Well at least they know how to manage entertainment destinations.
Any word on what they paid for it?
QuoteAny word on what they paid for it?
11.5 M
They will probably do a much better job than the previous owners. What a massive failure. And to think, people honestly thought that Jenks would be the new development hotbed over downtown. Can you imagine how horrible it would be if the Drillers had moved there? It would have been a 30 year mistake.
QuoteThey will probably do a much better job than the previous owners. What a massive failure. And to think, people honestly thought that Jenks would be the new development hotbed over downtown. Can you imagine how horrible it would be if the Drillers had moved there? It would have been a 30 year mistake.
Here, here!
Quote from: jacobi on April 17, 2012, 10:58:46 AM
Here, here!
Semi-on topic, I attended my first Driller game on Friday after the move downtown. What a beautiful ballpark for the level of baseball. And the Rockies have some great prospects on the roster right now. Arenado (current 3B) may not last to Memorial Day without getting called up to The Show.
Quote from: Hoss on April 17, 2012, 11:00:38 AM
Semi-on topic, I attended my first Driller game on Friday after the move downtown. What a beautiful ballpark for the level of baseball. And the Rockies have some great prospects on the roster right now. Arenado (current 3B) may not last to Memorial Day without getting called up to The Show.
Can you go to a sporting event without being nerdy about it?
Arenado is a stud. He lead the minors last year with 122 RBI.
I am passing ouit free trees tonight at the ballgame. Come find me by the Brady entrance.
Two dollar tickets.
Cant wait for the casino and searchlights to go in.
Quote from: patric on April 17, 2012, 11:11:40 AM
Cant wait for the casino and searchlights to go in.
The Creeks were looking at creating a retail compliment to the casino, looks like they got one ready made. Would be interested to see if the consider connecting the two by some sort of transportation. Someone alert Jim Inhoffe and Waterboy.
Quote from: Hoss on April 17, 2012, 11:00:38 AM
Semi-on topic, I attended my first Driller game on Friday after the move downtown. What a beautiful ballpark for the level of baseball. And the Rockies have some great prospects on the roster right now. Arenado (current 3B) may not last to Memorial Day without getting called up to The Show.
Do you like your new DT space Hoss? Come by and have an adult Bev on the porch sometime!
Quote from: carltonplace on April 17, 2012, 11:22:13 AM
Do you like your new DT space Hoss? Come by and have an adult Bev on the porch sometime!
The game we went to was last Friday..we waited the nearly 2 hour rain delay.
Right before the storms broke we saw this:
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But I love this view:
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And got to eat at Fat Guy's pre-game. All in all, a good Friday. Plus we killed the Missions that game.
This represents a 2% cap rate. What in the world do these gangsters plan to do with the property? They are just playing monopoly.
Most these posts are correct.... maybe an amusement park? Indian Nation's Amusement Park returns!
Those players must absolutely love whacking that ball at those buildings. Very cool view.
Quote from: sgrizzle on April 17, 2012, 11:17:43 AM
The Creeks were looking at creating a retail compliment to the casino, looks like they got one ready made. Would be interested to see if the consider connecting the two by some sort of transportation. Someone alert Jim Inhoffe and Waterboy.
They need to get that Jenks dam built so I can float a water ferry between the two points. Vision 2025....get on that!
BTW, not exactly ecstatic to see mine and the good senator's names next to each other. He probaby feels the same way....
I'm assuming they've not really released plans for the River Spirit Walk yet.
Think it'll be smoking and have bad country music performances every weekend?
Quote from: AquaMan on April 17, 2012, 01:30:39 PM
They need to get that Jenks dam built so I can float a water ferry between the two points. Vision 2025....get on that!
BTW, not exactly ecstatic to see mine and the good senator's names next to each other. He probaby feels the same way....
I see him yelling your name while waving his fist in the air.
Back on topic, wouldn't it be crazy if River Walk Crossing had a crossing? It has a walk and a river.
Quote from: sgrizzle on April 17, 2012, 01:49:53 PM
Back on topic, wouldn't it be crazy if River Walk Crossing had a crossing? It has a walk and a river.
Is there one leading out to the parking lot?
I don't care what they do with Riverwalk as long as they keep their word and re-route the pedestrian trail behind their casino on the east bank. I'm tired of playing Frogger in their crosswalks.
Quote from: Townsend on April 17, 2012, 01:54:55 PM
Is there one leading out to the parking lot?
No, that's a vestibule
Quote from: DowntownDan on April 17, 2012, 10:58:08 AM
And to think, people honestly thought that Jenks would be the new development hotbed over downtown. Can you imagine how horrible it would be if the Drillers had moved there? It would have been a 30 year mistake.
The sad thing is that it didn't seem at all out of the question at the time that what little (apparent) momentum there seemed to be in DT would be overshadowed by Jenks. It seems the Tulsans were just more quiet than the Jenksers.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 17, 2012, 02:13:13 PM
I don't care what they do with Riverwalk as long as they keep their word and re-route the pedestrian trail behind their casino on the east bank. I'm tired of playing Frogger in their crosswalks.
There's your crossing.
I have my doubts their word will be kept.
Quote from: Townsend on April 17, 2012, 02:29:43 PM
There's your crossing.
I have my doubts their word will be kept.
Indian givers?
Any idea how long it will take for the Creek Nation to receive sovereignty on this piece of land?
And where would these tax dollars normally go? Tulsa City and County or just county? Article stated about $200,000 (most likely more when they start adding tenants)
City Sales Tax region is Jenks America
Smoke shop?
What other changes come from this?
Tiger said last nite on 6 that there would be no smoke shop or casino activities. They intend to use a third party to manage the center and fill it with tenants. That is a good plan. Good for pr, good for their nearby casino and good for the city of Jenks. Vreeland thinks the city can make some sort of arrangement to bring in tax dollars. Any taxes are better than none. Certainly its better to be operating with a strong base of support (tribal) than working off of promises, promises...
They already have a smoke shop there, it's called The Cigar Box ;)
Now that the Creeks own the land, does it become sovereign and exempt from sales tax collection or property tax? That's a fair amount of revenue Jenks counts on.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 18, 2012, 10:19:31 AM
They already have a smoke shop there, it's called The Cigar Box ;)
Now that the Creeks own the land, does it become sovereign and exempt from sales tax collection or property tax? That's a fair amount of revenue Jenks counts on.
Only if the business is owned by a tribal member or the tribe is the way I understand it.
If I were Vreeland, and thank the Lord I'm not, I would be prepared to offer a list of services that the city could offer the tribe in exchange for some % of sales, property tax or other benefit. The city can be their best friend and defender or stand by and watch as zoning laws, traffic flows, enforcement issues muddy up their operation. Yes, they need to prostitute themselves to the tribe.
Quote from: AquaMan on April 18, 2012, 11:10:19 AM
If I were Vreeland, and thank the Lord I'm not, I would be prepared to offer a list of services that the city could offer the tribe in exchange for some % of sales, property tax or other benefit. The city can be their best friend and defender or stand by and watch as zoning laws, traffic flows, enforcement issues muddy up their operation. Yes, they need to prostitute themselves to the tribe.
Once soverignty kicks in, they won't owe any property tax.
Hopefully the tribe will steer clear of Steve Kitchell.
Quote from: Hoss on April 18, 2012, 11:13:12 AM
Once soverignty kicks in, they won't owe any property tax.
No, but they may elect to voluntarily remit taxation in one form or another. It may be a quid pro quo that helps the city pay its bills without going through the state. The reality is they sit surrounded by a city that has to power to enable their business or constrain it. Remember, these parties (city, county, tribe) were able to put this thing together in less than a week. They know how to work together.
Quote from: AquaMan on April 18, 2012, 11:28:06 AM
No, but they may elect to voluntarily remit taxation in one form or another. It may be a quid pro quo that helps the city pay its bills without going through the state. The reality is they sit surrounded by a city that has to power to enable their business or constrain it. Remember, these parties (city, county, tribe) were able to put this thing together in less than a week. They know how to work together.
Who put what together in less than a week? Are you saying there was collusion of some sorts for the tribe to get it at auction?
Quote from: rdj on April 18, 2012, 11:36:37 AM
Who put what together in less than a week? Are you saying there was collusion of some sorts for the tribe to get it at auction?
No. Unless you think a city trying to find a buyer for one of its premier, potential tax producing properties is collusion. I think it was good thinking. According to the news articles on the local stations, and an interview with Tiger, the Creeks didn't even know the property was in distress till some local officials approached them and told them the property was at the Sheriff's sale for back taxes. The Creeks were the only bidders on the property and came up with 11.2 million in cash within 4 days (not including a weekend). That sort of thing takes either insane risk taking or some good conversations and some supportive relationships. I am sure promises have been made. What is so surprising about that?
Quote from: AquaMan on April 18, 2012, 01:21:33 PM
No. Unless you think a city trying to find a buyer for one of its premier, potential tax producing properties is collusion. I think it was good thinking. According to the news articles on the local stations, and an interview with Tiger, the Creeks didn't even know the property was in distress till some local officials approached them and told them the property was at the Sheriff's sale for back taxes. The Creeks were the only bidders on the property and came up with 11.2 million in cash within 4 days (not including a weekend). That sort of thing takes either insane risk taking or some good conversations and some supportive relationships. I am sure promises have been made. What is so surprising about that?
That or the no-brainer nature of the deal, especially if it went for about $8 to $10mil under appraisal. Hell, I'd tear my pocket trying to get my wallet out too. ;)
Quote from: Conan71 on April 18, 2012, 01:53:45 PM
That or the no-brainer nature of the deal, especially if it went for about $8 to $10mil under appraisal. Hell, I'd tear my pocket trying to get my wallet out too. ;)
MCN may have picked up River Walk for way less than the appraised value, but time will tell as to whether they got a bargain. While poor management has likely hurt RW's performance, ownership does not change RW's systemic issues that have been discussed at length on this board.
Unquestionably, though, the out-of-state bank with the $27 million note got burned badly on this deal.
No reason the Creek Nation can't do something cool with it. Put a branch of the tribal museum in one of the larger buildings at the end. Build a hotel on the empty space in the middle and run the shuttles from the casino to there so the casino has dedicated hotel rooms. Open of some of the now empty smaller store fronts to Native Artists as an art market and fill the rest in with restaurants and clubs to compliment the casino and shopping center.
They will build a hotel on the site.
I expect a lawsuit to be filed if they seek to place the property in trust.
I'm not a regular at either place but seriously love the idea of the ferry between Riverwalk and the Casino.
Especially if you thrown in the hotel at Riverwalk.
I could see those being key components in making that more of a true destination place.
Quote from: Weatherdemon on April 19, 2012, 09:07:28 AM
I'm not a regular at either place but seriously love the idea of the ferry between Riverwalk and the Casino.
Especially if you thrown in the hotel at Riverwalk.
I could see those being key components in making that more of a true destination place.
It would be a great idea if they could just keep the "Dam" water up.
Quote from: rdj on April 19, 2012, 09:07:07 AM
They will build a hotel on the site.
I expect a lawsuit to be filed if they seek to place the property in trust.
The Chief said that they would place it in trust. The seem to have the city of Jenks' approval, but JPS may be another matter. I would like to see what Kirby has to say but really how could JPS block it?
Also, it was mentioned on KOTV that it may be converted into an Outlet Mall
Quote from: swake on April 19, 2012, 09:23:15 AM
The Chief said that they would place it in trust. The seem to have the city of Jenks' approval, but JPS may be another matter. I would like to see what Kirby has to say but really how could JPS block it?
Also, it was mentioned on KOTV that it may be converted into an Outlet Mall
I hope that doesn't cause any significant traffic headaches, considering most outlet malls are adjacent to busy interstates. It's not my ideal development, but if it comes down to filling a place with chain outlet stores vs. a bunch of empty store-fronts, obviously you want to see occupied units.
I don't see how JPS can throw up a road block unless any TIF or property tax arrangements survive a foreclosure action. However, since it looks like the center is being "moved to another nation" JPS can basically pound salt.
If this ruling applies, then it looks like tribal members might not have to pay sales tax for purchases but they would have to collect taxes on non-tribal members:
QuoteUnder the doctrine of tribal sovereign immunity, a State that has not asserted jurisdiction over Indian lands under Public Law 280 may not tax sales of goods to tribesmen occurring on land held in trust for a federally recognized Indian tribe, but is free to collect taxes on such sales to nonmembers of the tribe. Pp. 509-514.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&invol=505&vol=498
Does anyone know if sales tax is collected at the Hard Rock, River Spirit, or Osage casinos for food, beverage, and gift shop items?
Quote from: swake on April 19, 2012, 09:23:15 AM
The Chief said that they would place it in trust. The seem to have the city of Jenks' approval, but JPS may be another matter. I would like to see what Kirby has to say but really how could JPS block it?
Also, it was mentioned on KOTV that it may be converted into an Outlet Mall
It will be a private citizen that files the lawsuit. IMO, a dangerous precedent will be set if tribes are able to create "sales tax free zones" within a municipality. This is particularly important in a state where our municipal governments rely on sales tax as their primary source of revenue. Additionally, with the potential of a graduated reduction of the state's personal income tax to zero the state will become even more reliant on their portion of the sales tax.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 19, 2012, 09:35:44 AM
I hope that doesn't cause any significant traffic headaches, considering most outlet malls are adjacent to busy interstates. It's not my ideal development, but if it comes down to filling a place with chain outlet stores vs. a bunch of empty store-fronts, obviously you want to see occupied units.
I don't see how JPS can throw up a road block unless any TIF or property tax arrangements survive a foreclosure action. However, since it looks like the center is being "moved to another nation" JPS can basically pound salt.
If this ruling applies, then it looks like tribal members might not have to pay sales tax for purchases but they would have to collect taxes on non-tribal members:
Does anyone know if sales tax is collected at the Hard Rock, River Spirit, or Osage casinos for food, beverage, and gift shop items?
from what I read, the only sales tax that would not be collected would be for a purchase made by a tribal member from a business owned by the tribe or a tribal member. The existing businesses will all continue to charge normal sales taxes.
I don't know that they don't always collect sales taxes anyway. The couple of times I've eaten dinner with my wife at the River Spirit Casino we paid all the regular sales taxes and she certainly is a tribal member.
I thought the MCN had plans to build a hotel next to the River Wind casino (where the old casino was located). My understanding was the plan was on hold due to the economic downturn and flat gaming revenues. Does not make sense to build a hotel at RW from which to service the casino - proximity is everything for a casino. Come on, water taxis could never be anything other than a touristy novelty?
As for placing the land in trust, once the tribe owns the land they simply have to apply to the Secretary of the Interior. Given RW's location in the historical Creek Nation territory, it would be very hard to stop it from happening. If it happens, then the MCN Lighthorse Patrol likely becomes the only law enforcment entity for the property and patrons at RW stores/restaurants/bars will be subjecting themselves to MCN jurisdiction. There's a reason its called "sovereignty."
Hmmm, maybe it would be fun to see Kitchell make a reappearance to see how they deal with scum like him.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 19, 2012, 02:00:07 PM
Hmmm, maybe it would be fun to see Kitchell make a reappearance to see how they deal with scum like him.
Sadly, the MCN courts make the Oklahoma courts look sophisticated.
Quote from: DTowner on April 19, 2012, 02:49:34 PM
Sadly, the MCN courts make the Oklahoma courts look sophisticated.
Court?? Who said anything about court? I was interested as to what the MCN police might do with him.
Wasn't that many years ago, you'd hear about unruly people at bingo halls in Osage County being dealt with by security guards then being
dumped er released just off the property and they'd call the Osage County Sheriff's Office: "I need to report someone who apparently was hit by a car just outside Double Eagle Bingo Hall. *Click*"
Will be interesting what happens here. Masterplan for Riverwalk Crossing is suppose to be revealed soon.
I'm hoping they build a huge outlet mall!!
Quote from: In_Tulsa on June 18, 2013, 10:32:41 AM
I'm hoping they build a huge outlet mall!!
Something like the one in Branson would be nice. That way I wouldn't have to go to Missouri twice a year for my wife's shopping fix.
Wish they would have retained a more nationally known real estate leasing/property company rather than Merit Properties. Looks like they have renamed themselves as Select Real Estate Services. No website and no national marketing. If I am interested in leasing at RiverWalk Crossing, I would want a website where I could see who the other tenants were, etc.
Just my 2 cents.
Quote from: Ibanez on June 18, 2013, 10:44:18 AM
Something like the one in Branson would be nice. That way I wouldn't have to go to Missouri twice a year for my wife's shopping fix.
Keep that stuff in Branson... or else instead of two trips a year, you will be making monthly trips and still spending the same amount :)
Quote from: JCnOwasso on June 18, 2013, 11:32:34 AM
Keep that stuff in Branson... or else instead of two trips a year, you will be making monthly trips and still spending the same amount :)
Or more....
News conference set for 11am:
QuoteMuscogee Creek Nation To Announce Plans For Jenks Riverwalk
JENKS, Oklahoma -
We'll soon know what exactly the Muscogee Creek Nation has planned for the land they bought almost three years ago for $11.5 million.
Wednesday the tribe will announce their plans for the Jenks Riverwalk Crossing.
In two recent Muscogee Creek Nation agendas, a law authorized funding for an entertainment facility to be built with an almost $12 million price tag. At the next meeting, the tribe adopted a resolution and agreement to start building that facility.
The more than 20 acres alongside the Arkansas River is prime real estate, and the infrastructure is already in place.
When Riverwalk Crossing opened in 2005 it took off, featuring restaurants, shopping and live music; but a lot has changed in ten years.
The initial developer couldn't handle the business through the recession and the property went into foreclosure in 2011.
Now, the foot traffic is minimal, many restaurants have come and gone – the exception being Los Cabos – and the live music has been silenced.
"It was a sea of people every weekend, just a party, a great environment. We still have that, unfortunately it's a smaller scale now," said Los Cabos General Manager, Connie Delauter.
It doesn't look like the Muscogee Creek Nation plans to keep it small scale, however.
"They're going to work in unison with what they're doing over at Margaritaville and I think that is positive," said Jenks City Planner, Robert Bell.
Bell kept tight lipped about details on the entertainment facility as well.
"I think the users that are going in there, with more of a national type tenant, would recognize that they need to stay open during the times concerts are going on," he said.
"It is a great venue and the Riverwalk is gorgeous. Muscogee Creek Nation has done a great job with landscaping and lighting so they are getting ready for something, let's just hope it's big," Delauter said.
More details will be revealed Wednesday at 11 a.m.; but with the redevelopment and Margaritaville going in just up the river, this could be another catalyst for making the riverfront a regional destination.
http://www.newson6.com/story/27843982/muscogee-creek-nation-to-announce-plans-for-jenks-riverwalk
Quote from: Conan71 on January 14, 2015, 09:39:21 AM
News conference set for 11am:
Equipment is standing by. . .
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I never understood why they call it a "Riverwalk" when it doesn't resemble anything I would consider a river 95% of the time. How about calling it the "Riverbed" walk?
Dave & Busters on steroids. I'm guessing Blake Smith isn't happy about this development:
QuoteJENKS - The Muscogee (Creek) Nation announced a $22 million entertainment complex that will be built at the Riverwalk Crossing in Jenks.
The facility will offer high-tech virtual golf, family-oriented games, restaurants, sport bar, party rooms and corporate space.
Principal Chief George Tiger said the tribe hoped to have the facility finished in 18 months. It will be built on the site of the shopping center's movie theater, which will be torn down.
"There will be nothing like it within a 250-mile radius of Tulsa," Tiger said.
Riverwalk Crossing originally opened in 2005, filled with shops and restaurants on the west bank of the Arkansas River in Jenks. One by one, storefronts darkened and the crowds thinned.
In early 2011, American National Bank of Texas sued to foreclose on the center, alleging investor David Salomon failed to repay three loans totaling more than $28.1 million.
By the time the Creek Nation bought the property at a foreclosure auction for $11.5 million in April 2012, only a handful of popular destinations, including Los Cabos, The Melting Pot and RiverWalk Movies, remained. The tribe has been focused on revitalizing the site.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/realestate/creeks-announce-million-entertainment-complex-at-jenks-riverwalk-crossing/article_0296b95c-3063-5f71-8756-b16043a72b9e.html
Quote from: Conan71 on January 14, 2015, 11:23:32 AM
Dave & Busters on steroids. I'm guessing Blake Smith isn't happy about this development:
Sky-bridge to the casino?
Quote from: Gaspar on January 14, 2015, 12:27:36 PM
Sky-bridge to the casino?
Zip-line from the top of the new tower and then Duck your way back across the sand and standing water.
Quote from: Gaspar on January 14, 2015, 12:27:36 PM
Sky-bridge to the casino?
Hovercraft at low tide, fanboats at high tide.
Quote from: rdj on January 14, 2015, 03:02:33 PM
Hovercraft at low tide, fanboats at high tide.
How about just a long wall with a painted mural of a river with water in it?
I haven't seen many details on this deal, but why would this hurt the movie theater? Unless they are kicking him out I'd think putting in another entertainment anchor would help his visibility?
Quote from: rdj on January 14, 2015, 04:22:15 PM
I haven't seen many details on this deal, but why would this hurt the movie theater? Unless they are kicking him out I'd think putting in another entertainment anchor would help his visibility?
Sounds like they are going to bulldoze the theater. Thinking that might hurt it. Would like to see him team up with Blake or some other downtown developer and put in a theater there. Bet it would do better in downtown than it did at the RiverWalk.
The updated article says that they are not going to bulldoze the theater, for now.
Quote from: TheArtist on January 14, 2015, 04:32:51 PM
Sounds like they are going to bulldoze the theater. Thinking that might hurt it. Would like to see him team up with Blake or some other downtown developer and put in a theater there. Bet it would do better in downtown than it did at the RiverWalk.
Let's hope we can attract Bill Warren to downtown. We went to the Warren in BA last weekend with the cannon_fodders and were really blown away by the experience.
That's a concept which would clean up very well in downtown.
+1 on Warren.
I'm usually not impressed with the "new cool thing," but the Warren Theater was amazing.
I'd prefer Alamo Drafthouse. They're franchising pretty heavily right now. If you've ever been to Alamo Drafthouse, it's a pretty cool atmosphere, perfect for downtown. It would fit in well with Ewing and Nelson's stuff.
Quote from: Conan71 on January 14, 2015, 05:22:32 PM
Let's hope we can attract Bill Warren to downtown. We went to the Warren in BA last weekend with the cannon_fodders and were really blown away by the experience.
That's a concept which would clean up very well in downtown.
Downtown areas are absolutely ruled out by their criteria for site selection - from their website.
We went to see the Hobbit. Enjoyed that part a lot! Also, made the mistake of eating upstairs! Just about anyone can assemble a reasonable sandwich, and they did that. The sides - pasta salad and chili - were gross and disgusting. King Dog Fail..!!
No idea what they were thinking with the pasta salad, but the chili was Ike's Chili bowl sawdust slop. Makes me shudder to think about it now, 4 days later!
Even without the associated Imax, it was a little nicer than Moore theater. Probably 'cause it's new, but Moore is still very nice! I think this one is bigger - maybe that's it...??
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 14, 2015, 07:30:53 PM
Downtown areas are absolutely ruled out by their criteria for site selection - from their website.
I guess they forgot that criteria for their Old Town location in Wichita.
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Quote from: DowntownDan on January 14, 2015, 06:41:06 PM
I'd prefer Alamo Drafthouse. They're franchising pretty heavily right now. If you've ever been to Alamo Drafthouse, it's a pretty cool atmosphere, perfect for downtown. It would fit in well with Ewing and Nelson's stuff.
Here's why I think Warren would be a good fit: The motif (at least that employed in the BA location) melds well with Tulsa's Art Deco history even if it is new construction and a bit contrived. Warren is Art Deco in a Hollywood sort of way.
Granted, I've never been to an Alamo Draft House to be able to compare the experiences.
Alamo Drafthouse is to Warren Theater as Dust Bowl is to Andy B's or whatever the bowling alley on S Lewis is called these days.
Quote from: Conan71 on January 14, 2015, 08:59:33 PM
I guess they forgot that criteria for their Old Town location in Wichita.
Not actually a Warren theater as is being discussed here, any more than their Palace Theaters or the Movie Machine brands, but ok, we can play that game....
Old Town was probably their inspiration for not doing downtown theaters anymore....
Developer info...
http://www.warrentheatres.com/developer.asp
As long as Creek Nation gets rid of that terrible Event Center. I'll be happy.
Quote from: DolfanBob on January 15, 2015, 12:09:23 PM
As long as Creek Nation gets rid of that terrible Event Center. I'll be happy.
They are building a concert venue at Margaritaville but sadly I wouldn't count on the events center building going away, there are offices in there too.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on January 15, 2015, 10:11:47 AM
Not actually a Warren theater as is being discussed here, any more than their Palace Theaters or the Movie Machine brands, but ok, we can play that game....
Old Town was probably their inspiration for not doing downtown theaters anymore....
Developer info...
http://www.warrentheatres.com/developer.asp
M'kay, it's a Warren without 25 acres of parking. What's the difference? Each theater is unique per Bill Warren.
I'd hope if they had a suitable parking structure available they would reconsider. Someone needs to appeal to his sensibilities that a vast sea of parking is really gauche'. Someone needs to show him the property east of Blake's establishments and offer an area tif for a parking garage.
Quote from: DowntownDan on January 14, 2015, 06:41:06 PM
I'd prefer Alamo Drafthouse. They're franchising pretty heavily right now. If you've ever been to Alamo Drafthouse, it's a pretty cool atmosphere, perfect for downtown. It would fit in well with Ewing and Nelson's stuff.
Alamo is better than Warren, more urban, and more reasonable prices.
Quote from: sgrizzle on January 15, 2015, 04:44:55 PM
Alamo is better than Warren, more urban, and more reasonable prices.
And better beer selection. The ones in Texas also have game nights throughout the week. The bar is a place to hang out, even if you're not watching a movie. Much cooler environment than a suburban monstrosity in the middle of a sea of asphalt.
Quote from: DowntownDan on January 16, 2015, 10:30:11 AM
And better beer selection. The ones in Texas also have game nights throughout the week. The bar is a place to hang out, even if you're not watching a movie. Much cooler environment than a suburban monstrosity in the middle of a sea of asphalt.
I hear the Warren has "Big Jamoke" on tap. Mmm Beer! Oh sorry.....Marshall's Beer ;D
They had a good enough selection for a night at the movies, beer selection never even entered my mind when we booked. MC had a Big Jamoke and I enjoyed a Coop F-5. If I'm concerned about depth of beer selection, I stay home and enjoy the selection in the fridge or on tap. They had an impressive cocktail menu but I abstained since I was driving.
Next time we are in a city with an Alamo, we will have to check it out to compare.