Had a nice trip to Dallas over the weekend, saw the sights ate the food, drove on the roads, saw a show....officially am ashamed of the roads here, highways here, zoning here, lack of investor interest in making Tulsa unique in its layout and the plan, or lack of one for development into something that is a destination....I can say the same for OKC in its try for something that resembles a destination with its try with brick town(and sort of fail at it)...
Quote from: zstyles on April 02, 2012, 11:53:48 AM
Had a nice trip to Dallas over the weekend, saw the sights ate the food, drove on the roads, saw a show....officially am ashamed of the roads here, highways here, zoning here, lack of investor interest in making Tulsa unique in its layout and the plan, or lack of one for development into something that is a destination....I can say the same for OKC in its try for something that resembles a destination with its try with brick town(and sort of fail at it)...
Would never live in that shitehole though. Lived in Houston for three years and liked it much better. Dallas, not so much.
But if you area ashamed of it here so much, why are you still here?
Quote from: Hoss on April 02, 2012, 11:59:02 AM
Would never live in that shitehole though. Lived in Houston for three years and liked it much better.
I still don't see what you see in Houston, but I also doubt I'll ever find myself living in Dallas willingly.
Quote from: nathanm on April 02, 2012, 12:09:27 PM
I still don't see what you see in Houston, but I also doubt I'll ever find myself living in Dallas willingly.
Nearly 20 years ago this was though. I've been back through Dallas since then. Still don't like it.
There are some parts of Dallas that are ok, I like the bungalows in Greenwood and some of the little redevelopment popping up. But overall Dallas bites; driving there is terrible and don't get me started about the airport.
Fort Worth is more my speed.
Reminds me of the humor Ft.Worth has about itself. They used to have a bumper sticker that said, "Foat Wuth..Ah Luv Yew!".
But it never made me laugh like the one I saw yesterday. "If you're going to ride my donkey...at least pull my hair".
I used to stay in Dallas' "West End" which was their revitalized downtown area. Mostly plywood over windows and a guy selling knockoff sunglasses last time I went.
Quote from: Hoss on April 02, 2012, 11:59:02 AM
Would never live in that shitehole though. Lived in Houston for three years and liked it much better. Dallas, not so much.
But if you area ashamed of it here so much, why are you still here?
I lived in the D/FW MetroPlex and we always thought of Houston as being the "Arm Pit Of Texas". I never lived in Dallas but lived in Arlington and Fort Worth Texas. It's all pretty much one huge city. I love the Trinity Jogging trail in Fort Worth, one of the best places to run. Fort Worth has some great restaurants, Billy Bobs Texas and musiums. Crime and gangs are a big problem though.
Quote from: nathanm on April 02, 2012, 12:09:27 PM
I still don't see what you see in Houston, but I also doubt I'll ever find myself living in Dallas willingly.
I agree and Houston has alot of toll roads, however Houston is only about 60 miles from the Gulf Of Mexico, and Galveston, Texas.. The Gulf Of Mexico is crystal clear. Texas has it all from sea surf to desert to the hill country to the great flat plains. I like Fort Worth better than Dallas and then you have all the mid-cities between the Dallas & Fort Worth.. Fire ants are a big problem in the MetroPlex.
Quote from: sauerkraut on April 02, 2012, 03:45:20 PM
I agree and Houston has alot of toll roads, however Houston is only about 60 miles from the Gulf Of Mexico, and Galveston, Texas.. The Gulf Of Mexico is crystal clear. Texas has it all from sea surf to desert to the hill country to the great flat plains. I like Fort Worth better than Dallas and then you have all the mid-cities between the Dallas & Fort Worth.. Fire ants are a big problem in the MetroPlex.
And Dallas doesn't have tollways? Houston has the Sam Houston, Hardy, and whatever that new one was that was built after I left. DFW has the Bush Turnpike, the 121 tollway and the Dallas North.
And it's not crystal clear at Galveston. Maybe further down the coast near CC, but I've never seen it like that on the Seawall or anywhere near Galveston Bay.
Spent my weekend in Kansas City. It has ten times the character Dallas has. My favorite spot there has to be the River Market District. I managed to even find fresh morels at the farmer's market. ;D
Still not sure what the whole attraction is of the Power & Light district. Seems to be a lot of contrived development that people complain about in West ELM or Hicktown in OKShitty.
I don't think there's much of a debate here.
I love Dallas. I just hate that it's in Texas.
Geez, I said I didn't like Dallas, not that I wanted it to be blown away. ;)
Kansis City seems to have it's stuff together. It lets the subrubs be the suburbs and does it's own thing. Drawing in young professionals, new business, and retaining the existing all at the same time. St. Paul and Minneapolis are the same way. Bigger cities than Tulsa, sure, but the concept is the same. Tulsa shouldn't be competing with Owasso for cheap new subdivisions. We need to be the ubran core of the region.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 03, 2012, 03:11:27 PM
Spent my weekend in Kansas City. It has ten times the character Dallas has. My favorite spot there has to be the River Market District. I managed to even find fresh morels at the farmer's market. ;D
Still not sure what the whole attraction is of the Power & Light district. Seems to be a lot of contrived development that people complain about in West ELM or Hicktown in OKShitty.
IMO KC is a far superior metro to DFW. Much more character and east coast charm vs the oil bidness frontier smarm of Dallas.
The first I saw the P&L District I didn't care for it. However, the second time I visited I actually got it. There is a fair number of local establishments within in the district and it is planned very well.
Quote from: rdj on April 04, 2012, 02:50:02 PM
IMO KC is a far superior metro to DFW. Much more character and east coast charm vs the oil bidness frontier smarm of Dallas.
The first I saw the P&L District I didn't care for it. However, the second time I visited I actually got it. There is a fair number of local establishments within in the district and it is planned very well.
MC and I plan to take our bikes next visit. My old room mate and his son live up near the junction of 169 & 152. We figured we could make a day of it riding down to the airline museum (I did not see the Connie or Martin 404 on the airport apron like they used to be), over to River Market, up to P & L, over to the Plaza, around a few of the neighborhoods then back out to Troy's place. Should be a really good ride. I can't think of a better way to see a city.