They have a suspect in custody.....
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=12&articleid=20111209_12_0_TheOkl504769&r=4284
Quote from: Breadburner on December 09, 2011, 04:11:00 PM
They have a suspect in custody.....
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=12&articleid=20111209_12_0_TheOkl504769&r=4284
About time..I figured that would be the case when I got a Channel 6 breaking news alert that the OSBI had called a press conference in Weleetka...
Another source that doesn't limit access with pics of the sexstain (self edited).
http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/man-charged-murder-two-weleetka-girls/nFyST/
OSBI was always known as the nursing home where cases go to quietly die.
This one has apparently been a lot harder to shake off.
If they need someone to put the needle in, let me know.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on December 11, 2011, 08:44:14 PM
If they need someone to put the needle in, let me know.
You need the proper training to put the needle in. No fumbling about is allowed.
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 11, 2011, 08:47:57 PM
You need the proper training to put the needle in. No fumbling about is allowed.
I'll use a .45 to make a guide hole.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on December 11, 2011, 08:53:57 PM
I'll use a .45 to make a guide hole.
While I share your sentiments, I doubt the legality of your plan. We wouldn't want to violate the condemned man's rights as a human being.
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 11, 2011, 09:09:49 PM
While I share your sentiments, I doubt the legality of your plan. We wouldn't want to violate the condemned man's rights as a human being.
You are right. That would be inconsistent with my true attitudes about the rule of law and the US Constitution. But thinking about it really appeals to my inner child! One of the kids has a key fob that I love - it says, "My inner child is a mean little F***er!"
As a side note, wanna bet on how many know what a key fob is? Without google!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on December 11, 2011, 09:15:45 PM
"My inner child is a mean little F***er!"
As a side note, wanna bet on how many know what a key fob is? Without google!
Farter?
The youngest generation may not even know what a key is.
No, I am NOT talking about a Kilo.
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 11, 2011, 09:27:38 PM
Farter?
The youngest generation may not even know what a key is.
No, I am NOT talking about a Kilo.
Yeah, farter would work, too.
Didn't he kill someone else ? and then make a error in a statement to one of his victim's relatives ?
It's not like OSBI actually cracked this case like they want everyone to believe. They came under fire for all the cold cases that they have not been able to close. This would help them tremendously in that area.
I still want to know how you get a gun serial number, make and model off of recovered bullets.
And Mr Sweat is a far cry from the composite sketch of the Indian on the road that day.
But hey he said he saw two monsters coming at him and shot them so there you have it. I still believe that dope was involved in these killings and more will be coming out involving family member's. Just a hunch from a friend who lives in the area.
Quote from: DolfanBob on December 13, 2011, 10:17:19 AM
Didn't he kill someone else ? and then make a error in a statement to one of his victim's relatives ?
It's not like OSBI actually cracked this case like they want everyone to believe. They came under fire for all the cold cases that they have not been able to close. This would help them tremendously in that area.
I still want to know how you get a gun serial number, make and model off of recovered bullets.
And Mr Sweat is a far cry from the composite sketch of the Indian on the road that day.
But hey he said he saw two monsters coming at him and shot them so there you have it. I still believe that dope was involved in these killings and more will be coming out involving family member's. Just a hunch from a friend who lives in the area.
OSBI has been a lot like ATF over the years. But not as competent.
They report that he killed his wife too. Anyone know of the substance of his blogs they say they were following? It sounds like this guy was a suspect from day one.
Quote from: DolfanBob on December 13, 2011, 10:17:19 AM
I still want to know how you get a gun serial number, make and model off of recovered bullets.
Well, if you have some bullets, you know the caliber. If you have a suspect who bought firearms legally, you ask around and find out who he bought guns from. If he bought from an FFL, you go look at their records. If you find that he bought a .40 caliber pistol, you try to find the gun to see if you can match the bullets.
And if this guy did it, he doesn't deserve to die. That's too good for him. Let him while away every second of his remaining natural life in prison. Sitting in a bare room by yourself for 23 and a half hours a day without even a book to read is rather punishing.
Quote from: DolfanBob on December 13, 2011, 10:17:19 AM
Didn't he kill someone else ? and then make a error in a statement to one of his victim's relatives ?
It's not like OSBI actually cracked this case like they want everyone to believe. They came under fire for all the cold cases that they have not been able to close. This would help them tremendously in that area.
I still want to know how you get a gun serial number, make and model off of recovered bullets.
And Mr Sweat is a far cry from the composite sketch of the Indian on the road that day.
But hey he said he saw two monsters coming at him and shot them so there you have it. I still believe that dope was involved in these killings and more will be coming out involving family member's. Just a hunch from a friend who lives in the area.
Brain Dead....
Quote from: nathanm on December 13, 2011, 09:36:01 PM
Well, if you have some bullets, you know the caliber. If you have a suspect who bought firearms legally, you ask around and find out who he bought guns from. If he bought from an FFL, you go look at their records. If you find that he bought a .40 caliber pistol, you try to find the gun to see if you can match the bullets.
And if this guy did it, he doesn't deserve to die. That's too good for him. Let him while away every second of his remaining natural life in prison. Sitting in a bare room by yourself for 23 and a half hours a day without even a book to read is rather punishing.
This reply is more or less an FYI to all who post here, not a lecture on your post.
I haven't gotten them with every hand gun I've ever purchased, but from some manufacturers, you will find an empty shell casing in a little manila envelope in the gun case. I've never had it explained to me this way, but I've come to assume that means the firearm I bought was test-fired at the factory. You don't get the spent slug, just the casing. My guess is the slug is recovered and the ballistic information is entered into a database, much like a database for fingerprints. Even though the machining for the rifling in a gun barrel should be pretty uniform from gun-to-gun there are distinct and subtle differences from each weapon, much like human fingerprints or DNA.
As well, the Glock 22 .40 cal is a very common LEO weapon. They are frequently traded in by the wholesale lot by police departments to Glock for new guns. Glock reconditions them and sells them to licensed FFL's and they can sell them from their shops or at gun shows or online. You can buy them for easily $100 or so less than a new weapon. This is my guess: this weapon originally started life as an LEO gun, and went through the re-con program or it this DB was the first owner of it and they had the original ballistics on record at Glock.
FWIW, I agree that the death penalty is far too good for this maniac.
Quote from: Conan71 on December 13, 2011, 11:57:54 PM
This reply is more or less an FYI to all who post here, not a lecture on your post.
I haven't gotten them with every hand gun I've ever purchased, but from some manufacturers, you will find an empty shell casing in a little manila envelope in the gun case. I've never had it explained to me this way, but I've come to assume that means the firearm I bought was test-fired at the factory. You don't get the spent slug, just the casing. My guess is the slug is recovered and the ballistic information is entered into a database, much like a database for fingerprints. Even though the machining for the rifling in a gun barrel should be pretty uniform from gun-to-gun there are distinct and subtle differences from each weapon, much like human fingerprints or DNA.
As well, the Glock 22 .40 cal is a very common LEO weapon. They are frequently traded in by the wholesale lot by police departments to Glock for new guns. Glock reconditions them and sells them to licensed FFL's and they can sell them from their shops or at gun shows or online. You can buy them for easily $100 or so less than a new weapon. This is my guess: this weapon originally started life as an LEO gun, and went through the re-con program or it this DB was the first owner of it and they had the original ballistics on record at Glock.
FWIW, I agree that the death penalty is far too good for this maniac.
Same here; as the Bersa .380 I purchased had the same (spent casings in a 4 inch manila envelope). I still haven't fired it yet; I need to get to the range, but don't have a membership. I'm leaning toward TGC out north (because I know some people in the organization and they are truly good people). Plus I get a good price on getting my C/C license out there. Only thing I've done with that gun is broken it down and cleaned it. Oh, and spent almost a weeks' pay after I bought it at Bass Pro getting stuff for it, then wound up getting more stuff for it at Sports World (the one on 41st just east of Sheridan).
Quote from: Hoss on December 14, 2011, 12:42:24 AM
Same here; as the Bersa .380 I purchased had the same (spent casings in a 4 inch manila envelope). I still haven't fired it yet; I need to get to the range, but don't have a membership. I'm leaning toward TGC out north (because I know some people in the organization and they are truly good people). Plus I get a good price on getting my C/C license out there. Only thing I've done with that gun is broken it down and cleaned it. Oh, and spent almost a weeks' pay after I bought it at Bass Pro getting stuff for it, then wound up getting more stuff for it at Sports World (the one on 41st just east of Sheridan).
Far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't let the guys at Sports World wash my golf balls, but I digress. If you want a great referral for your CC, one that is really meaningful and you will get way more than what you bargained for, send me a PM.
Quote from: Breadburner on December 13, 2011, 10:49:19 PM
Brain Dead....
I knew that would rattle a cage or two. Keep eating that spoon fed media as they want you too.
Quote from: Conan71 on December 13, 2011, 11:57:54 PM
I haven't gotten them with every hand gun I've ever purchased, but from some manufacturers, you will find an empty shell casing in a little manila envelope in the gun case. I've never had it explained to me this way, but I've come to assume that means the firearm I bought was test-fired at the factory. You don't get the spent slug, just the casing. My guess is the slug is recovered and the ballistic information is entered into a database, much like a database for fingerprints. Even though the machining for the rifling in a gun barrel should be pretty uniform from gun-to-gun there are distinct and subtle differences from each weapon, much like human fingerprints or DNA.
A Colt Python I had once had the test target in the box from the factory with the range masters signature. There were 5 holes in the paper, almost one over the other. Could have been six, but it didn't show as a round shape at the edge - it would have gone through the middle. They used wadcutters, I think (don't get all excited Breadhead!) because it looked like they had been made by a paper punch. No tearing, just a neat little hole.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on December 14, 2011, 09:28:01 AM
A Colt Python I had once had the test target in the box from the factory with the range masters signature. There were 5 holes in the paper, almost one over the other. Could have been six, but it didn't show as a round shape at the edge - it would have gone through the middle. They used wadcutters, I think (don't get all excited Breadhead!) because it looked like they had been made by a paper punch. No tearing, just a neat little hole.
Now THAT would be a great job. Not as cool as test-firing Howitzers, but it wouldn't suck.
I believe one of the early articles stated the gun originally came from the Baltimore Police Dept. and was sold to a Okla. gun dealer The Baltimore PD still had a spent shell casing from the gun to compare with those found at the scene.