DOWNWIND WE BE!
http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/sunflower_kdhe/
"Tell Attorney General Derek Schmidt to launch a corruption and misconduct investigation into the permitting process for the dirty Holcomb coal plant."
Oklahoma's government is a bunch of morons and the proof lies in the fact they are doing nothing to protect us from dirty air.
Not in the summer, besides, Holcomb is way out west, nothing but steers & queers out there.
And as far as our state not looking out for our air quality, Chesapeake Energy strongarmed the corporation commission the State of Oklahoma shot down the new coal fired plant out near Ponca City a few years back.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 23, 2011, 11:59:06 AM
Not in the summer, besides, Holcomb is way out west, nothing but steers & queers out there.
And as far as our state not looking out for our air quality, Chesapeake Energy strongarmed the corporation commission the State of Oklahoma shot down the new coal fired plant out near Ponca City a few years back.
You don't think the jet stream will blow it down here? WRONG.
The State of Oklahoma does not have sovereignty over the State of Kansas, so why does this make the State of Oklahoma a bunch of morons? I'm simply not following.
This becomes a Federal EPA permitting issue beyond that.
While you are at it, see if you can get rid of the beef packing industry in Dodge and Garden, that's a lot of greenhouse gasses being pushed down this way by the jet stream.
Couldn't our AG do something? The State of Oklahoma needs to be proactive and get the EPA involved...wait a minute. You're right. Inhofe, Sullivan, Cole, Coburn, Boren...never mind. And Dreamer, I don't mind the smell from manure. Never seems to bother my lungs like smog does.
Quote from: Teatownclown on June 23, 2011, 12:47:14 PM
Couldn't our AG do something? The State of Oklahoma needs to be proactive and get the EPA involved...wait a minute. You're right. Inhofe, Sullivan, Cole, Coburn, Boren...never mind. And Dreamer, I don't mind the smell from manure. Never seems to bother my lungs like smog does.
It's possible, considering Edomonson's poultry suit as an example. If it's of concern, I'd suggest a call, email, or letter to AG Pruitt's office. I'm still not sure though that if a neighboring state has different air standards whether or not there's a basis to file suit unless it can be proved it does not meet federal air quality standards.
I've worked with the permitting process before and I've got a project in Wyoming on hold right now dealing with the Wyoming DEQ, so I've got some experience in how these things work. States can set their own air quality limits so long as they are not less lax than US EPA guidelines. There are some exceptions in non-attainment areas where the EPA has mandated ultra low emissions from combustion which would supercede state law.
I read the KC Star article and there seems to be some unnecessary hand-wringing over the "cozy" relationship between Sunflower and the Ks. DEQ. The applicant typically is charged with answering the concerns and questions to the regulating authority and it's not at all unusual for an applicant to become pretty familiar or be on a friendly basis with the regulating agency as it's a long process, whether it's a large power plant or small asphalt transfer terminal. For some reason this was interpreted as being nefarious when the answers they speak of were quite likely issued by environmental engineers who would have been hired by Sunflower to aid with the permitting process. Yes the enviro engineers are paid by the applicant, however, they have to ensure that any and all equipment which is proposed to be installed MUST meet local, state, and federal standards.
Personally, it doesn't sound like the additional capacity is needed right now and wind farms could be very viable out there.
Quote from: Teatownclown on June 23, 2011, 12:07:51 PM
You don't think the jet stream will blow it down here?
The jet stream is a hoax....
;)
Quote from: patric on June 23, 2011, 02:28:28 PM
The jet stream is a hoax....
;)
Try telling that to the jets...
:o
Quote from: Hoss on June 23, 2011, 02:34:17 PM
Try telling that to the jets...
:o
Jets? Why is it always the damn Jets and not the Giants?
Quote from: Conan71 on June 23, 2011, 03:28:18 PM
Jets? Why is it always the damn Jets and not the Giants?
Those of us from New Jersey are happy to have them both. NY can suck East River water.
Quote from: Teatownclown on June 23, 2011, 12:47:14 PM
I don't mind the smell from manure.
I think that helps explain a lot.
:D
Another tragedy slowly evolving into a nightmare....anyone here own property near this tar creek runoff? Filthy. I'll always cherish my Grand Lake memories before it decayed.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110625/us_ac/8696821_the_american_police_state_is_the_new_normal
Algae found in water at Grand Lake may be dangerousDEQ issues Grand Lake algae warning
By RANDY KREHBIEL World Staff Writer
Published: 6/25/2011 2:08 AM
Last Modified: 6/25/2011 5:16 AM
BERNICE - The presence of a potentially dangerous algae caused the Oklahoma Department of Environmental Quality to warn people away from the water at Bernice State Park on Grand Lake on Friday until further notice.
The DEQ issued the warning after tests by the Grand River Dam Authority's water lab confirmed cyanobacteria - commonly known as blue-green algae - in the waters near the park and in portions of Horse Creek and Duck Creek.
Blue-green algae are microscopic organisms that are naturally present in lakes and streams. Most are relatively benign, but some blue-green algae blooms produce toxins capable of causing stomach cramps, diarrhea, vomiting, headache, fever, muscle weakness and difficulty breathing.
The algae grow rapidly in shallow water that is subject to bright sun.
Results of tests to determine the toxin level of the blue-green algae at Bernice will not be available until next week, authorities said.
"In the interest of public safety, we are just asking lake users to be careful and vigilant," said GRDA Corporate Communications Director Justin Alberty. "Our Ecosystems Department's monitoring efforts are ongoing, but we ask for the public's help in that regard. If you see areas of the lake where you believe blue-green algae is present, please contact GRDA."
Blue-green algae might look like thick pea soup, green paint, or bluish, brownish or reddish-green paint. When it washes up on shore, it may appear to look like a thick green mat that falls apart when handled.
The more common green algae are stringy and made up of grass-green strands. Green algae are harmless.
Anyone spotting blue-green algae is encouraged to contact the GRDA Ecosystems Department at 918-256-0723, jjaggars@grda.com, or the DEQ at 800-522-0206.
Grand is about 90% beer pi$$.
Exceeded only by the Illinois River. They ought to allow them to float flags with their brand names on the river or at least sell the naming rights to Budweiser.
Quote from: Teatownclown on June 26, 2011, 02:51:28 PM
Another tragedy slowly evolving into a nightmare....anyone here own property near this tar creek runoff? Filthy. I'll always cherish my Grand Lake memories before it decayed.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110625/us_ac/8696821_the_american_police_state_is_the_new_normal
Algae found in water at Grand Lake may be dangerousDEQ issues Grand Lake algae warning
By RANDY KREHBIEL World Staff Writer
Published: 6/25/2011 2:08 AM
Last Modified: 6/25/2011 5:16 AM
BERNICE - The presence of a potentially dangerous algae caused the Oklahoma Department of Environmental Quality to warn people away from the water at Bernice State Park on Grand Lake on Friday until further notice.
The DEQ issued the warning after tests by the Grand River Dam Authority's water lab confirmed cyanobacteria - commonly known as blue-green algae - in the waters near the park and in portions of Horse Creek and Duck Creek.
Blue-green algae are microscopic organisms that are naturally present in lakes and streams. Most are relatively benign, but some blue-green algae blooms produce toxins capable of causing stomach cramps, diarrhea, vomiting, headache, fever, muscle weakness and difficulty breathing.
The algae grow rapidly in shallow water that is subject to bright sun.
Results of tests to determine the toxin level of the blue-green algae at Bernice will not be available until next week, authorities said.
"In the interest of public safety, we are just asking lake users to be careful and vigilant," said GRDA Corporate Communications Director Justin Alberty. "Our Ecosystems Department's monitoring efforts are ongoing, but we ask for the public's help in that regard. If you see areas of the lake where you believe blue-green algae is present, please contact GRDA."
Blue-green algae might look like thick pea soup, green paint, or bluish, brownish or reddish-green paint. When it washes up on shore, it may appear to look like a thick green mat that falls apart when handled.
The more common green algae are stringy and made up of grass-green strands. Green algae are harmless.
Anyone spotting blue-green algae is encouraged to contact the GRDA Ecosystems Department at 918-256-0723, jjaggars@grda.com, or the DEQ at 800-522-0206.
Lead and Zink run-off would have little to do with algae blooms. If anything, heavy metals tend to kill microorganisms like that. Chances are, there were a lot more toxins in the water up there 30-40 years ago.
Likely septic tanks or direct drainage of household pollutants into the lake. We had a cabin on Grand back in the 60's-70's. Not a lot of green thinking at that time on the lake.
That Rupert Murdoch is the biggest monster in the world! Lest we forget that the larger frame of political conversation is being shaped elsewhere....by a viscous and mean spirited foreigner who uses his network to lie, deceive and manipulate the truth.
I will remind everyone, when you walk into a public facility and the tube has FOX NEWS on....WALK OUT! AND TELL THEM WHY>
I guess nobody knows and nobody on TNF cares about anarchy directed by foreigners onto our shores. But you sure get annoyed with the hispanics helping out on farms and in homes.
An amazingly stupid country America has become because of Murdoch and his GOP farm club.
I just....... nevermind.
DB, good....I never did mind ....but questioned authority. Too many sheeples here at TNF.
MORE! http://www.politicsplus.org/blog/?p=5387
HA! Hack into the USA!
Shouldn't the boys club here be jumping in to defend Rupert and his evil empire?
You're on your own Clown.
Great, the Olbermann & Gore view of the world. 8) I fail to see how Algore and Murdoch are any different. Each feeds their own coffers and agendas with their own spin machines. Only difference is, Gore will get bored with his nitwork or his backers will give up funding it due to lack of commercial interest just like the failed Airhead America.
Quote from: dbacks fan on July 14, 2011, 01:47:37 PM
You're on your own Clown.
Always have been.... unlike so many FOX co dependents here at TNF.... ;D
Quote from: Conan71 on July 14, 2011, 01:48:42 PM
Great, the Olbermann & Gore view of the world. 8) I fail to see how Algore and Murdoch are any different. Each feeds their own coffers and agendas with their own spin machines. Only difference is, Gore will get bored with his nitwork or his backers will give up funding it due to lack of commercial interest just like the failed Airhead America.
Please COCO, display how Al Gore has done anything criminal. GMAFB!
Quote from: Teatownclown on July 14, 2011, 01:50:37 PM
Please COCO, display how Al Gore has done anything criminal. GMAFB!
Aside from massive fraud?
What is it that Rupert has done that's criminal, aside from giving Sean Hannity permanent employment?
Quote from: Conan71 on July 14, 2011, 01:51:59 PM
Aside from massive fraud?
What is it that Rupert has done that's criminal, aside from giving Sean Hannity permanent employment?
You've obviously NOT been paying attention. Please tell us of this "massive fraud." You talking sweat....er, climate change? :(
Quote from: Teatownclown on July 14, 2011, 01:53:41 PM
You've obviously NOT been paying attention. Please tell us of this "massive fraud." You talking sweat....er, climate change? :(
Global warming climate change,
weather phenomena, nothing based in reality.
And of course, if hypocrisy were a crime, he'd be sitting on death row right now.
Let's hang Al on "ifs" and worship Rupert for manipulating our country's agenda. You go Conan! ???
Come on TeaTown...you are really not helping the liberal cause. You constantly attack the right with extreme blogger facts, then throw the left under the bus if they don't fight with you from the fringe.
You give us liberals a bad name.
Quote from: Teatownclown on July 14, 2011, 03:02:40 PM
Let's hang Al on "ifs" and worship Rupert for manipulating our country's agenda. You go Conan! ???
After billions and billions spent on ever-tightening regulations on American businesses large and small and trying to get the government to sanction emissions credits that enrichen his investments is not manipulating our agenda?
You don't have to tune in to Faux. I don't. They don't taint the agenda any more than Algore's new propaganda channel or the editorialists at MSNBC either.
who farted?
Someone wearing face paint
Quote from: RecycleMichael on July 14, 2011, 03:11:33 PM
Come on TeaTown...you are really not helping the liberal cause. You constantly attack the right with extreme blogger facts, then throw the left under the bus if they don't fight with you from the fringe.
You give us liberals a bad name.
And is a complete a$$ as he does it.
+5
Quote from: Conan71 on July 14, 2011, 03:34:32 PM
After billions and billions spent on ever-tightening regulations on American businesses large and small and trying to get the government to sanction emissions credits that enrichen his investments is not manipulating our agenda?
You don't have to tune in to Faux. I don't. They don't taint the agenda any more than Algore's new propaganda channel or the editorialists at MSNBC either.
There's a culture war going on, Conan...it's easy to see where you fit. What ever tightening regulations? Why were they implemented? Are these the same regulations keeping this country from attaining leadership in new technologies? FOX taints their news with lies...Current doesn't do that. You do have Current.... otherwise you wouldn't say that.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on July 14, 2011, 03:11:33 PM
Come on TeaTown...you are really not helping the liberal cause. You constantly attack the right with extreme blogger facts, then throw the left under the bus if they don't fight with you from the fringe.
You give us liberals a bad name.
You act like Mr. America.
I am hard to categorize especially when you play left right politics. I don't do that. I am a progressive.
This story does not exist! http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201107150036
I can't wait for the FBI to get into this...
Hopefully, this will do FOX in!
http://mediamatters.org/research/201107140013
You can't not know and not care about what's transpiring here!
Quote from: Conan71 on July 14, 2011, 03:34:32 PM
After billions and billions spent on ever-tightening regulations on American businesses large and small and trying to get the government to sanction emissions credits that enrichen his investments is not manipulating our agenda?
You don't have to tune in to Faux. I don't. They don't taint the agenda any more than Algore's new propaganda channel or the editorialists at MSNBC either.
There are some really great shows on Current that have nothing to do with politics. What do you think of them?
Watch Kill it, Cook it, Eat it....very good. And surely you've seen Bar Karma.
http://current.com/shows/hooked-on-danger/
Bryant calls for Murdoch arrest
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2011/07/14/bryant-calls-for-murdoch-arrest
"The Murdochs could be arrested by the deputy serjeant-at-arms and brought to the bar of the House, Chris Bryant has proposed."
JUST DO IT!
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201107170006 This unethical company should be punished.....big time!
MASSIVE WIRETAPPING. IN JAIL SOON, WSJ, BARRON'S, FOX TO BE CLOSED NEXT WEEK! (ha ha)....while not very likely, their stock looks juicy for naked shorting. Still no news on the extent of the US tampering.
Murdoch needs to walk the plank....aiye matie
Quote from: Teatownclown on July 16, 2011, 03:09:41 PM
There are some really great shows on Current that have nothing to do with politics. What do you think of them?
Watch Kill it, Cook it, Eat it....very good. And surely you've seen Bar Karma.
http://current.com/shows/hooked-on-danger/
Like your general distaste for Murdoch, I've got similar for Algore, but I appreciate the tips on the shows.
Can we install a feature: if the same user posts 5 times in a row the thread is just locked down?
AOX/FOTD/Tea is pretty much the only person who does that, and locking down a thread when it gets to that point is probably good for the overall state of the board. In the alternative, maybe we can "sticky" it to the bottom of the list as a sign it is an AOX thread?
/back to my hole
CF, you're going on the notion that participants/watchers @TNF aren't as bright as Sparticuss.... ;D
And CoCo, to place Al Gore and Rupert Murdoch in the same category stretches the truth.....
I would prefer an ignore button like some other sites have to just blank it out.
Apparently, Hacker World War might be breaking out. http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/5305157/New-twist-in-Murdoch-media-scandal
"All of News Corporation's UK sites were taken offline today following an attack on the website of tabloid The Sun, which earlier today was redirecting to a fake story about Rupert Murdoch's death."
When you think of all the devious and unethical behavior that's about to open before our eyes it might just give one major cause for concern.
Now me, I've been hacked right here in River Forum City so it's no biggie. I mean, what could they uncover?
(there, left it open for you....)