Are you freaking kidding me? Just how big does the nanny state need to get?
"TV advertisements for sugary and fatty foods are playing a role in childhood obesity and ought to be taken off the air, a leading group of pediatricians says.
In a policy statement released Monday, the American Academy of Pediatrics' Council on Communications and Media rips "the media" for contributing to child and adolescent obesity, ticking off the many ways in which screen time is a negative influence. The group called on doctors to ask Congress and regulatory groups to ban advertisements for junk food and fast food during kids' programming, as well as advertisements targeted to children via cellphone and other media."
http://www.latimes.com/health/boostershots/la-heb-fast-food-tv-ads-20110627,0,4493308.story
It's not fast food ads which are making children obese, it's lazy parents. Quit making corporations scapegoats for stupid and irresponsible people. Aside from that, I believe we start getting into First Amendment rights here.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 28, 2011, 10:42:04 AM
Are you freaking kidding me? Just how big does the nanny state need to get?
"TV advertisements for sugary and fatty foods are playing a role in childhood obesity and ought to be taken off the air, a leading group of pediatricians says.
In a policy statement released Monday, the American Academy of Pediatrics' Council on Communications and Media rips "the media" for contributing to child and adolescent obesity, ticking off the many ways in which screen time is a negative influence. The group called on doctors to ask Congress and regulatory groups to ban advertisements for junk food and fast food during kids' programming, as well as advertisements targeted to children via cellphone and other media."
http://www.latimes.com/health/boostershots/la-heb-fast-food-tv-ads-20110627,0,4493308.story
It's not fast food ads which are making children obese, it's lazy parents. Quit making corporations scapegoats for stupid and irresponsible people. Aside from that, I believe we start getting into First Amendment rights here.
So would alcohol and cigarette ads during cartoons work for you as well? Just takign it to the extreme.
I think their hearts are in the right place Conan, but ultimately you are right that we should start with looking at the home before elsewhere.
I question the impact television has on our children's lives. I watched Yogi Bear over and over and I have never stole a pic a nic basket.
Stupid pediatricians. What do they know?
Quote from: we vs us on June 28, 2011, 11:24:50 AM
Stupid pediatricians. What do they know?
They know that kids are fat through observation
They've confirmed that the causes of fat kids are poor diet and lack of excercise.
They are surmising that TV ads lead to the bad diet choices <-this is the part they don't actually know.
Quote from: carltonplace on June 28, 2011, 12:24:04 PM
They are surmising that TV ads lead to the bad diet choices <-this is the part they don't actually know.
Or maybe they do. I'd be shocked if the NIH hadn't funded at least one half million dollar study on the subject.
Quote from: guido911 on June 28, 2011, 10:47:49 AM
I think their hearts are in the right place Conan, but ultimately you are right that we should start with looking at the home before elsewhere.
This is obviously an over reaction to the real epidemic. Children want the crap they see on TV when they are younger. I wonder what would happen if all the advertisements were for vegetables? I think they should get a few kids and replace all advertisements with vegetables and see what happens.
Quote from: carltonplace on June 28, 2011, 12:24:04 PM
They know that kids are fat through observation
They've confirmed that the causes of fat kids are poor diet and lack of excercise.
They are surmising that TV ads lead to the bad diet choices <-this is the part they don't actually know.
If there were no direct correlation between tv ads and consumer choices, why would McDonalds spend 1.2 billion dollars on advertising? If advertising didn't actually work, no one would spend money on it.
I understand that ultimately the diet choices of a child is the responsibility of the parent, but any mom or dad who's had a child melt down in the grocery store, insisting that every other kid in the country gets to eat chocolate frosted sugar bomb cereal, can appreciate the frustration at child-centered advertising.
Quote from: pmcalk on June 28, 2011, 12:44:39 PM
I understand that ultimately the diet choices of a child is the responsibility of the parent, but any mom or dad who's had a child melt down in the grocery store, insisting that every other kid in the country gets to eat chocolate frosted sugar bomb cereal, can appreciate the frustration at child-centered advertising.
You mean go cukoo for Cocoa Puffs?
Quote from: pmcalk on June 28, 2011, 12:44:39 PM
If there were no direct correlation between tv ads and consumer choices, why would McDonalds spend 1.2 billion dollars on advertising? If advertising didn't actually work, no one would spend money on it.
I understand that ultimately the diet choices of a child is the responsibility of the parent, but any mom or dad who's had a child melt down in the grocery store, insisting that every other kid in the country gets to eat chocolate frosted sugar bomb cereal, can appreciate the frustration at child-centered advertising.
Some parents understand the value of enduring a five minute long fit to enforce that "no" means no.
Personally, I avoid drive throughs, but that's a choice I eventually arrived at. Learning there's nearly 30 additives in Taco Bell taco meat (amongst other fast food nightmares) and realizing I feel a whole lot better without food additives made the choice easy for me.
Fortunately, my girls were never big on McDonald's and they were always very active in either cheer or gymnastics so obesity isn't a problem for them. They liked Sonic or Arby's which I felt offered somewhat better menu choices.
Anything is fine in moderation. If anything, I think there's almost a habit which forms with parents and has less to do with the advertising. They rush from their job to pick their child up from school then get them to piano lessons, scouts, gymnastics or whatever. The child is hungry, and what's convenient? Being busy is still no excuse. You can find time for what you consider important. I seriously doubt I spend more time shopping and cooking for myself than I would eating out three meals a day. If anything I might even spend a little less time due to less time spent in transit (which raises my blood pressure in Tulsa traffic).
Quote from: Conan71 on June 28, 2011, 10:42:04 AM
It's not fast food ads which are making children obese, it's lazy parents. Quit making corporations scapegoats for stupid and irresponsible people. Aside from that, I believe we start getting into First Amendment rights here.
It's a combination of lousy indoctrination and poor education. There you go BLAMING the less fortunate. They are victims, believe it or not. Let's just refer to them from here on out as "the victims" and just maybe you will feel better by offering a hand up. You would no more see it as a hand out.
What separates the US from the rest the world when it comes to "fat"? One night, I was amazed at all the hangerovers on the edge of their Brady Theater seats. :D Fat means someone's got a big issue....
Quote from: CharlieSheen on June 28, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
I think they should get a few kids and replace all advertisements with vegetables and see what happens.
Aggressively marketed baby carrots packaged like junk food actually sell very well to kids. ;)
Quote from: Conan71 on June 28, 2011, 12:57:12 PM
Some parents understand the value of enduring a five minute long fit to enforce that "no" means no.
Curious, how often did you take your kids shopping with you when they were young (as compared to how many times your wife did it)? As a stay-at-home mom, I dragged all three boys to the store weekly (or more often--it is so much fun to discover you are out of milk first thing in the morning), pushed them in those double carts that weigh as much as a minivan, while one colicky baby cried the whole time. Meanwhile, the toddler, who is grabbing everything off the shelf as we walk by, has to be rushed to the bathroom every 5 minutes because he is being potty trained. So, when my oldest throws a fit because I won't buy him some crappy cereal, forgive me, but, no, my first thought isn't "hey, what a wonderful opportunity for a teaching moment." Call me a bad mom.
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Personally, I avoid drive throughs, but that's a choice I eventually arrived at. Learning there's nearly 30 additives in Taco Bell taco meat (amongst other fast food nightmares) and realizing I feel a whole lot better without food additives made the choice easy for me.
Fortunately, my girls were never big on McDonald's and they were always very active in either cheer or gymnastics so obesity isn't a problem for them. They liked Sonic or Arby's which I felt offered somewhat better menu choices.
Anything is fine in moderation. If anything, I think there's almost a habit which forms with parents and has less to do with the advertising. They rush from their job to pick their child up from school then get them to piano lessons, scouts, gymnastics or whatever. The child is hungry, and what's convenient? Being busy is still no excuse. You can find time for what you consider important. I seriously doubt I spend more time shopping and cooking for myself than I would eating out three meals a day. If anything I might even spend a little less time due to less time spent in transit (which raises my blood pressure in Tulsa traffic).
We rarely visit drive ins either. But I appreciate that my family is in a position in which I can make that decision. I can stay home and cook healthy meals. Families who parents work multiple jobs, or single moms who are scrounging to get by, don't pick up fast food for their family because they are lazy. Really, the biggest travesty is the fact that it can cost less to feed your family at McDonalds than it costs to buy & prepare a healthy meal. It costs less to buy a gallon of soda than to buy a gallon of milk.
Regardless of the advertising, my kids will be fine. But I know that many kids out there don't get the necessary supervision, nor have the parents who appreciate the harmful affects of too much soda and junk food. Study after study has shown that kids are affected differently than adults by advertisement. As our nation becomes less and less healthy, you and I will ultimately pay the price through higher healthcare costs. So, what is so wrong about wanting to tone down the advertisement a bit? Obviously, it isn't going to cure obesity any more than ending cigarette ads stopped people from smoking. But it certainly could help some.
Quote from: pmcalk on June 28, 2011, 03:34:31 PM
Curious, how often did you take your kids shopping with you when they were young (as compared to how many times your wife did it)? As a stay-at-home mom, I dragged all three boys to the store weekly (or more often--it is so much fun to discover you are out of milk first thing in the morning), pushed them in those double carts that weigh as much as a minivan, while one colicky baby cried the whole time. Meanwhile, the toddler, who is grabbing everything off the shelf as we walk by, has to be rushed to the bathroom every 5 minutes because he is being potty trained. So, when my oldest throws a fit because I won't buy him some crappy cereal, forgive me, but, no, my first thought isn't "hey, what a wonderful opportunity for a teaching moment." Call me a bad mom.
We rarely visit drive ins either. But I appreciate that my family is in a position in which I can make that decision. I can stay home and cook healthy meals. Families who parents work multiple jobs, or single moms who are scrounging to get by, don't pick up fast food for their family because they are lazy. Really, the biggest travesty is the fact that it can cost less to feed your family at McDonalds than it costs to buy & prepare a healthy meal. It costs less to buy a gallon of soda than to buy a gallon of milk.
Regardless of the advertising, my kids will be fine. But I know that many kids out there don't get the necessary supervision, nor have the parents who appreciate the harmful affects of too much soda and junk food. Study after study has shown that kids are affected differently than adults by advertisement. As our nation becomes less and less healthy, you and I will ultimately pay the price through higher healthcare costs. So, what is so wrong about wanting to tone down the advertisement a bit? Obviously, it isn't going to cure obesity any more than ending cigarette ads stopped people from smoking. But it certainly could help some.
Ahhh, so you were the mother with the three hellions ;) I always pitied the women trying to herd cats through a department store so my heart goes out to you on those days.
Actually, we both worked, so we generally did shopping together. Look, I'm not saying we NEVER got terrorized into buying a stuffed animal we didn't need, but I am pointing out there are a lot of parents who simply abdicate their responsibility to showing their kids some restraint and are not a great example because they are junk food addicts as well. And while we are at it, if they want to improve health via restricting advertising, the biggest favor they could do is do away with coupons for food products, it's usually for canned or boxed poison anyhow.
I will also argue quite strongly that I can put together a quick healthy meal cheaper than a happy meal. For instance, a black bean & rice burrito for your active little athlete takes 20 minutes of prep and cooking time and you can make enough at one time for an entire week. Cost for a huge, healthy, and tasty burrito is maybe .50. Throw in an orange or banana for dessert and that's another .25 to .50. There's so many other inexpensive and healthy alternatives. The trick is to figure out when you have the time and cook ahead for the times you don't have time to cook. The drive through is a cop out. You don't have to shop at Whole Paycheck to eat healthy either. There's plenty of healthy choices even at Warehouse Market.
I'm one of the busier people I know and somehow I manage to cook or otherwise prepare all but probably three meals a week. I work five days a week and generally train (or am going to or returning from) for 2 to 4 hours a night as well as up to 10 hours on weekends or I'm off competing somewhere, manage to keep my house up, and spend about 1/2 my weekends out of town. The future Mrs. and I usually will cook an overage of proteins on the weekend for re-use during the week, that's another time saver.
It can be done, it's like exercise, you simply have to plan for it. There's been some initiatives to try and help people in more poverty-riddled areas start making better choices in nutrition as it's no secret that has a whole lot of impact on overall health. I don't have a problem with social programs like that, I think they are quite worthwhile as is any program which actually improves the human condition.
Quote from: Teatownclown on June 28, 2011, 01:05:52 PM
It's a combination of lousy indoctrination and poor education. There you go BLAMING the less fortunate. They are victims, believe it or not. Let's just refer to them from here on out as "the victims" and just maybe you will feel better by offering a hand up. You would no more see it as a hand out.
What separates the US from the rest the world when it comes to "fat"? One night, I was amazed at all the hangerovers on the edge of their Brady Theater seats. :D Fat means someone's got a big issue....
So lazy parents are now less fortunate? You have issues man.
Quote from: TulsaMoon on June 28, 2011, 04:40:46 PM
So lazy parents are now less fortunate? You have issues man.
No, but their kids sure are ;)
Quote from: Conan71 on June 28, 2011, 04:28:35 PM
Ahhh, so you were the mother with the three hellions ;) I always pitied the women trying to herd cats through a department store so my heart goes out to you on those days.
Actually, we both worked, so we generally did shopping together. Look, I'm not saying we NEVER got terrorized into buying a stuffed animal we didn't need, but I am pointing out there are a lot of parents who simply abdicate their responsibility to showing their kids some restraint and are not a great example because they are junk food addicts as well. And while we are at it, if they want to improve health via restricting advertising, the biggest favor they could do is do away with coupons for food products, it's usually for canned or boxed poison anyhow.
I will also argue quite strongly that I can put together a quick healthy meal cheaper than a happy meal. For instance, a black bean & rice burrito for your active little athlete takes 20 minutes of prep and cooking time and you can make enough at one time for an entire week. Cost for a huge, healthy, and tasty burrito is maybe .50. Throw in an orange or banana for dessert and that's another .25 to .50. There's so many other inexpensive and healthy alternatives. The trick is to figure out when you have the time and cook ahead for the times you don't have time to cook. The drive through is a cop out. You don't have to shop at Whole Paycheck to eat healthy either. There's plenty of healthy choices even at Warehouse Market.
I'm one of the busier people I know and somehow I manage to cook or otherwise prepare all but probably three meals a week. I work five days a week and generally train (or am going to or returning from) for 2 to 4 hours a night as well as up to 10 hours on weekends or I'm off competing somewhere, manage to keep my house up, and spend about 1/2 my weekends out of town. The future Mrs. and I usually will cook an overage of proteins on the weekend for re-use during the week, that's another time saver.
It can be done, it's like exercise, you simply have to plan for it. There's been some initiatives to try and help people in more poverty-riddled areas start making better choices in nutrition as it's no secret that has a whole lot of impact on overall health. I don't have a problem with social programs like that, I think they are quite worthwhile as is any program which actually improves the human condition.
I'm not saying it can't be done. Obviously, it can--especially if you eat lots of beans. Just saying that a typical meal at McDonalds frequently can be cheaper than an (unplanned) dinner cooked at home. And as much as we try, we have several "unplanned" dinners a month (late meeting, school play, forgot to pick something up). I know (sadly) that I can feed my entire family for around $15 at McDonalds. To make a healthier--but comparable--dinner at home, I will spend as much, if not more ($3 for whole wheat buns, $5 for lean ground meat, $2 for fresh potatoes, then throw in a vegetable, milk, condiments, etc--you get to $15 pretty quickly).
For poor Americans, the problem is compounded by the fact that so many live in food deserts--large areas where the only food available is in convenience stores and fast food restaurants. If they have no car, then any unplanned meal will by necessity be fast food. It isn't surprising that the fattest states are also the ones with the highest concentration of food deserts (compare http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/the-fattest-states-of-america/
with http://labs.slate.com/articles/food-deserts-in-america/).
I fully believe that parents should be ultimately responsible for their kid's diet, and I don't believe for a minute that eliminating commercials aimed at kids will get rid of obesity. I think getting rid of corn subsidies would be much more beneficial. However, I do believe that advertising has a big affect upon our attitudes. Eliminating cigarette ads didn't change attitudes overnight; however, coupled with additional changes, I believe that it helped.
Just a thought here. Could it possibly be a fat gene in the family.
Up until I hit 40 I had no problem staying thin, after that milestone was hit I now have to walk and excercise to even have a hope of getting rid of what I eat.
I only say this because my kid's are the Worlds worst at eating junk food and playing hours of video games and in general being lazy.
Having said that. Both my boy's are thin and in good shape for the lack of not excercising and eating healthy, but they are 15 and 17 years old.
Quote from: TulsaMoon on June 28, 2011, 04:40:46 PM
So lazy parents are now less fortunate? You have issues man.
Just now figuring that out? :P
One of my latest discoveries is Sams Mesquite Grilled Chicken, per pound its cheaper than gound beef. Pop one in the microwave for 3 minutes and they are deelish. Also I keep my eye out for the vegetable steamers at Reasors, they often go on sale for a dollar and are a good amount for 2 people. Add some bread and then for desert a bowl of yogurt with fruit ( I buy the mixed bag of frozen fruit) and you can have a nice, quick, well balanced meal for less than 3 bucks.
Quote from: TulsaMoon on June 28, 2011, 04:40:46 PM
So lazy parents are now less fortunate? You have issues man.
Who doesn't, Moonie? Are those that die from lung cancer associated with inhaling tobacco victimized by an industry or by their own choices? Both. They're still victims of being less fortunate. We as a society need to have stronger mores. If people walked around with body odor more than overhanging you can be sure they'd be called out for their issues. Scorned and marked would curtail much of their issue and make their stench unacceptable in a crowd. Do you wear perfume? :)
Quote from: TheArtist on June 28, 2011, 06:00:10 PM
One of my latest discoveries is Sams Mesquite Grilled Chicken, per pound its cheaper than gound beef.
Be careful if you are salt sensitive. Some of the chicken (Tyson's) has a lot of salt in it.
Quote from: Red Arrow on June 28, 2011, 07:57:35 PM
Be careful if you are salt sensitive. Some of the chicken (Tyson's) has a lot of salt in it.
In my old age (ha 44 is old now) and actually in the 10 or so years prior, I've really really cut down on my salt intake. Genetic disposition of hypertension in my family, but so far I've avoided it. My mother's didn't onset until she was nearly 60, so I have hope. Now I just need to get down to about 205 (I'm about 245 right now) and that would even lower the risk. Problem is that another thing I have in my family reduces my metabolism markedly, which the doctor now tells me he is seeing signs of (hypothyroidism). I still try and be as active as all this allows me, and my bad right knee that can predict weather.
But, to keep the talk OT, it is ultimately up to the parents to control what their children can and cannot eat. Once again, the term 'food island' or 'grocery island' comes up, and if a fast food place is offering 99 cent hamburgers to a 2 child parent who has 5 dollars in their pocket to spend for food, and no transportation, will typically walk to the nearest McWhatever and get five of those, as opposed to getting some fixins for salads (which I love to make and started eating more with those salad spray things here lately).
Quote from: Teatownclown on June 28, 2011, 06:47:53 PM
Who doesn't, Moonie? Are those that die from lung cancer associated with inhaling tobacco victimized by an industry or by their own choices? Both. They're still victims of being less fortunate. We as a society need to have stronger mores. If people walked around with body odor more than overhanging you can be sure they'd be called out for their issues. Scorned and marked would curtail much of their issue and make their stench unacceptable in a crowd. Do you wear perfume? :)
A bad parent is just that, a BAD PARENT... Not a Victim, not less fortunate.. a bad parent. You smoke, you die YOUR FAULT. You eat 10 cheeseburgers a week and die because your bigger than the door to your house YOUR FAULT... Protect the real victims in this society, not fake ones. Oh, and no.. not like you. I am a real man and wear Cologne and not perfume. Again I say.. You have issues.. Maybe McDonalds issues but holy crap batman you do...
Moonie, I feel bad for your children. How many do you have? Did you raise them by yourself?
Chickens are toxic ....even the kosher ones. Buy free range or organic if need be.
They're less expensive than beef but the corporate chicken hatcheries have poisoned our environment and soured our insides through lowered quality. Just think what the antbiotics and the hormones are doing to the unborn fetus. :o
Hoss, it's difficult governing a child's intake from birth until they reach puberty 24/7. Think of the two hard working household heads coping with that supervision over several children home and away. I know you see the choices aren't many from your post. But we can't blame the poor victims of this dilemma.
I saw a short MSM diet report on soda pop and the salt equivalency in one can equaled the same as several cigarettes to your system. Why its not reported much may explain corporate power over what gets regulated and what does not.
Is the Mayor of New York a bad man for starting a requirement for restaurants posting calories? After all, it means more government regulation....
Quote from: TulsaMoon on June 28, 2011, 09:01:26 PM
I am a real man and wear Cologne and not perfume.
I did not know that was the determining factor.
My cologne drives women crazy. It smells like credit cards.
Moonie, if I die as a result of a nuclear power plants toxins getting into my system, is it my fault because I lived downwind?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on June 28, 2011, 09:11:42 PM
I did not know that was the determining factor.
My cologne drives women crazy. It smells like credit cards.
LOL. It is a determining factor for those threatened by their femininity.
Quote from: Hoss on June 28, 2011, 08:54:12 PM
In my old age (ha 44 is old now)
44 is not old age. Been there, a while ago.
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... which the doctor now tells me he is seeing signs of (hypothyroidism). I still try and be as active as all this allows me, and my bad right knee that can predict weather.
Evidently it's not bad enough to treat yet. I had signs of hypothyroidism for several years. Last summer my doctor put me on medicine to prevent other problems that can be caused by hypothyroidism. My only complaint had been being tired a lot. No excuse, go burn those calories. There has to be something compatible with your bad knee. Good luck!
Quote from: RecycleMichael on June 28, 2011, 09:11:42 PM
My cologne drives women crazy. It smells like credit cards.
So you are surrounded by crazy women?
Quote from: Red Arrow on June 28, 2011, 09:17:16 PM
44 is not old age. Been there, a while ago.
Evidently it's not bad enough to treat yet. I had signs of hypothyroidism for several years. Last summer my doctor put me on medicine to prevent other problems that can be caused by hypothyroidism. My only complaint had been being tired a lot. No excuse, go burn those calories. There has to be something compatible with your bad knee. Good luck!
Photowalking! Did that Saturday and spent a while in the sun (forehead sunburnt because of it, no hat at the time). I was tired..more from the heat than anything else.
Plus I make a habit of walking the stairs everyday at work. Just one flight, but I probably walk them now three or four times daily.
My problem as well (being tired) but it's usually after I wake up and if I get out and do something right off that usually goes away within 30 minutes or so. Doctor explained it to me as some sort of hormone that gets generated when you get active. Plus I've had horrible headaches this spring waking up in the mornings, that the doc has attributed to my sinuses and allergies. Worst I've had in years.
Yes. I am surounded by crazy women. It is both a blessing and a curse.
Quote from: Hoss on June 28, 2011, 09:21:03 PM
Photowalking! Did that Saturday and spent a while in the sun (forehead sunburnt because of it, no hat at the time). I was tired..more from the heat than anything else.
The recent heat is enough to beat anyone down. It's probably a good thing and helps prevent heat exhaustion. Use sunblock. One of my friends hates the stuff and has had several face and hand chemical skin peels because of it. Believe me, you don't want to do that.
Good for you for doing what you can. I generally walk about 2 miles during my weekday lunch breaks. I don't go if it's raining or way too cold and windy or hot and humid. I'll go for my walk if the temp is below about 90 and the dewpoint is less than 70. I'll accept up to 72 dewpoint if the temperature is lower or a bit higher temp if the dewpoint is down in the low 60s.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on June 28, 2011, 09:26:20 PM
Yes. I am surounded by crazy women. It is both a blessing and a curse.
Did you watch Monk on TV too?
Quote from: Teatownclown on June 28, 2011, 09:15:40 PM
Moonie, if I die as a result of a nuclear power plants toxins getting into my system, is it my fault because I lived downwind?
Yes, you are acutely aware of the real and imagined dangers of a nuclear power plant and should live nowhere near where you could possibly be harmed. Do your homework.
Quote from: Teatownclown on June 28, 2011, 09:10:00 PM
Moonie, I feel bad for your children. How many do you have? Did you raise them by yourself?
Of course I do. Well educated, successful and contributing factors to our society. Now, if you would have been mine there would have been a bathtub accident. People like you can only insult and attack people and their family's... For the third time ( lets make it 4 ! ) you have issues.
Quote from: Red Arrow on June 28, 2011, 09:29:45 PM
The recent heat is enough to beat anyone down. It's probably a good thing and helps prevent heat exhaustion. Use sunblock. One of my friends hates the stuff and has had several face and hand chemical skin peels because of it. Believe me, you don't want to do that.
Good for you for doing what you can. I generally walk about 2 miles during my weekday lunch breaks. I don't go if it's raining or way too cold and windy or hot and humid. I'll go for my walk if the temp is below about 90 and the dewpoint is less than 70. I'll accept up to 72 dewpoint if the temperature is lower or a bit higher temp if the dewpoint is down in the low 60s.
Good thing about where I work is that I still have to get up frequently enough to walk far away enough that I know I'm walking at least 1.5 miles a day (I used to have a phone with a pedometer in it that told me what I was averaging during the week). We have sections of the building I have to go to on the complete other side of the complex. I wish I could bike again; but my right knee allows me about 1 full mile before I start feeling it. I can walk probably 5 miles, but I've been rather fortunate. For as big a guy as I am, my legs are still quite strong.
I usually try and get my walking away from work in towards sunset. Plus, if I'm traveling with Mom (took her to Garden Ridge on Sunday) then I'm also pushing her wheelchair. Garden Ridge is huge. We were up there for about an hour, and hauling the chair out of the trunk, wheeling her around, then hauling it back in was another workout. It sounds trivial, but that chair weighs about 60 pounds.
Quote from: Hoss on June 28, 2011, 10:16:45 PM
Good thing about where I work is that I still have to get up frequently enough to walk far away enough that I know I'm walking at least 1.5 miles a day...
When I worked at the Cherokee Industrial Park, the facility was big enough that the standing joke was that getting coffee or going to the rest room was part of the company physical fitness program.
Quote from: TulsaMoon on June 28, 2011, 10:09:43 PM
Of course I do. Well educated, successful and contributing factors to our society. Now, if you would have been mine there would have been a bathtub accident. People like you can only insult and attack people and their family's... For the third time ( lets make it 4 ! ) you have issues.
I asked. I didn't attack. You seem to take things personally if you were insulted by my questions. Don't assume what's not there. People who bully and threaten have bigger issues than mine...
Quote from: Teatownclown on June 28, 2011, 09:10:00 PM
Moonie, I feel bad for your children. How many do you have? Did you raise them by yourself?
Let me put that quote out there just one more time..... Where in the " I feel bad for your children" was a question??
You are a complete attacker and name caller. When someone calls you out all you have is that, name calling. Did I take it personal when you involved my kids? Hell yes I did. Your a joke that used to be funny.
fat people should just called their big mac "medicine" and everything would be cool ...relax,Moonie.
Quote from: Hoss on June 28, 2011, 10:16:45 PM
Good thing about where I work is that I still have to get up frequently enough to walk far away enough that I know I'm walking at least 1.5 miles a day (I used to have a phone with a pedometer in it that told me what I was averaging during the week). We have sections of the building I have to go to on the complete other side of the complex. I wish I could bike again; but my right knee allows me about 1 full mile before I start feeling it. I can walk probably 5 miles, but I've been rather fortunate. For as big a guy as I am, my legs are still quite strong.
I usually try and get my walking away from work in towards sunset. Plus, if I'm traveling with Mom (took her to Garden Ridge on Sunday) then I'm also pushing her wheelchair. Garden Ridge is huge. We were up there for about an hour, and hauling the chair out of the trunk, wheeling her around, then hauling it back in was another workout. It sounds trivial, but that chair weighs about 60 pounds.
Bike fit can make a huge difference. I can go from having a string of horrible rides due to lower back pain which gets into my sciatic nerve to sudden improvement with a 1/4" adjustment to the seat post, moving the seat fore or aft, or even changing the seat angle. Same goes for the knees, most likely a seat height adjustment might do wonders for your knee. Of course, if you've got a lot of soft tissue tears or spurs floating around in there, no amount adjustment would help.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 28, 2011, 11:20:56 PM
Bike fit can make a huge difference. I can go from having a string of horrible rides due to lower back pain which gets into my sciatic nerve to sudden improvement with a 1/4" adjustment to the seat post, moving the seat fore or aft, or even changing the seat angle. Same goes for the knees, most likely a seat height adjustment might do wonders for your knee. Of course, if you've got a lot of soft tissue tears or spurs floating around in there, no amount adjustment would help.
Old soccer injury from high school. I had surgery on it in Texas after I got married (minimally invasive arthro) and it felt better for a time, but as I got older I started feeling it again. I may try and take up rollerblading again (a friend and I every Friday did it up and down Riverside back in the mid nineties) since that is not as high a knee impact. It still strains it, but your ankles bear the brunt of rollerblading...
Quote from: Teatownclown on June 28, 2011, 11:10:36 PM
fat people should just called their big mac "medicine" and everything would be cool ...relax,Moonie.
Or people could actually take repsonsibilites for their own choices.
Quote from: Teatownclown on June 28, 2011, 10:41:59 PM
I asked. I didn't attack. You seem to take things personally if you were insulted by my questions. Don't assume what's not there. People who bully and threaten have bigger issues than mine...
Look in the mirror you friggin hypocrite....
Quote from: custosnox on June 29, 2011, 12:08:04 AM
Or people could actually take repsonsibilites for their own choices.
Are you still living in the 20th Century?
Quote from: Conan71 on June 28, 2011, 11:20:56 PM
Bike fit can make a huge difference. I can go from having a string of horrible rides due to lower back pain which gets into my sciatic nerve to sudden improvement with a 1/4" adjustment to the seat post, moving the seat fore or aft, or even changing the seat angle. Same goes for the knees, most likely a seat height adjustment might do wonders for your knee. Of course, if you've got a lot of soft tissue tears or spurs floating around in there, no amount adjustment would help.
You are at the age where you should be stretching those hammies daily for many minutes. Back pain's the worst. ALWAYS keep your knees bent when stretching. Most people do not realize the importance of a long back while forward bending to stretch those areas. To help sciatica, try the splits with a cushion under your yeng yang. Seriously, whenever I feel a tinge of nerve pinching I get a bolster and do the best at a symmetrical splits along the floor. It's the only stretch I have found that alleviates that screaming discomfort from the sciatic.
The best thing you can do is get off the computer. Sitting on your hamstrings is the worst you can do for your back.
Quote from: Teatownclown on June 29, 2011, 09:29:27 AM
You are at the age where you should be stretching those hammies daily for many minutes. Back pain's the worst. ALWAYS keep your knees bent when stretching. Most people do not realize the importance of a long back while forward bending to stretch those areas. To help sciatica, try the splits with a cushion under your yeng yang. Seriously, whenever I feel a tinge of nerve pinching I get a bolster and do the best at a symmetrical splits along the floor. It's the only stretch I have found that alleviates that screaming discomfort from the sciatic.
The best thing you can do is get off the computer. Sitting on your hamstrings is the worst you can do for your back.
He's had to work for a living he doesn't need to stretch....
Same here. My work was so stressful that when I quit doing what I had for 30 years the back loosened up.
Now BB, yours is all shriveled up so there would be no sense in trying to stretch it.
Quote from: Teatownclown on June 29, 2011, 11:20:35 AM
Same here. My work was so stressful that when I quit doing what I had for 30 years the back loosened up.
Now BB, yours is all shriveled up so there would be no sense in trying to stretch it.
Being a Stoner..Libtard and going to concerts aint work.....
Quote from: Breadburner on June 29, 2011, 11:32:35 AM
Being a Stoner..Libtard and going to concerts aint work.....
You buy stories?....don't believe the lies, burner.
I feel strongly about this: exercise the sollution to many of the problems above, it doesn't need to be rigourous exertion but it needs to be regular exertion.
Humans are not meant to sit in one place, we need to be active and moving. Americans move from the work or school chair to the car chair to the TV chair and we are exhausted by the effort. We need to get up and enjoy what is outside of our door...any excuse not to is a cop out, plain and simple. Even people that are confined to wheelchairs can and do get exercise (many of them get more activity than people whose legs work). Americans need to turn off the TV and the computer and the gaming system and the smart phone and walk, bike or run somewhere. Until we do no amount of diet moderation will cure our ills. Exercise has been shown to fight obesity, hypertension, senility, heart disease, stress, aching joints, etcetera etcetera ad nauseum (even nausea) and to increase self confidence and self perception.
Stop crying about what is on TV...turn off the TV and go for a walk.
WERD to H20dude whom I ran past whilst he was running...looking good for a super hero AM.