Anybody want to buy one of the coolest art deco gems downtown? Got a cool $1.4 million?
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=32&articleid=20120530_32_E1_CUTLIN700035 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=32&articleid=20120530_32_E1_CUTLIN700035)
From the article:
"Kanbar Properties, the firm created to manage Kanbar's extensive downtown portfolio, is soliciting sealed bids for the three-story, 43,000-square-foot building at 423 S. Boulder Ave., according to a letter sent to potential investors.
The bids have a minimum of $1.4 million and are due at the offices of Jones Gotcher & Bognan at First Place Tower, 15 E. Fifth St., by July 10."
Quote from: PonderInc on May 30, 2012, 06:18:40 PM
Anybody want to buy one of the coolest art deco gems downtown? Got a cool $1.4 million?
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=32&articleid=20120530_32_E1_CUTLIN700035 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=32&articleid=20120530_32_E1_CUTLIN700035)
From the article:
"Kanbar Properties, the firm created to manage Kanbar's extensive downtown portfolio, is soliciting sealed bids for the three-story, 43,000-square-foot building at 423 S. Boulder Ave., according to a letter sent to potential investors.
The bids have a minimum of $1.4 million and are due at the offices of Jones Gotcher & Bognan at First Place Tower, 15 E. Fifth St., by July 10."
$32.56 per square foot. Is that reasonable? I don't know, that's not what I do. It doesn't really matter to me though, I have no way to pay the interest on $1.4 for even a little bit.
Can't be! Kanbar intends to really invest in the long term goals of downtown tulsa. He isn't going to tear down or shutter buildings that are unprofitable in the short term, he won't add more surface parking, and isn't interested in just buying properties to flip.
Oh, wait...
What a lovely place for an Art Deco museum. Paging the foundation. Foundation please....
Quote from: AquaMan on May 30, 2012, 08:35:17 PM
What a lovely place for an Art Deco museum. Paging the foundation. Foundation please....
What foundation? You know something I don't lol?
"The" foundation. Starts with K and rhymes with Phizer.
Who is the primary tenant in this building, or is it mostly empty? Does seem a little steep considering it's not particularly large. But I think they are asking for pretty much what they paid for it.
http://www.tulsapreservationcommission.org/artdeco/buildings/index.pl?id=20
Would have been awesome if they had completed the building as planned.
Quote from: erfalf on May 31, 2012, 10:59:20 AM
Who is the primary tenant in this building, or is it mostly empty? Does seem a little steep considering it's not particularly large. But I think they are asking for pretty much what they paid for it.
http://www.tulsapreservationcommission.org/artdeco/buildings/index.pl?id=20
Would have been awesome if they had completed the building as planned.
Another article said it was 60% leased.
Quote from: erfalf on May 31, 2012, 10:59:20 AM
Who is the primary tenant in this building, or is it mostly empty? Does seem a little steep considering it's not particularly large. But I think they are asking for pretty much what they paid for it.
http://www.tulsapreservationcommission.org/artdeco/buildings/index.pl?id=20
Would have been awesome if they had completed the building as planned.
First floor is an office supply store. Agree that it would have been cool if all of the floors had been added, but this is a very striking building none the less.
Quote from: carltonplace on May 31, 2012, 12:36:47 PM
First floor is an office supply store. Agree that it would have been cool if all of the floors had been added, but this is a very striking building none the less.
And Blue House Media and Quiznos also on the first floor. Not sure who's upstairs, but it's a great location and a beautiful building. (Just wish someone would restore the missing awnings.)
Quote from: PonderInc on May 31, 2012, 02:04:36 PM
And Blue House Media and Quiznos also on the first floor. Not sure who's upstairs, but it's a great location and a beautiful building. (Just wish someone would restore the missing awnings.)
Blue House Media is the hole in the wall where Urban Tulsa started as a monthly roughly 20 or so years back and Roy Oliver Jewelry was in the Quizno's space. I think at the time, the IRS was leasing some space, otherwise the building was dark, like much of downtown.
Mrs. C and I walked around that area last Saturday morning and during Mayfest. I remember working downtown 20 years ago, it seemed like an anachronism or an inside joke at best. It's amazing how much more vibrant the CBD is in just 20 years.
It would be really cool if someone could get the original plans and turn it into what it was originally supposed to be.
Quote from: DowntownDan on June 01, 2012, 10:05:00 AM
It would be really cool if someone could get the original plans and turn it into what it was originally supposed to be.
That's my dream!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZRrqKbqqvtg/S85kr6zWzQI/AAAAAAAAFJI/Uf8sztg5fck/s640/Untitled-1.jpg)
Anybody have any idea what % cost increase the art-deco exterior would add to an exterior constructed like the oneplace tower?
Quote from: dsjeffries on June 01, 2012, 03:01:13 PM
That's my dream!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZRrqKbqqvtg/S85kr6zWzQI/AAAAAAAAFJI/Uf8sztg5fck/s640/Untitled-1.jpg)
Any idea if the support system is in place for such a height? I know the current Community Care college on Sheridan is that way. Half finished but the support structure is there.
Quote from: sgrizzle on June 02, 2012, 09:48:16 AM
Any idea if the support system is in place for such a height? I know the current Community Care college on Sheridan is that way. Half finished but the support structure is there.
There are large, short pillars that extend up through the roof. They look like they would be strong enough to support the additional weight since the building was designed for it. The economics of adding to the building is another matter.
While we're on that subject, and in the interest of promoting thread drift, I remember when the OneOK building was announced it had 60 stories, then was cut back to the present thirty back when Cities Service was building it. This would be sometime in late 1980 or early 1981, and I think the decision to downsize was made after construction began. Does anyone know if the building's structure would support the additional 30 stories per the original design?
Quote from: cynical on June 02, 2012, 06:47:49 PM
There are large, short pillars that extend up through the roof. They look like they would be strong enough to support the additional weight since the building was designed for it. The economics of adding to the building is another matter.
While we're on that subject, and in the interest of promoting thread drift, I remember when the OneOK building was announced it had 60 stories, then was cut back to the present thirty back when Cities Service was building it. This would be sometime in late 1980 or early 1981, and I think the decision to downsize was made after construction began. Does anyone know if the building's structure would support the additional 30 stories per the original design?
"Originally designed to be 52 stories, and then reduced to 37, the plans were modified to the present height of 17 floors after the building was sold during construction"
"ONEOK bought the Cities Service Company (later renamed Citgo) in August, 1982" The "OneOK building" is actually the Cities Service Company building... under construction when OneOK bought them...
I do know that enough granite was ordered to complete the 37-floor version of the building.
Here's some OneOK granite on S Lewis
http://goo.gl/maps/jsab (http://goo.gl/maps/jsab)
The things you learn on this forum. Astounding.
How many buildings in Tulsa were capped or scrapped due to economic downturns?
I know only of the two listed here but it seems there were several to built by City Services or something that were scrapped.
Quote from: Weatherdemon on June 04, 2012, 08:25:30 AM
How many buildings in Tulsa were capped or scrapped due to economic downturns?
I know only of the two listed here but it seems there were several to built by City Services or something that were scrapped.
I'm not 100% sure where I read the article, perhaps the TW, but there were 8 over 40 story buildings cancelled in the early 80's in Tulsa. That included one on 15th and Denver.
There was one 80 story building that was cancelled due to the 80s oil bust too. In one rendering it showed the Cities Service building towering over the BOK tower, and then the 80 story building being far taller than even the Cities Service building.
Quote from: Townsend on June 04, 2012, 09:02:57 AM
I'm not 100% sure where I read the article, perhaps the TW, but there were 8 over 40 story buildings cancelled in the early 80's in Tulsa. That included one on 15th and Denver.
15th & Denver? That would have been out of place.
On the flip side, I believe the BOK/Williams Tower was originally planned to be several smaller buildings and was then scrapped for a single taller building. I'm guessing things like that happen pretty rarely.
Thanks for the replies.
Some of that sounds familiar now, including the Williams stuff. Now that it was mentioned, I recall reading that in an article about the Williams towers, parking garages, PAC assistance, and hotel.
Quote from: Weatherdemon on June 04, 2012, 08:25:30 AM
How many buildings in Tulsa were capped or scrapped due to economic downturns?
I know only of the two listed here but it seems there were several to built by City Services or something that were scrapped.
Community Care College (Built by Telex as the "Sheridan Road Building") was capped at 3 but designed to be a pair of 6 story buildings. Last time I was in the elevators had buttons for 6 floors. The legend goes the second building was scrapped because of zoning issues over parking/floodwater and the city gave the go-ahead to same and no-go to Telex.
Of note, there is a waterfall behind the Sheridan road building that is used to cool water for the building's A/C
The flip side of the coin is the Mid Continent tower, which was built onto the the existing building sometime in the mid 1980's. That project earned national awards for the creative structural engineering that was required, since the original building was NOT designed to have a tower.
Quote from: PonderInc on June 04, 2012, 01:51:28 PM
The flip side of the coin is the Mid Continent tower, which was built onto the the existing building sometime in the mid 1980's. That project earned national awards for the creative structural engineering that was required, since the original building was NOT designed to have a tower.
The two (original & addition) actually are two separate building designed to appear as one. The tower was actually built next to and hangs over the original building.