I'm sure that some of the TNF members have heard about the pop-up shopping district in the deco district. I went down and did some Christmas shopping tonight. I really think that people should check it out. It's all local companies mist of whom make their own products or retail local crafts. I had a really great time. If you get a chance, by all means check it out. Follow t with a crepe at mods and beer at elite and have a night downtown.
Also, when you go in the candy store check out the white grapefruit gummies. Killer.
I am going to check it out this weekend. Spend your money locally as much as possible.
FMC and I are planning on doing as much local shopping as possible this year. One good suggestion for the foodie in your life is Mecca Coffee or Spiceology in The Farm. We went into Spiceology the other day and they've got a great selection of items. We've decided to build coffee, spice, and treat baskets for our mothers this Christmas as they are both really hard to buy for but love to spend time in the kitchen. I'm pretty anxious to see what sort of goodies we can find in the pop up shops to add to the baskets.
I can't wait to see the basket you got for me.
I love the creativity in this idea. I'm going tomorrow
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We tried to go to Great Harvest in the Farm last weekend and there was a sign they are closed. Sadness. Haven't been there in a while, and that may be the problem - a lot of people not going there in a while.
Also, the lights should be made permanent and perhaps even extended all the way down boston to 6th.
Quote from: jacobi on December 02, 2011, 04:50:51 PM
Also, the lights should be made permanent and perhaps even extended all the way down boston to 6th.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
Say it with me....Christmas lights, and again, Christmas lights. If they're up all the time it will completely kill the spirit around Christmas. They wouldn't be any kind of novelty.
Freemont Street?
I have stopped by the pop up shopping a few times - bought xmas cards at the Art Deco Musuem, some soap, and a couple other little things. Great idea. Neat local companies. Carolers singing. People coming and going... a good time was had by all.
QuoteSay it with me....Christmas lights, and again, Christmas lights. If they're up all the time it will completely kill the spirit around Christmas. They wouldn't be any kind of novelty.
I disagree. Often times lights are strung between buildings in entertainment districts.
Quote from: Conan71 on December 02, 2011, 08:07:46 PM
Went by the old May Rooms?
If you put the batteries in the Energizer bunny backwards, he keeps coming and coming......
Sorry about that but just had to pass it on.
Quote from: Conan71 on December 02, 2011, 08:07:46 PM
Went by the old May Rooms?
You know the May Rooms?? I used to know some of the girls that lived there, once upon a time. They would visit a company I worked at nearby. How about that...it's a small world!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on December 04, 2011, 10:22:58 PM
You know the May Rooms?? I used to know some of the girls that lived there, once upon a time. They would visit a company I worked at nearby. How about that...it's a small world!
I think I know of the May Rooms... but then, if I do, I'm pretty sure I learned of em from on TNF
They were on 1st street just west of Elgin, on the south side of the street. Just west of El Guapo's. Today it is a vacant lot next to the alley. Google earth shows it clearly.
1953 picture - about the middle of the page.
http://tulsatvmemories.com/mayrooms.html
Logan's Concession used to be next door. Sold commercial kitchen equipment, and also had a fountain drink setup so you could go in and get a fountain drink for a quarter - large! BEST drinks ever! They set the mix to just a little bit more concentrated, but not too much, more as an advertising thing than trying to get rich off of it. Also, had popcorn - I think it was free, if memory serves. It was fantastic to go by on a break in the afternoon and get a bag of popcorn and those unbelievable drinks!!
May Rooms was interesting, too.
I thought the May Rooms were still there? Certainly there is an upstairs art galary that calls itself the mayrooms gallery.
Hard to say from pictures, and I haven't gotten out and looked around yet. One section may still be there, but the vacant lot was a lot of it.
QuoteEverytime I hear or see his name it makes me think of the Circus coming to town. Yes i'm juvenile I know.
I think you are right.
Also, I wish that building aross the street was still there. It bothers me that we have gravel ( and grass!) lots in downtown. From what I'm told though that red brick building is full of lightbulbs, owned by some very old ladies and not for sale for any price. I assume the gravel lot next door is connected to it.
Quote from: jacobi on December 05, 2011, 11:36:56 AM
From what I'm told though that red brick building is full of lightbulbs, owned by some very old ladies and not for sale for any price.
Are they planning to corner the market with 100W incadescent bulbs?
Posted by Tulsa deco District FB:
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Quote from: Red Arrow on December 05, 2011, 11:47:22 AM
Are they planning to corner the market with 100W incadescent bulbs?
With the impending ban, they may have a chance to get filthy rich!
Quote from: rdj on December 05, 2011, 01:55:43 PM
With the impending ban, they may have a chance to get filthy rich!
That's what I was thinking. They must be economic visionaries.
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 05, 2011, 02:41:35 PM
That's what I was thinking. They must be economic visionaries.
Is someone still using those things??
And why?
I have original fixtures from the 20's in my house that would look quite goofy with a CFL or LED bulb. The new iterations are coming down in price and I may give them a shot.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on December 05, 2011, 02:49:34 PM
Is someone still using those things??
And why?
Actually, I think the biggest we use is a 60W. We have several on dimmers. Toxic waste due to mercury. Claims that stated life is over estimated unless you turn it on and leave it on. On/Off cycles reduce the life significantly is what's claimed. We have a few outdoor flood lights that we tried the florescent conversions (not CFL) that didn't fit in the fixture because the base of the bulb was too big. I haven't seen that the fire hazard has been eliminated. None of them are difficult to replace. A simple step stool is sufficient. I believe I have seen that they are orientation sensitive and must be vertical. Most of our fixtures are horizontal orientation of the bulb. I think it was on this forum that several pictures of spontaneously igniting bulbs were shown.
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 05, 2011, 03:02:48 PM
Actually, I think the biggest we use is a 60W. We have several on dimmers. Toxic waste due to mercury. Claims that stated life is over estimated unless you turn it on and leave it on. On/Off cycles reduce the life significantly is what's claimed. We have a few outdoor flood lights that we tried the florescent conversions (not CFL) that didn't fit in the fixture because the base of the bulb was too big. I haven't seen that the fire hazard has been eliminated. None of them are difficult to replace. A simple step stool is sufficient. I believe I have seen that they are orientation sensitive and must be vertical. Most of our fixtures are horizontal orientation of the bulb. I think it was on this forum that several pictures of spontaneously igniting bulbs were shown.
I have been using them exclusively since the early 2000's. Right side up and upside down. Indoors and outdoors (upside down). No fires. MUCH longer life. Have had maybe 3 that had "short" lives and I was kind of surprised they lasted less than two years. Have two outdoor bulbs now that have been going for just a little over 5 years. I have no fixtures currently that are horizontal. And no slide dimmers.
Found some '3 way' CFL bulbs about a month ago and put them into two lamps that have done without until now. Working well so far. Up to 150 watt equivalent.
There is average 4 mg mercury per CFL bulb. (Compare to old thermometer that would have about 500 mg.)
Compare that to the more than 50 metric tons of mercury we release every year in this country burning coal...well, that's another one of those cases where the worry is over the mote in one eye versus the beam in another (like some of guido's financial indignation). 275 million CFL bulbs used in 2009. If all of them released ALL their mercury into a landfill at once, it would be 0.12 metric tons - just for comparison. And that burning coal thing - well, it could have been MUCH less by now, except for the fact that George Bush fought it tooth and nail throughout his entire term.
And finally - as in, it's about time;
http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/1e5ab1124055f3b28525781f0042ed40/55615df6595fbfa3852578550050942f!OpenDocument
Mark it. It took less than two pages of thread comments to talk at length about lighting. :)
Quote from: jacobi on December 05, 2011, 04:31:02 PM
Mark it. It took less than two pages of thread comments to talk at length about lighting. :)
Seems like this kind of thread diversion is pretty much par for the course, isn't it?
Well, back to the topic - I am looking forward to the Saturday event at the Deco Museum. And the parade - by whatever name they want to call it! Hey, it's a parade!! What's not to like?
Also, the visittulsa.com site with Tulsa Events Calendar shows nothing about the museum opening. What happened there??
Quote from: rdj on December 05, 2011, 02:52:51 PM
I have original fixtures from the 20's in my house that would look quite goofy with a CFL or LED bulb. The new iterations are coming down in price and I may give them a shot.
You can get CFLs that don't look all curly and weird. Same for LED bulbs, but the ice cream cone looking LEDs don't spread the light around enough. I'm pretty pleased with the funky-looking Philips LED bulb I have, though. The 60W equivalent is finally down to a moderately reasonable price (presuming it lasts as long as is claimed, anyway). The 75W equivalent is still $40.
I suspect that when looked at closely, the manufacture of LED's will scare people enough to want to do away with them, too. Silicon processing for the devices going into a bulb would likely be at least equivalent to the "badness coefficient" of 4 mg of mercury used in CFL. Any way you look at it, lighting is not a neutral event for the planet.
So, It seems that the pop-up shopping district idea has worked (at least for now). Four of the stores that were involved have decided to keep their doors open on a month to month basis. I'm told that the deal is that Kanbar is offering them month to month to make sure that its something they want to commit to (Nice Guy!). The drawback is that he isn't going to do any build-out for them until they sign on the dotted line. In addtion to those four (Indie Emporium, Bison and Bear, Earthly Delights, and one other whose name eludes me), the candy store already signed the lease on the space next to Mod's.
You want retail downtown? boom! I realize it's not exactly a department store, but its a place to start. And who doesn't like a candy store?
Quote from: jacobi on January 24, 2012, 05:58:57 PM
You want retail downtown? boom! I realize it's not exactly a department store, but its a place to start. And who doesn't like a candy store?
People on the Atkins diet.
In all seriousness, this is the best example of organic retail growth I can imagine. Kudos to Kanbar!
People on the atkins diet aren't people. I keed, I keed.
I wish I had the money to drop on one of the really sweet handmade bowties they have at Bison and Bear.
Quote from: jacobi on January 24, 2012, 06:26:36 PM
I wish I had the money to drop on one of the really sweet handmade bowties they have at Bison and Bear.
If you actually had the money, what would you really do with it?
:D
Well I do love wearing a bowtie. But to be fair, Me having the money to buy a bowtie means I would already have enough money for beer. I can't even afford that nowadays. :(
Quote from: jacobi on January 24, 2012, 06:47:50 PM
Well I do love wearing a bowtie. But to be fair, Me having the money to buy a bowtie means I would already have enough money for beer. I can't even afford that nowadays. :(
I just wanted to see where your priorities are. :D
Bison & Bear is a great shop. I hope they make it downtown. I applaud Kanbar and whom ever orginated this idea. We need more of this type of creative, forward thinking downtown.
The neckwear designed by the guys that own Bison & Bear has been featured in national men's magazines. Pretty cool stuff.
Quote from: rdj on January 25, 2012, 09:21:06 AM
Bison & Bear is a great shop. I hope they make it downtown. I applaud Kanbar and whom ever orginated this idea. We need more of this type of creative, forward thinking downtown.
The neckwear designed by the guys that own Bison & Bear has been featured in national men's magazines. Pretty cool stuff.
Dammit, now I am going to have to go here at lunch...thanks!
Quote from: rdj on January 25, 2012, 09:21:06 AM
Bison & Bear is a great shop. I hope they make it downtown. I applaud Kanbar and whom ever orginated this idea. We need more of this type of creative, forward thinking downtown.
I think the owner of Elote's either had the idea or at least pushed it to make it happen. Kudos all around.
Now we need to support those stores to help them succeed.
Quote from: DTowner on January 26, 2012, 11:37:10 AM
I think the owner of Elote's either had the idea or at least pushed it to make it happen. Kudos all around.
Now we need to support those stores to help them succeed.
And the fledgeling Tulsa Art Deco Museum as well.
Get some puffy tacos. Finish it with a sweet crepe or some gelato. Then go to Bison and Bear get some man stuff then buy candy. The go to Delks and get a few drinks under your belt. Actually you could do these in any order. None the less, I think with these additions the Deco district has moved beyond beying a name and buildings looking for a district, to actually being a district where one could have an entire evening. One or two more destinations down there and they will be set. Now if only Schneider would get started on the Vandever building.
Quote from: jacobi on January 24, 2012, 05:58:57 PM
So, It seems that the pop-up shopping district idea has worked (at least for now). Four of the stores that were involved have decided to keep their doors open on a month to month basis. I'm told that the deal is that Kanbar is offering them month to month to make sure that its something they want to commit to (Nice Guy!). The drawback is that he isn't going to do any build-out for them until they sign on the dotted line. In addtion to those four (Indie Emporium, Bison and Bear, Earthly Delights, and one other whose name eludes me), the candy store already signed the lease on the space next to Mod's.
You want retail downtown? boom! I realize it's not exactly a department store, but its a place to start. And who doesn't like a candy store?
Very nice to hear. And what better place for a little retail district to develop than our beautiful and historic core? I hope all these endeavors succeed and other property owners in downtown take note.
I think that we are at or very soon will be at critical mass. But since from here development will require lots money permits and time we won't start seeing it's fruit for another 6 months to a year. The property owners taking note I think is already happening. Now we just have to make an effort to support things like this. I'm really excited. :)
Quote from: jacobi on January 24, 2012, 05:58:57 PM
And who doesn't like a candy store?
I know a good candy store......
http://thecandystoretoplessbar.com/?page_id=978 (http://thecandystoretoplessbar.com/?page_id=978)
Oh, wait, what? Sorry, wrong kind of candy.
Quote from: dbacks fan on January 29, 2012, 01:53:52 PM
I know a good candy store......
http://thecandystoretoplessbar.com/?page_id=978 (http://thecandystoretoplessbar.com/?page_id=978)
Oh, wait, what? Sorry, wrong kind of candy.
I know one of those girls; she used to work at Tri...uh, I mean a bar in mid-south Tulsa...
;D
I guess my TULSA TYPE OF QUESTIONS...are these small pop up shops open after 5:00pm or 7:00pm? or do they close down like 90% of the other stores in Tulsa
That TW article says they're open 11 a.m. to 6 p.m. Tuesday through Saturday.
At least they're open Saturdays. I'd go on Saturdays even if it were less convenient just because downtown so badly needs life away from the normal 9-5 M-F business hours.
QuoteI guess my TULSA TYPE OF QUESTIONS...are these small pop up shops open after 5:00pm or 7:00pm? or do they close down like 90% of the other stores in Tulsa
Two things:
I don't think they can rightly be called pop-up shops anymore. They are paying money for rent now.
I think their hours may be somewhat determined by the fact that the only way to access them is through the main philcade lobby, which has restricted hours. They will not get a build out for each store (including exterior door) until they sign a longer lease. I may well be totally wrong about that. They may also be treading lightly at first. I'm sure that these shop owners would love to be open later.
Quote from: jacobi on January 30, 2012, 09:29:22 AM
I don't think they can rightly be called pop-up shops anymore. They are paying money for rent now.
Maybe the Deco-Pop district?
I think they are calling themselves the Deco District Shops. If they wanted to be more '81st and memorial' The should call themselves The Shoppes at The Deco or The Shoppes at The Philcade.
Those in the industry refer to these type spaces as retail motels.....
QuoteThose in the industry refer to these type spaces as retail motels.....
And on the internet, we call people like you trolls.
Quote from: jacobi on January 30, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
And on the internet, we call people like you trolls.
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mean people suck
I'm assuming the philcade, like every other major downtown building, has a security guard sitting around in the lobby 24/7. So I don't think it would require some major hassle and expenditure. The guard would just have to lock the doors a little later.
QuoteI'm assuming the philcade, like every other major downtown building, has a security guard sitting around in the lobby 24/7. So I don't think it would require some major hassle and expenditure. The guard would just have to lock the doors a little later.
The guard in the philcade is a really nice guy. That is a rare quality in SO's.
A long read....so, it won't get play here but I thought you might find this interesting. Today in Paris, 15 years from now Teatown!
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2012/01/ff_ux/all/1
For the Teatown downtown tunnel age?
We're much more likely to see this:
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Have only seen the one at the north entrance that was there before Christmas. Sounds like there are more now. Will try to get by.
I would like to see some little hand-crafted shop of some sort. A little glass shop, pottery, or hand woodworking shop perhaps. If it weren't too "amusement park" style. Only problem with that is the same as the others - maybe more so - making the rent.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on February 05, 2012, 09:36:37 PM
Have only seen the one at the north entrance that was there before Christmas. Sounds like there are more now. Will try to get by.
I would like to see some little hand-crafted shop of some sort. A little glass shop, pottery, or hand woodworking shop perhaps. If it weren't too "amusement park" style. Only problem with that is the same as the others - maybe more so - making the rent.
One of the shops in the Philcade has some hand made, wood block type, prints and such. Also don't forget the Philtower and Atlas Life right across the street has some art gallery spaces. I think the Atlas has a pottery/sculpture studio and shop in it.
One of the tricky things for some of these pop-up shops is going to be simply hanging in there while things are slow this winter season. Another is that they will have to evolve to offer a wider variety of items or perhaps even different items as they get a feel for the market. Some of them are limited as to what they have. It's difficult when your just starting out like many of them are with limited funds. It's going to be tough for a lot of them to simply make rent, let alone make enough profit to reinvest in more, and a wider variety of, merchandise, and certainly not have enough extra to take anything home.
Part of what has made places like Elotes and Dwelling spaces successful is that they have used social networking, tons of promotional events, cultivated a fan base, and advertised out the wazoo in whatever way they could. At this stage in the downtown game you can't imo just open up and sit there thinking people will show up. Libby and Mary Beth have promoted themselves to success. That requires a lot more work, and these Deco District Shops people are already putting in a lot of their own money and time to give it a go, but its that extra promotional effort, over a long time, that will be a big part of the key to success.
Quote from: TheArtist on February 06, 2012, 08:07:43 AM
One of the shops in the Philcade has some hand made, wood block type, prints and such. Also don't forget the Philtower and Atlas Life right across the street has some art gallery spaces. I think the Atlas has a pottery/sculpture studio and shop in it.
One of the tricky things for some of these pop-up shops is going to be simply hanging in there while things are slow this winter season. Another is that they will have to evolve to offer a wider variety of items or perhaps even different items as they get a feel for the market. Some of them are limited as to what they have. It's difficult when your just starting out like many of them are with limited funds. It's going to be tough for a lot of them to simply make rent, let alone make enough profit to reinvest in more, and a wider variety of, merchandise, and certainly not have enough extra to take anything home.
Will go have a look asap.
Your quote at the bottom of each message is getting cut off before the end. Can you put the entire thing in a post - I want to show it to some people...
Speaking of Atlas Life,
Is it intentional that the ALE lights on the neon sign are lit brighter than the rest?