Bush Called it Wide Reciever.....
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/10/14/20111014bush-gun-probe-similar-to-fast-and-furious.html (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/10/14/20111014bush-gun-probe-similar-to-fast-and-furious.html)
Obama administration seals Brian Terry's file.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-admin-seals-records-murdered-border-patrol-agent-implicated-fast-and-furious_610783.html
It's a transparency thing.
Quote from: Gaspar on December 01, 2011, 08:59:33 AM
It's a transparency thing.
Or maybe it's a "don't give the cartels more information about our enforcement methods than we have to" thing. Just throwing that possibility out there. I can't say, as I try not to follow the sideshow. F&F is just one small part of a sideshow that could be over tomorrow or could have been over yesterday or any time in since Raygun doubled down in what by all rights should be described as the Waterloo of every President since at least Nixon.
Terrific. AG Holder reduced to crying racism.
QuoteAttorney General Eric Holder accused his growing chorus of critics of racist motivations in a Sunday interview published in the New York Times. When reached by The Daily Caller Monday morning, the Department of Justice provided no evidence to support the attorney general's claims.
Holder said some unspecified faction — what he refers to as the "more extreme segment" — is driven to criticize both him and President Barack Obama due to the color of their skin. Holder did not appear to elaborate on who he considered to make up the "more extreme segment."
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/19/justice-dept-silent-as-holder-charges-critics-with-racism/#ixzz1h0T6Uzdn
Sad to say, racism is alive and well in America. It has become popular on this website to denigrate anyone who dares suggest it. Nonetheless, those who have seen it first hand are not surprised that it occurs in government. To be fair, I have been subject to racist behavior by non whites who found my possible employment, success or mere presence objectionable.
We all deal with it but to deny it is folly.
Quote from: AquaMan on December 19, 2011, 12:46:32 PM
Sad to say, racism is alive and well in America. It has become popular on this website to denigrate anyone who dares suggest it. Nonetheless, those who have seen it first hand are not surprised that it occurs in government. To be fair, I have been subject to racist behavior by non whites who found my possible employment, success or mere presence objectionable.
We all deal with it but to deny it is folly.
Oh come on. Give me the proof that racism is even
an issue with Holder. A program under his watch resulted in a dead border agent and guns flowing into the hands of gangsters.
Quote from: AquaMan on December 19, 2011, 12:46:32 PM
Sad to say, racism is alive and well in America. It has become popular on this website to denigrate anyone who dares suggest it. Nonetheless, those who have seen it first hand are not surprised that it occurs in government. To be fair, I have been subject to racist behavior by non whites who found my possible employment, success or mere presence objectionable.
We all deal with it but to deny it is folly.
While racism is very much still alive in today's society, which I too have been a recipient of, it has been a growing problem for people to use that as an escape route when they screw up, or just have a guilty conscience. The "it's because I'm [insert race here]" line has been used way too many times, and keeps loosing validity. And what is worse is that it takes credit away from legitimate claims due to too many cries of wolf.
I have this fantastic bridge to sell you guys....
Quote from: guido911 on December 19, 2011, 12:50:46 PM
Oh come on. Give me the proof that racism is even an issue with Holder. A program under his watch resulted in a dead border agent and guns flowing into the hands of gangsters.
Right. When you give me the evidence it isn't.
Quote from: AquaMan on December 19, 2011, 01:29:09 PM
Right. When you give me the evidence it isn't.
Exhibit A
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002325043/AGENTTERRY_xlarge.jpeg)
Edited to add.
Exhibit B
QuoteWhat we still don't know -- what Attorney General Eric Holder with great determination will not say -- is who in Washington signed off on this awful idea of letting straw purchasers cart off armloads of high-powered weapons, headed to Mexico. The stated plan was to track them to the cartels, which worked out about as well as one might expect. Hundreds of guns disappeared and now are turning up at crime scenes on both sides of the border.
Holder last week had another bob-and-weave session with a congressional committee, managing to reveal as little as possible. However, he did let us know that while Justice did dump hundreds of emails in response to a subpoena, none were addressed to him or had been sent by him. And that he has a personal email account, along with his government account. And that lying isn't the same as not telling the truth, depending on one's "state of mind.
http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/12/eric-holders-co.html
Quote from: custosnox on December 19, 2011, 12:57:16 PM
While racism is very much still alive in today's society, which I too have been a recipient of, it has been a growing problem for people to use that as an escape route when they screw up, or just have a guilty conscience. The "it's because I'm [insert race here]" line has been used way too many times, and keeps loosing validity. And what is worse is that it takes credit away from legitimate claims due to too many cries of wolf.
While what you say is true, it doesn't mean there aren't bonafide, hard to prove, impossible to overcome racial injustices throughout our society. I believe there always will be. There are some like above, who don't believe it is ever true unless "proven". When you are immersed in situations where it is obvious that decisions are racially motivated its hard to pay much attention to the deny-ers.
Did I read this was a Bush initiative? Surely he was castigated as well.
Quote from: guido911 on December 19, 2011, 01:31:51 PM
Exhibit A
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002325043/AGENTTERRY_xlarge.jpeg)
Edited to add.
Exhibit B
http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/12/eric-holders-co.html
Fail. Keep trying.
Not saying he or the program were not error filled, (haven't followed it much) but he wasn't using racism as a defense for those failures but as motivation for critics. That may be true or not. You show no evidence it was not.
Quote from: AquaMan on December 19, 2011, 01:37:50 PM
Fail. Keep trying.
Not saying he or the program were not error filled, (haven't followed it much) but he wasn't using racism as a defense for those failures but as motivation for critics. That may be true or not. You show no evidence it was not.
You seriously wanting me to prove a negative? It's Holder's allegation that he is a victim of racism. Why should I prove it isn't? Should we just presume it because his noise hole spouted off?
Quote from: guido911 on December 19, 2011, 01:41:41 PM
You seriously wanting me to prove a negative? It's Holder's allegation that he is a victim of racism. Why should I prove it isn't? Should we just presume it because his noise hole spouted off?
When people are talking about personal experience, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. They would certainly know better than I.
If you were to tell me that you had been on the receiving end of bigotry because you're Italian, do you think I'd tell you to prove it? Why the love would I? What does being such a flaming a**hole get me? Absolutely nothing.
If you start talking about needing to change the law to provide further protections for Italian-Americans, that's when I want to see something beyond anecdote.
Quote from: nathanm on December 19, 2011, 01:49:29 PM
When people are talking about personal experience, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. They would certainly know better than I.
If you were to tell me that you had been on the receiving end of bigotry because you're Italian, do you think I'd tell you to prove it? Why the love would I? What does being such a flaming a**hole get me? Absolutely nothing.
If you start talking about needing to change the law to provide further protections for Italian-Americans, that's when I want to see something beyond anecdote.
That's kinda sad. Playing the race card in this instance is just a claptrap. And it's working on some in here.
Quote from: guido911 on December 19, 2011, 01:56:26 PM
That's kinda sad. Playing the race card in this instance is just a claptrap. And it's working on some in here.
Working how? You think I'd react differently if a woman said she was on the receiving end of sexist behavior or if someone with a disability said they were on the receiving end of discrimination?
Quote from: AquaMan on December 19, 2011, 01:35:48 PM
While what you say is true, it doesn't mean there aren't bonafide, hard to prove, impossible to overcome racial injustices throughout our society. I believe there always will be. There are some like above, who don't believe it is ever true unless "proven". When you are immersed in situations where it is obvious that decisions are racially motivated its hard to pay much attention to the deny-ers.
Did I read this was a Bush initiative? Surely he was castigated as well.
Yes, such situations do exist. And so many racism claims can't be proved or disproved that it really muddies the water. However, when it is used as a defense, the claim should be looked upon with a skeptical eye. But without actual evidence, one way or another, if your not personally involved, making a claim for or against is nothing more than opinion.
Quote from: AquaMan on December 19, 2011, 12:46:32 PM
Sad to say, racism is alive and well in America. It has become popular on this website to denigrate anyone who dares suggest it. Nonetheless, those who have seen it first hand are not surprised that it occurs in government. To be fair, I have been subject to racist behavior by non whites who found my possible employment, success or mere presence objectionable.
We all deal with it but to deny it is folly.
Sad to say gross incompetence is alive and well in the upper echelons of the Obama administration. It's got nothing to do with their race and everything to do with how ill-prepared these people were to lead.
Quote from: Conan71 on December 19, 2011, 03:22:32 PM
Sad to say gross incompetence is alive and well in the upper echelons of the Obama administration. It's got nothing to do with their race and everything to do with how ill-prepared these people were to lead.
Conan channeling Rep. Allen West?
QuoteWest said Holder can't logically assign race as a motivation behind the criticisms for his handling of Operation Fast and Furious. "What Fast and Furious has to do with is misleading the Congress and the American people about what you knew about this program, and if you did not know anything about this program, then who's in charge of the Department of Justice?" West said. "It has nothing to do with your race — it has everything to do with competence, with your character and with your ability to lead the Department of Justice."
West said Holder's use of race as a way to attack his critics is "the most insidious thing I ever heard."
"I grew up in the United States military and it's not about your color, it's about your competence, it's about your abilities to execute a mission," West said. "If your commanding officer turns heat on you, it's because you have failed to achieve the mission and I think what we're doing is we're looking at something that was a very horrible program — this Operation Fast and Furious."
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/19/west-holder%e2%80%99s-race-card-is-the-%e2%80%98last-card-in-the-deck%e2%80%99/#ixzz1h1OpmLrW
[
Emphasis added].
I just really dislike how now a days it seems that any time someone disagrees or criticizes someone it's now considered as "hater,hatred or racist" no one disagrees anymore.
Quote from: AquaMan on December 19, 2011, 12:46:32 PM
Sad to say, racism is alive and well in America. It has become popular on this website to denigrate anyone who dares suggest it. Nonetheless, those who have seen it first hand are not surprised that it occurs in government. To be fair, I have been subject to racist behavior by non whites who found my possible employment, success or mere presence objectionable.
We all deal with it but to deny it is folly.
Yeah, racism exists in a pretty big way, still. But Holder is not being jumped on because of that. He is being jumped on because he (and Blowbama) continued the tradition started years ago of looking the other way - at BEST - and/or actively participating in this program to deliver guns to criminals. Bush did it too. It is despicable no matter who is doing it - agents were killed with the guns the ATF supplied to the criminals.
In this case, it is part of the program those two have to put gun control back on the table in the next term. That is real. And it will happen, if we are as stupid as England and Australia were to let their governments pick away at it for years, without fighting back.
Quote from: guido911 on December 19, 2011, 01:41:41 PM
You seriously wanting me to prove a negative? It's Holder's allegation that he is a victim of racism. Why should I prove it isn't? Should we just presume it because his noise hole spouted off?
You responded to my effort gleefully sure that you had the evidence. You didn't. You actually misread his remarks and are now busy trying to deflect that as though I made some kind of mistake, not you. He did not say he was a victim of racism or that racism was the cause for the program's failure. He said a lot of the criticisms of he and Obama were racially motivated. I would not be surprised. Neither you nor I are privy to the calls, texts, tweets, letters and intelligence that he is.
He made a remark that many people know from first hand experience to be quite true. A lot of criticism of this president and probably any of his minority appointees has been racially tinged. That is just America Guido. We are not a homogeneous country like the Scandinavians of Norway, or mostly German like Germany. We are a country based on the idea that all people are created equal but are criticized based on their race, education, religion, sexual orientation and geographic location.
Of course if you really think that some redneck, Cajun, Mormon, homosexual, high school dropout really isn't being criticized because of those criteria.....
Quote from: guido911 on December 19, 2011, 04:20:14 PM
Conan channeling Rep. Allen West?
[Emphasis added].
This Allen West, who doesn't like Wasserman because she's not a lady and thinks Dems are Nazi Propagandists? Yeh, you guys would channel him.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70564.html
Quote from: AquaMan on December 19, 2011, 08:34:54 PM
This Allen West, who doesn't like Wasserman because she's not a lady and thinks Dems are Nazi Propagandists? Yeh, you guys would channel him.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70564.html
I wonder if Rep. West, a decorated war veteran in two theaters, would start crying racism over your remark. I think not. As for the poodle, here's the notorious email:
QuoteFrom: Z112 West, Allen
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 04:48 PM
To: Wasserman Schultz, Debbie
Cc: McCarthy, Kevin; Blyth, Jonathan; Pelosi, Nancy; Cantor, Eric
Subject: Unprofessional and Inappropriate Sophomoric Behavior from Wasserman-Schultz
Look, Debbie, I understand that after I departed the House floor you directed your floor speech comments directly towards me. Let me make myself perfectly clear, you want a personal fight, I am happy to oblige. You are the most vile, unprofessional ,and despicable member of the US House of Representatives. If you have something to say to me, stop being a coward and say it to my face, otherwise, shut the heck up. Focus on your own congressional district!
I am bringing your actions today to our Majority Leader and Majority Whip and from this time forward, understand that I shall defend myself forthright against your heinous characterless behavior......which dates back to the disgusting protest you ordered at my campaign hqs, October 2010 in Deerfield Beach.
You have proven repeatedly that you are not a Lady, therefore, shall not be afforded due respect from me!
Steadfast and Loyal
Congressman Allen B West (R-FL)
Hah! You chose him because he's conservative, a military veteran and HE'S BLACK! It sort of makes me laugh. You and the republicans who do these things think this makes his points more important. After all he is black. Must be an expert on racism. Last I heard he is one of 435 or so other representatives who burp up stuff all the time and then run for cover.
Quote from: AquaMan on December 19, 2011, 07:54:26 PM
You responded to my effort gleefully sure that you had the evidence. You didn't. You actually misread his remarks and are now busy trying to deflect that as though I made some kind of mistake, not you. He did not say he was a victim of racism or that racism was the cause for the program's failure. He said a lot of the criticisms of he and Obama were racially motivated. I would not be surprised. Neither you nor I are privy to the calls, texts, tweets, letters and intelligence that he is.
He made a remark that many people know from first hand experience to be quite true. A lot of criticism of this president and probably any of his minority appointees has been racially tinged. That is just America Guido. We are not a homogeneous country like the Scandinavians of Norway, or mostly German like Germany. We are a country based on the idea that all people are created equal but are criticized based on their race, education, religion, sexual orientation and geographic location.
Of course if you really think that some redneck, Cajun, Mormon, homosexual, high school dropout really isn't being criticized because of those criteria.....
I don't recall Colin Powell ever saying any criticism of him was racially-motivated.
I don't recall Condoleza Rice ever saying any criticism of her was racially-motivated.
I don't recall Alberto Gonzales ever saying any criticism of him was racially-motivated.
I don't recall Hillary Clinton or Madeline Albright ever saying any criticism of their actions were misogynistic.
And finally, President Bush was a complete idiot on many issues, but I don't recall him ever making any excuses for it.
You are complicit in excusing incompetence at our highest levels of government if you buy into any claptrap that criticism of the president or his AG has anything to do with racism. This administration offers nothing but excuses: "It's Congress' fault!" "It's the greedy corporatist's fault!" "It's the previous administration's fault!" "It's these racist a-hole Tea Partiers fault!"
Quote from: Conan71 on December 20, 2011, 08:43:50 AM
I don't recall Colin Powell ever saying any criticism of him was racially-motivated.
I don't recall Condoleza Rice ever saying any criticism of her was racially-motivated.
I don't recall Alberto Gonzales ever saying any criticism of him was racially-motivated.
I don't recall Hillary Clinton or Madeline Albright ever saying any criticism of their actions were misogynistic.
And finally, President Bush was a complete idiot on many issues, but I don't recall him ever making any excuses for it.
You are complicit in excusing incompetence at our highest levels of government if you buy into any claptrap that criticism of the president or his AG has anything to do with racism. This administration offers nothing but excuses: "It's Congress' fault!" "It's the greedy corporatist's fault!" "It's the previous administration's fault!" "It's these racist a-hole Tea Partiers fault!"
You had me up to Hillary and Bush. I believe that was a bit gratuitous. Even Powell has mentioned in post Bush interviews that America has a problem with racism. I also don't think the AG really has the cred that those others do but I do think he knows when criticism is non factually based and he isn't getting the same tweets you are.
You guys are misunderstanding my posts, maybe because you're caught up in an election cycle? America is what it is and it is racist and discriminatory. Indians, Blacks, Orientals, Muslims, Southerners, Left Coasters, Iowans, Catholics, Jews, Jehova Witnesses....we love our diversity and we also use it against each other. So is France and England for that matter. Every country whose nationalism starts to decline as its diversity increases starts to turn on itself. We are ahead of the world in this imo. We have managed to focus more on our common belief in freedom and opportunity than other countries with similar diversity. More homogeneous countries like Germany, Norway etc. have less differences in their population and its not so prevalent.
BTW, its Bush's fault. ;)
Quote from: AquaMan on December 20, 2011, 10:49:03 AM
You guys are misunderstanding my posts,
At least I feel better that it's not just me.
You must all be left brain dominant engineers. :D
Quote from: AquaMan on December 20, 2011, 10:49:03 AM
You had me up to Hillary and Bush. I believe that was a bit gratuitous. Even Powell has mentioned in post Bush interviews that America has a problem with racism. I also don't think the AG really has the cred that those others do but I do think he knows when criticism is non factually based and he isn't getting the same tweets you are.
You guys are misunderstanding my posts, maybe because you're caught up in an election cycle? America is what it is and it is racist and discriminatory. Indians, Blacks, Orientals, Muslims, Southerners, Left Coasters, Iowans, Catholics, Jews, Jehova Witnesses....we love our diversity and we also use it against each other. So is France and England for that matter. Every country whose nationalism starts to decline as its diversity increases starts to turn on itself. We are ahead of the world in this imo. We have managed to focus more on our common belief in freedom and opportunity than other countries with similar diversity. More homogeneous countries like Germany, Norway etc. have less differences in their population and its not so prevalent.
BTW, its Bush's fault. ;)
Colin Powell has commented on racism, but he never used it to excuse gross ineptitude, potential perjury, and dereliction of duty.
Sure there's still racism in America for those who
choose to focus on it.
I simply don't view America through the same racist filter, though. I see a lot of people who make issue of their race, sex, sexual preference, or ethnicity when it suits them either to gain an advantage or to use it as an excuse. We make reparations constantly for the evils of our past. People are given preferential treatment in hiring due to race, sex, or ethnicity. There are home mortgage programs advertised which grant terms to Native Americans that I could never hope to get. There are college grant and loan programs out the wazoo. There are SBA programs designed to favor minority businesses, etc. ad nauseum.
The idea that minorities in the United States are still at a disadvantage in this day and age is a crock.
Quote from: Conan71 on December 20, 2011, 11:02:07 AM
The idea that minorities in the United States are still at a disadvantage in this day and age is a crock.
A few more years and Caucasian males will be a minority and there will be government programs to help me. Well, probably not since it's good practice to discriminate against Caucasian males.
Quote from: Conan71 on December 20, 2011, 11:02:07 AM
The idea that minorities in the United States are still at a disadvantage in this day and age is a crock.
*spits coffee on keyboard*
EDIT: I mean . . . c'mon now.
Quote from: AquaMan on December 19, 2011, 09:14:34 PM
Hah! You chose him because he's conservative, a military veteran and HE'S BLACK! It sort of makes me laugh. You and the republicans who do these things think this makes his points more important. After all he is black. Must be an expert on racism. Last I heard he is one of 435 or so other representatives who burp up stuff all the time and then run for cover.
You are coming off more of an authority of African American racism that Rep. West. Pretty weak tea.
Quote from: we vs us on December 20, 2011, 11:14:35 AM
*spits coffee on keyboard*
EDIT: I mean . . . c'mon now.
For me, I cannot remember ever looking at a person and thought, "gee, he really sucks because he's black". Personally, I have a Mexican-American house keeper and an Austrian tutor for the kiddos. Race/Nationality is an absolute irrelevancy to me--and those that I know.
Quote from: guido911 on December 20, 2011, 11:28:15 AM
For me, I cannot remember ever looking at a person and thought, "gee, he really sucks because he's black". Personally, I have a Mexican-American house keeper and an Austrian tutor for the kiddos. Race/Nationality is an absolute irrelevancy to me--and those that I know.
But that is you, doesn't mean your neighbor hasn't had the thoughts.
Racism still exists in this country, though the true racism tries it's best to stay out of sight. The more visible racism, believe it or not, masquerades itself as a defense. The guy that is getting arrested for shoplifting and makes the comment "It's because I'm black", referring to the cops arresting him, sets himself apart from others with his race. When someone draws attention to themselves with their race, trying for preferential treatment, that is racism, plain and simple.
Quote from: custosnox on December 20, 2011, 11:36:39 AM
When someone draws attention to themselves with their race, trying for preferential treatment, that is racism, plain and simple.
Indeed. I almost think though that others on here have a one dimensional view that racism is mainly a problem with white people and their supposed prejudices.
Personally, I'm sort of pinkish tannish so that leaves me out of it. ;)
Oh, it wasn't about racism after all:
Quote from: guido911 on December 20, 2011, 11:54:44 AM
Oh, it wasn't about racism after all:
Well that settles it because we know the AG would never mislead us.
Quote from: Conan71 on December 20, 2011, 12:03:48 PM
Well that settles it because we know the AG would never mislead us.
There seems to be a track record of AG dishonesty over the last few admins.
Quote from: Townsend on December 20, 2011, 12:05:08 PM
There seems to be a track record of AG dishonesty over the last few admins.
Yup. Thosed damned attorneys. Can't trust 'em.
:o
Quote from: Conan71 on December 20, 2011, 11:02:07 AM
Colin Powell has commented on racism, but he never used it to excuse gross ineptitude, potential perjury, and dereliction of duty.
Sure there's still racism in America for those who choose to focus on it.
I simply don't view America through the same racist filter, though. I see a lot of people who make issue of their race, sex, sexual preference, or ethnicity when it suits them either to gain an advantage or to use it as an excuse. We make reparations constantly for the evils of our past. People are given preferential treatment in hiring due to race, sex, or ethnicity. There are home mortgage programs advertised which grant terms to Native Americans that I could never hope to get. There are college grant and loan programs out the wazoo. There are SBA programs designed to favor minority businesses, etc. ad nauseum.
The idea that minorities in the United States are still at a disadvantage in this day and age is a crock.
I'm not talking exclusively about minorities or about disadvantages. When one racial minority is discriminatory against another racial minority its still racism. And I am happy you choose not to focus on it. I don't let it rule my life but I know it exists and take it for what it is. Its still there whether you see it or not.
My current group of co-workers is an amazing amalgam of Indians, Blacks, Whites, German, Irish, ,Male, Female, Christian, Muslim and Agnostic. They all feel like they are the minority! It is about 80% Black. About 70% women. I get to sit back and watch how America works, and how petty we can be and still succeed in our mission.
Curiously, you made one of my points. All of those programs exist...because we are at heart racist and discriminatory. Its no big deal, we have adjusted a lot better than most countries.
Quote from: guido911 on December 20, 2011, 11:23:37 AM
You are coming off more of an authority of African American racism that Rep. West. Pretty weak tea.
I'm older than him. More time on the planet which gives me some experience with minorities as well. ;) What other credentials in racism does he have other than being black? Common mistake to think that his race implies he is an expert on racism. I have a co-worker who shared with me that he has spent more time in private schools and south Tulsa neighborhoods where he was the only black kid in the school, yet never experienced many problems. He is comfortable in both worlds but hears first hand about racist treatment from his cousins who grew up far north.
My high school was the first integrated school in town and we got over it better than our parents. My sons graduated a predominantly black public school and have keen insights others will never have. My military vet friends from the Viet Nam era all came back racists. Most got over it. Some didn't. Its a fact of life, some people are motivated by the differences, rather than the similarities, between themselves and others. How's my tea?
The race card has become nothing more than a pine scented air freshener for politicians. Just hangs there on the mirror in plain sight, and every now and then they point to it to remind you. I don't see this as holder necessarily "playing the race card." He's just reminding people that he has it hanging from the mirror.
Quote from: AquaMan on December 20, 2011, 12:42:49 PM
I'm not talking exclusively about minorities or about disadvantages. When one racial minority is discriminatory against another racial minority its still racism. And I am happy you choose not to focus on it. I don't let it rule my life but I know it exists and take it for what it is. Its still there whether you see it or not.
My current group of co-workers is an amazing amalgam of Indians, Blacks, Whites, German, Irish, ,Male, Female, Christian, Muslim and Agnostic. They all feel like they are the minority! It is about 80% Black. About 70% women. I get to sit back and watch how America works, and how petty we can be and still succeed in our mission.
Curiously, you made one of my points. All of those programs exist...because we are at heart racist and discriminatory. Its no big deal, we have adjusted a lot better than most countries.
My current group of co-workers are all of the human race. ;)
And yes, I do find it somewhat discriminatory that my brilliant daughter might have a harder time financing grad school because she doesn't come from a minority family.
If I had to distill what I think the main problem is, it's that every group wants to have it's own recognition based on it's differences.
My personal preference is to look for the similarities rather than focus on the differences. That's how I can consider someone i've got a lot of idealogical differences with like you, wevsus, or Recyclemichael as a friend because of the things I think we share in common. And I will do that to a fault. Apparently, I spent three and a half years in my second marriage looking for similarities which never existed. :-[
Quote from: Conan71 on December 20, 2011, 01:12:47 PM
And yes, I do find it somewhat discriminatory that my brilliant daughter might have a harder time financing grad school because she doesn't come from a minority family.
Key phrase for her; 'research assistantship'
Or teaching assistantship.
Tuition, books, fees, and a stipend.
Quote from: Hoss on December 20, 2011, 12:23:30 PM
Yup. Thosed damned attorneys. Can't trust 'em.
:o
Damned right. Wait, what?
Quote from: guido911 on December 20, 2011, 01:57:38 PM
Damned right. Wait, what?
You know what is brown and black and looks smashing on an attorney, don't you?
Quote from: Conan71 on December 20, 2011, 02:02:06 PM
You know what is brown and black and looks smashing on an attorney, don't you?
Let er rip... (hope it's not racist given the colors involved).
Quote from: guido911 on December 20, 2011, 02:05:35 PM
Let er rip... (hope it's not racist given the colors involved).
Oh, come on...you can't be that young!
Quote from: guido911 on December 20, 2011, 02:05:35 PM
Let er rip... (hope it's not racist given the colors involved).
A Rottweiler
Why don't sharks bite lawyers?
Absolutely.
Merry Christmas to all my buddies at the TN! I'm off for a couple of weeks (some say its been a couple of years) and I intend to drink, eat, work on the house and generally embarrass the neighborhood.
Quote from: AquaMan on December 20, 2011, 06:41:41 PM
Absolutely.
Merry Christmas to all my buddies at the TN! I'm off for a couple of weeks (some say its been a couple of years) and I intend to drink, eat, work on the house and generally embarrass the neighborhood.
Merry Christmas!!! To everyone!!
Also, Merry to which ever other holiday anyone celebrates around this time of year, too!!
QuoteSince 2005, on-duty Border Patrol agents and Customs and Border Protection officers have killed at least 42 people, including at least 13 Americans. In none of the 42 deaths is any agent or officer publicly known to have faced consequences — not from the Border Patrol, not from Customs and Border Protection or Homeland Security, not from the Department of Justice, and not, ultimately, from criminal or civil courts.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20131212arizona-border-patrol-deadly-force-investigation.html