Need a good one to remove/replace masonite.
Quote from: guido911 on October 28, 2011, 05:08:42 PM
Need a good one to remove/replace masonite.
I could probably help with the remove part as long as you don't mind cleaning up the mess and don't care too much about the quality of what remains. I'm no good with the replace part.
Fred Frampton....918 439 6575.....He does excelent work.....
Quote from: guido911 on October 28, 2011, 05:08:42 PM
Need a good one to remove/replace masonite.
Can you be a little more specific? What kind of substrate? I know a pretty good carpenter who does a lot of Formica type installations, but your application may not be that close...
Can you tell if it is glued on (with contact cement?) or just nailed? I have made quite a few workbench type assemblies where the masonite is used as sacrificial surface, just tacked on enough to hold. Those come off easy and new one goes on easy. Kind of depends on how it's used.
Like Red, I'm pretty good at tearing the stuff apart...'course that's the easy part. We could have a "tearing apart" party!!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on October 30, 2011, 10:54:25 PM
Like Red, I'm pretty good at tearing the stuff apart...'course that's the easy part. We could have a "tearing apart" party!!
We could have a tearing apart contest. Person leaving the biggest disaster wins.
;D
Quote from: Red Arrow on October 30, 2011, 11:04:11 PM
We could have a tearing apart contest. Person leaving the biggest disaster wins.
;D
Sounds good! How about it guido? I said on another post, I could bring some beer!! Just what everyone wants in their house - beer drinking and power tools!
That's what leads to those uniquely Oklahoma moments of "hey, y'all,...hold my beer and watch this!"
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on October 30, 2011, 10:54:25 PM
Can you be a little more specific? What kind of substrate? I know a pretty good carpenter who does a lot of Formica type installations, but your application may not be that close...
Can you tell if it is glued on (with contact cement?) or just nailed? I have made quite a few workbench type assemblies where the masonite is used as sacrificial surface, just tacked on enough to hold. Those come off easy and new one goes on easy. Kind of depends on how it's used.
Like Red, I'm pretty good at tearing the stuff apart...'course that's the easy part. We could have a "tearing apart" party!!
He would if you knew what you were talking about....Masonite is an exterior siding product....
Quote from: Breadburner on October 31, 2011, 10:18:35 AM
He would if you knew what you were talking about....Masonite is an exterior siding product....
Ahhh.... you just try soooo hard, and keep coming up sooo short...
Siding - among other things. Have you ever been into a Lowe's or Home Depot type store??
He probably is talking about siding, but that is just a part of what is masonite and he didn't specify (can you spell pegboard?). And as far as replacing it, one should NEVER replace those masonite type products with same. It is junk. Will always be junk.
I will make a guess here. He is seeing swelling, crumbling, delamination, buckling, and chunks falling out of the siding. Probably some decay in the sill at the bottom of the siding and fascia trim boards. General paint failure. Pick up one of those little pieces on the ground and rub it between your fingers and it will crumble to powder. The ends, when installed were not beveled for a little overlap, nor sealed with proper caulking and not primed/painted on all six sides to prevent uneven moisture absorption from the back surface. This is the stuff that Georgia Pacific has been pushing for decades as "house siding". It is compressed, glued toilet paper.
If it is the vertical grain sheets - looks like plywood, cut and applied to many chimneys in the area, with the corner boards for trim, the bottom edge of the board is doing the same thing, leaving a hole where squirrels and birds can enter the chimney area. And when that chimney enclosure was attached to the roof, the bottom frame was simple 2x4 nailed to the roof deck, with no extensions down into the roof joists to hold it in place. Good strong wind could easily blow it off the roof. And the trim was installed over the boards, rather than doing it right - butting it up to the trim board after the trim is installed FIRST! If not sheet masonite, then it is T-111 plywood - just about 1/2 step better than compressed toilet paper for exterior use. Nice look, but guaranteed to disintegrate in less than 10 years. And also not painted on all six sides before installation.
The absolute minimum replacement should be LP Smart Siding, or even better, Hardee board siding.
http://www.lpcorp.com/smartside/
http://www.jameshardie.com/main.shtml
Party??
I found a contractor that can take care of the job. As for siding, it looks like we are going with Hardie. No, not these two:
(http://mortystv.com/showcards/hardy_boys_myst.jpg)
edited. Or this:
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Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on October 31, 2011, 11:32:37 AM
Ahhh.... you just try soooo hard, and keep coming up sooo short...
Siding - among other things. Have you ever been into a Lowe's or Home Depot type store??
He probably is talking about siding, but that is just a part of what is masonite and he didn't specify (can you spell pegboard?). And as far as replacing it, one should NEVER replace those masonite type products with same. It is junk. Will always be junk.
I will make a guess here. He is seeing swelling, crumbling, delamination, buckling, and chunks falling out of the siding. Probably some decay in the sill at the bottom of the siding and fascia trim boards. General paint failure. Pick up one of those little pieces on the ground and rub it between your fingers and it will crumble to powder. The ends, when installed were not beveled for a little overlap, nor sealed with proper caulking and not primed/painted on all six sides to prevent uneven moisture absorption from the back surface. This is the stuff that Georgia Pacific has been pushing for decades as "house siding". It is compressed, glued toilet paper.
If it is the vertical grain sheets - looks like plywood, cut and applied to many chimneys in the area, with the corner boards for trim, the bottom edge of the board is doing the same thing, leaving a hole where squirrels and birds can enter the chimney area. And when that chimney enclosure was attached to the roof, the bottom frame was simple 2x4 nailed to the roof deck, with no extensions down into the roof joists to hold it in place. Good strong wind could easily blow it off the roof. And the trim was installed over the boards, rather than doing it right - butting it up to the trim board after the trim is installed FIRST! If not sheet masonite, then it is T-111 plywood - just about 1/2 step better than compressed toilet paper for exterior use. Nice look, but guaranteed to disintegrate in less than 10 years. And also not painted on all six sides before installation.
The absolute minimum replacement should be LP Smart Siding, or even better, Hardee board siding.
http://www.lpcorp.com/smartside/
http://www.jameshardie.com/main.shtml
Party??
Wow...You can google...Good jorb....
Quote from: Breadburner on November 01, 2011, 09:20:26 AM
Wow...You can google...Good jorb....
Yep. Have you figured it out yet? (I put those links there so you could learn something - I already know all I need about their products.)
I also use the stuff, in addition to actually learning about same.
LP Smartside is an exceptional product that I have used in several projects over the last 10 years or so. I even have some test pieces that I put out in the corner of the back yard in 2004 with partial paint. Stuck one end of one piece in the ground - this one has had some decomposition, but it has not failed yet. Properly installed and applied, it is very good.
Hardie board is the gold standard, but the places I need it, the stuff is too heavy (mobile application).