Horse slaughter ban lifted.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-ban-on-horse-slaughter-lifted-2011-11-28?reflink=MW_news_stmp
I am sure I have eaten horse.
I went to public schools after all.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 28, 2011, 02:35:55 PM
I am sure I have eaten horse.
I went to public schools after all.
The less you know about school lunch ingredients the better.
Meh, I don't want horse meat but why should I prohibit other people from having horse meat? Frankly, a dead horse is just a dead animal. Why waste it.
People food, dog food, whatever...
Sorry horse lovers.
Anyone in town gonna start selling it? Blake??
I would give it a try. Maybe grilled or barbequed. With a nice dry Cabernet...
Won't eat dog. Close family member was in Korea and tried it - tasted just like you would think it would taste. Bad.
What's the food processing company for Appleby's and many other franchises in Owasso?
Scary.
I'm not sure what the big deal is, Europeans (especially France) have been eating horsemeat for decades, if not longer. There was actually a decent export market for US horsemeat in Europe until we passed a law prohibiting it.
Don't knock it till you try it. . .slow smoked and slathered with Smokin' Razz Bold & Spicy, available at Whole Foods! ;)
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- An employee of a southeastern New Mexico slaughterhouse that is seeking federal approval to slaughter horses has posted a video online showing him fatally shooting a horse in the head, sparking outrage among animal activists and prompting death threats to the Roswell meat company.
A maintenance contractor with Valley Meat Co. is shown in the video bringing a horse out of its pen, swearing at animal activists, then killing the horse with a single gunshot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtM6vJ2T8g8
There's precedence:
A horse is livestock just like hogs, cows, and poultry
Quote from: Conan71 on March 22, 2013, 03:28:42 PM
A horse is livestock just like hogs, cows, and poultry
I don't watch those snuff films either.
Made a mistake of watching an episode of some nasty damned thing on HBO several years back about how a cat is prepared in SE Asia. Not what I want to see.
Hogs, cows and poultry are delicious but I don't care to see them getting shot in the head, forced into a shoot by a lift, dragged with rope, beaks ripped off, etc.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 22, 2013, 03:28:42 PM
There's precedence:
A horse is livestock just like hogs, cows, and poultry
Damn you, I laugh almost to the point of crying every time I see that.
Quote from: Townsend on March 22, 2013, 03:32:15 PM
I don't watch those snuff films either.
Made a mistake of watching an episode of some nasty damned thing on HBO several years back about how a cat is prepared in SE Asia. Not what I want to see.
Hogs, cows and poultry are delicious but I don't care to see them getting shot in the head, forced into a shoot by a lift, dragged with rope, beaks ripped off, etc.
I don't care to be scared into veganism either ;)
Quote from: Conan71 on March 22, 2013, 03:35:44 PM
I don't care to be scared into veganism either ;)
You'll die when you find out how your meat is already over processed. Cutting it with horse meat won't make any taste difference.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 22, 2013, 03:28:42 PM
A horse is livestock just like hogs, cows, and poultry
How did you ever survive having teenage daughters?
Quote from: Teatownclown on March 22, 2013, 04:31:58 PM
You'll die when you find out how your meat is already over processed. Cutting it with horse meat won't make any taste difference.
We don't buy processed meats other than gutted, skinned, and trimmed. We do the rest of the processing from there.
The horses will suffer no longer......
Proponents believe that those opposed to horse slaughter are just shocked to have to face slaughterhouses in general.
My opposition (as a horse owner) has more to do with the horsemeat lobby insisting that slaughter is more humane than adoption.
Quote from: patric on March 24, 2013, 11:27:01 AM
My opposition (as a horse owner) has more to do with the horsemeat lobby insisting that slaughter is more humane than adoption.
It may be more humane than what the lobby would do to their adopted horses.
Horses have rather low fat content. For a brisket, I would recommend wrapping with some butter for the last few hours. You could also use some pork caul fat to wrap the meat before cooking.
We have some friends from Italy who claim it is wonderful. Far more tender than beef despite its low fat content. From what I've heard it is also milder than beef in flavor and far better for you from a health perspective.
I'm not a big fan of riding horses, or betting on the ponies, but if an option existed to eat the loser, that would certainly make things more interesting.
I'd have to do some research, but it would seem that horses who, unlike cattle, can thrive in both domestic and untended free-range atmospheres produce more high-quality meat with less impact on the environment than cattle who require a multitude of supplements and intense care to remain healthy and productive.
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I loves me some windpipe!!!
Quote from: Conan71 on March 25, 2013, 11:24:22 AM
I loves me some windpipe!!!
No ketchup though. Ketchup on windpipe is nasty.
That is some steak. I can still see the marks where the jockey whipped it.
Get the ones at Siegi's. He uses only the best windpipe!
Also, you forgot tripe & rectum.
What an awesome name for a hotdog stand "RectumDog".
I have been told of the ingredients in hotdogs since the playground in elementary school.
Even with all of that, I have never, and will never, turn my nose up at a hotdog.
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Quote from: dbacks fan on March 25, 2013, 01:04:00 PM
Funny. Saw that movie on Encore last week. Love old Dirty Harry movies.
Poll: Oklahoma Voters Strongly Oppose Horse Slaughterhttp://soonerpoll.com/poll-oklahoma-voters-strongly-oppose-horse-slaughter/ (http://soonerpoll.com/poll-oklahoma-voters-strongly-oppose-horse-slaughter/)
QuoteA strong majority (66 percent) of Oklahoma likely voters opposes passage of proposed legislation allowing for the slaughter of horses here in Oklahoma, and of those that oppose, 88 percent strongly oppose the legislation, according to a new poll.
The Oklahoma legislature is currently considering two bills, House Bill 1999 and Senate Bill 375, which would allow for slaughter of horses here in Oklahoma for human consumption in other countries but would maintain a ban on the sale of horsemeat in the state.
A strong majority, 65.1 percent, of respondents in rural counties opposes the legislation, despite claims by the horse slaughter proponents that rural communities support it. Counties within the Tulsa MSA, 69.6 percent, and counties within the Oklahoma City MSA, 64.3 percent, also have high levels of opposition to horse slaughter.
Funny how that never seems to matter when someone can make money off of pending legislation.
Quote from: Teatownclown on March 25, 2013, 11:07:43 AM
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And yet, even with all that, we are prohibited in this country from having a great traditional Scottish dish - haggis - because it contains lights (lungs) and they aren't "suitable" for consumption....
Quote from: Townsend on March 25, 2013, 02:44:10 PM
Poll: Oklahoma Voters Strongly Oppose Horse Slaughter
http://soonerpoll.com/poll-oklahoma-voters-strongly-oppose-horse-slaughter/ (http://soonerpoll.com/poll-oklahoma-voters-strongly-oppose-horse-slaughter/)
Funny how that never seems to matter when someone can make money off of pending legislation.
So focusing people's attention on where food comes from is about the only way to distract them from the real issue.
Otherwise, we would have to face the question "Do you really think slaughter is more humane than adoption?"
Quote from: Townsend on March 25, 2013, 02:44:10 PM
Poll: Oklahoma Voters Strongly Oppose Horse Slaughter
http://soonerpoll.com/poll-oklahoma-voters-strongly-oppose-horse-slaughter/ (http://soonerpoll.com/poll-oklahoma-voters-strongly-oppose-horse-slaughter/)
Funny how that never seems to matter when someone can make money off of pending legislation.
You haven't noticed it does not matter what the majority want in Amerika anymore? This is no longer a democracy and that is not POTUS Obama's doing.
Quote from: patric on March 25, 2013, 03:30:02 PM
So focusing people's attention on where food comes from is about the only way to distract them from the real issue.
Otherwise, we would have to face the question "Do you really think slaughter is more humane than adoption?"
We're still talking about horses? Right?
Quote from: Gaspar on March 26, 2013, 10:35:37 AM
We're still talking about horses? Right?
I wasnt going to be the first one to make that connection (even though it might be interesting to see where the slaughter lobby stands).
If the bills pass, I can see the horse show promoters quietly fulfilling their contracts, then moving on to another state that isnt importing potentially infectious horses... but Tulsa's tourism loss will be some armpit factory town's gain, I guess.
Quote from: patric on March 26, 2013, 11:51:20 AM
If the bills pass, I can see the horse show promoters quietly fulfilling their contracts, then moving on to another state that isnt importing potentially infectious horses... but Tulsa's tourism loss will be some armpit factory town's gain, I guess.
Guessing Bristow:
Oklahoma horse slaughter bill author denies financial motivationQuoteSkye McNiel, R-Bristow, said she proposed House Bill 1999 to help the horse livestock economy and open up an outlet for people to dispose of their horses. Critics, however, call it a conflict of interest meant to boost finances at her grandparent's horse auction, the largest in the state.
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http://newsok.com/oklahoma-horse-slaughter-bill-author-denies-financial-motivation/article/3766611 (http://newsok.com/oklahoma-horse-slaughter-bill-author-denies-financial-motivation/article/3766611)
Quote from: Townsend on March 26, 2013, 12:00:36 PM
Guessing Bristow:
Oklahoma horse slaughter bill author denies financial motivation
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http://newsok.com/oklahoma-horse-slaughter-bill-author-denies-financial-motivation/article/3766611 (http://newsok.com/oklahoma-horse-slaughter-bill-author-denies-financial-motivation/article/3766611)
I guess this makes her a political hor
se?
Quote from: Teatownclown on March 26, 2013, 12:08:38 PM
I guess this makes her a political horse?
Or some part of a horse.
On it's way to the Governor's desk.
Really representing the majority here in Oklahoma.
Quote from: Townsend on March 27, 2013, 11:07:11 AM
On it's way to the Governor's desk.
Really representing the majority here in Oklahoma.
Since when has she been concerned about anything that would hurt Tulsa's economy?
Quote from: patric on March 25, 2013, 03:30:02 PM
"Do you really think slaughter is more humane than adoption?"
Obviously adoption would be the better option, but as PETA has learned, there is more surplus than there are people to adopt them.
In which case, might as well feed someone.
Despite PETA's anti-animal cruelty advocacy, the organization itself has killed nearly 90 percent of all the cats and dogs dropped off at its Virginia shelter in 2012.
http://rt.com/usa/peta-animals-shelter-euphanasia-621/
Quote from: TeeDub on March 27, 2013, 02:56:15 PM
Obviously adoption would be the better option, but as PETA has learned, there is more surplus than there are people to adopt them.
PETA wouldn't be my first choice for a horse rescue.
Try:
http://www.blazesequinerescue.com
http://horse.rescueme.org/Oklahoma
http://horse.rescueshelter.com/Oklahoma
http://www.horsefeathersequinerescue.org
http://waysranchhorserescue.org
and on...
Local horse rescue volunteers, Terry Way and Mendy Smallwood, have worked for years to save horses from going to slaughterhouses in Mexico and Canada.
Smallwood works with local non-profit horse rescue groups all over the country.
"If you have them and you can't feed them, or are neglecting them because you cannot afford to take care of them, find a place where they can get help; ask for help, find a place where those horses can go!"
Way and Smallwood believe the House Bill will encourage backyard breeding. They believe the slaughterhouses will only want the young and healthy horses because the meat will be exported from the U.S. to other countries for meat consumption.
"So why would slaughterhouses only want the sick and old horses?" questioned Terry Way. "They want the young and healthy because they don't need to be on medication and the meat is lean and tenderer."
"Currently, horses are being sold for cheap because people cannot afford to take care of them properly," said Smallwood. But the slaughterhouses will pay for the bigger horses. Some pay 78 cents a pound. That's a big profit for a bunch of big healthy horses."
Terry and Mendy have saved many horses from going to directly to slaughterhouses.
"If I can't take them from people who neglect them and then give up and need to send them to slaughter then I will take them to another rescue group either here or my friends in Arizona who have a rescue or to Terry's rescue to make sure these beautiful creatures are cared for. They deserve to be cared for, they don't deserve this abuse," said Smallwood.
"The answer is education," said Way. "We need to get the state officials to do their research and education the public about how to care for horses and what to do when you can no longer care for them. We need to regulate backyard breeding. If the representatives are saying this bill is the answer to over population, then that is not true. This bill will only encourage more breeding and make the problem worse."
Way also said more problems will arise from this issue like the USDA inspecting meat.
"Right now the USDA does not inspect horse meat, so that law will also have to be re-visited if this bill passes," said Way. "I wish the public would have had a say in this bill and the other horse slaughtering Senate Bill 375. It's not right that the public has not been involved."http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Bill-to-allow-horse-slaughter-houses-OK-moves-to/Aen7nMJjkUWAm8-qk6TNkA.cspx
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - A federal judge on Friday temporarily halted plans by companies in New Mexico and Iowa to start slaughtering horses next week.
U.S. District Judge Christina Armijo issued a restraining order in a lawsuit brought by The Humane Society of the United States and other groups in case that has sparked an emotional national debate about how best to deal with the tens of thousands of unwanted and abandoned horses across the country.
The move stops what would have been the resumption of horse slaughters for the first time in seven years in the U.S.
Plaintiffs' lawyer Bruce Wagman said his clients were overjoyed with the ruling and "were extremely distressed that horse slaughter was going to start up again in America."
The groups contend the Department of Agriculture failed to do the proper environmental studies before issuing permits that allowed companies in Iowa and New Mexico to open horse slaughterhouses. The companies had said they wanted to open as soon as Monday.
In Oklahoma, a bill to allow such slaughterhouses was approved by the Legislature and signed by the governor this year.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Judge_blocks_planned_horse_slaughter_at_2_plants/20130803_13_A8_ABQEQE709152