There is a good Mexican restaurant called Los Unicos west of the Diner and a better one called El Burrito a couple of blocks east. There is also a Middle Eastern cafe next to Ann's.
My favorite diner in Tulsa was on Admiral just west of Harvard called Eastside Cafe. They had awesome onion rings. It closed more than a decade ago.
The neighborhood is quite different than being in the Blue Dome district. Maybe with Brian's entrance into the neighborhood will be a nice shot with a bunch of new customers and some old customers like me.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on July 19, 2012, 12:05:10 PM
3535 East Admiral is across the street from one of our recycling centers. It will be a nice addition to a struggling area.
When the Piggly Wiggly Grocery and the liquor store closed, the area lost most of the customers. There is a Hispanic bar next door that has big crowds, but that is mostly on weekend nights. It is less than a half mile from Ann's Bakery and a few blocks away from Pizza Hut and Mazzio's. There is a good Mexican restaurant called Los Unicos west of the Diner and a better one called El Burrito a couple of blocks east. There is also a Middle Eastern cafe next to Ann's.
My favorite diner in Tulsa was on Admiral just west of Harvard called Eastside Cafe. They had awesome onion rings. It closed more than a decade ago.
The neighborhood is quite different than being in the Blue Dome district. Maybe with Brian's entrance into the neighborhood will be a nice shot with a bunch of new customers and some old customers like me.
It will still be a nice ride in for breakfast for the Mrs. and I.
I would have never suspected you were such an expert on diners and restaurants ;)
Quote from: Conan71 on July 19, 2012, 01:48:38 PM
It will still be a nice ride in for breakfast for the Mrs. and I.
I would have never suspected you were such an expert on diners and restaurants ;)
Come on. One look and you'd know.
Half the diners in town call my name when I enter. I am a local version of Norm at "Cheers".
Quote from: RecycleMichael on July 19, 2012, 03:11:01 PM
Half the diners in town call my name when I enter. I am a local version of Norm at "Cheers".
Feeding or feeding your ego?...hard to tell here. Not hard to tell, generally speaking. :D
I adore the BDD. I've never had anything but good food there. I always prefered it to Tally's. As I mentioned my wife (or whatever she is now) and I had our reception there. Our wedding cake was a stack of their pancakes. Wait, never mind! Burn it down and salt the very earth on which it stands! ;D
I wonder who Sager will boot next? Dwelling spaces?
P.S.: Dirty bathrooms? Goodness there are some dainty flowers on this forum. I must be the only dirty hipster on here.
Quote from: jacobi on July 23, 2012, 07:46:07 PM
Our wedding cake was a stack of their pancakes.
You should always invite the TN forum to partake in any wedding/barmitzah/birthday/divorce/bachelor party pancakecakes.
Quote from: jacobi on July 23, 2012, 07:46:07 PM
P.S.: Dirty bathrooms? Goodness there are some dainty flowers on this forum. I must be the only dirty hipster on here.
In an eating establishment, I prefer to be cleaner after leaving the bathroom than when I entered. ;)
Quote from: jacobi on July 23, 2012, 07:46:07 PM
I adore the BDD. I've never had anything but good food there. I always prefered it to Tally's. As I mentioned my wife (or whatever she is now) and I had our reception there. Our wedding cake was a stack of their pancakes. Wait, never mind! Burn it down and salt the very earth on which it stands! ;D
I wonder who Sager will boot next? Dwelling spaces?
P.S.: Dirty bathrooms? Goodness there are some dainty flowers on this forum. I must be the only dirty hipster on here.
I thought all hipsters were dirty. ;)
Quote from: ZYX on July 24, 2012, 12:11:03 AM
I thought all hipsters were dirty. ;)
Smelly and dirty are not Interdependent.
With this thread in mind, I paid more attention to the restroom on my latest visit. I still don't see a lack of cleanliness. I see a fairly worn restroom, but not a dirty restroom.
QuoteWith this thread in mind, I paid more attention to the restroom on my latest visit. I still don't see a lack of cleanliness. I see a fairly worn restroom, but not a dirty restroom.
Thank you. I didn't really see what people meant either.
The last time I went (about 6-7 mos ago), it looked like what I'd expect to see at closing time in a bar; I haven't been back recently. Who knows, perhaps it was an off-day and all complaining posters just happened to go at the exact same time?
Did you visit the men's room or the ladies' room? Hmmm?
I actually see this as a good thing. Not in the sense that the area is losing a diner, but that the rent prices are going up due to demand. That means we are getting closer to a well-developed downtown.
Quote from: davideinstein on July 29, 2012, 09:05:47 PM
I actually see this as a good thing. Not in the sense that the area is losing a diner, but that the rent prices are going up due to demand. That means we are getting closer to a well-developed downtown.
How expensive do you think downtown can get before it outruns demand? A $10 Bud Light? I hope that is an exaggeration.
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 29, 2012, 09:13:00 PM
How expensive do you think downtown can get before it outruns demand? A $10 Bud Light? I hope that is an exaggeration.
If downtown keeps growing, then the volume of consumers will lower the prices or keep them from getting out of control. Also, there will be more real estate available so rent prices shouldn't go through the roof.
Quote from: davideinstein on July 29, 2012, 09:59:21 PM
If downtown keeps growing, then the volume of consumers will lower the prices or keep them from getting out of control.
That is the usual plan but...
QuoteAlso, there will be more real estate available so rent prices shouldn't go through the roof.
Right now there would appear to be space available but eventually there will be no more real estate.
A bit off topic but that principle has demonstrated itself regarding the cost of private hangar space at Jones/Riverside Airport.
Saeger doesn't get more rent. He gets a stable tenant with credit....maybe.
There was a feud between Prew and The Penguin that has been brewing for years.
Prew was on the news talking about all the hassles in downtown and singled out parking as a problem. The numbers will not add up and there will be lots of churning for more years to come.
Downtown is a long way from bustling.
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 29, 2012, 10:08:47 PM
That is the usual plan but...
Right now there would appear to be space available but eventually there will be no more real estate.
A bit off topic but that principle has demonstrated itself regarding the cost of private hangar space at Jones/Riverside Airport.
If the space runs out then that would mean the income level of everyone (or at least the people in the area) has gone up. My point is...you won't be getting priced out of downtown as a consumer.
Any word on who the replacement is for the BDD?
Anyone willing to make a reputed $800K lease-hold improvement for the likes of Sager couldn't possibly be local, otherwise they'd realize what a doosh they are getting in bed with.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 30, 2012, 11:07:57 AM
Any word on who the replacement is for the BDD?
Anyone willing to make a reputed $800K lease-hold improvement for the likes of Sager couldn't possibly be local, otherwise they'd realize what a doosh they are getting in bed with.
I do know that old tenant intends on moving to a location on Admiral in between Yale and Harvard with a different name. I'll be able to go there before or after a visit to the range now.
;D
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Louie's will be the replacement tenant here....owned by Stoops and Hal Smith a sports bar would hurt Dilly Deli and Fassler. Just a wild a$$ guess.....like all my guess', educated.
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 07, 2012, 01:16:20 PM
a sports bar would hurt Dilly Deli and Fassler.
No, it wouldn't.
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 07, 2012, 01:16:20 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Louie's will be the replacement tenant here....owned by Stoops and Hal Smith a sports bar would hurt Dilly Deli and Fassler. Just a wild a$$ guess.....like all my guess', educated.
Certainly not an unrealistic prospect for Smith to want to get in on downtown.
I talked to someone last week who is involved in negotiations. Apparently, there's multiple parties interested in the space, and Prewitt hadn't paid rent in awhile. Funny, Sager's had that problem too.
Lots of area operators have been seen viewing the space with the Penguin.
Some talk of splitting the space up further and putting a door in the alley. That would give you the ability to have three tenants assuming you could get the restrooms (amount not condition) to code.
The diner space is awfully small and the way the bathrooms are currently set up its hard to get the back room rented to anything else.
HSG is in expansion mode. Look for a Louie's at 71st & Yale.
Maybe a sports bar would hurt Fassler Hall, but Dilly Deli closes at 8pm. They're basically a healthy breakfast/lunch place, and not a place to watch TV. A sports bar would be the complete opposite, in terms of cuisine and hours.
I'm continually surprised that the sports bar is still a sustainable business model. If I want to watch what's popular (OU, OSU, Thunder) that's better done at home. If you want to watch sports that aren't of interest to most patrons from the satellite, you'll be straining at a TV across the room and up in the corner. Even the worst internet stream tops that.
If it is indeed a sports bar, I hope it's at least breaking new ground, like TVs at every table.
Sports Bar...boring.
Pool and Shuffleboard are already available next door at Woody's and across the street at Arnie's.
What I think would work well and have a popular following is a greasy spoon type diner...oh wait.
Quote from: carltonplace on August 07, 2012, 02:35:14 PM
Sports Bar...boring.
Pool and Shuffleboard are already available next door at Woody's and across the street at Arnie's.
What I think would work well and have a popular following is a greasy spoon type diner...oh wait.
Perhaps if said diner were open late at night on weekends....
Maybe if the Savoy would put in a place back downtown....?
Quote from: rdj on August 07, 2012, 01:28:47 PM
Lots of area operators have been seen viewing the space with the Penguin.
Some talk of splitting the space up further and putting a door in the alley. That would give you the ability to have three tenants assuming you could get the restrooms (amount not condition) to code.
The diner space is awfully small and the way the bathrooms are currently set up its hard to get the back room rented to anything else.
HSG is in expansion mode. Look for a Louie's at 71st & Yale.
Diamond Jacks w/b a good location for a Louies....
And the Penguin would be hard pressed to subdivide the BDD .... it's a spaghetti bowl of utilities....
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 07, 2012, 04:38:42 PM
Diamond Jacks w/b a good location for a Louies....
And the Penguin would be hard pressed to subdivide the BDD .... it's a spaghetti bowl of utilities....
Didn't Larry Zankel die awhile back or did I imagine that? A friend of mine was fond of calling that place "the salt mine"
Quote from: Conan71 on August 07, 2012, 04:55:41 PM
Didn't Larry Zankel die awhile back or did I imagine that? A friend of mine was fond of calling that place "the salt mine"
Yes, cancer sux.
When the building was built at 71st it was Pearl's a Hal Smith enterprise. I bet he still owns the building. It will be a big success there. He also owns Charleston's and Mahogany's next door....
Tulsa eateries are mostly salt mines and lard .... but hey, they cater to the demands of fat and stupid. And you whine about second hand smoke. :-*
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 07, 2012, 05:09:46 PM
Yes, cancer sux.
When the building was built at 71st it was Pearl's a Hal Smith enterprise. I bet he still owns the building. It will be a big success there. He also owns Charleston's and Mahogany's next door....
Tulsa eateries are mostly salt mines and lard .... but hey, they cater to the demands of fat and stupid. And you whine about second hand smoke. :-*
I can control what I eat. Walking through clouds of smoke, not so much.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 07, 2012, 06:28:29 PM
I can control what I eat. Walking through clouds of smoke, not so much.
I agree. I don't like salty beer so I'm probably OK in that regard.
(Actually, home food around here has been "no salt added" for so long that "normal salty" makes me thirsty for hours.)
There isn't really a sports bar in downtown. I could get behind that, if it isn't too generic. Sometimes it's fun to go to a bar and watch the game with your buddies and complete strangers. A soccer themed pub would be lots of fun. It would go great with a new soccer stadium on the east end...
Fassler isn't a "sports bar" but it sure as hell turned into one during the Thunder's playoff run. Watching those games there might be some of my favorite sports moments and I've seen a lot of great sports in person.
Question, do the people behind the marketing of the Blue Dome have to change their line that the Blue Dome is all local owned if Louie's moves in to the 'hood?
I would patron a true sports bar downtown. There are plenty of places that have TV's that will serve you beer while you watch sports, but not a true sports bar as in having the ability to watch 4 or 5 different games at a time ala Buffalo Wild Wings. Yes, you can watch sports at your home, but the atmosphere is to watch with other people and enjoy a night out. I used to frequent Humperdinks when I lived in Dallas and it was a good sports bar atmosphere. They were also a brew pub though which I know has complications in Tulsa. That type of atmosphere would be nice though. There really isn't a place like that in midtown. The BWW at 41st and Sheridan is about as close as you can get. White Owl does not count because the crowd there really isn't sports oriented even though the place is marketed, in part, as a sports bar.
Quote from: DowntownDan on August 08, 2012, 01:01:18 PM
White Owl does not count because the crowd there really isn't sports oriented even though the place is marketed, in part, as a sports bar.
Apparently you and I have been there at different times.
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 07, 2012, 04:38:42 PM
Diamond Jacks w/b a good location for a Louies....
Diamond Jacks isn't a good location for anything other than medical offices or some such.
Quote from: Boksooner on August 07, 2012, 07:58:44 PM
There isn't really a sports bar in downtown. I could get behind that, if it isn't too generic. Sometimes it's fun to go to a bar and watch the game with your buddies and complete strangers. A soccer themed pub would be lots of fun. It would go great with a new soccer stadium on the east end...
Agree. Fassler's Thunder watch parties worked because there was only one sporting event that mattered, but it also showed there is demand for a downtown sports bar. Leon's in Brookside is probably mid-town's only real sports bar. White Owl has too few TVs/channels and bad viewing angles to be a really good sports bar.
I was recently in Wichita for business and stayed in the Old Town part of downtown. There was a sports bar, Heroes, that probably had at least 30 TVs and was showing 4 or 5 baseball games, several soccer matches, a golf tournament, and several other sporting events at the same time. That's the kind of sports bar we need in downtown.
Apparently today is Sager's birthday.
Send him your best.
Quote from: Boksooner on August 07, 2012, 07:58:44 PM
There isn't really a sports bar in downtown. I could get behind that, if it isn't too generic. Sometimes it's fun to go to a bar and watch the game with your buddies and complete strangers. A soccer themed pub would be lots of fun. It would go great with a new soccer stadium on the east end...
What are the various types of bars?
I can come up with:
- sports bar
- biker bar
- dive bar
- Irish bar
- English pub
- gay bar
Tiki
Wine
Cigar
College
Martini
Blues
Salsa
Topless
Piano
Brew Pub
Quote from: BKDotCom on August 09, 2012, 03:08:21 PM
What are the various types of bars?
I can come up with:
- sports bar
- biker bar
- dive bar
- Irish bar
- English pub
- gay bar
candy
pot
ice cream
exercise
bugger
Judging by the "for lease" sign and the fact that the diner space looks basically the same as it did when occupied, I have a bad feeling this place is gonna sit vacant for some time.
Anybody have any real info?
Quote from: TheTed on September 06, 2012, 12:55:38 PM
Judging by the "for lease" sign and the fact that the diner space looks basically the same as it did when occupied, I have a bad feeling this place is gonna sit vacant for some time.
Anybody have any real info?
I talked to someone who is pretty tight with Sager and they've got "several prospects" they are speaking with. I think the idea that a national tenant willing to do $800K in leasehold improvements was a pipe dream though. It was also explained to me that BDD was delinquent on rent.
Personally I trust nothing which comes out of the Sager camp these days.
What is the going rent for a restaurant in the Blue Dome district these days?
Is Sager asking for something higher? Unwilling to pay for improvements? Just difficult to work with? Or a combo of all three?
It seems like the way you treat people in life will eventually come back around to you. Sager has to deal with the way he treats others, good or bad, but I wish the development of our downtown didn't suffer in the near term for it.
Quote from: TulsaGuy on September 07, 2012, 07:52:05 AM
What is the going rent for a restaurant in the Blue Dome district these days?
Is Sager asking for something higher? Unwilling to pay for improvements? Just difficult to work with? Or a combo of all three?
It seems like the way you treat people in life will eventually come back around to you. Sager has to deal with the way he treats others, good or bad, but I wish the development of our downtown didn't suffer in the near term for it.
He wanted BDD to make improvements and will likely want the same out of a new tenant.
A diner in the hand is worth two bistros in the bush, they say.
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 07, 2012, 12:25:02 PM
He wanted BDD to make improvements and will likely want the same out of a new tenant.
A diner in the hand is worth two bistros in the bush, they say.
It says a lot when the TW's "go to guy" for all things downtown turns out to be the worst possible thing for downtown.
FB post by Blue Dome Diner:
Officially opening tomorrow morning! Let's do this!
Quote from: brunoflipper on July 16, 2012, 07:59:14 AM
Sager has got a new tenant...
Purportedly, they are willing to pay a shut ton more in rent and will be making $800,000 in tenant improvements to the property... $800K is a lot of cash for a build out in that existing structure. That sounds like a gut job with big backers. Makes me wonder if it's a chain.
Sager gave him 30 days notice, classy. Brian's a nice guy and the whole thing pisses me off but that's capitalism...
Just wish we'd go after Sager to get our cash back on the ghost lofts.
Walking by there the other day it doesn't look like anything at all has been done. It's just another empty space with crap piled inside.
Quote from: Weatherdemon on February 13, 2013, 10:37:17 AM
Walking by there the other day it doesn't look like anything at all has been done. It's just another empty space with crap piled inside.
Yea, that whole "I've got this great new tenant that wants to spend a donkeyload of money on my building" ended up being a Sager. The truth was that he wanted the Blue Dome Diner gone.
Quote from: carltonplace on February 13, 2013, 10:57:47 AM
Yea, that whole "I've got this great new tenant that wants to spend a donkeyload of money on my building" ended up being a Sager. The truth was that he wanted the Blue Dome Diner gone.
I hope I never pull a "Sager".
Quote from: carltonplace on February 13, 2013, 10:57:47 AM
Yea, that whole "I've got this great new tenant that wants to spend a donkeyload of money on my building" ended up being a Sager. The truth was that he wanted the Blue Dome Diner gone.
Inside info says BDD was very delinquent on rent. Why provide charity to a bad tenant when you might be missing out on a more financially able tenant?
Quote from: Conan71 on February 13, 2013, 01:16:50 PM
Inside info says BDD was very delinquent on rent. Why provide charity to a bad tenant when you might be missing out on a more financially able tenant?
Not surprised. A diner surrounded by bars that did not stay open later than the bars was a real missed opportunity.