1:30 this afternoon. I was number #11.
The bluehairs verifying ID's were looking at yearbooks to pass the time.
Why'd they not wait to combine this with something else?
I made it in at about 6:30 pm and I was number 4. Almost didn't get to vote though because my Drivers License expired last week
What exactly was the election? This was poorly promoted.
http://www.batesline.com/archives/2011/08/special-tulsa-election-today-new.html
Aside from knowing this was a renewal of the ONG franchise, that article was a total waste of MB's time, IMO. Go toss a ball with your kids Michael. Sometimes it's more important to have some family time than to prove you are the resident Tulsa know-it-all.
QuoteIn the early part of 2010, a SNAFU involving ONG's transition to a new online bill pay system nearly got our gas cut off. Although I had had automatic bill pay in place via choicepay.com for several years, suddenly nothing was getting paid. ONG would run a computer tape once a month of what everyone owed, and send it to choicepay. Apparently the tape was being run after my previous bill was paid but before ONG charged the next month's bill to my account. At that moment in time, I had a zero balance, so the automated payment plan took $0 out of my account, which meant my bill wasn't getting paid.
I assumed choicepay's system was broken, and when I went to ONG's website, I found that ONG had a new auto bill pay system, hosted on their own website, so I signed up for it, again assuming choicepay had been discontinued. The next month, I was double-billed -- choicepay's system started working again, and ONG's auto pay kicked in. Highest gas bill of the year, and they hit my checking account twice. It took another two months to straighten everything out between choicepay and ONG.
I'd like to tell you that ONG was helpful and efficient in solving the problem, but in fact they were clueless and slow. I went through six months of lengthy phone calls to both companies and several erroneous cutoff notices, all because I assumed automatic bill pay would automatically pay my bill.
I like this part, does he not pay attention to what is going on with his bill pay site? That's why I have either used my banks bill pay or paid directly to the service. Tried a third party system for about three months and realised it doesen't work right.
Quote from: dbacks fan on August 10, 2011, 01:06:37 AM
I like this part, does he not pay attention to what is going on with his bill pay site? That's why I have either used my banks bill pay or paid directly to the service. Tried a third party system for about three months and realised it doesen't work right.
I know everyone complains and moans about 'Skank' of America, but their billpay system is, simply put, awesome. I've not once had an issue in the two years I've been back, plus the four years prior that I used them. I know BOK had billpay, but it seemed incredibly kludgy. Having e-bill initiated payments and having the bank inform you when the payment is processing via email is something I hated giving up when I switched to BOk. I didn't necessarily like switching back, but BoA's billpay and account management website (and the Android/iPhone app) are simply awesome. Sorry to use that adjective twice in a post.
Quote from: Hoss on August 10, 2011, 02:04:22 AM
I know everyone complains and moans about 'Skank' of America, but their billpay system is, simply put, awesome. I've not once had an issue in the two years I've been back, plus the four years prior that I used them. I know BOK had billpay, but it seemed incredibly kludgy. Having e-bill initiated payments and having the bank inform you when the payment is processing via email is something I hated giving up when I switched to BOk. I didn't necessarily like switching back, but BoA's billpay and account management website (and the Android/iPhone app) are simply awesome. Sorry to use that adjective twice in a post.
Just try to close an account. All of a sudden no one can help you and there are several forms that need to be signed and mailed and you have to go to another branch where they have an account closing specialist who will want to discuss your reasons for closing your account and then offer to give you all kinds of free perks and happy endings to keep your account open. Took me a week to close a business account.
Quote from: Gaspar on August 10, 2011, 06:57:11 AM
Just try to close an account. All of a sudden no one can help you and there are several forms that need to be signed and mailed and you have to go to another branch where they have an account closing specialist who will want to discuss your reasons for closing your account and then offer to give you all kinds of free perks and happy endings to keep your account open. Took me a week to close a business account.
I didn't have that problem the first time. And business accounts are always harder to close. Personal accounts, not so much.
Quote from: Gaspar on August 10, 2011, 06:57:11 AM
happy endings
:o
(http://www.renabranstengallery.com/Images/JPEGs/Louie_MasseuseHK.jpg)
I use IBC. I do all my bill pay through them manually and do my car payment and cash dumps on credit cards direct with the lender. I don't like putting anything on auto-pilot, but I do enjoy not writing many checks anymore.
Quote from: custosnox on August 09, 2011, 06:55:56 PM
I made it in at about 6:30 pm and I was number 4. Almost didn't get to vote though because my Drivers License expired last week
Why did you need your DL?
Quote from: carltonplace on August 16, 2011, 11:37:26 AM
Why did you need your DL?
They are checking ID's to vote.
Quote from: custosnox on August 09, 2011, 06:55:56 PM
I made it in at about 6:30 pm and I was number 4. Almost didn't get to vote though because my Drivers License expired last week
Expired DL should mean your driving privilege expired, not that you suddenly dont become the person on your DL.
Your driving status shouldnt affect the accuracy of a DL as ID.
Quote from: patric on August 16, 2011, 12:50:51 PM
Expired DL should mean your driving privilege expired, not that you suddenly dont become the person on your DL.
Your driving status shouldnt affect the accuracy of a DL as ID.
You would think. They really got confused when I handed them my CCW, which is a state issued ID as well.
Just went back and checked, and the law requires that the expiration date be after the date of the vote.
Quote from: custosnox on August 16, 2011, 01:00:52 PM
Just went back and checked, and the law requires that the expiration date be after the date of the vote.
Which law? ...and would that mean you cant be in a bar if your DL is expired? I know places like Wallgreens dont accept expired DL as ID, and will withhold prescriptions until you get renewed.
Not logical, and possibly even negligent if someone needs their medication immediately.
Quote from: patric on August 16, 2011, 01:18:16 PM
Which law? ...and would that mean you cant be in a bar if your DL is expired? I know places like Wallgreens dont accept expired DL as ID, and will withhold prescriptions until you get renewed.
Not logical, and possibly even negligent if someone needs their medication immediately.
I've never had a Walgreen's ask for my ID, just my insurance card.
Quote from: custosnox on August 16, 2011, 01:00:52 PM
Just went back and checked, and the law requires that the expiration date be after the date of the vote.
Is this one of the laws that we just enacted in the Sharia batch when we chose our current guberness?
Quote from: Gaspar on August 16, 2011, 02:00:43 PM
I've never had a Walgreen's ask for my ID, just my insurance card.
You're not getting the right drugs then.
I showed my ID yesterday to fill a prescribed med.
I had to show ID a couple of weeks ago to get pain meds for my dog. The DEA is pretty serious about the ID thing for scheduled drugs.
My dog has glaucoma. I wonder. . .
Quote from: Gaspar on August 17, 2011, 04:46:54 PM
My dog has glaucoma. I wonder. . .
I think you have to show it for some allergy meds as well.
Quote from: patric on August 16, 2011, 01:18:16 PM
Which law? ...and would that mean you cant be in a bar if your DL is expired? I know places like Wallgreens dont accept expired DL as ID, and will withhold prescriptions until you get renewed.
Not logical, and possibly even negligent if someone needs their medication immediately.
State question 746 that was voted in last November states the documents acceptable for proofing identity for voting must meat the following.
-the name of the person to whom it was issued
-a photograph of the person to whom it was issued
-an expiration date that is after the date of the election
As far as the prescriptions, I wonder what happens if they deny giving you your meds if you demand to have the script back so you can take it somewhere else.
Quote from: custosnox on August 18, 2011, 10:15:49 AM
State question 746 that was voted in last November states the documents acceptable for proofing identity for voting must meat the following.
-the name of the person to whom it was issued
-a photograph of the person to whom it was issued
-an expiration date that is after the date of the election
As far as the prescriptions, I wonder what happens if they deny giving you your meds if you demand to have the script back so you can take it somewhere else.
Why would anyone go to a pharmacy or anywhere else without identification?
Who are these people who walk around with out ID of any kind?
I mean, I can understand if you lost your DL or had your wallet stolen, but is it that hard to carry some acceptable form of ID?
Quote from: Gaspar on August 18, 2011, 10:25:32 AM
Why would anyone go to a pharmacy or anywhere else without identification?
Who are these people who walk around with out ID of any kind?
I mean, I can understand if you lost your DL or had your wallet stolen, but is it that hard to carry some acceptable form of ID?
I was referring to them refusing to give you your meds because your DL is expired.
Quote from: custosnox on August 18, 2011, 10:47:39 AM
I was referring to them refusing to give you your meds because your DL is expired.
At least they don't call the police because you are driving illegally, off your medication.
Quote from: Gaspar on August 18, 2011, 10:25:32 AM
Who are these people who walk around with out ID of any kind?
Free.
Quote from: Gaspar on August 18, 2011, 10:25:32 AM
Why would anyone go to a pharmacy or anywhere else without identification?
Who are these people who walk around with out ID of any kind?
I mean, I can understand if you lost your DL or had your wallet stolen, but is it that hard to carry some acceptable form of ID?
Why are people such obsequious bootlickers that they feel the need to constantly carry ID so they can prove their identity to some functionary? We had a big philisophical problem with the Soviets' "papers please" mentality, yet here we are implementing the same in our own country and calling it freedom.
At least we're not Nevada, where it is now a crime to not produce a government-issued ID when asked for it by a LEO.
Quote from: nathanm on August 18, 2011, 12:07:25 PM
Why are people such obsequious bootlickers that they feel the need to constantly carry ID so they can prove their identity to some functionary? We had a big philisophical problem with the Soviets' "papers please" mentality, yet here we are implementing the same in our own country and calling it freedom.
At least we're not Nevada, where it is now a crime to not produce a government-issued ID when asked for it by a LEO.
I always think "Papers please" in a German accent.
Quote from: Gaspar on August 18, 2011, 10:49:58 AM
At least they don't call the police because you are driving illegally, off your medication.
And how do they know you didn't get a ride from a friend? Take the bus?
You're assuming. That's not surprising though.
Quote from: nathanm on August 18, 2011, 12:07:25 PM
Why are people such obsequious bootlickers that they feel the need to constantly carry ID so they can prove their identity to some functionary? We had a big philisophical problem with the Soviets' "papers please" mentality, yet here we are implementing the same in our own country and calling it freedom.
At least we're not Nevada, where it is now a crime to not produce a government-issued ID when asked for it by a LEO.
So are you a boot licker or do you frequently leave the house without identification?
Quote from: Conan71 on August 18, 2011, 01:20:13 PM
So are you a boot licker or do you frequently leave the house without identification?
Only when I'm walking or biking. And I never beat my wife.
Quote from: Townsend on August 18, 2011, 12:19:27 PM
I always think "Papers please" in a German accent.
(http://huumor.e-laegas.com/motivaatorid/motivaatorid/Motivaatorid%20004/633760314119669410-adrugfreeamerica.jpg)
So if I go to the pharmacy and tell them I am Teatown, I should be able to pick up Teatown's methadone?
I'm trying to figure out what people are defending here.
What if I show up at a daycare and wish to pick up a child (not mine, but perhaps I need an extra one), should I have to show ID?
How about if I wish to cast my vote in an election, or cast a vote or two for some friends. Should I have to present ID?
I mean, I'm a Libertarian and actually abhor the idea that so many functions of government require me to present identification, and give up certain liberties, but I am also a realist and understand that society requires me to carry positive identification for my own protection, and the protection of others.
I see extending that to the voting booth as a protection of my rights, rather than an infringement.
Besides, <I'm going to say it again>, this tiny group of people who do not carry any form of identification may indeed be inconvenienced. This inconvenience is for the protection of the vast majority of people who do.
Quote from: Gaspar on August 18, 2011, 03:20:08 PM
So if I go to the pharmacy and tell them I am Teatown, I should be able to pick up Teatown's methadone?
I'm trying to figure out what people are defending here.
What if I show up at a daycare and wish to pick up a child (not mine, but perhaps I need an extra one), should I have to show ID?
How about if I wish to cast my vote in an election, or cast a vote or two for some friends. Should I have to present ID?
I mean, I'm a Libertarian and actually abhor the idea that so many functions of government require me to present identification, and give up certain liberties, but I am also a realist and understand that society requires me to carry positive identification for my own protection, and the protection of others.
I see extending that to the voting booth as a protection of my rights, rather than an infringement.
Besides, <I'm going to say it again>, this tiny group of people who do not carry any form of identification may indeed be inconvenienced. This inconvenience is for the protection of the vast majority of people who do.
Who are you talking about?
Quote from: Gaspar on August 18, 2011, 03:20:08 PM
I'm trying to figure out what people are defending here.
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=17970.msg208556#msg208556
Quote from: Gaspar on August 18, 2011, 03:20:08 PM
So if I go to the pharmacy and tell them I am Teatown, I should be able to pick up Teatown's methadone?
I'm trying to figure out what people are defending here.
What if I show up at a daycare and wish to pick up a child (not mine, but perhaps I need an extra one), should I have to show ID?
How about if I wish to cast my vote in an election, or cast a vote or two for some friends. Should I have to present ID?
I mean, I'm a Libertarian and actually abhor the idea that so many functions of government require me to present identification, and give up certain liberties, but I am also a realist and understand that society requires me to carry positive identification for my own protection, and the protection of others.
I see extending that to the voting booth as a protection of my rights, rather than an infringement.
Besides, <I'm going to say it again>, this tiny group of people who do not carry any form of identification may indeed be inconvenienced. This inconvenience is for the protection of the vast majority of people who do.
So you have never forgot to go get your drivers license renewed? You stop being Gasper the second it expires?
Quote from: godboko71 on August 18, 2011, 03:59:32 PM
So you have never forgot to go get your drivers license renewed? You stop being Gasper the second it expires?
Now THERE'S some wishful thinking!
j/k.
..wait, what?
Quote from: godboko71 on August 18, 2011, 03:59:32 PM
So you have never forgot to go get your drivers license renewed? You stop being Gasper the second it expires?
You mean like if Michael J Fox goes back in time and C-blocks Crispin Glover?
Would his hand start to fade first?
Quote from: Townsend on August 18, 2011, 04:22:26 PM
You mean like if Michael J Fox goes back in time and C-blocks Crispin Glover?
Would his hand start to fade first?
I don't care who you are, that's some funny stuff right there....
Quote from: Townsend on August 18, 2011, 12:19:27 PM
I always think "Papers please" in a German accent.
Ihre Papiere bitte.
(my German is pretty rusty)
Quote from: Gaspar on August 18, 2011, 03:20:08 PM
So if I go to the pharmacy and tell them I am Teatown, I should be able to pick up Teatown's methadone?
I'm trying to figure out what people are defending here.
What if I show up at a daycare and wish to pick up a child (not mine, but perhaps I need an extra one), should I have to show ID?
How about if I wish to cast my vote in an election, or cast a vote or two for some friends. Should I have to present ID?
I mean, I'm a Libertarian and actually abhor the idea that so many functions of government require me to present identification, and give up certain liberties, but I am also a realist and understand that society requires me to carry positive identification for my own protection, and the protection of others.
I see extending that to the voting booth as a protection of my rights, rather than an infringement.
Besides, <I'm going to say it again>, this tiny group of people who do not carry any form of identification may indeed be inconvenienced. This inconvenience is for the protection of the vast majority of people who do.
The biggest problem I have with this means you have to pay to vote, unless the government is willing to give out free IDs. Not everyone drives, and therefore not everyone has a drivers license. Or, in my case, I can't afford to get my license renewed right now (and avoid driving when I can). While I don't have a problem with requiring people to have to prove who they are in certain situations (they better check ID when someone goes to withdraw money from my bank account... if I had any in there), but at the same time what I think most are worried about is things getting to the point where they can charge you with a crime for not having one.
Quote from: custosnox on August 19, 2011, 12:41:35 AM
The biggest problem I have with this means you have to pay to vote, unless the government is willing to give out free IDs. Not everyone drives, and therefore not everyone has a drivers license. Or, in my case, I can't afford to get my license renewed right now (and avoid driving when I can). While I don't have a problem with requiring people to have to prove who they are in certain situations (they better check ID when someone goes to withdraw money from my bank account... if I had any in there), but at the same time what I think most are worried about is things getting to the point where they can charge you with a crime for not having one.
The government does issue a free ID for voters: your voter registration card.
Quote from: Gaspar on August 18, 2011, 03:20:08 PM
Besides, <I'm going to say it again>, this tiny group of people who do not carry any form of identification may indeed be inconvenienced. This inconvenience is for the protection of the vast majority of people who do.
How very not-libertarian of you.
Conan, I thought you had to show photo ID now? The previous regime was that you had to show photo ID either when you first register or the first time you vote, but afterwards, a signature will do.
Quote from: nathanm on August 19, 2011, 08:43:07 AM
How very not-libertarian of you.
Conan, I thought you had to show photo ID now? The previous regime was that you had to show photo ID either when you first register or the first time you vote, but afterwards, a signature will do.
The law requires a photo ID, and does not include the voter registration card.
Quote from: custosnox on August 19, 2011, 02:36:38 PM
The law requires a photo ID, and does not include the voter registration card.
The sign on the door did say "Photo ID or voter card".
I carry both in case someone in authority in a long leather coat and monocle demand to see them.
I hate that we have to show a picture, but state law prohibits putting pictures of the candidates in the voting booth or ballot.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 22, 2011, 12:19:18 PM
I hate that we have to show a picture, but state law prohibits putting pictures of the candidates in the voting booth or ballot.
Probably don't want us making decisions based on eye color.
I am just good at looking at pictures and making decisions. That is why I go to McDonalds and Denny's so often.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 22, 2011, 12:24:52 PM
I am just good at looking at pictures and making decisions. That is why I go to McDonalds and Denny's so often.
Just like in politics...you never really get what you think you're gonna get from the pics.
Quote from: Townsend on August 22, 2011, 12:26:08 PM
Just like in politics...you never really get what you think you're gonna get from the pics.
Unless...
(http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/michele-bachmann-newsweek-cover-crop.jpg)
Oh, right.
The Clown brought up the fairness doctrine earlier, so in all fairness:
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/11/03/420x316-alg_nancy_pelosi_speaks.jpg)
Holy crap! I just realized she goes to the same plastic surgeon Michael Jackson did.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 22, 2011, 02:37:07 PM
Holy crap! I just realized she goes to the same plastic surgeon Michael Jackson did.
Too tan.
Quote from: Townsend on August 22, 2011, 10:55:03 AM
The sign on the door did say "Photo ID or voter card".
I carry both in case someone in authority in a long leather coat and monocle demand to see them.
I think the one at mine just said ID, but didn't pay that much attention. I'm just going by what the law says. I didn't even think of showing my card, which I carry on me.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 22, 2011, 02:37:07 PM
The Clown brought up the fairness doctrine earlier, so in all fairness:
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/11/03/420x316-alg_nancy_pelosi_speaks.jpg)
Holy crap! I just realized she goes to the same plastic surgeon Michael Jackson did.
She looks more like Hubert Farnsworth in drag
Quote from: Conan71 on August 22, 2011, 02:37:07 PM
The Clown brought up the fairness doctrine earlier, so in all fairness:
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/11/03/420x316-alg_nancy_pelosi_speaks.jpg)
Holy crap! I just realized she goes to the same plastic surgeon Michael Jackson did.
My bookstore used to have that doll.