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TulsaNow forum will not let my soccer-puppet TulsaRufnex post a poll, so here goes.... vote early and often....  ;D

What do you think will happen next?... compared to what you think should happen next?

Mega Church Boxing....

Quote from: zstyles on September 23, 2011, 11:37:40 AM
Mega Church Boxing....

"Two men enter...only one leaves.  And then he's resurrected."

San Antonio Shock?

I would like to see another arena football league. Either the IFL, PIFL, or the UIFL. Play the games in the Convention Center.

After watching the Drillers many times this season, I'm not sure how anyone can say they want Tulsa to become Triple-A in baseball.

Wilin Rosario played for Tulsa all this year then went up to Colorado. The two pitchers in the Ubaldo deal, Alex White and Drew Pomeranz, also played for Tulsa then went straight to Colorado.

The Minor League POY, Mike Trout, played in the Texas League and skipped Triple-A.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=6748299

Unless you want to see the next Stubby Clapp or other borderline MLB guys, there's no reason to want Triple-A. Top prospects, rising star types, spend more time in Double-A than Triple-A.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stubby_Clapp

...and you'd also have to include the reduction of travel costs for the Drillers in 2011 compared to AAA road games and even compared to Texas League travel costs in previous decades... if memory serves (and it probably doesn't), the old double-A Texas League Tulsa Oilers used to travel to Jackson (MS), El Paso, Shreveport, Wichita, etc..... these days, we're in a division with Springfield, Springdale, and Little Rock...  and four other teams in Texas... cha-ching!

...I thought a major business emphasis for the arena football team was on corporate suites at the BOk versus the lack of such revenue streams at the Convention Center....

...my efforts last year to help bring the North American Soccer League (one level below MLS) to Tulsa were screwed for several reasons (three key reasons listed below)...

1.  A certain county commissioner vowed to me that a pro soccer team would NEVER get the kind of financial deal/lease the Drillers got at the Fairgrounds.
2.  A certain county commissioner also insisted to me that any proposed pro soccer team using the old stadium at the Fairgrounds be forced to use county provided concessions services and that the county would get 100% of those concessions revenues.
3.  Cameron-Box Sports, after showing some initial interest in the idea, declined to endorse it due to a "lack of revenue streams."

Of course, the NASL would like to be here, but only under the right conditions.... and they have trademark rights....

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...08:lqvgpk.2.19

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Women's lingerie roller derby?   

Quote from: GG on September 23, 2011, 07:17:40 PM
Women's lingerie roller derby?   

You , my friend, are a dreamer.

Quote from: GG on September 23, 2011, 07:17:40 PM
Women's lingerie roller derby?   

I'll get season tickets.

Quote from: les_stockton on September 28, 2011, 03:03:28 PM
I'll get season tickets.

Hell with that; I want floor access.

Quote from: GG on September 23, 2011, 07:17:40 PM
Women's lingerie roller derby?   

I'll be a referee.

Maybe  I'll be a trainer.

Garment Specialist

The BOK Center can make up the financial hit from the Tulsa Talons arena football team's defecting to San Antonio by adding a couple of concerts to its calendar, venue officials say.

"For us, the team represented eight regular season games per year," BOK Center General Manager John Bolton said. "Its financial impact was $175,000 to $200,000" annually.

As an arena tenant, the Talons paid deeply discounted rent, Bolton said.

Although the Talons generated about $25,000 in revenue - from rent and facility charges - per game for the BOK Center, he said, a single concert brings in between $80,000 and $150,000.

"It's unfortunate the team left, because it certainly helped our bottom line," Bolton said. "But it also opens up eight Saturday nights that we can potentially fill with other events."

BOK Center officials are hoping that 2012 will be a better year for concert tours so they will have plenty of product to book.

The arena, which hosts 165 events per year, has consistently posted an annual operating profit since it held its first ticketed event in September 2008.

Last fiscal year it was $1.6 million in the black, with $8.3 million in revenue offsetting $6.7 million in expenses.

The BOK Center still has two tenants, the Tulsa Oilers hockey team and the Tulsa Shock basketball team.

The loss of the Talons will have little impact on the more than $2 million in sales taxes generated at the venue annually because the tax is not collected on ticket sales for such sporting events, only concessions, Bolton said.

Also, holders of the arena's 680 club seats, which have received tickets to Oilers and Talons games, will instead get tickets to eight Shock games to replace the Talons events, he said.

But Bolton predicts that the BOK Center isn't done with arena football.

"I believe there will be another team in the building at some point in the future," he said. "We own the turf and the equipment, so we are ready to go."

There are different leagues, Bolton said, and teams are routinely relocating.

"The Talons were the most successful franchise in af2 history," he said. "We really need to get back to a situation where we have strong rivalries with teams in Oklahoma City and Wichita. That gets fans excited. And right now, there's not an arena football team in either city."

The Oklahoma City Yard Dawgz folded in 2009.

The Tulsa Talons began in 2000 as a charter member of the now-defunct af2 league and went on to win two championships. It joined a reconstituted Arena Football League in 2010.

Just last week, the Talons' move to San Antonio was confirmed, in part, because of its slow ticket sales.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=350&articleid=20110930_11_A11_CUTLIN402245

Quote from: les_stockton on September 29, 2011, 06:52:40 AM
Maybe  I'll be a trainer.

I'll be a participant. Oh wait, wrong forum. ;D

Quote from: bmuscotty on September 30, 2011, 01:27:39 PM
Just last week, the Talons' move to San Antonio was confirmed, in part, because of its slow ticket sales.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=350&articleid=20110930_11_A11_CUTLIN402245

I wish them continued failure in San Antonio.

So, I wonder if Tulsa could support a team in the IFL? http://www.goifl.com/teams/iflteams/ (http://www.goifl.com/teams/iflteams/)
I know that Wichita has a team, but am not familiar with how well it's doing.  If doing well, we should be able to support a team too.

Arena football seems to be present in most cities. Seems like a no-brainer that we'd get some lower-level indoor football team to replace the Talons.

Some of those leagues are quite the fly-by-night operations. Hopefully we get something reputable. Not the kind that randomly cancels games or fails to pay its players on payday.

Well, OKC had a team, but it's defunct already.

We don't need more minor league sports.  Either get a NHL hockey team (not happening anytime soon) or just better support TU. 

TU doesn't have arena football.

Quote from: SXSW on October 10, 2011, 08:36:24 PM
We don't need more minor league sports.  Either get a NHL hockey team (not happening anytime soon) or just better support TU. 

Disagree.  No NHL hockey soon, but would like to see CHL move to AHL.  Bring in the Wichita club as well, and we'd have a natural triangle rivalry.

It would be awesome to have 3 AHL teams so close.