"Rep. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City, said minorities earn less than white people because they don't work as hard and have less initiative.
"We have a high percentage of blacks in prison, and that's tragic, but are they in prison just because they are black or because they don't want to study as hard in school? I've taught school, and I saw a lot of people of color who didn't study hard because they said the government would take care of them."
Kern said women earn less than men because "they tend to spend more time at home with their families."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/28/970934/-Minorities-earn-less-than-white-people-because-they-don't-work-as-hard-and-have-less-initiative
Sorry for using the Kos link, but I refuse to pony up on Tulsa World's paywall. The bad part is, liberals jump on this to assume that people like Sally Kern speak for the vast majority of Republicans, which is simply not the truth. Other than her district in OKC, I don't think this woman enjoys much support within the Oklahoma GOP. Between her and Deweh Bartlet (sic), I think I'm ready to become an IND.
That's so bad even the polar bears are getting in on the facepalm act.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 28, 2011, 08:48:39 AM
"Rep. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City, said minorities earn less than white people because they don't work as hard and have less initiative.
"We have a high percentage of blacks in prison, and that's tragic, but are they in prison just because they are black or because they don't want to study as hard in school? I've taught school, and I saw a lot of people of color who didn't study hard because they said the government would take care of them."
Kern said women earn less than men because "they tend to spend more time at home with their families."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/28/970934/-Minorities-earn-less-than-white-people-because-they-don't-work-as-hard-and-have-less-initiative
Sorry for using the Kos link, but I refuse to pony up on Tulsa World's paywall.
That's so bad even the polar bears are ashamed.
Anything she says doesn't surprise me.
Wow. Did someone resurrect Marge Schott ?
Quote from: DolfanBob on April 28, 2011, 08:54:23 AM
Wow. Did someone resurrect Marge Schott ?
LOL! I hadn't thought of Marge in a long time. Good one!
Sally Kern is another symptom of the problems with Oklahoma City. (Her home district)
Anyone think Jim Inhofe is any different? He says the same stuff.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/4987/in-living-color-driving-miss-shott
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on April 28, 2011, 12:42:26 PM
Anyone think Jim Inhofe is any different? He says the same stuff.
But more quietly, less frequently, and rarely on tape.
Kern is one of those strange people that in addition to being racist, is sexist against themselves. I think most everyone agrees that it's reasonable that women are paid less after they take years off from working and then re-enter the workforce. They have less experience than many of their male counterparts, after all. What's not reasonable is that women who don't leave the workforce (or even have children!) still get paid somewhat less than their male peers (on average) for the same job. Thankfully, that latter issue seems to be happening less and less, but still exists.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on April 28, 2011, 12:42:26 PM
Sally Kern is another symptom of the problems with Oklahoma City. (Her home district)
Anyone think Jim Inhofe is any different? He says the same stuff.
But he hasn't lived in Tulsa for 30 years.
When a democrat appointed state school board member made a joke about a pregnant staffer, Governor Mary Fallin had a press conference denouncing the person and demanding a resignation.
When an republican elected official makes bigoted and sexist statements, nothing.
I expected something.
As the Governor of the state, either denounce the comments or by silence, agree with them.
Quote from: swake on April 28, 2011, 05:05:04 PM
But he hasn't lived in Tulsa for 30 years.
I don't think he's lived on Planet Earth for at least that long...
Kern, Coburn and Inhofe are why people in the rest of the country think everyone here is batsh*t crazy and dumber than stumps. Present company excepted, of course.
On the other hand, it does serve to make Michelle Bachman look smarter.
Quote from: Ed W on April 28, 2011, 07:18:00 PM
Kern, Coburn and Inhofe are why people in the rest of the country think everyone here is batsh*t crazy and dumber than stumps. Present company excepted, of course.
On the other hand, it does serve to make Michelle Bachman look smarter.
Oh I don't think the country looks at Oklahoma that way. I think they DO look at nutjob California because of this crap:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110427/us_nm/us_circumcision_ban
Quote from: guido911 on April 28, 2011, 09:00:05 PM
Oh I don't think the country looks at Oklahoma that way.
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Its a republican thing.. You guys just don't understand
Quote from: nathanm on April 28, 2011, 09:51:54 PM
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She's got the cigarette (I think I see one), where's the beer?
Quote from: CharlieSheen on April 28, 2011, 10:43:07 PM
Its a republican thing.. You guys just don't understand
lol....
Quote from: Red Arrow on April 28, 2011, 10:48:35 PM
She's got the cigarette (I think I see one), where's the beer?
Answer my question in another thread coward. I want to know how educated and intelligent you really are..
EDITED. Sorry RA.
Quote from: guido911 on April 28, 2011, 10:53:59 PM
Answer my question in another thread coward. I want to know how educated and intelligent you really are..
I think you grabbed the wrong post. This is Red Arrow, not Nathan.
Quote from: nathanm on April 28, 2011, 09:51:54 PM
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Answer my question in another thread coward. I want to know how educated and intelligent you really are..
Really guido?
You demand other people answer you with personal information?
How about you post your 2010 tax statements, pictures of your wife, and what color panties you are wearing today?
Answer us coward!
guido has yet to EVER answer a question, but certainly takes umbrage at any others who don't. You know what that is called!! (No, not hypocrite - Lawyer!!)
Nathan, just a small sampling.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/inhofe-agrees-usmc-commandant-changing-h
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=16&articleid=20100207_16_A17_WSIGOm405550
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/06/inhofe-gay-marriage/
On the Senate floor;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Inhofe
Aplogies are not enough:
Anthony Douglas, president of the Oklahoma chapter of the NAACP, said the apology is not enough.
He said Kern should resign immediately.
"You cannot commit racism and then offer an apology for the racist statement that you make," Douglas said.
"The citizens of Oklahoma, the constituents can no longer stand by and allow this type of action to happen.
Read more: http://mood.newsok.com/kern-apologizes-for-comments-on-minorities-and-women/article/3562825#ixzz1KvTU6eOc
Anyone else hear Jackie Chiles in there?
She's an idiot. Douglas doesn't sound any brighter.
Let me make sure I got this right. If you make a racist gaffe, you cannot apologize. Check.
Maybe the NAACP can recruit a black transexual to run against Sally the next election.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 29, 2011, 10:23:56 AM
Aplogies are not enough:
Anthony Douglas, president of the Oklahoma chapter of the NAACP, said the apology is not enough.
He said Kern should resign immediately.
"You cannot commit racism and then offer an apology for the racist statement that you make," Douglas said.
"The citizens of Oklahoma, the constituents can no longer stand by and allow this type of action to happen.
Read more: http://mood.newsok.com/kern-apologizes-for-comments-on-minorities-and-women/article/3562825#ixzz1KvTU6eOc
Anyone else hear Jackie Chiles in there?
She's an idiot. Douglas doesn't sound any brighter.
Let me make sure I got this right. If you make a racist gaffe, you cannot apologize. Check.
Maybe the NAACP can recruit a black transexual to run against Sally the next election.
Sure you can apologize....makes no difference. Won't change a thing. :)
This nitwit has a history of racist, homophobic, religious fanatic outbursts. Our State has a credibility problem when we vote in people like our beloved Ms. Kern. In case you don't realize it, this is when we might all stand up and shout her down. Otherwise, we just confirm what the rest of the country believes about Oklahoma.
BTW, white trash racists are not good for recruiting clean business to the State.
Conan,
When one screw's up, then apologizes, one time it can be considered an isolated incident that occurred out of some disruption in one's cosmic karma camp. When one does it over and over and over and over, it is a method of operation, not a slip up.
Kern not only should have resigned long ago, she should have had the common decency to leave the state.
I did the Wiki search thing and feel I have found the root of her problem. She was born in Arkansas (think Huckabee) and went to school in Texas (UT Arlington). I forgive her.
Quote from: Teatownclown on April 29, 2011, 12:08:51 PM
These nitwits have a history of racist, homophobic, religious fanatic outbursts.
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I'm disappointed the Congressional White Caucus has not publicly rebuked her. Oh wait, I forgot, we can't have a CWC because that would have been racist. Damn the details.
And you got it exactly right with those two clowns, too.
She should not be punished by anyone but voters for speaking her mind. If my government thinks they way I WANT to know about it. If something unpopular is the truth, I don't want them to fear bringing it up.
And one doesn't "commmitt racism", that makes no sense.
This woman is a bigot and shouldd not be in a position to get attention, let alone authority, but the naacp is out of line calling for ouster. Resign in disgrace? Sure. But then also call for the resignation of the black principle interfering with police.
Conan, every time you try that method of cya, it just makes a darker image of you.
Quote from: Teatownclown on April 29, 2011, 02:14:21 PM
Conan, every time you try that method of cya, it just makes a darker image of you.
That sounds raciest. I think?
Quote from: Teatownclown on April 29, 2011, 02:14:21 PM
Conan, every time you try that method of cya, it just makes a darker image of you.
That's a racial slur. I want you to resign right now!
Let me aks you this: If there were a NAAWP, white officer's coalition, white congressional caucus, white student association, etc. ad nauseum would your first reaction be that this was a separatist, racist group? Why not the same reaction when it comes to black groups like this?
I'm all about racial equality. The NAACP is about racial superiority and racial inferiority. Black caucuses, black professional coalitions, and the like exist to illustrate, highlight, and focus on our differences. So long as there are foundations which exist to keep agitating the racial divide there will be one. I for one would hope Sally Kern would realize what an embarrassment she is to the state and step down. In absence of that, her constituents can make a value judgement if her apparent homophobia and blunt feelings on race and gender outweigh her usefulness as a legislator. I'm sure the editors at Kos and HuffPo would love for her to hang around she's great for page hits.
Instead of focusing on our differences, we should be focusing on our similarities. Let's start with one simple idea- we all belong to the same race: The human race.
I'm not white. I'm kinda pinkish-beige.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 29, 2011, 04:04:20 PM
Instead of focusing on our differences, we should be focusing on our similarities. Let's start with one simple idea- we all belong to the same race: The human race.
You mortals crack me up.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 29, 2011, 04:04:20 PM
I'm all about racial equality. The NAACP is about racial superiority and racial inferiority. Black caucuses, black professional coalitions, and the like exist to illustrate, highlight, and focus on our differences. So long as there are foundations which exist to keep agitating the racial divide there will be one.
...
Instead of focusing on our differences, we should be focusing on our similarities. Let's start with one simple idea- we all belong to the same race: The human race.
This is white privilege talking. Does it bother you that there are groups to advance the cause of women's rights? How about organizations advocating for the disabled?
I've written several times here about how policies that are not racist in intent can in fact end up being de facto racist. This helps to perpetuate the subjugation of black people. Racism is now (aside from a few glaring examples) no longer individual, but institutional. We've come quite a long way even in the last 20 years. It seems a great shame to stop now.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/1510/saturday-night-live-weekend-update-with-emily-latella-editorial (http://www.hulu.com/watch/1510/saturday-night-live-weekend-update-with-emily-latella-editorial)
Quote from: nathanm on April 29, 2011, 04:59:48 PM
This is white privilege talking. Does it bother you that there are groups to advance the cause of women's rights? How about organizations advocating for the disabled?
I've written several times here about how policies that are not racist in intent can in fact end up being de facto racist. This helps to perpetuate the subjugation of black people. Racism is now (aside from a few glaring examples) no longer individual, but institutional. We've come quite a long way even in the last 20 years. It seems a great shame to stop now.
White privilege my donkey. Nothing I've earned is a result of me being white.
Most of the wrongs of the pre CRA era 45 years ago have been fixed in case you haven't noticed. Sure there are morons still walking around spouting the N word and other epithets on a daily basis and occasional "hate" crimes.
Show me how minorities and women are still being held down other than ones who are prisoners to their own lame thinking and race-baiters telling them it's so.
We have a black man as POTUS, females in very high positions of authority throughout his admin as well throughout our legislative and judicial systems all over the country. Minorities of all backgrounds and both sexes are governors, legislators, CEO's of major corporations, as well as important researchers, doctors, scientists, writers, TV personalities, etc.
Has all that happened through black privilege or female privilege or Hispanic privilege?
I'll take equal treatment over special treatment any day. It lets me know I'm a product of my own efforts and that I'm not taking something I don't deserve by my own merit or haven't earned.
State Representative Sally Kern is helping the image of other politicians in the same way that Mike Tyson helped the image of other boxers.
A boxer could say, "Yes, my job is to hit a man with a series of punches to his brain until he falls over in a concussion, but at least I don't bite them."
Now politicians can all say, "Yes, my job is to vote on behalf of special interests every time and ignore you like I am brain dead, but at least I don't make racist and sexist remarks."
Quote from: RecycleMichael on April 29, 2011, 07:46:18 PM
State Representative Sally Kern is helping the image of other politicians in the same way that Mike Tyson helped the image of other boxers.
A boxer could say, "Yes, my job is to hit a man with a series of punches to his brain until he falls over in a concussion, but at least I don't bite them."
Now politicians can all say, "Yes, my job is to vote on behalf of special interests every time and ignore you like I am brain dead, but at least I don't make racist and sexist remarks."
You know why Mike Tyson's eyes water during sex?
Pepper spray.
Quote from: dbacks fan on April 29, 2011, 05:41:51 PM
http://www.hulu.com/watch/1510/saturday-night-live-weekend-update-with-emily-latella-editorial (http://www.hulu.com/watch/1510/saturday-night-live-weekend-update-with-emily-latella-editorial)
Gilda Radnor was great.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 29, 2011, 07:28:12 PM
White privilege my donkey. Nothing I've earned is a result of me being white.
That you think that is a result of your being white (and male). There were some free black men while slavery was enforced. There were some rich black men during Jim Crow.
You aren't confronted with the continuing institutional racism (and sexism) many women and minorities deal with on a daily basis, so you don't see it. There was a time when I argued with people about things they personally experienced: "no, surely that happened for some other reason..." Eventually, I realized what an donkey I was being.
Statistics show very clearly that there is a significant racial bias in both income and wealth in this country, even when controlled for factors other than race. I think you're right that there's little overt racism these days. As I said before, it's not necessarily intentional, but it's there. Think cops arresting black people more often for drug offenses despite them being less likely to be carrying drugs simply because cops patrol black neighborhoods more.
Yeah, there are people shouting racism where it doesn't really exist (like the very few morons who claim that all opposition to Obama is racist). Similarly, there are white people who claim that racism simply doesn't exist anymore, or Tea Partiers who claim the government is out to get them, or truthers who claim that Bush was complicit in 9/11. That there is a fringe that takes an issue to an extreme does not mean that there is zero truth to the claims of the larger group.
There is undoubtedly racism, even if it doesn't usually involve the N word or cross burning. There are ways in which the government is inefficient and needs reform, though not dismantled entirely, and Bush was a shitty President by most standards, even if he didn't orchestrate a terrorist attack. Using the standard by which you judge racism, the government is an entity of unparalleled efficiency and integrity and Bush was in fact an excellent President.
Here is the clip. Her part begins at about 1:16:00 and the statement at issue is at about 1:20:00.
http://www1.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20110428_11_0_hWatch253294
Quote from: guido911 on May 01, 2011, 04:09:06 PM
Here is the clip. Her part begins at about 1:16:00 and the statement at issue is at about 1:20:00.
http://www1.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20110428_11_0_hWatch253294
You appear to be standing up for her. Define "at issue." ???
Quote from: Teatownclown on May 01, 2011, 04:16:49 PM
You appear to be standing up for her. Define "at issue." ???
You appear to be a presumptuous fool. Watch her part in the clip and listen to what she says. That's all.
Quote from: guido911 on May 01, 2011, 04:23:29 PM
You appear to be a presumptuous fool. Watch her part in the clip and listen to what she says. That's all.
I did...and I stand by my previous observation about your post. :P
Quote from: Teatownclown on May 01, 2011, 04:27:33 PM
I did...and I stand b my previous observation. :P
Well if you in fact listened to it, and simultaneously compared her remarks to the first quote attributed to her by the Daily Kos, you will notice that her comments (although bigoted) were cut and pasted together in order to worsen the impact. Whole sentences were omitted. I am not by any means condoning her remarks, especially given her history of idiocy.
good boy.
That video pretty much covers it all, don't it? It's even worse than the text on a piece of paper.
Summarizing what she said;
She said; women are slackers, and blacks are lazy. And she tries so hard to get Martin Luther King to back her up. And she went on about how the US Constitution tried to protect all people, not just men. Obviously she was stoned during history class. (Oh, no,...I just gave the RWRE the reason not to legalize marijuana!)
Only thing correct in all that was she said she had said enough. Way long time ago!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 01, 2011, 08:31:41 PM
That video pretty much covers it all, don't it? It's even worse than the text on a piece of paper.
If that's the case, then why did the
Daily Kos and
Huffington Post feel it necessary to fabricate her actual quote? If we want to have a conversation about a legislator's idiocy, let's have an honest discussion about it. Making sh!t up like those lefties to prove a point hurts the argument.
So, watch the video. It stands on its own merits and pretty much covers it all!
On a slightly different topic...but not really...I wonder what O'Keefes ongoing efforts do the truth - only on a much larger scale... where would that umbrage have been hiding out??
So, this is from 2008. People in OK wonder why the rest of the country laugh and compare OK to some version of Deliverance. People in OK have apparently continued to vote her into office, and continue to support her for the last few years.
Quote from: guido911 on May 01, 2011, 09:35:00 PM
If that's the case, then why did the Daily Kos and Huffington Post feel it necessary to fabricate her actual quote? If we want to have a conversation about a legislator's idiocy, let's have an honest discussion about it. Making sh!t up like those lefties to prove a point hurts the argument.
That's funny, they hate it when O'Keefe and Brietbart do that. Double standard? Say it ain't so!
Quote from: Conan71 on May 02, 2011, 08:08:48 AM
That's funny, they hate it when O'Keefe and Brietbart do that. Double standard? Say it ain't so!
And that's my point. I think I'll head over to
Media Matters now and look for the outrage over Kern being "Breitbarted". Any bets on what I'll find?
Quote from: guido911 on May 02, 2011, 09:49:43 AM
And that's my point. I think I'll head over to Media Matters now and look for the outrage over Kern being "Breitbarted". Any bets on what I'll find?
Probably the echo of a fart and that's about it.
You guys got a circle jerk goin.. They shouldn't edit her to make her sound worse. There was one main difference between O'Keefe/Breibart. They edited the video and accused the people of commiting crimes like aiding child trafficking and child endangerment.
Quote from: CharlieSheen on May 02, 2011, 10:27:41 AM
They shouldn't edit her to make her sound worse.
It's unnecessary
Buzzfeed celebrity
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/insane-things-representative-sally-kern-has-said
Quote from: jne on May 05, 2011, 10:34:10 PM
Buzzfeed celebrity
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/insane-things-representative-sally-kern-has-said
Quite the homo-phobic isnt she ?
You could never accuse her of pandering to the gay vote.
You almost have to wonder if she's sleeping with Fred Phelps.
Yeesh. That image takes "bumping ugly" a whole new level.
Quote from: Conan71 on May 06, 2011, 10:50:35 AM
You almost have to wonder if she's sleeping with Fred Phelps.
That's nasty.