This is an awesome story about the downtown parade...
http://thislandpress.com/12/05/2011/the-history-of-the-tulsa-holiday-parade/
December 5, 2011
J.M. Hall, the often-called Father of Tulsa who partnered with his brother H.C. in the early 1880s to build Tulsa's first wood-frame mercantile on the northwest corner of First and Main Streets, talked in a Christmas Eve, 1933 Tulsa Daily World article about Tulsa's first Christmas. There was just one Christmas tree in the whole town, Hall said, cut from Cedar Island up the Arkansas River. The reporter waxed poetic about how the cowboys, the Indians, and the white children huddled in the little Creek village against the icy stubble of the prairie. The atmosphere was festive, though, and the ranch hands fired their pistols into the air to celebrate the arrival of Christmas. Santa Claus was there, too — it was Hall in a red suit — but the reporter didn't mention that any of the children were wise to that fact.
"Ours was a real get-together," Hall told the World. "Each of us knew everyone else. There were no strangers...Today there are so many Tulsans, with so wide a variety of interests, that that would be impossible now."
Planning for the next Tulsa Holiday Parade of Lights begins right after New Year's. Larry Fox, the parade's organizer, meets with a handful of volunteers to plot the timeline for the event—who contacts sponsors, who figures out which roads should be closed, where does the TV crew go? The date, always circled in red, is the second Saturday of December.
The first time Fox helped to organize the parade was nearly 25 years ago. Young and eager, he'd signed on as a board intern at Downtown Tulsa Unlimited, which organized, produced, and staffed the parade. When DTU was dissolved in late summer 2009, Fox tried to work a deal with the Tulsa Chamber of Commerce to organize the parade, but the group had no appetite for the parade business. But Fox didn't want the parade to die. He had less than five months to reverse engineer a metropolitan parade of lights, with the help of just a few volunteers.
Fox liked being the parade board's chairman. He presided over meetings, gave interviews on TV, hung out with Miss America before the parade. It wasn't that much work until a few years ago, he said. Lining up sponsors is what keeps him busy for most of the year. Parades are expensive — just to close the streets along the parade route costs $14,000, 30 percent of the total cost of the event.
Work begins on floats and arrangements for the Godzilla-like helium balloons in late summer, in spite of the risk to cost — city permits sometimes aren't passed until just before an event, sometimes even after they're over. On the eve of the parade, Fox hosts a competition and awards ceremony for the float builders; on the other side of downtown, the TV crew fires up a couple of grills. They cook out as they unload their trucks and set up the stage where local news anchors will sit the following night, bundled up in coats and scarves as they emcee the televised version of the parade.
Parade day is a blur. In the morning, Fox sets up headquarters near the staging area, where volunteers can add a check next to the names of the parade entries as they arrive. At around 3 p.m., a crew with the Tulsa Police Department closes the streets along the parade route. A group of parade marshals shows up to volunteer, and Fox issues each an orange vest and a walkie-talkie. They take their assigned positions along the parade route, some of them doing the same thing they've done for this parade for decades. Some of them stick close to the staging area to feed floats and balloons and 100-piece marching bands onto the parade route. It's a job that's reserved for the most experienced among them, a job Larry often handles personally.
The parade steps off at 6 p.m. without much fanfare. There's no burst of lights or confetti raining down from overhead when the TV broadcast begins; the most parade-goers might hear is the drum major of the first band counting off Jingle Bells. On TV, the job looks easy, like how a good tailor feeds a hem steadily and effortlessly under the needle of a sewing machine. The broadcast lasts only an hour, and mistiming send-offs by just seconds could keep Santa waiting from his post on the final float until after the cameras switch off.
Fox remembers going to the parade as a kid, along with his sister and their parents. It was a Saturday morning parade then. He had a spinster aunt who lived in an apartment at 9th and Main Street. Her living room window was his perch, opened to the cold outside so he could gaze over the parade as it passed through the street and the crowds below.
"We thought it was cool because she had a Murphy bed that folded out of the wall," Fox said. "I went as a kid. I took my kids when they were little. My wife asked me, 'Are you still going to do this?' [And I said:] Who else is going to do it?"
By the late 1920s, the downtown parade had become a major community event in Tulsa. The members of the Trade Extension Committee of the Retail Merchants Association [RMA], under the leadership of Gary Vandever of Vandever's Department Store, were the architects of the original parade. The 1927 committee reads like a who's who in defunct Tulsa department stores: John Dunkin of Brown-Dunkin, James Halliburton of Halliburton-Abbott and Max May of May Brothers were among them. The early predecessors of the suburban shopping malls that helped to close their doors some 40 years later, their stores took up entire street corners, were stacked stories high, employed hundreds, and offered downtown shoppers everything from dry goods to mink coats.
The city had seen its first large-scale Christmas parade the year before, when Santa landed his sleigh and four reindeer in Owen Park 22 days before Christmas. The parade — with Santa and the reindeer on a float near the rear, sandwiched between motorcycle police, the parade marshal, and marching bands — set out east on Easton, zigzagged through town, and ended at the courthouse, where Tulsans had set up an igloo and reindeer corral on the lawn. Sheet music for Jingle Bells was passed to parade goers, and they were instructed to sing when they saw Santa waving from his float as it came toward them. The Tribune reported a crowd of 50,000, saying the 1926 parade was the biggest event ever to hit the town, since wartime at least.
But for the 1927 parade, the winter after Charles Lindbergh landed his transcontinental flight from New York to Le Bourget Field, the men of the RMA were looking for something new, something even more exciting. They decided that Santa should ditch his sleigh in favor of a red and green monoplane, striped like a candy cane and with "icicles" hanging from the fuselage and rigging, with the words "Santa Claus" painted on the underside of the wings. They conspired with the local media to build buzz around their aeronautical scheme.
Assuming Captain Evergreen as his nom de plume, a Tulsa Tribunereporter was assigned to fashion a report on the whereabouts of Santa Claus every day for a week before the 1927 Christmas parade in downtown Tulsa. In the November 21 edition was printed a radiogram:
NOW CHILDREN I AM GOING TO TELL YOU MY SECRET AND MY SURPRISE FOR YOU STOP I AM COMING TO TULSA BY AIRPLANE AND WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT STOP MY REINDEER HAVE SERVED ME MIGHTY WELL FOR MANY YEARS BUT WITH EVERYONE ELSE USING AIRPLANES I THOUGHT I WOULD TRY IT TOO AND SO I HAVE BEEN TAKING LESSONS ALL SUMMER AND AM NOW AN EXPERT AVIATOR IN ADDITION TO BEING SANTA CLAUS STOP WILL TELL YOU IN A MESSAGE TUESDAY JUST WHEN I WILL ARRIVE IN TULSA AS MY MECHANICS ARE PUTTING MY AIRPLANE IN THE BEST CONDITION FOR THE LONG FLIGHT TO TULSA
(Signed) SANTA CLAUS
At about 7:30 p.m. that Saturday, the drone of Santa's airplane rose in the ears of the crowd waiting downtown. Thousands craned their necks from where they stood on the sidewalks. Two "toymakers" launched green, red, and gold fireworks from the wings of the plane as it flew over the central business district.
It looked like a giant comet, like an amazing skyrocket, the Sunday paper reported. The show continued for several minutes as the plane circled downtown. Then the sky went dark as Santa blazed east for a secret landing at McIntyre Airport.
The next annual report out of the Retail Merchants Association offices hailed the parade as the crown jewel of its second-annual Christmas opening which, like the first one, had "turned out to be a wonderful method of turning the popular thought toward the holiday season and early shopping." By the winter of 1929, the parade had become a Tulsa institution, said the group's 1930 report, and plans were nearly complete for the next year's parade — but without the Santa rocket. The aeroplane was a rather cumbersome way of bringing Santa to Tulsa, the group admitted — after all, the parade had been delayed by more than an hour because the wing of the plane slammed into a tree along North Cincinnati, on the way from the airport to the staging area. There wasn't any parking in downtown Tulsa for such a vehicle, anyway, they said.
By 1933, downtown stores stayed open later than their normal hours "in order to accommodate the largest throng of Christmas shoppers that has ever visited Tulsa in any one day," reported the World. The parade that year featured Santa in a rubber-tired sleigh and wonders from around the world, including Alaskan totem poles and a Japanese couple. Wrote Santa, in a story he penned for the World before the parade: "I want you to see a real Japanese man and wife and see how they travel in a jinrikisha. Japanese are a curious people and while they have a great love like other people they do not believe in the same kind of religion that Americans do."
The parade had ballooned to a dozen floats by 1950, and the daytime event went by the name "Yuletide," or "Yule Parade," according to The Tulsa Spirit, a chamber of commerce publication. The parade suffered a pause thanks to World War II, and organizers delayed the event when President Kennedy was assassinated the day before the scheduled parade day.
In 1980 the parade suffered a schism when a troupe of young baton twirlers was banned from the official Tulsa Christmas parade. The Tulsa Jaycees were the sponsors that year, and they had decided that children couldn't be part of the professional-grade event they wanted to present to the people of Tulsa. The baton teacher, Sand Springsite Doris Wheelus, asked permission for a second parade following the Jaycee route. Though Jim Gotwals of the Jaycees pleaded with the City Commission to approve only the Tulsa Christmas parade, it OK'd the Jaycee permit as well as Wheelus' request.
Then-Mayor James Inhofe and Finance Commission head Ron Young were concerned. They weren't interested in setting a precedent. "What would happen if the city faced three or even four Christmas parade requests the following year?" Inhofe asked his city in the daily paper. He asked the children and the Jaycees to settle their differences. In 1981, there was only one parade, just as Inhofe wanted.
By 2009, "Christmas" had already fallen out of the official name of the parade. Years of meetings and a series of phone calls and e-mails between the members of the parade board — some members of Downtown Tulsa Unlimited, a rep from previous parade sponsor Public Service Company of Oklahoma [PSO] and Larry Fox — culminated in the sacking of Christmas and the adoption of what they saw as the more inclusive Parade of Lights. When asked about what happened with the name change that year, Stan Whiteford, a rep in media relations at PSO, said, "I don't know that you could say there was an official name change. We'd always referred to it as the Parade of Lights."
No one seemed to notice the name change at the time. To the average parade-goer, it was still the downtown Christmas parade. It wasn't until 2010, when Inhofe publicly declined to join in the parade, that everyone took notice. Inhofe explained that he didn't want to participate in a celebration in which the word "Christmas" was absent. News of Inhofe's decision was publicly debated on major media outlets, and even garnered the attention of a New York Times editorial.
In the November 15, 2011 issue of This Land, publisher Vincent LoVoi printed an open letter to Senator Inhofe, inviting him to participate in the parade once again. Parade organizers opted not to change the name of the parade again this year in hopes of creating a celebration that includes all Tulsans, no matter where they worship or which December holiday they celebrate. Despite the invitation, Inhofe declined the opportunity to participate in the parade.
Several other downtown events will bring Tulsans together with the aim of spreading holiday cheer during and around the Tulsa Holiday Parade of Lights. The sound of thousands of tiny bells tied to the shoelaces of Tulsa runners that's part of the annual Jingle Bell Run will fill the streets that afternoon; ice skating and horse-drawn carriage rides will be on offer at Arvest Winterfest, just outside the BOK Center, and a pop-up shopping district at 5th and Boston will wrap shoppers looking for Oklahoma-centric gifts in a 200-foot tunnel of lights. For the first time ever, Fox said, the parade line-up will feature entries from a variety of faiths. The Islamic Society of Tulsa has sponsored a float, and the members of Temple Israel and Congregation B'nai Emunah will be in the parade, marching together with helium Happy Hanukkah balloons. They'll join the marching bands, firefighters, and mascots from Tulsa's local sports teams, all lined up from a much larger pool of entries than that of the year before.
Throughout its more than 80 years, the parade has transformed from a small-town Christmas shopping event to one of Tulsa's largest and most inclusive parades. This year it will be a celebration of the city's diversity—evidence that the city really is becoming a more tolerant and welcoming place for people of all beliefs and creeds. As it grows, it's doing what a parade is supposed to do.
"It's for the community," said Fox. "When you're down there and you're walking around and you see kids smile and wave when Santa goes by—that's why you do it."
Thanks to This Land Press for helping this parade this year. I love their paper.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on December 05, 2011, 05:05:51 PM
Thanks to This Land Press for helping this parade this year. I love their paper.
Just got my first issue at the garden barn on 61st! Enjoyed the read. Love the garden shop!!
Going to try to make the parade this year after several I've missed.
Should point out that I have never heard anyone in Sand Springs refer to themselves as Sand Springsite as in the article. May be accurate, just not common. They are better known as Sandites.
Do you call people from Claremore Claremorons?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on December 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
Do you call people from Claremore Claremorons?
Not to their face.
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 06, 2011, 03:08:00 PM
Not to their face.
Nah. Depends on how big an ole' boy they are...
Quote from: Hoss on December 06, 2011, 04:19:50 PM
Nah. Depends on how big an ole' boy they are...
I'm not that big and getting old enough to take longer to heal.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on December 06, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
Do you call people from Claremore Claremorons?
That's exactly what the people who work there, but live in other towns call them!
And for some unGodly, unknown reason, it seems like everyone in town likes El Charro Mexican restaurant!! I honestly believe that if forced - at gunpoint - between El Charro and Action Erection, I would have to go with Action Erection. Makes me shudder just to think about it!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on December 06, 2011, 05:29:55 PM
That's exactly what the people who work there, but live in other towns call them!
And for some unGodly, unknown reason, it seems like everyone in town likes El Charro Mexican restaurant!! I honestly believe that if forced - at gunpoint - between El Charro and Action Erection, I would have to go with Action Erection. Makes me shudder just to think about it!
Just the phrase 'would you rather do El Charro or Action Erection?' should make you shudder...
Quote from: Hoss on December 06, 2011, 06:23:51 PM
Just the phrase 'would you rather do El Charro or Action Erection?' should make you shudder...
Made me shudder, although Charo was pretty hot back in the '70's ;)
(http://www.charo.info/albums/publicity/charo_photo_charo_6230765.jpg)
Quote from: Conan71 on December 06, 2011, 06:52:47 PM
Made me shudder, although Charo was pretty hot back in the '70's ;)
(http://www.charo.info/albums/publicity/charo_photo_charo_6230765.jpg)
"Coochie coochie"...wait, what?
Quote from: Hoss on December 06, 2011, 07:29:30 PM
"Coochie coochie"...wait, what?
Freakin' Loveboat. What the Hell was I watching?
I just realized this thread took 13 posts to go from the DT Holiday Parade to Charo on Loveboat.
I think at least 2 angels should get their wings for that accomplishment.
Quote from: Townsend on December 07, 2011, 10:06:53 AM
Freakin' Loveboat. What the Hell was I watching?
She was a frequent guest on Johnny Carson's show too.
Quote from: Townsend on December 07, 2011, 10:08:55 AM
I just realized this thread took 13 posts to go from the DT Holiday Parade to Charo on Loveboat.
I think at least 2 angels should get their wings for that accomplishment.
For holding it off that long or getting it there that quickly?
Quote from: AquaMan on December 06, 2011, 01:17:10 PM
Going to try to make the parade this year after several I've missed.
Should point out that I have never heard anyone in Sand Springs refer to themselves as Sand Springsite as in the article. May be accurate, just not common. They are better known as Sandites.
That's a bad misstep, they refer to themselves as Sandites.
My favortie part of the whole name change thing for the parade was the attention it got on the Daily show. Jon Stewart screamed the word Tulsa 3-4 times. It was great. Tulsa came out look like a reasonable place.
Well, looks like I've got myself stuck in a nice little sh!tstorm over all of this. My daughter is in the Young Marines. Her mother has custody. This weekend, however, is my visitation weekend. Turns out that the Young Marines are in the "Christmas Parade" in Southern Hills. I refuse to give this stupid event any of my support because it is just starting a bunch of stupidity over nothing. So now I'm in the crappy situation of not allowing my daughter to go, thus creating all kinds of stupidity with her mother, and likely causing a big court battle because she will keep her from me for my holiday visitation (which starts Christmas eve), or I can go, drop her off, and leave, and not have a show of supporting my daughter, or I can go against what I believe and be there and support her and be a nice little hypocrite.
I wonder what it would take to get an occupy group to join me down there to protest it...
The time she is a young daughter is precious and short. Be a Dad. She needs your support.
You can still dislike the whole idea later.
Or, you tell me to p#ss off and that's okay too.
How old is your daughter? Old enough to help decide whether she wants to go?
Young Marines are age 8 thru High School according to a link on Google. That's a pretty wide range.
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 07, 2011, 08:13:32 PM
How old is your daughter? Old enough to help decide whether she wants to go?
Young Marines are age 8 thru High School according to a link on Google. That's a pretty wide range.
She is 10. Something else to keep in mind is that it seems that every time it is my weekend here lately it seems that there is an event that I'm supposed to be there to support her for. I've had to rearrange my weekends around this for months, yet it suddenly becomes optional when she is with her mother. It's a whole can of worms that I'm trying to work my through on this.
Quote from: custosnox on December 07, 2011, 08:25:00 PM
She is 10. Something else to keep in mind is that it seems that every time it is my weekend here lately it seems that there is an event that I'm supposed to be there to support her for. I've had to rearrange my weekends around this for months, yet it suddenly becomes optional when she is with her mother. It's a whole can of worms that I'm trying to work my through on this.
+1 with AquaMan and you are welcome to tell me to get stuffed too, but allow me to impart some advice first:
I hate to tell you this, Custo, expect another eight years of this. Grit your teeth and do it because, trust me, kids have a fantastic ability to remind you of every single event you ever missed, yet can't seem to remember the ones you were at.
I had to deal with gymnastics and cheer cutting through all sorts of "mandated" visitation time and yes, it gets frustrating. Fortunately, their mother and I got along pretty well and she was really good about trying to make sure I wasn't getting the short end of the stick as much as she could. As kids get older and more active, it's pretty hard to rigidly observe visitation schedules without screwing the kids out of their activities, or weekend time with friends.
Do yourself and your kids a favor, avoid further court proceedings at all costs. My youngest just went off to college this fall, so it's all still pretty fresh.
Quote from: Conan71 on December 07, 2011, 09:54:17 PM
+1 with AquaMan and you are welcome to tell me to get stuffed too, but allow me to impart some advice first:
I hate to tell you this, Custo, expect another eight years of this. Grit your teeth and do it because, trust me, kids have a fantastic ability to remind you of every single event you ever missed, yet can't seem to remember the ones you were at.
I had to deal with gymnastics and cheer cutting through all sorts of "mandated" visitation time and yes, it gets frustrating. Fortunately, their mother and I got along pretty well and she was really good about trying to make sure I wasn't getting the short end of the stick as much as she could. As kids get older and more active, it's pretty hard to rigidly observe visitation schedules without screwing the kids out of their activities, or weekend time with friends.
Do yourself and your kids a favor, avoid further court proceedings at all costs. My youngest just went off to college this fall, so it's all still pretty fresh.
Wouldn't tell ya to get stuffed, I mentioned this here because I'm battling an internal ethical dilemma on this whole situation, and I value the opinions of those on this board. I just am having a difficult time telling myself that it's okay to go against what I believe is right to support something my child is doing. Guess I now kind of know how a fundamentalist feels when their kid tells them that they are gay.
Quote from: custosnox on December 07, 2011, 10:25:48 PM
Wouldn't tell ya to get stuffed, I mentioned this here because I'm battling an internal ethical dilemma on this whole situation, and I value the opinions of those on this board. I just am having a difficult time telling myself that it's okay to go against what I believe is right to support something my child is doing. Guess I now kind of know how a fundamentalist feels when their kid tells them that they are gay.
Yep, pretty much the same thing, but just because the Young Marines were recruited for the "Christmas" parade and not the "Holiday" parade isn't a reflection about a religious orientation of the Young Marines. Remember what we all concluded by the changing of the name to "Holiday" parade in downtown? It's just a name.
The whole idea is to bring the city together in the spirit of holiday togetherness. The winter holiday, Chanukah, Christmas, Kwanza, Winter Solstice- whatever it's called isn't near as much about personal beliefs- IMO. It's about reflecting as the year nears it's end, sharing, and giving. Unfortunately some non-Christians think Christians have co-opted the entire holiday season and unfortunately some narrow-minded Christians think the rest of the world is out to take away their personal interpretation of the holiday.
Personally, I don't care what the parade is called. What concerns me is how much everyone wants to focus on differences rather than similarities- whether it's spiritually, politically, or neighborly.
Sorry for the drift/rant. Do what you think is right, but I'd highly recommend you go have a What-A-Burger after the south parade with your daughter. At least, that's what I would do.
Support your girl. That's bigger than the stupidity forming a secondary parade.
Quote from: Conan71 on December 07, 2011, 10:56:54 PM
Yep, pretty much the same thing, but just because the Young Marines were recruited for the "Christmas" parade and not the "Holiday" parade isn't a reflection about a religious orientation of the Young Marines. Remember what we all concluded by the changing of the name to "Holiday" parade in downtown? It's just a name.
The whole idea is to bring the city together in the spirit of holiday togetherness. The winter holiday, Chanukah, Christmas, Kwanza, Winter Solstice- whatever it's called isn't near as much about personal beliefs- IMO. It's about reflecting as the year nears it's end, sharing, and giving. Unfortunately some non-Christians think Christians have co-opted the entire holiday season and unfortunately some narrow-minded Christians think the rest of the world is out to take away their personal interpretation of the holiday.
Personally, I don't care what the parade is called. What concerns me is how much everyone wants to focus on differences rather than similarities- whether it's spiritually, politically, or neighborly.
Sorry for the drift/rant. Do what you think is right, but I'd highly recommend you go have a What-A-Burger after the south parade with your daughter. At least, that's what I would do.
I really don't care what it's called either. It's that I disagree with the message they are sending by having it at the same time on the same day as the downtown one. And I can't do What-A-Burger. Got food poisoning from one a long time ago, and the thought of the place makes me sick now
Quote from: Townsend on December 07, 2011, 11:35:36 PM
Support your girl. That's bigger than the stupidity forming a secondary parade.
I just hate the hypocrisy involved on my part by doing so.
Quote from: custosnox on December 07, 2011, 11:41:04 PM
It's that I disagree with the message they are sending by having it at the same time on the same day as the downtown one.
This is indeed the ridiculous part.
FWIW, I'd probably suck it up and go, despite how hard-headed I am about such things.
I'd love to see record attendance at the downtown parade...
Quote from: custosnox on December 07, 2011, 07:55:24 PM
Well, looks like I've got myself stuck in a nice little sh!tstorm over all of this. My daughter is in the Young Marines. Her mother has custody. This weekend, however, is my visitation weekend. Turns out that the Young Marines are in the "Christmas Parade" in Southern Hills. I refuse to give this stupid event any of my support because it is just starting a bunch of stupidity over nothing. So now I'm in the crappy situation of not allowing my daughter to go, thus creating all kinds of stupidity with her mother, and likely causing a big court battle because she will keep her from me for my holiday visitation (which starts Christmas eve), or I can go, drop her off, and leave, and not have a show of supporting my daughter, or I can go against what I believe and be there and support her and be a nice little hypocrite.
I wonder what it would take to get an occupy group to join me down there to protest it...
You gotta be kidding...
Be the hypocrite. It's ALL about your daughter, and your "needs" are not that pressing to push the issue over this. Besides, it means you get to enjoy her company just that much more!! You get to share what is important to her (Young Marines participation). Ignore the name of it - it just doesn't matter what they call it. Yeah it's stupid, but hey, it's like that Dustin Hoffman movie - it's ALL BS, you just gotta find the layer of BS you can live with and stay there.
Enjoy her while you can, because this kind of stuff with her ends way too soon! And you will miss it. And regret things you missed.
And then I read the rest of the posts after that one and saw everyone ganging up on you....
Quote from: custosnox on December 07, 2011, 08:25:00 PM
She is 10. Something else to keep in mind is that it seems that every time it is my weekend here lately it seems that there is an event that I'm supposed to be there to support her for. I've had to rearrange my weekends around this for months, yet it suddenly becomes optional when she is with her mother. It's a whole can of worms that I'm trying to work my through on this.
Yeah, that kind of crap happens a lot. You got less than 8 years of it left, though, so take the videos, pictures, etc. and get the enjoyment you can out of being with her in whatever venue.
FWIW, the real reason for Christmas/Holiday Parades was to stimulate traffic and commerce downtown near the parade. Once downtown no longer was a serious retail district it slowly morphed into more of a community year end nostalgia fest. Thus it was easy to drop the Christmas label and adopt a more inclusive and accurate label of Holiday. The new Christmas parade isn't out on an island somewhere, its returning to its roots as a retail stimulation tool by locating near Tulsa Hills.
Enjoy your time at the parade!
Plus - it's a parade! Who cares what it's called? It's a parade!!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on December 08, 2011, 11:50:35 AM
Plus - it's a parade! Who cares what it's called? It's a parade!!
Just for the record, it's not a matter of what it's called. It's just the motives behind the date and time.
Oh, and the fact that for as long as I can remember I have taken the kids to the downtown parade...
Quote from: custosnox on December 08, 2011, 12:59:44 PM
Oh, and the fact that for as long as I can remember I have taken the kids to the downtown parade...
I know. That can be a real pisser.
Try to talk her into joining the Girl Scouts instead of Young Marines.
What if she got to be in the downtown parade?
We could probably find a group she could march with or a float she could ride on.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on December 08, 2011, 01:40:49 PM
What if she got to be in the downtown parade?
We could probably find a group she could march with or a float she could ride on.
Yeah, that would go over real well with her mother lol.