Someone's been doing some interior reno on this thing . . .there's a dumpster out to the side, I've seen a bobcat going back and forth inside, and I've seen people (people!) actually walking around the property with purpose. Anyone know anything?
I saw that too, they are taking down the decorative metal "awnings" on 15th St. Its a decent looking building but the carpet city sign is not a good fit for it.
I want that sign!! I worked on that when it was manufactured!!!
It was '68 or '69 (CRS afflicting me today) and I cut out a ton of those little carpet fringes on the flying carpet, plus a bunch of the rest of the plastic! Plus, wiped that whole thing down to prep for paint! Nice little contact buzz from the lacquer thinner!
I'm not saying the sign is bad, it's just too big/not a good fit for the building to which it's attached.
I love that sign.
Quote from: carltonplace on November 14, 2011, 12:11:52 PM
I'm not saying the sign is bad, it's just too big/not a good fit for the building to which it's attached.
It never fit that building. Was disproportionately large. But highly visible.
Weighs a ton, too! And about 11' tall.
I too noticed the interior work driving by last week. It's a neat building. I actually kind of like the gigantic sign. Gives it some historic character. Even if it is not a carpet company, I would like to see that sign preserved somehow.
Were I one of our forum's more gregarious members, I'd walk over there and ask. :P
My source tells me it will be a pain management clinic. Nearby tenants are not ecstatic about it though. IMO, any business is better than an empty commercial building.
Quote from: AquaMan on November 14, 2011, 03:37:46 PM
My source tells me it will be a pain management clinic. Nearby tenants are not ecstatic about it though.
Why would that be a problem? It would be better if it were retail, but whatever?
Quote from: nathanm on November 14, 2011, 03:39:37 PM
Why would that be a problem? It would be better if it were retail, but whatever?
Drugs.
Quote from: nathanm on November 14, 2011, 03:39:37 PM
Why would that be a problem? It would be better if it were retail, but whatever?
Nearby businesses are mostly resale or consignmnent shops, I'm sure they would want that trend to continue to help build up a district/destination for this type of retail.
Both of those comments were made. They are concerned about the security, type of customer and the attractive nuisance character of the place. They also lamented the failure to land a big retail draw.
I think they are over dramatizing. I know some people in that medical segment and they rarely have any problems. Their customers may indeed be the same people shopping for antiques, furniture etc.
When Missus Wevus and I moved here in 2007, our first thought for that stretch of 15th was to make it an antique/resale "district" of sorts, with better street parking, maybe some banners on lampposts, better sidewalks, that kind of thing. I know now how simple an idea that is and yet what a difficult maneuver something like that would be in Tulsa, both from a private development standpoint and from the standpoint of working with the city.
Long way of saying, I'd give my eye-teeth to see that excellent old building be refurbished into a nice upscale design shop, or architecture firm or top-dollar antique store or what-have-you. But I'm happy to accept a pain management clinic, if that's what will get the parking lot resurfaced and the building rehabbed.
Quote from: we vs us on November 14, 2011, 04:03:07 PM
When Missus Wevus and I moved here in 2007, our first thought for that stretch of 15th was to make it an antique/resale "district" of sorts, with better street parking, maybe some banners on lampposts, better sidewalks, that kind of thing. I know now how simple an idea that is and yet what a difficult maneuver something like that would be in Tulsa, both from a private development standpoint and from the standpoint of working with the city.
Long way of saying, I'd give my eye-teeth to see that excellent old building be refurbished into a nice upscale design shop, or architecture firm or top-dollar antique store or what-have-you. But I'm happy to accept a pain management clinic, if that's what will get the parking lot resurfaced and the building rehabbed.
If you gave away your eye teeth you would need pain management.
Quote from: AquaMan on November 14, 2011, 03:58:24 PM
Their customers may indeed be the same people shopping for antiques, furniture etc.
Makes sense. Go furniture shopping and hurt yourself trying to move it. You now know exactly where to go to get treated.
Quote from: we vs us on November 14, 2011, 04:03:07 PM
When Missus Wevus and I moved here in 2007, our first thought for that stretch of 15th was to make it an antique/resale "district" of sorts, with better street parking, maybe some banners on lampposts, better sidewalks, that kind of thing.
Kind of like Main Street in Jenks?
Quote from: we vs us on November 14, 2011, 04:03:07 PM
When Missus Wevus and I moved here in 2007, our first thought for that stretch of 15th was to make it an antique/resale "district" of sorts, with better street parking, maybe some banners on lampposts, better sidewalks, that kind of thing. I know now how simple an idea that is and yet what a difficult maneuver something like that would be in Tulsa, both from a private development standpoint and from the standpoint of working with the city.
Long way of saying, I'd give my eye-teeth to see that excellent old building be refurbished into a nice upscale design shop, or architecture firm or top-dollar antique store or what-have-you. But I'm happy to accept a pain management clinic, if that's what will get the parking lot resurfaced and the building rehabbed.
Well, it's about time that carpet store went out of business. It's been "going out of business" since I moved to Florence Park in 2002.
I have always wished that stretch of 15th could have parallel parking again. First for traffic calming, second to give those small businesses some easier parking. Some of those little buildings literally have nowhere to park. I always envisioned that carpet store being divided into a few different businesses, maybe a small restaurant on the western end, then some shops on the eastern end, but I don't have the money to do it myself, so it will just remain a dream I guess. I hope they keep the crooked carport and 1950's funky feel.
I used to work with a guy who rented an apartment above the building in college in the late 70's/early 80's.
That seems like a lot of space for a pain management clinic and it doesn't make sense why it would not be in the Utica medical corridor. Parking options are also pretty limited. How confident is your source Aqua?
Personally, I'd love to see it subdivided into several shops and a small eatery.
Associating the clinic with illegal drugs is really a mis-characterization. I've known people in pain management who aren't illicit drug users, but have had chronic conditions such as fibromyalgia. Cancer patients often have to go to pain management. However, there are pain management doctors who are "script doctors" and those are the ones who tarnish the reputation of the others. Additionally, there are no drugs kept in such a clinic.
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 14, 2011, 04:20:39 PM
Kind of like Main Street in Jenks?
Yeah a little, but also more urban. Main Street Jenks is really playing up the country kitsch IMO, and I think Tulsa could really play up the midcentury modern angle. I also think something like that would skew younger. I also think that, in a perfect world, it could also have a design firm or two, or a remodelling company, or a small architecture firm, etc. Not sure how to specifically encourage that, but in my perfect Sim City world, that's what would show up.
Quote from: Conan71 on November 15, 2011, 11:20:12 AM
That seems like a lot of space for a pain management clinic and it doesn't make sense why it would not be in the Utica medical corridor. Parking options are also pretty limited. How confident is your source Aqua?
Personally, I'd love to see it subdivided into several shops and a small eatery.
I had that thought, too, driving by it this morning. There's definitely work going on, but it doesn't seem like the facility would match what a clinic might need. At least not without a major overhaul.
I stopped in over lunch and spoke with the previous owner of the building. She said it's a couple of pain management doctors. So rumor is confirmed.
Quote from: tulsascoot on November 15, 2011, 11:32:47 AM
Associating the clinic with illegal drugs is really a mis-characterization. I've known people in pain management who aren't illicit drug users, but have had chronic conditions such as fibromyalgia. Cancer patients often have to go to pain management. However, there are pain management doctors who are "script doctors" and those are the ones who tarnish the reputation of the others. Additionally, there are no drugs kept in such a clinic.
The ironic thing is that we only really need "pain management" specialists because everybody else is too afraid of the DEA to prescribe anything more potent than Percocet.
Do they sell "smokeable pain meds?"
Even though it is confirmed, I too thought the parking lot was too small and the building too large. Maybe they are going to use some of the warehouse part of the building for indoor parking?
It may have been just too cheap to pass up. Good location should we become a medical weed state.
http://www.thepaincenter.com/about/ (http://www.thepaincenter.com/about/)
Quote from: nathanm on November 15, 2011, 03:26:36 PM
The ironic thing is that we only really need "pain management" specialists because everybody else is too afraid of the DEA to prescribe anything more potent than Percocet.
There's some truth to that, however, there really is a medical science unto itself on pain management. In addition to pain killers they also do nerve treatment and steroid therapy for chronic conditions rather than just writing out blanket annual scrips for Lortab. A good pain specialist looks for the cause, not just treating the symptoms. I've got a chronic low back condition which may end up in the need for periodic injections if stretching strength exercises and yoga doesn't cure it.
Quote from: Conan71 on November 15, 2011, 04:01:56 PM
There's some truth to that, however, there really is a medical science unto itself on pain management. In addition to pain killers they also do nerve treatment and steroid therapy for chronic conditions rather than just writing out blanket annual scrips for Lortab. A good pain specialist looks for the cause, not just treating the symptoms. I've got a chronic low back condition which may end up in the need for periodic injections if stretching strength exercises and yoga doesn't cure it.
Pounding on the spine with the bicycle appears to have aggravated my discs some. Plus the other bad stuff I did to them....
Quote from: AquaMan on November 15, 2011, 03:35:01 PM
It may have been just too cheap to pass up. Good location should we become a medical weed state.
Eh - that building has never been cheap. Early on the owner was offered like $1m for it by some antique place but turned them down and ended up asking more for it since then. I'm stunned that in this market he was given anywhere near that amount not to mention that there are much nicer buildings available for less that would suit a medical practice better.
Gonna miss the sign and the style of the building.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 15, 2011, 04:44:42 PM
Pounding on the spine with the bicycle appears to have aggravated my discs some. Plus the other bad stuff I did to them....
I think you're doing it wrong, I always thought your @$$ went in the saddle..not sure you're suppose to whack yourself in the back with the bike.
Quote from: carltonplace on November 16, 2011, 07:42:03 AM
I think you're doing it wrong, I always thought your @$$ went in the saddle..not sure you're suppose to whack yourself in the back with the bike.
I can't actually see back there without a mirror, but the people who can ( and the xrays show) that the part on the saddle appears to be closely connected to the bottom four discs that seem to cause all the commotion. Rat Bast&&rds!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 16, 2011, 02:19:28 PM
I can't actually see back there without a mirror, but the people who can ( and the xrays show) that the part on the saddle appears to be closely connected to the bottom four discs that seem to cause all the commotion. Rat Bast&&rds!
It's actually a result of tight hamstrings and improper stretching. Dead serious. That kept me off my road bike for nearly two months this summer and I wound up having to use my mountain bike for road and off-road training rides.
I hope the new owner keeps the portico. It really makes the building.
Quote from: Denizen on November 19, 2011, 08:47:36 PM
I hope the new owner keeps the portico. It really makes the building.
Looked like it was being removed when I drove by yesterday. :-\
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Quote from: AngieBrumley on December 07, 2011, 06:37:31 AM
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Hmm, barely done and you're crying 'fail'? You might want to give whomever is renovating that building a little more time.
The fail is that they removed the interesting part of the building. Sad. :(
Yeah, most definitely a FAIL.
Quote from: we vs us on December 07, 2011, 08:12:17 AM
Yeah, most definitely a FAIL.
Unless there was a structural problem I agree this is a fail.
I wish our city had burocratic gremlins to hunder people from doing this sort of thing. Instead we have burocratic gremlins that hinder multi-story, multi-purpose, no parking development. Sigh...
When is the zoning code reform supposed to be finished?
+12 on the missing portico being an awful choice. I get more votes because I have to drive by it every day.
At least the store front has windows along the sidewalk.
It looks dull now. However note the stain on the wall from where the roof attached. Without adequate drainage of that roof it could have been causing structural damage. Also it looked cool but as far as usability it was questionable.
I miss it already.
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 07, 2011, 11:25:38 AM
At least the store front has windows along the sidewalk.
I don't know for how long.
Quote from: nathanm on December 07, 2011, 12:50:02 PM
I don't know for how long.
Was just about to post the same thing
Meh, I want to be sad, but at least someone is using the space, either way it equals real people in the area at least 5 days a week. Some of said people will have money and might spend money in an area they might otherwise not be in. Granted it is sad to see the only part of the building with interest gone. I get the feeling the windows will be removed or screened in some way.
I know I always find it refreshing to walk past a blank wall. One step forward, two steps back.