So are they going to pull you over, search your car?
City officials plan to confiscate fireworks purchased inside the city limits at an apparently legal fireworks stand operated by a church on Indian-owned property, Mayor Dewey Bartlett said Wednesday.
City officials posted signs around the property Wednesday afternoon informing fireworks purchasers about a city ordinance dating to the 1930s that bans possession or use of fireworks within the city limits, Bartlett said.
"We prefer to try to work this out," he said. "What we really prefer is that the people who own the stand take their stand outside the city limits like everyone else."
The site, at 11010 S. Yale Ave., is a Creek Nation allotment and is leased in part to a smoke shop, a U.S. Department of the Interior court document indicates.
The allotment of approximately 5 acres is surrounded by the city of Tulsa, Bartlett said.
Although the city has no jurisdiction over the Creek Nation land to stop sales, it does have jurisdiction on all the land in every direction from the property.
The mayor said anyone who leaves the property with fireworks in their possession is subject to penalties including confiscation, fines and even jail time - although officials plan only to confiscate the fireworks.
Bartlett said the fireworks stand is the only one encompassed by the city and is the only target of this crackdown.
"This isn't just about fireworks," he said. "We feel that it's very important to us that we take a stand."
City Councilor Phil Lakin warned other councilors in January that the site could be used for a casino, which could begin an uproar in Tulsa similar to the one over a proposed casino in Broken Arrow.
The Broken Arrow site, just four miles from the Tulsa fireworks stand, has been engulfed in controversy since Kialegee Tribal Town officials broke ground for a casino there last year.
"If we don't (take a stand), then what's next?" Bartlett asked. "If the people that are using that land, if they feel they can get away with something like this, then they may put a casino there or a strip club.
"That's simply something that we can't allow in Tulsa."
After police officers and fire marshals arrived at the fireworks stand Wednesday, believing that it was being operated in affiliation with the tribe, they learned that it is being operated as a fundraiser for the Broken Arrow First Church of the Nazarene.
Mayoral Chief of Staff Jarred Brejcha said the city would continue with its original plans but would help the stand's operators relocate outside the Tulsa city limits if they choose to leave.
The church's board secretary, Cyndie Marshall, said the church has suspended sales at the site until the city and stand-owner TNT Fireworks work out an agreement.
The effort was to fund mission trips and the church's youth ministry, Marshall said.
The church initially had planned to open the stand on the Kialegee site in Broken Arrow but decided to avoid that controversy and accepted an offer from TNT to operate the stand on the site in Tulsa, Marshall said.
"The sad thing would be that people do have hours and hours invested in the heat but won't be able to sell fireworks," Marshall said.
Looks like this little plot of land is on someone's radar. I bet the neighbors would be pleased to rid themselves of the smoke shop too.
Nothing like selling a product to celebrate "Freedom"
I hope people are aware of how dry/parched everything is this Independance day and act with discretion.
Quote from: carltonplace on June 28, 2012, 01:20:24 PM
I hope people are aware of how dry/parched everything is this Independance day and act with discretion.
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These two dudes and I don't believe you posted that with any seriousness.
I love the smell of government interference in the free market. :P
Quote from: Townsend on June 28, 2012, 01:28:46 PM
These two dudes and I don't believe you posted that with any seriousness.
Considering that I live by the river and absolute strangers light fireworks in my front yard every 4th?
Nah, I'm still delusional that people are able to exercise discretion.
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Okay Styles, you realize you just paged Shadows, right?
Quote from: Conan71 on June 28, 2012, 02:51:30 PM
Okay Styles, you realize you just paged Shadows, right?
Unless there's a way he can work in something about 'the pink gas', he usually ignores it.
Quote from: Hoss on June 28, 2012, 02:56:16 PM
Unless there's a way he can work in something about 'the pink gas', he usually ignores it.
Thanks a pant-load, Hoss, now we are going to have to deal with his frontier gibberish.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 28, 2012, 03:36:05 PM
Thanks a pant-load, Hoss, now we are going to have to deal with his frontier gibberish.
Probably won't say anything without certain keywords.
Quote from: Hoss on June 28, 2012, 03:38:04 PM
Probably won't say anything without certain keywords.
Broken Arrow, Trash, Oligarchy
Quote from: Townsend on June 28, 2012, 03:39:52 PM
Broken Arrow, Trash, Oligarchy
Flood control, weird quasi biblical references, authentic frontier gibberish
I put out my shadows signal. It is like the bat signal, but is more common (especially late in the day).
Quote from: RecycleMichael on June 28, 2012, 03:55:11 PM
I put out my shadows signal. It is like the bat signal, but is more common (especially late in the day).
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Soooo, if I bought some fireworks in Bixby, say I happened to be working there and it was convenient, and then headed to Owasso to meet family to do fireworks, I would have to drive all the way around the city, otherwise it would be a crime to pass through the city with the fireworks? They gonna set up roadblocks and check points at all the entrance/exit routes? Do we all now have to buy our fireworks "the day of
" because we can't buy them ahead of time and take them home if we live in the city? Must be a Democrat thing cause a Conservative Republican would be heck bent against this type of government intrusion and regulation on free enterprise businesses and personal liberties.
Quote from: Townsend on June 28, 2012, 10:17:56 AM
Looks like this little plot of land is on someone's radar. I bet the neighbors would be pleased to rid themselves of the smoke shop too.
If we only knew someone that lives around there who can report on the situation...
So are they going to do the same at the intersection of N 49th W Ave & W Edison ST?
Quote from: godboko71 on June 29, 2012, 12:49:48 AM
So are they going to do the same at the intersection of N 49th W Ave & W Edison ST?
Why what's going on there? I haven't seen any equipment on the site.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 29, 2012, 08:07:13 AM
Why what's going on there? I haven't seen any equipment on the site.
It was benefitting a church group also Conan. I don't think they set up last year.
Artist, there is a difference between setting up on county land outside the city limits to sell fireworks that may or may not be used in the city. The county can regulate it or tax it. My guess is, its another thing when a different nation who resides within your city limits decides to sell a product that is regulated within those limits. As soon as you drive off of Indian nation property you are in possession of a product illegal for use without regulation within the city. It would be analagous to buying untaxed liqour. You may intend to drink it in Spain but purchase and possession in Oklahoma would probably be illegal. Everyone must pay a cut to the local guys doncha' know.
I wonder what would keep a sovereign nation within our borders from selling cocaine to its customers?
Quote from: AquaMan on June 29, 2012, 09:05:52 AM
It was benefitting a church group also Conan. I don't think they set up last year.
Artist, there is a difference between setting up on county land outside the city limits to sell fireworks that may or may not be used in the city. The county can regulate it or tax it. My guess is, its another thing when a different nation who resides within your city limits decides to sell a product that is regulated within those limits. As soon as you drive off of Indian nation property you are in possession of a product illegal for use without regulation within the city. It would be analagous to buying untaxed liqour. You may intend to drink it in Spain but purchase and possession in Oklahoma would probably be illegal. Everyone must pay a cut to the local guys doncha' know.
I wonder what would keep a sovereign nation within our borders from selling cocaine to its customers?
It's against federal law?
So was gambling and liquour sales at one time. Don't they use peyote in religious ceremonies in some tribes?
Quote from: guido911 on June 29, 2012, 12:20:39 AM
If we only knew someone that lives around there who can report on the situation...
Not much to report actually. There was another news crew set up at the intersection last night...again, with not much to report.
The tent was buttoned up this AM but I imagine there wouldn't be much fireworks business that time of day anyway.
I don't care that the tent is there temporarily. I care that they sell fireworks to dumbasses and these dumbasses do harm to others or their property.
As far as the use of the property, I'm fine with it staying wooded.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 29, 2012, 08:07:13 AM
Why what's going on there? I haven't seen any equipment on the site.
A Fireworks stand, supposedly affiliated with The Castle in Muskogee. I don't care that its there though it is clearly in the city limits so I was just wondering if they care poor people can buy too within the city limits.
I never realized that so many posters restricted themselves in their child hood from celebrating Independence Day by setting off immature explosions in order to make a nation realize of the many pleasures we once enjoyed.
The law of the land of 1833 confirmed that the native was to be free of the victor's brutal assault on his way of life. As those of the bureaucracy, that seek to control, have been warned by status keepers that the time is short before the will become the minority.
Some cities have ordinances that for a price one can contribute to the good old bureaucracy and set off his legal fire works in his front yard.
You must understand that the mayor see's a type of fireworks each day.
The bottom line is to reinstall antigambling legislation and that will save the taxpayer's rights, legal expenses and place the American native's back as 4th class citizens where everyone believes they belong.
Classic stuff Shadowmeister. Keep it coming, dude.
Wait a minute. Indians was"ARE" mistreated?
Quote from: DolfanBob on July 02, 2012, 08:14:04 AM
Wait a minute. Indians was"ARE" mistreated?
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It is only in the eyes of the story teller that the tall tail is repeated over and over and over of how the Europeans discovered the America’s which contained three empires that’s cultures and societies equaled those of Europe. In addition there were the roving tribes that considered they to be children of nature not affixed to the land.
It was the church that prolonged its offspring’s into the centuries of confusion in the east and mid-east created by the hundreds of years of war to plunder.
So be it now those who benefited from this invasion of plunder of the west world, stand in the way of the west’s inhalants as conquers to prohibit them from the usage of the lands stolen from them. The change of policy by ownership forced upon them in 1833, has been revoked as the most stringent controls on his promised lands are being applied. And now the American native is prohibited from use of his land to exercise his right to barter with the conquer for the use of celebrating the conquers victory.
I myself have never been conquered by inhalents but I can sympathize.
Quote from: carltonplace on July 03, 2012, 01:44:00 PM
I myself have never been conquered by inhalents but I can sympathize.
Take it you are one who has never been in city hall and subject to the pink gas.
Quote from: shadows on July 03, 2012, 06:16:59 PM
Take it you are one who has never been in city hall and subject to the pink gas.
shadows made a joke! Nicely done nebulous one!
Quote from: DolfanBob on July 02, 2012, 08:14:04 AM
Wait a minute. Indians was"ARE" mistreated?
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In the event you missed the abuse administered to Indian there is an article in Mondays TW Local section on the allotment and the promise guaranteed by the Federal Government. The governing bodies would be massing troops and issuing more phony greenbacks if this was happening in any country on the planet. The word of “Broken Arrow” describes the meaning of the chief saying “where the sun stands now in the heavens we fight no more.”
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