I forgot to post about District 1 when it was happening. District 5 is tonight.
The District 5 "City Hall in Your Neighborhood" with Councilor Karen Gilbert is tonight. Join us at 5:30 p.m. at Hale Jr. High, 2177 S. 67th E. Ave.
QuoteJoin Councilor Karen Gilbert on January 24 at the Hale Junior High School auditorium, 2177 S. 67th E. Ave., for the District 5 "City Hall in Your Neighborhood" meeting. The meeting begins at 5:30 p.m. Hope to see you there! More details and a full schedule of all nine meetings available at http://tulsacouncil.org.
"City Hall in Your Neighborhood" Schedule
All of the City Hall In Your Neighborhood events begin at 5:30 p.m., starting with a "Resource Fair," followed by a 6 p.m. presentation and question & answer sessions. The remaining schedule is as follows:
Feb. 6, District 4, Central Library, 400 Civic Center, Aaronson Auditorium
Feb. 20, District 2, ORU Mabee Center - Conference and Banquet Center - 7777 S. Lewis Ave.
March 5, District 3, McClure Park Recreation Center, 7449 E. 7th St.
March 26, District 7, Hardesty Regional Library, 8316 E. 93rd St., Frossard Auditorium
April 24, District 8, Peggy V. Helmerich Library, 5131 E. 91st St.
April 30, District 9, Whiteside Park Community Center, 4009 S. Pittsburg Ave.
May 14, District 6, Martin Regional Library, 2601 S. Garnett Rd.
If citizens have questions or topics they'd like discussed at their district meeting, they should email them to mmccann@tulsacouncil.org. Join the conversation using social media by either writing on our Facebook wall or using hastag #CityHall2u on Twitter.
Having been at the first neighbored meeting held by the council in '90 whereas I found that here was very little interest in neighborhood held meetings. Having been the only person attending one of them was ask by the chairman if there was anything I wanted to speak about. At the change of the governing body some one forgot that minutes had to be kept. They were assembled later. Progress in its making.
The first three of these meetings have together attracted over 700 citizens.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 15, 2012, 11:02:16 PM
The first three of these meetings have together attracted over 700 citizens.
The first three meeting of the council had no more citizens in attendance than could be counted on the fingers of one hand. The minutes of the meetings were not even recorded until much later
Maybe they lied to you about the real location and time of the meetings. I can so seeing them do that to you.
District 2's meeting is Monday at The Mabee Center.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 16, 2012, 11:27:39 PM
Maybe they lied to you about the real location and time of the meetings. I can so seeing them do that to you.
Good buddy is it possible that in frustration of having the voice of the opposing side of the question presented resort to personality exchanges?
You don't frustrate me.
And why do you think your voice is the opposing side of the question (whatever that means)?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 17, 2012, 03:08:51 PM
You don't frustrate me.
And why do you think your voice is the opposing side of the question (whatever that means)?
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I try to present the flip side of questions that will effect the seniors citizens who are living on retirement savings they laid back when working for a dollar a day. Lots of these had an income of less than $300 dollars a year. Yes $300 dollars a year.
Do you want to earn $14 the hard way?
Quote from: shadows on February 17, 2012, 06:37:14 PM
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I try to present the flip side of questions that will effect the seniors citizens who are living on retirement savings they laid back when working for a dollar a day. Lots of these had an income of less than $300 dollars a year. Yes $300 dollars a year.
They should be
really old by now. My grandparents made more than that most of their lives, lived into their 90s, and died more than 10 years ago.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 17, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
They should be really old by now. My grandparents made more than that most of their lives, lived into their 90s, and died more than 10 years ago.
Your grandparents were wealthy and never had to rely on the WPA.
My birth date is 12/29/20 and I saw hogs sell for 25cents each, calf’s sell for 10 cents.
I welded the brackets holding the lights in the bomber plant for 18 dollars a week. Stacked wheat bundles together for 50 cents a day. Worked on a farm for a dollar a day. The minimum wage was set in at $2 dollars a day. Worked for the former B/D moving household appliances for $3 dollars a day.
Quote from: shadows on February 18, 2012, 03:28:59 PM
Your grandparents were wealthy and never had to rely on the WPA.
My birth date is 12/29/20 and I saw hogs sell for 25cents each, calf's sell for 10 cents.
I weld the brackets holding the lights in the bomber plant for 18 dollars a week. Stacked wheat bundles together for 50 cents a day. Worked on a farm for a dollar a day. The minimum wage was set in at $2 dollars a day. Worked for the former B/D moving household appliances for $3 dollars a day.
During the depression, sure. What kind of money were you making by say 1950?
My grandfather came to this country from Poland about 1917 with the shirt on his back and couple of brothers that got here before him. He decided he didn't like working in the coal mine so he took ICS courses to become a machinist. During the depression, the family moved to central FL from the Trenton, NJ area. Grandpop grew some veggies to sell, rebuilt car type batteries, and did whatever. He lost the house to the "bank". Back then you only had to pay interest and the principal came due I guess when the loan ended. Grandpop refused to take a job with the WPA saying he wouldn't take money for not doing a day's work. They took what they had left back to NJ. I don't have the details between FL and the beginning of WWII. He worked in one of the shipyards and actually helped build the ship my dad served on in WWII. I forget the name and size of the ship at the moment but it was a mid-size ship. Grandmom ran a grocery store out of the basement of their house. I don't have details on how they bought the house. By the time I remember, they had a hardware store in the basement. Grandpop retired in the early 60s and Grandmom and Grandpop moved back to central FL and the community where my dad went to elementary school. Grandpop still did odd jobs like minor electrical work and plumbing for friends and neighbors. With that, a small retirement from Philco, and Social Security they did fine. They had a small paid for house, an old car that Grandpop fixed as required, and food on the table. About every other year or so they took a frugal vacation.
So, maybe compared to some they were wealthy but not by any standard I would apply except abject poverty. They worked and had a bit of luck and did well.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 18, 2012, 04:06:39 PM
During the depression, sure. What kind of money were you making by say 1950?
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In 1950 I was making 89 cents an hour or $35.69 a week working for a major steel fabricator reading blueprints and laying out the work. The perks were 7 paid holidays, two weeks paid vacation, Christmas ham and a matching pension plan (which cause the company to sell out instead of declaring bankruptcy)
Like many who were in the workforce it was hard to establish a retirement account for ones old age. Tulsa has thousands of like senior citizens who in their productive years could not or would not believe that 25 cent gallon of milk or 10 cent loaf of bread would in a runaway economy escalate not by pennies but dollars. They have to count their pennies now and they don‘t have enough.
The new generation address it like the boy about six years old who was bouncing a ball in the street in front of a house that I had an appointment with the owners. As I opened the gate I saw a new penny lying in the street. I picked it up and handed it to the boy who had come over and said go buy yourself something. He threw it back down in the street and retorted “what in the hell could you buy for a penny”. (only city sales taxes)
Quote from: shadows on February 18, 2012, 08:07:05 PM
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In 1950 I was making 89 cents an hour (worth $8.37/hr now) (http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm) or $35.69 a week (about $1800/yr, not $300/yr) working for a major steel fabricator reading blueprints and laying out the work. The perks were 7 paid holidays, two weeks paid vacation, Christmas ham and a matching pension plan (which cause the company to sell out instead of declaring bankruptcy)
I'll agree you weren't going to get rich quick but you weren't starving either. My parents bought their first house, 3 Bedroom, 1 bath, Living room, dining room, kitchen, and unfinished basement for about $15,000 in 1953 and sold it for about $21,000 in 1971. In the late 50s, my mom bought a week's worth of groceries and household supplies for a young family of 5 for $30. However, in 1950, being born in 1920, you still had about 35 years to save for your retirement.
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Like many who were in the workforce it was hard to establish a retirement account for ones old age. Tulsa has thousands of like senior citizens who in their productive years could not or would not believe that 25 cent gallon of milk or 10 cent loaf of bread would in a runaway economy escalate not by pennies but dollars. They have to count their pennies now and they don't have enough.
Not saving because you were living from paycheck to paycheck is a reasonable excuse. Not saving because you couldn't believe milk wouldn't go above $.25/gal is not an excuse.
Some on this forum are in favor of inflation and believe it's necessary for a healthy economy. In my opinion, it screws anyone trying to be responsible themselves for a retirement better than social security.
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The new generation address it like the boy about six years old who was bouncing a ball in the street in front of a house that I had an appointment with the owners. As I opened the gate I saw a new penny lying in the street. I picked it up and handed it to the boy who had come over and said go buy yourself something. He threw it back down in the street and retorted "what in the hell could you buy for a penny". (only city sales taxes)
I used to smoke a pipe (Tobacco only. No, really) and filled several empty tobacco cans with pennies. I use them as book ends. Just as you remember $300/yr, I remember gas at $.36/gal. If it was $.38/gal I went to another station or didn't fill up and still put it on the gas company charge system (Sun Checks/Sun Oil Co./Sunoco). That was when the gasoline companies had their own credit systems.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 19, 2012, 12:31:36 AM
Some on this forum are in favor of inflation and believe it's necessary for a healthy economy. In my opinion, it screws anyone trying to be responsible themselves for a retirement better than social security.
You can buy Treasuries indexed to inflation. At worst, you get back in today's dollars what you put in at the beginning. When interest rates are higher than the inflation rate, you can actually make a little money. Inflation can punish people who put money under their mattress or have substantial sums in non-interest-bearing bank accounts.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 19, 2012, 12:31:36 AM
Some on this forum are in favor of inflation and believe it's necessary for a healthy economy. In my opinion, it screws anyone trying to be responsible themselves for a retirement better than social security.
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True but it devaluates any pension they have and their savings. It is the path to total destruction of the stability of any nations economy. Those among us who enjoy inflation would also be pleased if we passed out new money on the first day of the year on a two for one basis.
At the present rate those entering the workforce today must plan for not less than a million dollar retirement kitty. They should have fun gathering that up.
Quote from: shadows on February 19, 2012, 09:46:52 PM
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 19, 2012, 12:31:36 AM
Some on this forum are in favor of inflation and believe it's necessary for a healthy economy. In my opinion, it screws anyone trying to be responsible themselves for a retirement better than social security.
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True but it devaluates any pension they have and their savings. It is the path to total destruction of the stability of any nations economy. Those among us who enjoy inflation would also be pleased if we passed out new money on the first day of the year on a two for one basis.
At the present rate those entering the workforce today must plan for not less than a million dollar retirement kitty. They should have fun gathering that up.
At 1% interest, $1,000,000 will only get you $10,000/year without getting into the principal. $1,000,000 doesn't even work now, unless you plan to die young.
Quote from: nathanm on February 19, 2012, 09:09:33 PM
You can buy Treasuries indexed to inflation. At worst, you get back in today's dollars what you put in at the beginning. When interest rates are higher than the inflation rate, you can actually make a little money. Inflation can punish people who put money under their mattress or have substantial sums in non-interest-bearing bank accounts.
Inflation punishes anyone not in debt.
Quote from: shadows on February 18, 2012, 08:07:05 PM
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In 1950 I was making 89 cents an hour or $35.69 a week working for a major steel fabricator reading blueprints and laying out the work. The perks were 7 paid holidays, two weeks paid vacation, Christmas ham and a matching pension plan (which cause the company to sell out instead of declaring bankruptcy)
Never underestimate the value of a Christmas ham.
Quote from: Conan71 on February 20, 2012, 08:29:46 AM
Never underestimate the value of a Christmas ham.
Truer words were never typed into the intrawebs.
Quote from: carltonplace on February 20, 2012, 09:29:48 AM
Truer words were never typed into the intrawebs.
My company quit giving them out; they used to give use the spiral-cut hams from that place at 61st and Memorial (same complex with the Chinese Buffet behind the Hooters). Those things were addictive for sure.
Quote from: Hoss on February 20, 2012, 09:42:54 AM
My company quit giving them out; they used to give use the spiral-cut hams from that place at 61st and Memorial (same complex with the Chinese Buffet behind the Hooters). Those things were addictive for sure.
Tulsa Cable. (The one before "United Artist" "TCI" and now "Cox") Gave out Turkey's for Thanksgiving and Ham's for Christmas. Always had the must go to Christmas party and even paid Triple time and a half on Holiday's.
Man how times have changed.
My company still orders a pallet of Cusack hog legs every year. I don't have the storage capacity for it at the moment so I gave it to my out of work neighbor this year. Even though Gaspar alleviated some of my concerns about sodium nitrite curing, I still don't know that I'll use mine from now on. If I can make someone else happy as a re-gift, that's not such a bad thing.
Quote from: DolfanBob on February 20, 2012, 10:00:13 AM
Tulsa Cable. (The one before "United Artist" "TCI" and now "Cox") Gave out Turkey's for Thanksgiving and Ham's for Christmas. Always had the must go to Christmas party and even paid Triple time and a half on Holiday's.
Man how times have changed.
I can remember working at Bender Direct Mail in the early nineties and getting paid "seventh day pay", which was triple. This was when we were printing the old gray City of Tulsa utility bills (I had a big hand in that design). That was pretty much my entire morning was printing those things. Usually between 5000 and 8000 per day.