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Huntsman. Though his VP pick might make me eat the shotgun, finally.
It would not be anyone who has declared they are running for President, that's for sure. I'm not willing to vote for anyone who is willing to debase themselves by parroting tea partyist talking points. I'm sure there is some admirable old guard Republican out there who has chosen not to do so, but I don't know who that would be. Most of those sorts are now Democrats. (much to the annoyance of the lefty leftists)
Blake Ewing
You have 9 announced candidates (drones)...and several stooges on the sideline.
It's going to be Romney/Huntsman. Two Mormons are better than one.
I agree with Nate. The lesser of all evils is still evil. 8)
I will bet you neither Romney nor Huntsman will be the republican nominee for Presdent next year.
You get them and I get the rest of the looney bin.
Loser buy the winners steaks.
I vote for people who make pizza
Quote from: RecycleMichael on June 27, 2011, 01:37:28 PM
I will bet you neither Romney nor Huntsman will be the republican nominee for Presdent next year.
You get them and I get the rest of the looney bin.
Loser buy the winners steaks.
Good. Deal. Bachman would be the beneficiary of the Mormon split. We want her. She's not doable.
Quote from: sgrizzle on June 27, 2011, 01:37:46 PM
I vote for people who make pizza
That be the black guy....he may make dough, but his party can't fit the idea into their square thinking.
Anyone but Bush!
Wow! Teatown, glad you got all of the standard Liberal sexist, raciest, and religious stereotypes out of the way early in this thread.
For us of a conservative nature the choice is relatively easy. All we have to do is compare political philosophy, track record, and experience to President Obama. In each of these comparisons with the 9 players, President Obama scores very poorly.
Even with a majority in the House and Senate for two years, all that could be accomplished was a mountain of old spending from the bottom of David Obey desk drawer wrapped up in a bow labeled "Stimulus", and the hydra that is Obamacare. Sure there was Cash for Clunkers, and various temporary bailouts, but nothing real or lasting. All the while, the country slipped deeper and deeper in debt, as the private sector sat still revving its engine.
It seems like we will be delivered a Romney/Bachman ticket. Plenty of holes for the Starbucks crowd throw stones at, but with enough common sense and business acumen to focus on economic issues and turn the economy around.
We aren't thrilled with messianic figures, slogans or logos. We don't get thrills up our legs or faint at the sight of our candidates. In fact, we don't really trust politicians at all. They are our employees, not our rulers. A necessary position filled with unfortunate responsibility. Our admiration for the office of President of The United States is as much in pity for its occupant as in honor of their willingness to serve.
As the unofficial leader of Leftern thought on this forum, I would be interested in knowing exactly what you are looking for in a candidate?
I voted for Obama, but if the election were today, I would vote for Huntsman. But,,, its a loooong time till election day.
Quote from: TheArtist on June 27, 2011, 02:12:39 PM
I voted for Obama, but if the election were today, I would vote for Huntsman. But,,, its a loooong time till election day.
Exactly. Why do we have to vote 16 months before the election actually takes place?
At this point, I'd vote for Herman Cain. He's black enough to be president. (Before anyone tears into me about a racist comment, anyone remember the comment by DNC handlers that Obama was white enough?) Seriously. I like his business acumen, he doesn't invoke his religion at every turn, and he understands what it takes to inspire confidence in business since he's actually hired and fired people.
I'd seriously love to see where the vote would go if black America realizes nothing has improved for them under the Obama administration. It might seriously be a turning point in the GOP sending a message of self-empowerment rather than more chump change being thrown at them for their vote.
As far as the reality of the ticket, I say Romney and he will pull a wild card out of the House or Senate for a running mate. The ONLY way I could see him picking Bachman for a running mate is A) if her numbers are still as good in the primaries as her polling was in Iowa or B) He intends to throw the WH back to Obama for four more years to ensure a complete GOP shellacking in 2016 of the WH and both houses of legislature.
John McCain
Joe Lieberman
We had the chance and blew it.
But then, John blew it for himself with Palin.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on June 27, 2011, 03:00:25 PM
John McCain
Joe Lieberman
We had the chance and blew it.
But then, John blew it for himself with Palin.
He lost some swing votes, but after eight years of Bush, there was no chance in Hell of McCain winning. He was portrayed as being far too in lockstep with Bush on the wars and economy.
Sad....very, very sad.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 27, 2011, 03:04:05 PM
He lost some swing votes, but after eight years of Bush, there was no chance in Hell of McCain winning. He was portrayed as being far too in lockstep with Bush on the wars and economy.
To be fair, it was McCain himself who portrayed himself that way. He misread the political landscape.
Yeah,...true. He "sold out" in many respects. Should have picked Lieberman as his running mate and told the Teabaggers to shove it. He just didn't quite hold to his convictions/beliefs.
I bet if he got another chance, he wouldn't screw up like that again!
Quote from: Conan71 on June 27, 2011, 02:58:04 PM
At this point, I'd vote for Herman Cain. He's black enough to be president. (Before anyone tears into me about a racist comment, anyone remember the comment by DNC handlers that Obama was white enough?) Seriously. I like his business acumen, he doesn't invoke his religion at every turn, and he understands what it takes to inspire confidence in business since he's actually hired and fired people.
I'd seriously love to see where the vote would go if black America realizes nothing has improved for them under the Obama administration. It might seriously be a turning point in the GOP sending a message of self-empowerment rather than more chump change being thrown at them for their vote.
As far as the reality of the ticket, I say Romney and he will pull a wild card out of the House or Senate for a running mate. The ONLY way I could see him picking Bachman for a running mate is A) if her numbers are still as good in the primaries as her polling was in Iowa or B) He intends to throw the WH back to Obama for four more years to ensure a complete GOP shellacking in 2016 of the WH and both houses of legislature.
I think she will need to be on the ticket because of her raciest tea party support.
Quote from: nathanm on June 27, 2011, 03:07:17 PM
To be fair, it was McCain himself who portrayed himself that way. He misread the political landscape.
The tea party crowd would have us believe that McCain lost because he wasn't far enough to the right. Their influence on the primaries could force out a moderate like Huntsman - who may be a viable candidate in the general election, but will face enormous opposition from the ultra-right in his own party.
Americans are centrists, despite the loud insistence otherwise from the tea partiers, neo-cons, and other marginalized factions.
Quote from: Ed W on June 27, 2011, 04:47:02 PM
The tea party crowd would have us believe that McCain lost because he wasn't far enough to the right. Their influence on the primaries could force out a moderate like Huntsman - who may be a viable candidate in the general election, but will face enormous opposition from the ultra-right in his own party.
Americans are centrists, despite the loud insistence otherwise from the tea partiers, neo-cons, and other marginalized factions.
You forgot to mention hard line liberals as being on the fringe as well.
Anyone have current numbers on what percent of voters call themselves Tea Partiers?
Quote from: Conan71 on June 27, 2011, 05:53:12 PM
You forgot to mention hard line liberals as being on the fringe as well.
Anyone have current numbers on what percent of voters call themselves Tea Partiers?
This website from May says about 30 percent, but doesn't specify if it is voters or non-voters. This is just a cursory check, mind you.
http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/profiles/blogs/tea-party-support-plummeting
I think that 30% must be including a lot of people who have some sympathy to certain items on their agenda - like me. I like some of the things said, but the mass of the stuff is just noise without an actual plan (rational or even non0-rational), or recognition of reality.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on June 27, 2011, 08:10:02 PM
I think that 30% must be including a lot of people who have some sympathy to certain items on their agenda - like me. I like some of the things said, but the mass of the stuff is just noise without an actual plan (rational or even non0-rational), or recognition of reality.
That may be the biggest problem they have: no unified message so it really does leave it open for others to criticize them as being looney or fringers.
For instance: I'm a huge 2nd Amendment advocate. But I think showing up at campaign rallies bearing arms is a dumbass provocative move. Those people are the Code Pink of the right.
With no cohesive, unified message, people are free to simply believe the whole movement is comprised of gun-toting neanderthals who want to shoot liberals.
All this said, if truly 30% of all politically-active Americans consider themselves Tea Partiers, they are hardly fringers. My understanding is they are composed of Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, and Democrats.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 27, 2011, 11:47:23 PM
All this said, if truly 30% of all politically-active Americans consider themselves Tea Partiers, they are hardly fringers. My understanding is they are composed of Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, and Democrats.
Total fringers.....racists all.....
What I was getting at was that they really aren't anywhere near 30%. There are only about 8 or 9 million people in Oklahoma, Idaho, and Georgia. And not all of those are tea baggers, so even if we count all of them, that's only about 3% of the population. Let's pad it by a factor of 3 or 4 to make it like typical crowd estimation techniques, and we are left with about 10 to 12% tops.
Since Herman Cain's offense was brought up, let's let Mr. Stewart respond:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-28-2011/oh--for-fox-sake---who-s-the-biggest-a--hole-?xrs=share_copy
(I'd embed, but apparently I'm not allowed to use the flash tag, despite the button being there)
Now THAT'S funny!!!
Like he doesn't imitate voices ALL the time!
And NO one has picked up on how he got into the story...the d**do wheel!
That's the [simulated male privates] wheel to you, buster! ;D
I wonder if the filter would catch that and do anything with it?