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Title: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Breadburner on June 06, 2011, 05:54:17 PM
Mid-Town Subs and building......Going bye bye.......New restraunt going in at that location with roof top seating......
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: ZYX on June 06, 2011, 06:18:50 PM
If the new building is up to the street with parking behind, I will consider it a success.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: DowntownDan on June 06, 2011, 07:31:04 PM
Seems like an odd place for a rooftop patio.  Great view of the IDL?  Also kind on the opposite side of the BA from Cherry Street.  I live right by, so I would definitely give it a shot.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: AquaMan on June 06, 2011, 09:47:08 PM
Its not the IDL view that is great. Its the sun setting behind the skyline. Maple Park also has a stunning view at sunset.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Breadburner on June 06, 2011, 10:27:09 PM
Quote from: AquaMan on June 06, 2011, 09:47:08 PM
Its not the IDL view that is great. Its the sun setting behind the skyline. Maple Park also has a stunning view at sunset.

Bingoooo...!!!!!
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: carltonplace on June 07, 2011, 08:12:56 AM
Quote from: Breadburner on June 06, 2011, 05:54:17 PM
Mid-Town Subs and building......Going bye bye.......New restraunt going in at that location with roof top seating......

That's great!!! There is a lot of activity 13th to 15th on Peoria right now. I hope the new restaurant fronts to the street.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Kenosha on June 07, 2011, 11:04:59 AM
Japanese (not sushi).  Two story structure.

And the views of downtown from that site are amazing.  I wish I had that piece of property.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: rdj on June 07, 2011, 11:08:46 AM
Didn't the "Kitchen Korner" just move there from downtown?  I believe a church bought his building downtown, but not positive.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Kenosha on June 07, 2011, 11:19:33 AM
IDK, but they were near First United Methodist, who seems to be in the buying mode.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: patric on June 07, 2011, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: Kenosha on June 07, 2011, 11:04:59 AM
Japanese (not sushi).  Two story structure.

And the views of downtown from that site are amazing.  I wish I had that piece of property.

(http://www.southparkstudios.com/download/wallpaper/season-15/1506/1506_city-sushi_1024x768.jpg)
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: SXSW on June 07, 2011, 05:22:00 PM
Quote from: ZYX on June 06, 2011, 06:18:50 PM
If the new building is up to the street with parking behind, I will consider it a success.

Hopefully this is the case.  I thought that site would be developed into modern condos overlooking the skyline by now..
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: AngieB on June 07, 2011, 05:57:02 PM
If I remember correctly, in the late 80s, Chimi's owned that land behind there and planned on building a new place with rooftop seating and views on the property. They ended up selling it to a developer that built that small housing development there. It would have been good for Chimi's to have been there...

At least that's what I remember...but it was the 80s, so..well, you know...
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: SXSW on June 07, 2011, 09:18:33 PM
I biked by there and noticed there is also an empty lot behind the Midtown subs building.  I wonder if that is part of the property?  Even if it isn't there is plenty of room for a Peoria-facing building with parking behind to the west.  There's also an empty lot to the south by the dead end 14th Pl next to Whataburger.

Down Peoria to the north are the newly remodeled buildings at 13th where Eats2U is located and a building at 12th that is being renovated and will be the new home of Phat Philly's. 
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: rdj on June 07, 2011, 10:55:22 PM
I drove by tonight and didn't notice any demolition.  Maybe it was the Franzikaner I had at Kilkenny's that distorted my perception. :)
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: carltonplace on June 08, 2011, 08:52:56 AM
Quote from: SXSW on June 07, 2011, 05:22:00 PM
Hopefully this is the case.  I thought that site would be developed into modern condos overlooking the skyline by now..

Yea and those great old apartments on the east side of Peoria should be in pristine shape and commanding top dollar with the that view. I've been in some of them and they are huge for an apartment with great hardwood floors. Cant understand why the owner lets them get so run down.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Conan71 on June 08, 2011, 09:18:10 AM
Okay, I'm having a hard time picturing where this building is.  Someone help
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: ZYX on June 08, 2011, 09:30:16 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 08, 2011, 09:18:10 AM
Okay, I'm having a hard time picturing where this building is.  Someone help

Google Maps puts it just south of fourteenth on Peoria.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: carltonplace on June 08, 2011, 09:53:41 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 08, 2011, 09:18:10 AM
Okay, I'm having a hard time picturing where this building is.  Someone help

Just south of the Midland Valley Trail at Peoria.

Highway bridge -> Trail -> empty lot -> *!Midtown subs!* <- Kitchen Corner <- Whataburger <- A&W <-15th St.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Conan71 on June 08, 2011, 10:14:04 AM
Many thanks.  Yep, that should have spectacular sunset views.  Not quite the same as sunset from a rowing shell on the river, but nice nonetheless.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: AquaMan on June 08, 2011, 04:20:33 PM
You are so right. Nothing, but nothing (in Tulsa) beats the many views of the sun setting with the river in the foreground and the skyline in the background. I prefer looking from the West on the river with the refinery lights to the right, Newblock to the left and the (UFO)Arena appearing to land in front of the skyline as thousands of birds swirl around waiting their chance to land on the power lines crossing the river.

The view from Zink lake includes the multiple arches of the 23rd street bridge, Sophian Plaza and the hypodermic building (for comic relief).

We are in a small group who have had that privilege.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Townsend on June 08, 2011, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: AquaMan on June 08, 2011, 04:20:33 PM


We are in a small group who have had that privilege.

Each time I wait for the rescue boat to launch for me I take a moment to appreciate the view.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: dsjeffries on June 08, 2011, 04:35:28 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 08, 2011, 09:18:10 AM
Okay, I'm having a hard time picturing where this building is.  Someone help

We had a TNF lunch there last spring. If you had come, you'd know where it is  ;). I'm a rendering fanatic, so I can't wait to see these plans. I really hope it turns out to be a signature restaurant. We don't really have many true signature restaurants anymore, and from the very little we know about this, it has potential.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: AquaMan on June 08, 2011, 05:00:13 PM
Quote from: Townsend on June 08, 2011, 04:24:43 PM
Each time I wait for the rescue boat to launch for me I take a moment to appreciate the view.

Was that you and your friend, naked, passed out on the sand bar east of Newblock Park last summer?

Not part of the view I had envisioned that day......
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Townsend on June 08, 2011, 05:01:51 PM
Quote from: AquaMan on June 08, 2011, 05:00:13 PM
Was that you and your friend, naked, passed out on the sand bar east of Newblock Park last summer?

Not part of the view I had envisioned that day......

I meant to say thanks for the SPF 70.  Life saver.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Conan71 on June 09, 2011, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: AquaMan on June 08, 2011, 04:20:33 PM
You are so right. Nothing, but nothing (in Tulsa) beats the many views of the sun setting with the river in the foreground and the skyline in the background. I prefer looking from the West on the river with the refinery lights to the right, Newblock to the left and the (UFO)Arena appearing to land in front of the skyline as thousands of birds swirl around waiting their chance to land on the power lines crossing the river.

The view from Zink lake includes the multiple arches of the 23rd street bridge, Sophian Plaza and the hypodermic building (for comic relief).

We are in a small group who have had that privilege.

And unfortunately, no one seems to be in a hurry to fix the gates on the LWD, so I've still not re-upped on my TRC membership for this year.  Awful hard to row across sand bars.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: rdj on June 09, 2011, 10:14:53 AM
I must be confused.  I drove by this building again yesterday afternoon and didn't see any work going on. Kitchen Korner had some sort of sale banner that indicated they were closing.   ???
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: AquaMan on June 09, 2011, 10:57:44 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 09, 2011, 10:10:46 AM
And unfortunately, no one seems to be in a hurry to fix the gates on the LWD, so I've still not re-upped on my TRC membership for this year.  Awful hard to row across sand bars.

What's exactly wrong with the gates? I've heard them say they were going to fix them or did fix them for several years now. 

I thought the water was low because of upstream drought.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: carltonplace on June 09, 2011, 11:18:48 AM
I heard about a gasket malfunction a few years ago, but I think it was resolved.

Here is the agenda from the May Riverparks Authority Meeting: http://www.riverparks.org/user/documents/AGENDA_0512.pdf (http://www.riverparks.org/user/documents/AGENDA_0512.pdf)

Background Information: Bill Smith, P.E., will give a status report on repairs to Zink Dam's hydraulic system.
Approval will be requested for construction engineering services for the gate cylinders and hydraulic system
repairs.


edited to correct typo
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: rdj on June 09, 2011, 11:56:13 AM
Tulsa World reports River Parks Authority will spend $102k to repair Zink dam.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Kenosha on June 09, 2011, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: dsjeffries on June 08, 2011, 04:35:28 PM
We had a TNF lunch there last spring. If you had come, you'd know where it is  ;). I'm a rendering fanatic, so I can't wait to see these plans. I really hope it turns out to be a signature restaurant. We don't really have many true signature restaurants anymore, and from the very little we know about this, it has potential.

Freese Architecture is the designer.  Therefore, it will probably end up being quite modern...

And yes, parking is not on the frontage of the building.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: carltonplace on June 09, 2011, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Kenosha on June 09, 2011, 01:43:50 PM
Freese Architecture is the designer.  Therefore, it will probably end up being quite modern...

And yes, parking is not on the frontage of the building.

Cool
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Townsend on June 09, 2011, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: rdj on June 09, 2011, 11:56:13 AM
Tulsa World reports River Parks Authority will spend $102k to repair Zink dam.

Per the World:

QuoteThe River Parks Authority Board of Trustees voted Thursday to spend up to $102,140 to repair or replace six gate cylinders in the Zink Dam near 31st Street and Riverside Drive.

The dam includes three gates, only one of which is fully operable.

The repairs will be paid for with a $50,000 donation from AEP-PSO. The city of Tulsa has designated another $50,000 for the repairs in its proposed 2012 budget.

The remaining $2,140 will come out of River Parks' contingency fund.

Work on the repairs is expected to begin within a couple of weeks and will take between three and four months.

Officials said the cost of the project could increase if many of the cylinders need to be replaced.

Zink Dam was completed in the early 1980s. 

Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20110609_11_0_RiverP959231
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: ZYX on June 09, 2011, 09:32:35 PM
Quote from: Kenosha on June 09, 2011, 01:43:50 PM
Freese Architecture is the designer.  Therefore, it will probably end up being quite modern...

And yes, parking is not on the frontage of the building.

That's great news. Putting parking in the back will help continue the Cherry Street feel further north. I can't wait to see renderings. Any idea on the starting date?

Now if only the Long John Silver's and Whataburger weren't there. Then we could continue developing Cherry Street further east. This is why we really need a new zoning code implemented fast. We cannot afford to have our up and coming urban areas ruined with short-sighted suburban development.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Kenosha on June 10, 2011, 12:46:06 AM
MMMM.

What-a-Burger.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: rdj on June 10, 2011, 09:33:46 AM
Quote from: Kenosha on June 10, 2011, 12:46:06 AM
MMMM.

What-a-Burger.

I thought the same thing.

Also, don't slight A&W.  They share a space with Long John's!
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: TheTed on June 10, 2011, 11:32:15 AM
I know it's suburban style, but at least you can go get some post-bar Whataburger without driving. Their lobby stays open 24/7. I can't think of any other fast food joint like that. For Tulsa standards, I'd call it pedestrian friendly.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: OurTulsa on June 16, 2011, 07:56:10 PM
Word on the streets is this is going to be a really nice contemporary building!  Two stories right up to Peoria - parking on the north and west side.  The modern Japanese restaurant (owner of Fuji but modern take) will have 9K of restaurant on the second floor.  Right now they're planning to put in about 7K of retail/commercial space on the ground floor.  The building's chamfered and oriented so that the restaurant views are maximized to downtown!  It's going to be top notch!  I wouldn't expect any construction until late-late summer at best if not well into the fall.  I did notice clearance sale signs in the windows as I walked by this evening.

This building will really help establish the Peoria Corridor between Cherry St. and the Pearl.     
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: we vs us on June 16, 2011, 10:25:15 PM
Quote from: OurTulsa on June 16, 2011, 07:56:10 PM

This building will really help establish the Peoria Corridor between Cherry St. and the Pearl.     

I really hope so.  Some of those old apartment buildings across Peoria from Whataburger are just awful.  Total pits.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: SXSW on June 18, 2011, 03:04:14 PM
Quote from: we vs us on June 16, 2011, 10:25:15 PM
I really hope so.  Some of those old apartment buildings across Peoria from Whataburger are just awful.  Total pits.

They're beautiful 20's/30's era brick apartment buildings but need a facelift and one needs a new roof.  Those and a few of the buildings behind them on Quaker are still in bad shape.  Cherry Street has seen of lot of gentrification/new development but there are still some holes mixed in with the new/renovated.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: ZYX on June 18, 2011, 03:14:19 PM
Quote from: SXSW on June 18, 2011, 03:04:14 PM
They're beautiful 20's/30's era brick apartment buildings but need a facelift and one needs a new roof.  Those and a few of the buildings behind them on Quaker are still in bad shape.  Cherry Street has seen of lot of gentrification/new development but there are still some holes mixed in with the new/renovated.

Those apartment buildings would be really cool if a developer would purchase them and renovate them. I really hope this could happen within the next two to three years. I just don't understand why they haven't been snagged up yet with all the development on Cherry Street.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: we vs us on June 18, 2011, 05:19:43 PM
Quote from: ZYX on June 18, 2011, 03:14:19 PM
Those apartment buildings would be really cool if a developer would purchase them and renovate them. I really hope this could happen within the next two to three years. I just don't understand why they haven't been snagged up yet with all the development on Cherry Street.

Agreed.  I think they'd be fantastic gut rehabs, but you're right . . . why they're still sitting there slowly losing roofing tiles is beyond me.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: rdj on June 18, 2011, 08:15:56 PM
My guess is you would have to put in some sort of fire suppression system & ADA enhancements.  Those items alone would have potential to make a rehab not make sense from an economic sense.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Red Arrow on June 19, 2011, 10:20:39 AM
Quote from: rdj on June 18, 2011, 08:15:56 PM
My guess is you would have to put in some sort of fire suppression system & ADA enhancements.  Those items alone would have potential to make a rehab not make sense from an economic sense.

Fire suppression would not be inexpensive but my guess is ADA enhancements are a bigger stumbling block for something built in the 20s/30s.  Something relatively simple in new construction such as door widths could be a problem in older buildings.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Conan71 on June 20, 2011, 10:15:59 AM
Quote from: Red Arrow on June 19, 2011, 10:20:39 AM
Fire suppression would not be inexpensive but my guess is ADA enhancements are a bigger stumbling block for something built in the 20s/30s.  Something relatively simple in new construction such as door widths could be a problem in older buildings.

Are there ADA requirements for residential construction?
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: rdj on June 20, 2011, 10:18:12 AM
If a building has more than four units it has to comply with ADA requirements under the Fair Housing Act.  There are some grandfathered aspects and I'm not an expert, but I know it has come into play with older apartment buildings in & around downtown/midtown.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Conan71 on June 20, 2011, 11:52:11 AM
I'm truly curious how places like Elote have been able to completely circumvent ADA.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: SXSW on August 28, 2011, 06:48:59 PM
What's the latest on this project? 
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: we vs us on August 28, 2011, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: SXSW on August 28, 2011, 06:48:59 PM
What's the latest on this project? 

I was thinking about this today, too.  Anyone have an update?
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: SXSW on February 05, 2012, 12:24:10 AM
I noticed today they are starting to demo part of the north end of the parking lot closer to the bike trail.  Hopefully this project is getting underway.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: SXSW on February 23, 2012, 08:39:10 AM
The entire Mid-Town Subs building is now leveled and they have a construction fence up around the site.  I imagine the plans will be officially released soon.  I'm still hearing that it will be an Asian restaurant with a rooftop seating/bar area with parking behind and to the south (closer to Whataburger) with the building fronting Peoria and the adjacent bike trail.  If true the views from that rooftop will be some of the best in Tulsa.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: DowntownDan on February 23, 2012, 10:30:43 AM
I'm surprised it's gone this far without any announcement.  I think it's a great location and would have some good skyline views.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: RecycleMichael on February 23, 2012, 12:19:32 PM
I'm cheering for the trees to grow and block their skyline view. I planted some of them long ago.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Teatownclown on February 23, 2012, 12:23:58 PM
I'll do some research and get back to you....at least it is not another Crack in the Box!
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: sgrizzle on February 23, 2012, 08:56:07 PM
Quote from: Teatownclown on February 23, 2012, 12:23:58 PM
I'll do some research and get back to you....at least it is not another Crack in the Box!

2/$1 Tacos
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Conan71 on February 23, 2012, 10:48:25 PM
Quote from: sgrizzle on February 23, 2012, 08:56:07 PM
2/$1 Tacos

Can't even begin to imagine the poison you get on a .50 taco.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: jacobi on February 24, 2012, 09:02:14 AM
Sorry to pull an older quote from this thread.
QuoteThey're beautiful 20's/30's era brick apartment buildings but need a facelift and one needs a new roof.  Those and a few of the buildings behind them on Quaker are still in bad shape.  Cherry Street has seen of lot of gentrification/new development but there are still some holes mixed in with the new/renovated.

More than once I have driven by and felt motivated to just go buy some whitewash and a roller and just do the owner a favor.  The residents inside would think "Oh NO! our rent just went up."

More than one of my friends have lived in that three story building.  Those apts. are huge.

This project sounds great.  Maybe we should come up with another district name.  I was thinking something like TriBeCa (Triangle Below Canal st.) in manhattan.  The rectangale between Cherry and the Pearl doesn't really acronymize well, though.  "where's fat phillies?" "Oh, it's in RecChePe" 
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Gaspar on February 24, 2012, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on February 23, 2012, 10:48:25 PM
Can't even begin to imagine the poison you get on a .50 taco.

Ever been to a Del Taco?
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Conan71 on February 24, 2012, 09:16:09 AM
Quote from: Gaspar on February 24, 2012, 09:05:57 AM
Ever been to a Del Taco?

Nope.  Embarrassed to admit I ever ate at Taco Mayo.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: sgrizzle on February 24, 2012, 10:12:46 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on February 23, 2012, 10:48:25 PM
Can't even begin to imagine the poison you get on a .50 taco.

Tasty poison
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: SXSW on February 24, 2012, 12:23:00 PM
Quote from: jacobi on February 24, 2012, 09:02:14 AM
Sorry to pull an older quote from this thread.
More than once I have driven by and felt motivated to just go buy some whitewash and a roller and just do the owner a favor.  The residents inside would think "Oh NO! our rent just went up."

More than one of my friends have lived in that three story building.  Those apts. are huge.

This project sounds great.  Maybe we should come up with another district name.  I was thinking something like TriBeCa (Triangle Below Canal st.) in manhattan.  The rectangale between Cherry and the Pearl doesn't really acronymize well, though.  "where's fat phillies?" "Oh, it's in RecChePe" 

Some have tried in the past to call everything north of 15th NoChe (North Cherry) but that's pretty lame IMO.  This will still be in Cherry Street even if not on 15th.  Many don't realize that Swan Lake starts in the neighborhoods south of 15th and goes all the way to 21st between Peoria and Utica.  Everything north of the BA in that area is either Tracy Park to the west of Peoria and Forest Orchard to the east until you get to 11th where the Pearl begins. 
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: RecycleMichael on February 24, 2012, 12:39:26 PM
Is it important to make up a name for every part of town?

Why don't we just pick one business and name it for that (like Blue Dome).

I hereby call it Phat Town.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: dbacks fan on February 24, 2012, 12:41:35 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on February 24, 2012, 09:05:57 AM
Ever been to a Del Taco?

Love Del Taco. It was the closest I could get to Bueno when I lived in Arizona. Although I still think it's weird to get fries with a combo meal of tacos and burritos.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: AquaMan on February 24, 2012, 01:22:57 PM
Quote from: RecycleMichael on February 24, 2012, 12:39:26 PM
Is it important to make up a name for every part of town?

Why don't we just pick one business and name it for that (like Blue Dome).

I hereby call it Phat Town.

Please, no. One may think of it as describing its denizens. And not Phat Cherry either.

How about Hillcrest? Or, better yet, North Cherry or South Pearl. Or....13th & Peoria.

Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: carltonplace on February 24, 2012, 01:35:42 PM
Quote from: AquaMan on February 24, 2012, 01:22:57 PM
Please, no. One may think of it as describing its denizens. And not Phat Cherry either.

How about Hillcrest? Or, better yet, North Cherry or South Pearl. Or....13th & Peoria.



Midtown subs is in Maple Ridge, Phat Phillys is in Forrest Orchard and 918 CrossFit is in Tracy Park.

NoChe is So-ghey and beyond lame.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: RecycleMichael on February 24, 2012, 01:40:24 PM
How about we combine the names of the two most prominent restaurants?

What-a-Long John ville.

Or use the biggest building on that stretch?

Storage town.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: DowntownDan on February 24, 2012, 01:41:47 PM
I would just consider it part of Cherry Street.  I also consider Te-Kei's part of Cherry Street even though its a few blocks off of the actual street.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Kenosha on February 27, 2012, 06:53:48 PM
That stretch is kind of like the neck linking Cherry and Pearl.  


How about the Pearl Necklace?

P.N. for short.


It had to be done.  I am sorry.


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Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: we vs us on March 20, 2012, 03:23:27 PM
They took the Midtown Subs building down, and there's lots of dirt(mud?)work on the lot.  And it also looks like someone's using raw lumber to shore up the columns of one of the apartment buildings across the street.  Definitely classes up the neighborhood.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: AquaMan on March 20, 2012, 04:22:56 PM
Quote from: we vs us on March 20, 2012, 03:23:27 PM
They took the Midtown Subs building down, and there's lots of dirt(mud?)work on the lot.  And it also looks like someone's using raw lumber to shore up the columns of one of the apartment buildings across the street.  Definitely classes up the neighborhood.

Yeah, well, consider the owners.

Lets just say that a roof will eventually cave in if the owners pocket insurance money that was meant for repairs.

Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Townsend on March 20, 2012, 04:26:05 PM
Quote from: AquaMan on March 20, 2012, 04:22:56 PM
Yeah, well, consider the owners.

Lets just say that a roof will eventually cave in if the owners pocket insurance money that was meant for repairs.



Perry Properties?
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: AquaMan on March 20, 2012, 04:28:17 PM
Quote from: Townsend on March 20, 2012, 04:26:05 PM
Perry Properties?

Of the same class of landlord/owners. I don't want to be harassed by their lawyers or accused of slander. Suffice to say I find them personally and professionally distasteful.

Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: carltonplace on April 16, 2012, 08:26:53 AM
I hope they start building soon or if not put some sod down to keep all of that dirt in place over the summer.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: DowntownDan on April 16, 2012, 04:34:33 PM
I drove by today and the lot is much larger than the footprint the previous building took.  Lots of potential there with great skyline views.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: jacobi on April 17, 2012, 09:48:01 AM
QuoteI drove by today and the lot is much larger than the footprint the previous building took.  Lots of potential there with great skyline views.

I also love how this project ties in the the midland valley trail.  This is going to be the new place to sit on a patio after a long day riding and drink adult beverages and watch the sun set over our really amazing skyline.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Conan71 on April 17, 2012, 02:15:49 PM
Quote from: jacobi on April 17, 2012, 09:48:01 AM
I also love how this project ties in the the midland valley trail.  This is going to be the new place to sit on a patio after a long day riding and drink adult beverages and watch the sun set over our really amazing skyline.

Without the muddy river smell when the water level is low ;)
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: DowntownDan on April 17, 2012, 02:51:53 PM
Just stay sober enough not to fall off the balcony where you might roll onto the highway!!
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: DowntownDan on April 25, 2012, 12:59:57 PM
There  is a sign up on the spot now confirming a japanese steakhouse and sushi bar.  I'll try and get a pic with my phone on the way home today.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Sutton on April 25, 2012, 04:56:57 PM
Same owners as Fuji I believe.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: jacobi on April 25, 2012, 05:50:10 PM
I hope that this trend on peoria between 15th and 13th (for now) continues.  One of the problems that I have with cherry street is that it is two-dementional.  Not in the Flatland sense but in the sense that it only seems to go in a line.  I wish that the zoning was such that some of the side streets (especially to the north) could integrate some mixed use properties.  This trend we are seeing on peoria helps create a feeling that you aren't just on a strip.

I have had dreams (Yeah I literally dream about Tulsa urban design) about the mcdonalds and LJS being demolished and replaced with multistory mixed use buildings.  Oh to live that long.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: ZYX on April 25, 2012, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: jacobi on April 25, 2012, 05:50:10 PM
I hope that this trend on peoria between 15th and 13th (for now) continues.  One of the problems that I have with cherry street is that it is two-dementional.  Not in the Flatland sense but in the sense that it only seems to go in a line.  I wish that the zoning was such that some of the side streets (especially to the north) could integrate some mixed use properties.  This trend we are seeing on peoria helps create a feeling that you aren't just on a strip.

I have had dreams (Yeah I literally dream about Tulsa urban design) about the mcdonalds and LJS being demolished and replaced with multistory mixed use buildings.  Oh to live that long.

Glad I'm not the only disturbed one.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: jacobi on April 25, 2012, 09:23:23 PM
QuoteGlad I'm not the only disturbed one.

I knew I wasn't alone!
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: dsjeffries on April 25, 2012, 11:18:18 PM
Behold, Zanmai!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/552014_10151552451655328_537260327_23775558_248720853_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: carltonplace on April 26, 2012, 08:03:40 AM
That design is terrible. Or maybe I just can't be pleased.  >:(
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: OSU on April 26, 2012, 09:08:48 AM
Quote from: carltonplace on April 26, 2012, 08:03:40 AM
That design is terrible. Or maybe I just can't be pleased.  >:(

I agree, I also don't see it aging very gracefully.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: dsjeffries on April 26, 2012, 09:15:36 AM
Quote from: OSU on April 26, 2012, 09:08:48 AM
I agree, I also don't see it aging very gracefully.

I expect that out of Miles & Associated (see One Place Tower) but Freese is usually pretty good.  :-\
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Conan71 on April 26, 2012, 09:21:53 AM
Give it a chance on the design, I think it's pretty hip.  However, I'm more intrigued by the idea this may be mixed use.  Anyone else note there is 7660 sq. ft. for lease on the first level?
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: dsjeffries on April 26, 2012, 10:23:36 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on April 26, 2012, 09:21:53 AM
Give it a chance on the design, I think it's pretty hip.  However, I'm more intrigued by the idea this may be mixed use.  Anyone else note there is 7660 sq. ft. for lease on the first level?

I hope there's more landscaping than what's shown in that rendering. And I am really interested in what the back side is going to look like. I hope they take full advantage of that killer view.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: carltonplace on April 26, 2012, 10:37:18 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on April 26, 2012, 09:21:53 AM
Give it a chance on the design, I think it's pretty hip.  However, I'm more intrigued by the idea this may be mixed use.  Anyone else note there is 7660 sq. ft. for lease on the first level?

What's so hip about a Circuit City?

Freese is a talented architect, and he has a beautiful backdrop (downtown skyline) and a very large lot to design a more iconic building or even a cool throw back. 
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Conan71 on April 26, 2012, 11:26:19 AM
Quote from: carltonplace on April 26, 2012, 10:37:18 AM
What's so hip about a Circuit City?

Freese is a talented architect, and he has a beautiful backdrop (downtown skyline) and a very large lot to design a more iconic building or even a cool throw back. 

At least they didn't hire Mike Brady

(http://i-cdn.apartmenttherapy.com/uimages/chicago/071311BradyHouse01.jpg)

Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: patric on April 26, 2012, 11:40:57 AM
(http://southparkstudios-intl.mtvnimages.com/shared/sps/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/season_15/sp_1506_clip12_city-sushi_tower-of-peace.jpg?width=480)
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: SXSW on April 27, 2012, 02:59:02 PM
I'll withhold judgement until I see more/better renderings.  Freese is pretty good, up there with Selser Schaefer, Duval and One Arch. doing the best contemporary design work in Tulsa.  This is such a great site and view it needs to be a stellar design.  I assume parking is behind (to the west) or adjacent (to the south)?
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Sutton on May 10, 2012, 09:07:02 AM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/printerfriendlystory.aspx?articleid=20120510_53_E1_CUTLIN514464 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/printerfriendlystory.aspx?articleid=20120510_53_E1_CUTLIN514464)

Zanmai will take Japanese steak house to a new level

By KYLE ARNOLD World Staff Writer
Published: 5/10/2012  2:03 AM
Last Modified: 5/10/2012  2:38 AM

A new restaurant and retail building under construction near Cherry Street will offer a sweeping view of downtown Tulsa while extending the popular retail and entertainment district a block north.


Developer Steve Dodson and restaurant owner Nobu Terauchi are building the two-story, 16,200-square-foot building on the southwest corner of Peoria Avenue and the Broken Arrow Expressway. It will be topped with an ambitious Japanese steak house and have space for as many as four retailers on the ground level.

The Zanmai restaurant will feature tall glass windows in the rear that face northwest toward the skyline.

Terauchi plans to build a high-end Japanese restaurant that includes 16 cooking stations with hibachi-style cooks entertaining diners.

"The view will be one of the best in the city, and we think it will be the coolest restaurant in the city for years," said Brian Freese, architect on the project.

The restaurant was placed on the second floor to allow for the downtown view and give space for street-front retail.

The new restaurant is the third dining place by Terauchi, owner of two Fuji Japanese Cuisine and Sushi Bar locations.

Terauchi opened his first Fuji restaurant at 71st Street and Memorial Drive in 1986, one of the first Japanese-style eateries in Tulsa.

Seven years ago, he opened the second Fuji restaurant in the Brookside district at 3739 S. Peoria Ave.

Zanmai, which means "enjoy" in Japanese, will be a departure from the midpriced restaurants that Terauchi has opened in the past.

He said he plans to sell premium American and Japanese selections of beef and create an Asian fusion menu. In all, the restaurant will seat about 200 people.

"It's a great business opportunity," Terauchi said. "It will be a little bit more modern, more high-end than the other restaurants."

Zanmai will also have several booths, a bar and private dining rooms. At the rear of the building, there will be a rooftop dining area and Japanese garden.

The 7,600 square feet of retail space on the ground floor has not been leased yet, but Freese said owners of the building are in talks with several national retailers.

A large glass rectangle in the middle of the building's front will have the Zanmai name in large lettering, while behind it a staircase and elevator will take diners to the second-floor restaurant. Freese said the entryway and signage are purposefully pointing toward the Cherry Street area.

Freese said they designed the building to have parking in the rear with street-front retailers, following the classic look of retailers along 15th Street, Peoria Avenue in Brookside and other in-town shopping corridors.

Freese said the building will be decorated with reclaimed wood, white painted strand board and will have concrete floors.

Owners of the property hope to have the building finished and the restaurant opened by the end of the year.

Contractors have begun foundation work.

Freese said the property has a significant slope and will have to be leveled to allow for parking.

According to city building permits, developers plan to spend just under $2 million on the project.

(http://www.tulsaworld.com/articleimages/2012/20120510_e1render0510p2.jpg)
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: AquaMan on May 10, 2012, 09:30:14 AM
Sounds like fun and looks good. I hope I can afford to eat there!
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: DowntownDan on May 10, 2012, 09:59:48 AM
There is a lot of potential in that area.  Hope to see some development creep north up Peoria.  The apartments accross the street could be made into some really nice middle end apartments.  They look a bit run down right now.  You would think the location would justify some renovations and a decent pricetag.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: DTowner on May 10, 2012, 10:11:09 AM
Wow, this sounds even better than I hoped. 
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: dsjeffries on May 10, 2012, 11:21:11 AM
This rendering looks better than the last one we saw. But I'm disappointed to hear that it's the same owner as Fuji. I've never, not once, had a good experience at either location. And I've given them a lot of chances. Their sushi rolls aren't rolled or packed well, so they fall apart; the rolls are also usually too large (and mostly rice); and the service has been absolutely horrible every time I've been there.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: rdj on May 10, 2012, 11:40:18 AM
Quote from: dsjeffries on May 10, 2012, 11:21:11 AM
This rendering looks better than the last one we saw. But I'm disappointed to hear that it's the same owner as Fuji. I've never, not once, had a good experience at either location. And I've given them a lot of chances. Their sushi rolls aren't rolled or packed well, so they fall apart; the rolls are also usually too large (and mostly rice); and the service has been absolutely horrible every time I've been there.

I prefer it over ITR.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: enits on May 10, 2012, 01:23:21 PM
I can't quite picture where the location of this restaurant is going to be...soooo southwest corner of Peoria and the BA....  Would that be north of cherry street, a few blocks north of the palace cafe?  I guess I need to check google map!

Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Teatownclown on May 10, 2012, 01:35:59 PM
Quote from: enits on May 10, 2012, 01:23:21 PM
I can't quite picture where the location of this restaurant is going to be...soooo southwest corner of Peoria and the BA....  Would that be north of cherry street, a few blocks north of the palace cafe?  I guess I need to check google map!



More like 500 feet.

This looks real nice. I could only wish the best for Nobu.

I think Paul Corey is the main developer here. It has some real potential. Mod Yoga? Brian Freeze rendering confuse me.

I think the land belongs to Tom Atherton.

Someone told me that Osaka was going into RiverWalk.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: Sutton on May 10, 2012, 04:24:28 PM
Very excited about this project. Its just a shame that there are fast food joints directly to the south.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: sgrizzle on May 10, 2012, 04:34:44 PM
Those are placeholder business names

Also, fast food places are just to the south of every place. Even hell.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: rdj on May 11, 2012, 08:38:54 AM
Quote from: Teatownclown on May 10, 2012, 01:35:59 PM
More like 500 feet.

This looks real nice. I could only wish the best for Nobu.

I think Paul Corey is the main developer here. It has some real potential. Mod Yoga? Brian Freeze rendering confuse me.

I think the land belongs to Tom Atherton.

Someone told me that Osaka was going into RiverWalk.


Atherton has been trying to get someone to bite off this building for a long time.  I know he approached several banks about building there as long as 8-9 years ago.
Title: Re: Mid-Town Subs
Post by: BKDotCom on May 11, 2012, 10:45:17 AM
Quote from: Teatownclown on May 10, 2012, 01:35:59 PM

Someone told me that Osaka was going into RiverWalk.


I think that would actually be a success.