"That apparently is an understatement, judging from telephone calls and emails The Oklahoman has received recently from inmates, their families and friends. Complaints have come both from within the state prison system and the federal prison at El Reno.
"They expect us to go out and work like men in construction, plumbing, landscape and various other trades and then want us to come 'home' to the extreme heat and misery because we have no A/C. No one can sleep in these conditions," an El Reno federal inmate said in an email. "I know if an individual in the free world were to have his animals in these conditions he would face 'cruelty to animals' charges in a heartbeat."
Read more: http://newsok.com/lack-of-cool-air-leaves-oklahoma-inmates-miserable/article/3587356#ixzz1Sl5sdaUe
Serious? Don't be a criminal D-bag and you don't have to worry about such things.
I'm mildly surprised we don't have A/C in our prisons. It ain't called hot blood for nothing.
Quote from: nathanm on July 21, 2011, 12:00:20 PM
I'm mildly surprised we don't have A/C in our prisons. It ain't called hot blood for nothing.
Well you know, under the circumstances:
Heat blamed in as many as 12 Oklahoma deaths
Read more: http://newsok.com/heat-blamed-in-as-many-as-12-oklahoma-deaths/article/3587372#ixzz1SlMAIMcJ
What a bunch of whiners they are. If they wanna be so "tough" and "gansta" and all that, then they should emulate the Taliban and live in the desert without A/C. No sympathy!
Send them out here and we will put them in tent city at Sheriff Joe's place. I realize the difference between county and state lock ups, but you really don't hear that kind of whining from the inmates in tent city. No sympathy from me. Do the crime you lose a lot of rights and privilages in jail.
I am curious how do you feel about all the animals who must suffer in pens without hope for adoption in this heat. My guess is you'd have more compassion for pets than these "criminals."
How many private prisons accommodate those that have victimized others with cool?
And I'd also surmise from these comments that you are against rehabilitating these "prisoners" before they are back in your neighborhoods.
Quote from: Teatownclown on July 21, 2011, 02:09:23 PM
I am curious how do you feel about all the animals who must suffer in pens without hope for adoption in this heat. My guess is you'd have more compassion for pets than these "criminals."
How many private prisons accommodate those that have victimized others with cool?
And I'd also surmise from these comments that you are against rehabilitating these "prisoners" before they are back in your neighborhoods.
You live a hard life, you're going to do hard time. Prison life isn't supposed to be easy, it's supposed to be hard to help create a deterrent effect. Not that it works, but you get the drift.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 21, 2011, 02:59:14 PM
You live a hard life, you're going to do hard time. Prison life isn't supposed to be easy, it's supposed to be hard to help create a deterrent effect. Not that it works, but you get the drift.
That doesn't mean it's the brightest thing in the world to make them live in conditions that cause people to be more prone to being..short.
Quote from: nathanm on July 21, 2011, 03:00:48 PM
That doesn't mean it's the brightest thing in the world to make them live in conditions that cause people to be more prone to being..short.
If you treat them like animals they are likely going to act like animals, now and later when they get out.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 21, 2011, 02:59:14 PM
You live a hard life, you're going to do hard time. Prison life isn't supposed to be easy, it's supposed to be hard to help create a deterrent effect. Not that it works, but you get the drift.
No, I don't get your drift. It's not working so keep on doing it?
That's fine guys, we'll just take tens of millions from education budgets to put in new chillers, chilled water systems, cooling towers, and split units for the prisoners.
At some point, you've got to figure out what your spending priorities are and what you can live without or you'd need an effective tax rate of 70% to cover all the wants everyone has out of the public pot of money.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 21, 2011, 03:32:41 PM
That's fine guys, we'll just take tens of millions from education budgets to put in new chillers, chilled water systems, cooling towers, and split units for the prisoners.
That's a false dichotomy. We could just as easily stop locking so many people up and use that savings to pay for it. Or any number of other things.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 21, 2011, 03:32:41 PM
That's fine guys, we'll just take tens of millions from education budgets to put in new chillers, chilled water systems, cooling towers, and split units for the prisoners.
At some point, you've got to figure out what your spending priorities are and what you can live without or you'd need an effective tax rate of 70% to cover all the wants everyone has out of the public pot of money.
Actually cancel "bonding out", reconsider non-violent offender incarceration, ban any tobacco products/junk food, require exercise, get rid of companies making profit on jailing and disallow their ability to lobby. That might save enough money to pay for the remaining inmates cooling systems.
Or we can quit locking up piddly drug users, still not add air conditioning and save a boatload of cash.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 21, 2011, 03:32:41 PM
That's fine guys, we'll just take tens of millions from education budgets to put in new chillers, chilled water systems, cooling towers, and split units for the prisoners.
We already did raid education budgets to pay for jailer's bonuses and to create a slush fund so they wouldnt have to take furlough days. Maybe we need to take a much closer look at prison spending in general?
Quote from: patric on July 21, 2011, 04:22:46 PM
We already did raid education budgets to pay for jailer's bonuses and to create a slush fund so they wouldnt have to take furlough days. Maybe we need to take a much closer look at prison spending in general?
Ya think?
Wouldn't hurt to give the same scrutiny to every other federal and state department while we are at it either.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 21, 2011, 04:17:39 PM
Or we can quit locking up piddly drug users, still not add air conditioning and save a boatload of cash.
I catch your drift now.....
And private prison corps should bare the cost of their own improvements.
Quote from: nathanm on July 21, 2011, 03:35:59 PM
That's a false dichotomy. We could just as easily stop locking so many people up and use that savings to pay for it. Or any number of other things.
The POTUS that you felate more often than not uses the same tactics......
Quote from: Breadburner on July 21, 2011, 05:16:31 PM
The POTUS that you felate more often than not uses the same tactics......
Aaaand...
...the juvenile enters the room..
I am off my meds, so maybe that's why I don't want to treat the incarcerated inhumanely.
A/c is a luxury item. People lived for plenty long in climates like this without it. Does it suck to be really hot? Sure. But it makes me smile to think one of these guys could be the man who stole my neighbors ac for scrap metal.
Save the $ and reform the system to save more $.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on July 22, 2011, 07:07:12 AM
A/c is a luxury item.
Tell that to the folks that have died from the heat.
Regardless, my point was that when you make a person live in extreme heat, they're less likely to be compliant and more likely to be violent.
Quote from: nathanm on July 22, 2011, 07:41:53 AM
Tell that to the folks that have died from the heat.
Regardless, my point was that when you make a person live in extreme heat, they're less likely to be compliant and more likely to be violent.
So we should treat our prisoners to a better lifestyle than some of our financially less fortunate law abiding citizens?
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 22, 2011, 07:55:04 AM
So we should treat our prisoners to a better lifestyle than some of our financially less fortunate law abiding citizens?
Prisoners don't have the option of going to an air conditioned theater or red cross shelter or whatever. That still misses the point, though. Forcing prisoners to live in conditions which are likely to make them more violent is cutting off our nose to spite our face. Yes, confinement is sometimes necessary. That doesn't mean that we need to make it worse by inducing further criminal action.
Quote from: nathanm on July 22, 2011, 08:19:16 AM
Prisoners don't have the option of going to an air conditioned theater or red cross shelter or whatever. That still misses the point, though. Forcing prisoners to live in conditions which are likely to make them more violent is cutting off our nose to spite our face. Yes, confinement is sometimes necessary. That doesn't mean that we need to make it worse by inducing further criminal action.
So that explains all the violent riots we see in Oklahoma prisons every summer, eh? You are more than welcome to open
your checkbook to the prisoners if you feel so inclined. Once you are acclimated to the heat it's not that bad. So long as they are getting adequate water and shade, it's not that big a deal.
CF- love the comment about A/C thieves. I can only hope one of them is the POS who did over $20K worth of damage to one of our portable power plants stripping maybe $50 worth of copper wire out of it.
Im sorry you broke the law you dont get a suite at the Hilton. People lived without ac before why should those who can obey laws pay for ac for those who cant. Also the fact how Oklahoma cares more about its prison system than its education system is sad. Seriously this state is either nuts, beyond incompetent, and or just plain corrupt.
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 22, 2011, 07:55:04 AM
So we should treat our prisoners to a better lifestyle than some of our financially less fortunate law abiding citizens?
That's the worst logic evar.
Quote from: we vs us on July 22, 2011, 12:38:09 PM
That's the worst logic evar.
Or better than our soldiers over in Iraq or Afghanistan?
We have paid over $20 billion to air condition our soldiers. They don't have it so bad - and yes, I have a grandson there now who is in the heat right now. It was 120+ on Monday(124), Tuesday, and Wednesday. Haven't heard about Thurs and today. But it's a dry heat.....
My air conditioner crapped out Wed. Came home yesterday afternoon to an inside temperature of 104. That was fun. Luckily I had the windows open to let in some cool air....
Quote from: swampee on July 22, 2011, 08:57:14 AM
Im sorry you broke the law you dont get a suite at the Hilton. People lived without ac before why should those who can obey laws pay for ac for those who cant. Also the fact how Oklahoma cares more about its prison system than its education system is sad. Seriously this state is either nuts, beyond incompetent, and or just plain corrupt.
People used to live in mud huts and eat weevils for dinner but we've successfully gone beyond that as an acceptable benchmark of civility.
Maybe we should look at it purely from a cost savings standpoint, and go through, line by line, cross off the more expensive luxuries of human civilization. If AC's a luxury, then surely heat in the winter must be. Does hot and cold running water count as a luxury? How bout standing water in buckets? Beds? Yes? No? Maybe we let them keep beds. Or maybe we let them keep a straw pallet. And food? We're definitely wasting a lot of $$ by not feeding them scraps from the industrial farming process. Oh, and also, providing staff to feed it to them. Why not drive up in dump trucks and up-end the offal into outdoor troughs and the young punks can come running for their dinners.
THAT'S the way to treat a prisoner.
Quote from: we vs us on July 22, 2011, 01:02:56 PM
People used to live in mud huts and eat weevils for dinner but we've successfully gone beyond that as an acceptable benchmark of civility.
Maybe we should look at it purely from a cost savings standpoint, and go through, line by line, cross off the more expensive luxuries of human civilization. If AC's a luxury, then surely heat in the winter must be. Does hot and cold running water count as a luxury? How bout standing water in buckets? Beds? Yes? No? Maybe we let them keep beds. Or maybe we let them keep a straw pallet. And food? We're definitely wasting a lot of $$ by not feeding them scraps from the industrial farming process. Oh, and also, providing staff to feed it to them. Why not drive up in dump trucks and up-end the offal into outdoor troughs and the young punks can come running for their dinners.
THAT'S the way to treat a prisoner.
Careful, you are feeding me full of all sorts of practical ideas.
I had a grandmother who was very pleased when she got to move into a house after WWII that had the hand pump indoors. The previous farm had it outside the back door about 30 ft. Still used the same wood stove for cooking, but the outhouse had new boards for a path to it.
I grew up with some of that "old time" stuff, and the only thing that keeps me up out of it is working my butt off to keep head above water. Not gonna get too excited about some murderer, burglar, rapist, etc having to sweat a little bit.
I must admit that laying in the dark on a pallet in the front room, in the middle of winter, with the cold wind howling outside, is very much improved by watching the glow of a well stoked pot belly stove glowing dark cherry red. Homey. Comforting.
Quote from: we vs us on July 22, 2011, 01:02:56 PM
People used to live in mud huts and eat weevils for dinner but we've successfully gone beyond that as an acceptable benchmark of civility.
Maybe we should look at it purely from a cost savings standpoint, and go through, line by line, cross off the more expensive luxuries of human civilization. If AC's a luxury, then surely heat in the winter must be. Does hot and cold running water count as a luxury? How bout standing water in buckets? Beds? Yes? No? Maybe we let them keep beds. Or maybe we let them keep a straw pallet. And food? We're definitely wasting a lot of $$ by not feeding them scraps from the industrial farming process. Oh, and also, providing staff to feed it to them. Why not drive up in dump trucks and up-end the offal into outdoor troughs and the young punks can come running for their dinners.
Well for that matter, food and water are luxuries, when your consider our ancestors had to fetch their own. We could just let them eat each other; survival of the fittest.
It's not like we have to pretend to be civilized by demonstrating a higher moral standard to people kept in captivity or anything...
I am pissed when my hotel room doesn't have HBO.
I'd like to see prison labor camps where a inmate could not be released until he paid back with intrest every penny he stole. They would toil 12 hours a day and then they would be too tired at the end of the day to cause trouble and prison riots. They will just be able to eat, sleep & work.. The inmates would be paid 50 cents an hour that would go to re-pay his victim. Sadly the ACLU and the USSC thinks that would be "Cruel & Unuseual" punishment. That would make prison less attractive and cut back on the revolving door and repeat offenders.
Quote from: sauerkraut on July 22, 2011, 02:16:09 PM
I'd like to see prison labor camps where a inmate could not be released until he paid back with intrest every penny he stole. They would toil 12 hours a day and then they would be too tired at the end of the day to cause trouble and prison riots. They will just be able to eat, sleep & work.. The inmates would be paid 50 cents an hour that would go to re-pay his victim. Sadly the ACLU and the USSC thinks that would be "Cruel & Unuseual" punishment. That would make prison less attractive and cut back on the revolving door and repeat offenders.
Meanwhile tax payers are responsible for:
-Security and Administration
- Health care
- Operations
- Rehab
- food
- clothing
- religion
I suspect the prevalent anal rape is a pretty good motivation to stay out of jail. Somehow I doubt that many criminals think they're going to get caught..
Quote from: nathanm on July 22, 2011, 02:33:14 PM
I suspect the prevalent anal rape is a pretty good motivation to stay out of jail. Somehow I doubt that many criminals think they're going to get caught..
Must be rarer than we think. Every ex-con claims it never happened to them. 8)
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 22, 2011, 07:55:04 AM
So we should treat our prisoners to a better lifestyle than some of our financially less fortunate law abiding citizens?
And that right there is what I thought about before I posted my "inhumanity" comment. This is a tough issue.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 22, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
Must be rarer than we think. Every ex-con claims it never happened to them. 8)
But they oddly all know someone to whom it has... :P
Quote from: we vs us on July 22, 2011, 01:02:56 PM
People used to live in mud huts and eat weevils for dinner but we've successfully gone beyond that as an acceptable benchmark of civility.
Weevils: its whats for dinner
Remind me to RSVP no at your house.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on July 22, 2011, 03:35:28 PM
Remind me to RSVP no at your house.
RSVP no at my mud hut
AS is a luxury item. On some occasions keeping a person cool becomes a medical necessity, but you average inmate it is for comfort. My sister in albuquerque doesn't have ac. My neighbors ac broke for a week. Both are just fine.
Have it available for medical reasons, otherwise I don't care. Provide plenty of water and light clothing. I doubt a lack of air conditioning will lead to a higher reincarceration rate. We have limited reaources, I choose roads, schools, art, small business loans, infrastructure projects, tax breaks for feburbing old buildings, or money for prrison reform over ac for prisoners.
Quote from: nathanm on July 22, 2011, 07:41:53 AM
Tell that to the folks that have died from the heat.
Regardless, my point was that when you make a person live in extreme heat, they're less likely to be compliant and more likely to be violent.
was their cause of death listed as "lack of A/C"? I would be willing to bet it was more along the lines of they were working outside all day, didnt drink the proper fluids and succombed to dehydration. Now maybe an elderly person or two died due to lack of air conditioning and possibly didnt know any better due to dimentia, or some other underlying reason. But I find it hard to believe it was strictly lack of AC!
It's pretty easy to discern the Guantanamoe schmoes at TNF by reading this thread.... :(
I survived 3 summers in New Orleans with no AC in the late 90s. Sorry to inconvience the lawbreakers with a little hot weather. Maybe they should of thought of that before they committed their crime. Having ac is not a necessary part of life, it is a luxury. One of my uncles spent some time in an Alabama prison camp and they never had AC. He didn't die because of it, he died of old age.
AC may have been a luxury 50 years ago, but if we were to have a major infrastructure failure right about now we would see some alarming death figures.
Quote from: patric on July 24, 2011, 04:23:29 PM
AC may have been a luxury 50 years ago, but if we were to have a major infrastructure failure right about now we would see some alarming death figures.
Apparently you know a lot of people who are too stupid to stay in the shade and drink lots of liquids.
Do some research on Maricopa County Jail Tent City. You can BPM (b1tcH, P1$$ and moan about it all you want) you can call it inhumane, cruel and unjust, but they have a very low recietivism rate. And on the hottest day at 119 degrees they gave the inmates 4 bags of ice to use, and you know what? Not a single,one used that 10lb bag as a weapon. Joe seems to run a pretty good jail despite his contractors.
Quote from: dbacks fan on July 25, 2011, 03:50:36 AM
Do some research on Maricopa County Jail Tent City. You can BPM (b1tcH, P1$$ and moan about it all you want) you can call it inhumane, cruel and unjust, but they have a very low recietivism rate. And on the hottest day at 119 degrees they gave the inmates 4 bags of ice to use, and you know what? Not a single,one used that 10lb bag as a weapon. Joe seems to run a pretty good jail despite his contractors.
We need more Sheriff's like Sheriff Joe. Watched a documentary on him awhile back. Pretty interesting guy. He reads them bedtime stories on closed circuit TV while wearing a red smokers jacket by a fireplace. The inmates painted murals on the interior walls of the animal shelter. The dogs meals per day cost more than the inmates. And they wear pink jumpsuits with pink slip on shoes. I have no problem with it. Again, jail is supposed to be a punishment and a hardship, not free housing with 3 hot meals a day, recess and happy hr.
If you are properly prepared for the heat it's no big deal. I have no choice but to be out in the heat to train for my "A" race coming up in Colorado in three weeks. I spend easily 20 hours a week training in the heat. As long as you are hydrated and keeping your electrolytes up, it's not a big deal. One trick cyclists like to use for 'lytes is pickle juice. I look like a big salt lick when I get done with long training rides, but I don't cramp and don't wind up with heart rhythm issues.
You don't need to be an athlete to survive in the heat, so long as inmates have plenty of hydration and access to salt, I don't see a problem.
I just am waiting for the day they decide public housing turns off the AC. That will be the day lots of people suddenly decide that maybe getting a job isn't such a bad idea.
Quote from: TeeDub on July 25, 2011, 09:14:21 AM
I just am waiting for the day they decide public housing turns off the AC. That will be the day lots of people suddenly decide that maybe getting a job isn't such a bad idea.
. . . or they could just take the cable TV away.
Quote from: TeeDub on July 24, 2011, 11:31:50 PM
Apparently you know a lot of people who are too stupid to stay in the shade and drink lots of liquids.
I was thinking of elderly, and "stupid" would not have been the term I would have used to describe their situation.
Quote from: Teatownclown on July 23, 2011, 12:19:34 PM
It's pretty easy to discern the Guantanamoe schmoes at TNF by reading this thread.... :(
Not as easy as discerning a complete and utter fool such as your-self.....
Quote from: Breadburner on July 25, 2011, 10:22:55 AM
Not as easy as discerning a complete and utter fool such as your-self.....
I play the role of the fool.....choosing to remove myself from your violence.
But do tell me, would you prefer in winter they go without heat as well?
Quote from: Teatownclown on July 25, 2011, 10:37:12 AM
I play the role of the fool.....choosing to remove myself from your violence.
But do tell me, would you prefer in winter they go without heat as well?
Meltdown in progress.......
Quote from: Conan71 on July 22, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
Must be rarer than we think. Every ex-con claims it never happened to them. 8)
There are to many that are willing. No need to rape it just adds another charge.
And the myth about sex offenders and molesters getting beat up is just that. They are protected at minimum yards to keep that from happening. Everybody there is one step away from getting out. They are not about to chance that. Sad huh ?
Quote from: nathanm on July 22, 2011, 02:33:14 PM
I suspect the prevalent anal rape is a pretty good motivation to stay out of jail. Somehow I doubt that many criminals think they're going to get caught..
Given past posts, this makes me wonder why Breadhead hasn't gotten himself sent to prison yet?
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 25, 2011, 12:47:24 PM
Given past posts, this makes me wonder why Breadhead hasn't gotten himself sent to prison yet?
Or is already posting from there.
Multiple melt-downs in the same thread...Awesome...!!! ;D
Let's take away their free medical care while we're at it. And wheelchairs. People lived for centuries without wheelchairs. And 3 squares a day. Think how much we could save by feeding them barely enough to stay alive?? Law libraries. What a waste. People got along just fine without them. Eye glasses. They're only good for reading, right? And who wants to give an inmate that privilege?? Electricity? Generations have lived without it. Clothing? Why waste the fabric? Exercise yards? Why give them any privilege? Worship service? God's love is conditional isn't? Jesus would never open his arms to a dirty inmate. Right? Right guys?
Isn't that right?
Can I get an amen?
Jesus didn't have air conditioning either.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 25, 2011, 11:10:57 PM
Jesus didn't have air conditioning either.
Just venalation......
Quote from: Breadburner on July 25, 2011, 11:37:11 PM
Just venalation......
I believe that's called indecent exposure these days.
Several of the old facilities still use water box fans and have no plans on putting in central a.c. because of the cost. It's a roll of the dice where Lexington intake sends you. The main thing they try to do is send you as far away from your home in order to not have to deal with family visits. You get closer to home as your sentence nears its end.
As for the luxury of clothing. All your clothes are washed twice a week in a nylon bag barely large enough for all your clothes and washed with hundreds of bags at a time and full drying is never achieved.
The sores that are accompanied with such process is blamed on possible spider bites. But almost always turns out to be staph infection.
A lot of the facilities try and be self sufficient and have a garden which the inmates work year round. Three meals a day and a limited commissary are the choices. Food cooked is usually high in carbohydrates and starches. Most inmates will pack on the pounds while incarcerated, giving the impression of living comfortably.
All inmates have a job. They all are assigned after assessment is done over the first few weeks at the yard. The higher risk inmates will stay and work on the yard or kitchen. The lower risk inmates usually get a outside job with seven to ten men on a crew. Most inmates want these jobs but are subject to more strip searches for obvious reasons.
If you have issues such as needing Eye glasses, they will be provided to you and most all of them black frame plastic to cut down on possible replacements. You have to be in the system at least six months to be looked at for Dental care. And even after that it could take up to six months to a year to finally get the treatment because of the long back log of patients.
They also provide three months of good time to your sentence if you enroll in and pass the GED course. It almost always takes several months to get into the class because of the long list of enrolled inmates. Not all yards offer the GED course so you may end up having to wait for a bed at another facility to get transfered to and that also takes time.
Quote from: DolfanBob on July 26, 2011, 10:20:54 AM
If you have issues such as needing Eye glasses, they will be provided to you and most all of them black frame plastic to cut down on possible replacements. You have to be in the system at least six months to be looked at for Dental care. And even after that it could take up to six months to a year to finally get the treatment because of the long back log of patients.
They already have Obamacare?
Couldn't AC and facility upgrades (moving to a better facility) be a good behavior reward? Also, couldn't the inmates donate labor and there earnings for AC?
Quote from: godboko71 on July 26, 2011, 07:03:00 PM
Couldn't AC and facility upgrades (moving to a better facility) be a good behavior reward? Also, couldn't the inmates donate labor and there earnings for AC?
As it is, generally heating and cooling equipment is maintained by the inmates unless they have a problem or repair which is too big or technical for them to handle. As far as rewards, prison isn't supposed to be about privilege, it's about punishment, deterrent, and rehabilitation. If the conditions are less than ideal, hopefully you leave an impression on an inmate that will keep them from returning when they are released.
Quote from: Breadburner on July 25, 2011, 11:37:11 PM
Just venalation......
So, I guess thinking that Jesus was capable of corruption or being bribed or bought off goes well with Breadhead's other internal inclinations.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 27, 2011, 11:44:51 AM
So, I guess thinking that Jesus was capable of corruption or being bribed or bought off goes well with Breadhead's other internal inclinations.
and what is wrong with thinking that he was just a man, which means he is capable of that stuff?
Seems to me that he was exposed to exactly that kind of temptation and showed himself to be above it. Something about temptation in the dessert?
So because someone resists temptation (at least where other see it) that means they are not capable of it?
Quote from: custosnox on July 27, 2011, 11:43:47 PM
So because someone resists temptation (at least where other see it) that means they are not capable of it?
JMO, anyone can be capable of succumbing to temptation, but the resistance is taught by family as to what is right and wrong. I know, simple concept of family and morality being taught in the home. Guess we need legislation to enforce values for us, instead of it being a trait taught by parents.
(Now going to duck to avoid the onslaught of responses)
Quote from: DolfanBob on July 26, 2011, 10:20:54 AM
Several of the old facilities still use water box fans and have no plans on putting in central a.c. because of the cost. It's a roll of the dice where Lexington intake sends you. The main thing they try to do is send you as far away from your home in order to not have to deal with family visits. You get closer to home as your sentence nears its end.
As for the luxury of clothing. All your clothes are washed twice a week in a nylon bag barely large enough for all your clothes and washed with hundreds of bags at a time and full drying is never achieved.
The sores that are accompanied with such process is blamed on possible spider bites. But almost always turns out to be staph infection.
A lot of the facilities try and be self sufficient and have a garden which the inmates work year round. Three meals a day and a limited commissary are the choices. Food cooked is usually high in carbohydrates and starches. Most inmates will pack on the pounds while incarcerated, giving the impression of living comfortably.
All inmates have a job. They all are assigned after assessment is done over the first few weeks at the yard. The higher risk inmates will stay and work on the yard or kitchen. The lower risk inmates usually get a outside job with seven to ten men on a crew. Most inmates want these jobs but are subject to more strip searches for obvious reasons.
If you have issues such as needing Eye glasses, they will be provided to you and most all of them black frame plastic to cut down on possible replacements. You have to be in the system at least six months to be looked at for Dental care. And even after that it could take up to six months to a year to finally get the treatment because of the long back log of patients.
They also provide three months of good time to your sentence if you enroll in and pass the GED course. It almost always takes several months to get into the class because of the long list of enrolled inmates. Not all yards offer the GED course so you may end up having to wait for a bed at another facility to get transfered to and that also takes time.
Doesn't sound like they are being treated to first class hotel acommodations as many might believe. Reminds me of when I worked a strike at a Louisiana refinery in my youth. We worked 12 hour shifts, bunked in offices stacked like submariners, ate rice and beans with a side of rice and beans, showered as a group, ate as a group and did dangerous work. We got pretty good medical though. Meanwhile the union guys were partying outside the gates.
As an aside, those "water boxes" work pretty well. Growing up in the 50's we had water coolers that felt dang good when the hot Okie summers arrived with a vengeance. Even the downtown office buildings had them. Of course the humidity was tough on everything but it made life bearable.
Those are called "Swamp Coolers"......
No doubt. You know what they called the lowest workers at the refinery? Swampers. They were the guys who were sent back into the swamp to retrieve left behind tools. One armed guys usually. ;)
The inmates would be outside turning big rocks into small rocks if I was King. I believe in prison labor camps. After a 12 hour day of toil the inmates would be too tired to riot and fight as a bonus. There would be no A/C, gyms, or any other perks, prison would be a place you'd want to avoid at all costs. The revolving door of prison would slow down a bit....BTW, They say that guy in the Oslo shootings will be in the worlds most luxury prison, complete with private plasma TV sets in each room, pool, gyms, tennis courts, the works in the lap of good living with a full menu mess hall.. The photo's I seen of the "prison" look like a resort and the guards are mostly good looking Ladies, the max. sentence is 21 years no matter the crime. Totally unreal. If you must do a crime and can do the time Norway is the place to do it..
Quote from: sauerkraut on July 28, 2011, 12:37:44 PM
The inmates would be outside turning big rocks into small rocks if I was King. I believe in prison labor camps. After a 12 hour day of toil the inmates would be too tired to riot and fight as a bonus. There would be no A/C, gyms, or any other perks, prison would be a place you'd want to avoid at all costs. The revolving door of prison would slow down a bit....BTW, They say that guy in the Oslo shootings will be in the worlds most luxury prison, complete with private plasma TV sets in each room, pool, gyms, tennis courts, the works in the lap of good living with a full menu mess hall.. The photo's I seen of the "prison" look like a resort and the guards are mostly good looking Ladies, the max. sentence is 21 years no matter the crime. Totally unreal. If you must do a crime and can do the time Norway is the place to do it..
And oddly enough, they have a much lower recidivism rate than the US.
Quote from: sauerkraut on July 28, 2011, 12:37:44 PM
The inmates would be outside turning big rocks into small rocks if I was King. I believe in prison labor camps. After a 12 hour day of toil the inmates would be too tired to riot and fight as a bonus. There would be no A/C, gyms, or any other perks, prison would be a place you'd want to avoid at all costs. The revolving door of prison would slow down a bit....BTW, They say that guy in the Oslo shootings will be in the worlds most luxury prison, complete with private plasma TV sets in each room, pool, gyms, tennis courts, the works in the lap of good living with a full menu mess hall.. The photo's I seen of the "prison" look like a resort and the guards are mostly good looking Ladies, the max. sentence is 21 years no matter the crime. Totally unreal. If you must do a crime and can do the time Norway is the place to do it..
Really? If you were King you'd be assassinated in short order.
Quote from: AquaMan on July 28, 2011, 01:38:04 PM
Really? If you were King you'd be assassinated in short order.
Ahhh, so that's why they shot Garfield and McKinley!!!
Oh ya the fun of weed eating county areas and picking up citizens trash along the Highway or chopping wood in a area you just cut down and cleared.
Or the time spent in a week to build a barbed wire fence for a citizen that applied for and got free labor to have it done for him.
Clearing out storm drains and helping lay asphalt for miles of County roads, not to mention filling pot holes as they arise.
Helping with clearing ditches or getting rid of Beaver Dams on Citizens ponds or clearing snow and ice from County parking lots.
Not to mention that County Cemeteries need to be kept up with mowing and weed eating.
Ya I guess it has gotten so much better than the old Black and White striped uniform day's of slaving in the hot sun chained together "Cool Hand Luke" style of incarceration, breaking them rocks and making Auto Licence plates, All the while singing "Camp Town Ladies" with only bread and water at the end of the day waiting for you.
Quote from: DolfanBob on July 28, 2011, 02:07:50 PM
Oh ya the fun of weed eating county areas and picking up citizens trash along the Highway or chopping wood in a area you just cut down and cleared.
Or the time spent in a week to build a barbed wire fence for a citizen that applied for and got free labor to have it done for him.
Clearing out storm drains and helping lay asphalt for miles of County roads, not to mention filling pot holes as they arise.
Helping with clearing ditches or getting rid of Beaver Dams on Citizens ponds or clearing snow and ice from County parking lots.
Not to mention that County Cemeteries need to be kept up with mowing and weed eating.
Ya I guess it has gotten so much better than the old Black and White striped uniform day's of slaving in the hot sun chained together "Cool Hand Luke" style of incarceration, breaking them rocks and making Auto Licence plates, All the while singing "Camp Town Ladies" with only bread and water at the end of the day waiting for you.
Dolfan, you seem to have a pretty good grasp on what the prison duties are...personal experience speaking? 8)
Quote from: Conan71 on July 28, 2011, 02:02:41 PM
Ahhh, so that's why they shot Garfield and McKinley!!!
And Arch Duke Ferdinand. They all believed in making large rocks smaller. Insanity.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 28, 2011, 02:36:14 PM
Dolfan, you seem to have a pretty good grasp on what the prison duties are...personal experience speaking? 8)
My prison experience was way different. We ate bon bons and watched Oprah.
Good times, good times.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 28, 2011, 02:36:14 PM
Dolfan, you seem to have a pretty good grasp on what the prison duties are...personal experience speaking? 8)
Lets just say. I got friends in low places.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on July 28, 2011, 03:05:58 PM
My prison experience was way different. We ate bon bons and watched Oprah.
Good times, good times.
I was confused. That was a past marriage...it just seemed like prison.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on July 28, 2011, 03:34:36 PM
I was confused. That was a past marriage...it just seemed like prison.
Now thats a good one. I cant even say mine was Prison with benefits.
Quote from: DolfanBob on July 28, 2011, 03:45:59 PM
Now thats a good one. I cant even say mine was Prison with benefits.
Well we're not 100% sure what he's referring to as "bon bons".