Watching KOTV and they are showing the refinery on fire.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20110422_11_0_Atleas486823
It sounds like KOTV let the refinery PR people write the news report:
Fire crews say fumes venting from a slop tank caught fire releasing non-toxic hydro carbon.
Non-toxic hydrocarbon?
I captured this picture on my cell phone of the non-toxic hydrocarbon giving off love:
(http://dailydamocles.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/mushroom-cloud-hb1.jpg)
Nothing to see here folks, keep moving. ;)
...... was innocently grilling hotdogs after the burn ban was lifted...... my bad. :-[
'nother verse, same as the first"
Large Fire Reported at Tulsa Refinery
http://kwgs.com/post/large-fire-reported-tulsa-refinery-0 (http://kwgs.com/post/large-fire-reported-tulsa-refinery-0)
QuoteTULSA, Okla. (AP) — Fire crews have been battling a large fire at an oil refinery in Tulsa.
Neighbors told local news outlets they heard an explosion at the refinery in west Tulsa early Thursday.
No other details were immediately available.
The refinery is owned by Dallas-based HollyFrontier Corp. According to the company's website, the Tulsa refinery has a crude oil capacity of 125,000 barrels a day.
Was there a Chevy Volt in the vicinity?
I can't believe that place is a working refinery. It looks like a place that Freddy Kruger or Pinhead would hang out.
It is NOT Earth Day. And this LIABILITY of a company should not only be held accountable for telling only the truth but fined heavily for not doing so. This city is abused by Holly. THE COMPANY lowers our standard of living, adds to ozone levels, and may cause lung damage.
When I heard this morning that all information of this fire was being kept under wet blankets I thought "bullsh!T".
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=13480.msg140580#msg140580
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 02, 2012, 07:29:08 PM
It is NOT Earth Day. And this LIABILITY of a company should not only be held accountable for telling only the truth but fined heavily for not doing so. This city is abused by Holly. THE COMPANY lowers our standard of living, adds to ozone levels, and may cause lung damage.
When I heard this morning that all information of this fire was being kept under wet blankets I thought "bullsh!T".
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=13480.msg140580#msg140580
You do realize their fire department is vastly better equipped to deal with a refinery blaze, don't you? It's not a matter of being covert, it's simply a matter of wanting to have all facts together before making public statements. If it will make you feel better I will ask two of my cycling buddies who work on the fire crew about it.
Far better chance of lung damage hanging out with smokers. Relax.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 02, 2012, 10:03:19 PM
You do realize their fire department is vastly better equipped to deal with a refinery blaze, don't you? It's not a matter of being covert, it's simply a matter of wanting to have all facts together before making public statements. If it will make you feel better I will ask two of my cycling buddies who work on the fire crew about it.
Far better chance of lung damage hanging out with smokers. Relax.
When they were SunOil my father was firefighter out there (well, he was actually a machinist but he also signed on in volunteer capacity as a firefighter). He fought two fairly good sized ones in the early 80s. Those guys are trained heavily and Sun didn't BS around about safety.
I'm not sure about Holly but one would hope they're just as adamant about it.
Quote from: Hoss on August 02, 2012, 10:21:36 PM
(well, he was actually a machinist but he also signed on in volunteer capacity as a firefighter).
Good for him. It was probably somewhat like
everyone learning to fight shipboard fires in Navy Bootcamp. There was a reason to learn to fight fires.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 02, 2012, 10:03:19 PM
Far better chance of lung damage hanging out with smokers. Relax.
you can't back that up as usual....
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 02, 2012, 10:35:59 PM
Good for him. It was probably somewhat like everyone learning to fight shipboard fires in Navy Bootcamp. There was a reason to learn to fight fires.
Probably, but he volunteered. I never really knew alot about it because I was still in grade school. I always wondered why he never wore facial hair. He told me that they wouldn't let him because it couldn't seal the face masks properly if they did.
Yesterdays fire was being used as an excuse to jack the prices up a dime in the past few hours.
From KRMG:
Refinery fire could cause spike in prices at the pump
By Steve Berg http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/refinery-fire-could-cause-spike-prices-pump/nP85g/
Gasoline industry watchers say the overnight fire at the Holly Refinery in West Tulsa could cause a small, short-term spike in gas prices at local gas stations.
Area gas stations get a significant portion of their gasoline from the Holly Refinery.
Patrick DeHaan at GasBuddy.com says it shouldn't be too extreme, probably less than ten cents per gallon.
"Maybe two to eight cents over the next couple of days," DeHaan said.
As for how long the spike would last, he said it depends on how bad the damage was at the refinery and how long it takes to repair it.
He said damage could decrease the refinery's flexibility in producing different kinds of products.
KRMG News talked to one local gasoline wholesaler who said he hasn't seen any major disruptions in their distribution chain.
He says they can get gasoline from different sources, such as the Magellan terminal, which have a good supply of gasoline in storage that comes from other refineries, such as those on the Gulf Coast.
I call B.S.
By agreement with the EPA, none of the gasoline produced at the refinery is sold here in Tulsa, since we have to use a special low RVP blend that comes from the Gulf of Mexico.
I love price gouging.
Quote from: nathanm on August 03, 2012, 01:02:34 AM
I love price gouging.
Because a spokesman from gasbuddy.com is a solid source. ::)
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 02, 2012, 10:45:27 PM
you can't back that up as usual....
As usual, you make it too easy:
QuoteWhy is secondhand smoke a problem?
Secondhand smoke causes cancer
Secondhand smoke is classified as a "known human carcinogen" (cancer-causing agent) by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the US National Toxicology Program, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), a branch of the World Health Organization.
Tobacco smoke contains more than 7,000 chemical compounds. More than 250 of these chemicals are known to be harmful, and at least 69 are known to cause cancer.
SHS has been linked to lung cancer. There is also some evidence suggesting it may be linked with childhood leukemia and cancers of the larynx (voice box), pharynx (throat), brain, bladder, rectum, stomach, and breast.
Secondhand smoke and breast cancer
Whether SHS increases the risk of breast cancer is an issue that is still being studied. Both mainstream and SHS contain about 20 chemicals that, in high concentrations, cause breast cancer in rodents. And we know that in humans, chemicals from tobacco smoke reach breast tissue and are found in breast milk.
But a link between SHS and breast cancer risk in human studies is still being debated. This is partly because breast cancer risk has not been shown to be increased in active smokers. One possible explanation for this is that tobacco smoke may have different effects on breast cancer risk in smokers and in those who are exposed to SHS.
A report from the California Environmental Protection Agency in 2005 concluded that the evidence regarding SHS and breast cancer is "consistent with a causal association" in younger women. This means the SHS acts as if it could be a cause of breast cancer in these women. The 2006 US Surgeon General's report, The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke, found that there is "suggestive but not sufficient" evidence of a link at this point.
Research is still being done, but women should be told that this possible link to breast cancer is yet another reason to avoid being around SHS.
Secondhand smoke causes other kinds of diseases and deaths
Secondhand smoke can cause harm in many ways. Each year in the United States alone, it is responsible for:
An estimated 46,000 deaths from heart disease in people who are current non-smokers
About 3,400 nonsmoking adults die of lung cancer as a result of breathing SHS
Worse asthma and asthma -related problems in up to 1 million asthmatic children
Between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections in children under 18 months of age, and lung infections resulting in 7,500 to 15,000 hospitalizations each year
http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/TobaccoCancer/secondhand-smoke
While refineries may release known carcinogens in their emissions, they are easily dispersed by the wind and Tulsa does not have near the problem the Houston region does. Being in a closed space with cigarette smoke is far more harmful for your health than jogging by the refineries on Tulsa's west bank.
http://www.environmentalintegrity.org/pdf/publications/Refinery_Report_4_31507_0405pm.pdf
Vehicle exhausts emit the same carcinogens. Good luck moving away from that unless you moved to someplace like Catalina Island or Venice Italy and you still have diesel and gasoline fumes from boats.
Quote from: patric on August 02, 2012, 11:51:12 PM
I call B.S.
By agreement with the EPA, none of the gasoline produced at the refinery is sold here in Tulsa, since we have to use a special low RVP blend that comes from the Gulf of Mexico.
I don't know where you got that information. The Holly refinery does indeed make low RVP gas that is sold in Tulsa.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 03, 2012, 06:34:08 AM
As usual, you make it too easy:
While refineries may release known carcinogens in their emissions, they are easily dispersed by the wind and Tulsa does not have near the problem the Houston region does. Being in a closed space with cigarette smoke is far more harmful for your health than jogging by the refineries on Tulsa's west bank.
http://www.environmentalintegrity.org/pdf/publications/Refinery_Report_4_31507_0405pm.pdf
Vehicle exhausts emit the same carcinogens. Good luck moving away from that unless you moved to someplace like Catalina Island or Venice Italy and you still have diesel and gasoline fumes from boats.
3400?
That's minuscule.
Don't believe everything you read from the MIC....
How to lie with statistics if you only knew how to measure up.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 03, 2012, 08:27:18 AM
I don't know where you got that information. The Holly refinery does indeed make low RVP gas that is sold in Tulsa.
That is correct. They supply RVP=7.8 . Holly represents a significant portion of the local gasoline and diesel contracts!
Quote from: Gaspar on August 03, 2012, 09:40:05 AM
That is correct. They supply RVP=7.8 . Holly represents a significant portion of the local gasoline and diesel contracts!
But only at the east facility (former Sinclair), right? Isn't the west facility (former Sunoco) lubricants and diesel only?
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 03, 2012, 08:55:12 AM
3400?
That's minuscule.
Don't believe everything you read from the MIC....
How to lie with statistics if you only knew how to measure up.
Of course, you discount other lung injuries from personal smoking.
You are far more likely to die in a car crash than die as a result of breathing the air somewhere around a refinery. Why do you drive a car?
Quote from: Conan71 on August 03, 2012, 10:10:58 AM
But only at the east facility (former Sinclair), right? Isn't the west facility (former Sunoco) lubricants and diesel only?
No. The west side makes everything, including aviation gas. What they make depends on demand.
And now, the two plants are connected. They quietly built a new underground pipeline that connects the two refineries. They are also making application to combine the two facilities under one permit.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 03, 2012, 10:12:10 AM
Of course, you discount other lung injuries from personal smoking.
You are far more likely to die in a car crash than die as a result of breathing the air somewhere around a refinery. Why do you drive a car?
Same odds getting killed in a car as in getting shot by a gun....why do you own a gun?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 03, 2012, 10:15:45 AM
No. The west side makes everything, including aviation gas. What they make depends on demand.
And now, the two plants are connected. They quietly built a new underground pipeline that connects the two refineries. They are also making application to combine the two facilities under one permit.
UMMMM, corporate inefficiencies of scale and mystery for those that breathe their toxins.
Can you give us a cost/benefit analysis?
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 03, 2012, 11:40:23 AM
Same odds getting killed in a car as in getting shot by a gun....why do you own a gun?
Same reason I don't sit in smoky bars.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 03, 2012, 11:46:00 AM
Same reason I don't sit in smoky bars.
Don't want to be killed by someone else?
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 03, 2012, 11:40:23 AM
Same odds getting killed in a car as in getting shot by a gun....why do you own a gun?
Sort of....over half the gun deaths are suicide - intentional. And while one can certainly make the case that half the car deaths are "suicide" because some idiot chose to drive drunk, they certainly aren't intentional.
So if guns weren't available and suicides chose to use a car, car deaths would go up by 50%.
Not much of an argument, ttc.
Quote from: Townsend on August 03, 2012, 11:46:52 AM
Don't want to be killed by someone else?
Winner! Winner! Chicken Dinner!
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 03, 2012, 08:27:18 AM
I don't know where you got that information. The Holly refinery does indeed make low RVP gas that is sold in Tulsa.
Got my information here:
"Our local regulators have entered into an agreement with EPA so that a special gasoline with 8.2 Reid Vapor Pressure (RVP) is sold in Tulsa county during summer months. Tulsa is the only area in the nation where this particular gasoline is sold. As a result, no refiner manufactures it, but rather two different gasolines are mixed together to meet the 8.2 specification. Most of these two kinds of gasoline come from refineries on the Gulf Coast and are transported by pipeline to Tulsa. That was not a problem in 1999. Unfortunately, since last year, 98 counties in East Texas that are along the pipeline that connects Tulsa to the Gulf Coast refineries now require one of the gasolines that is blended to make Tulsa's fuel. That increased demand from motorists in the Texas counties caused an increase in the price of gasoline in our Tulsa market when the summer driving season began. Once again, this is a simple case of the relationship of supply, demand and price."
Written Statement of James McCarthy
General Manager, CITGO Petroleum Corporation
Before the Senate Agriculture Committee
July 20, 2000
http://agriculture.senate.gov/Hearings/Hearings_2000/July_20__2000/00720mcc.htm
That info is 12 years old.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 03, 2012, 12:48:38 PM
That info is 12 years old.
So you have a more current citation?
You quoted a spokesperson for a different company saying something twelve years ago.
2000 was the year that refineries and local suppliers all started producing and selling lower RVP in Tulsa. It is an annual voluntary compact offered by INCOG. They know all do it. The refineries around here start producing the better gas around April and it causes a spike in retail price. They are done with the production by June and the prices begin to drop through June.
I meet with refinery officials at least six times a year.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 03, 2012, 01:05:02 PM
I meet with refinery officials at least six times a year.
Any chance you could ask them to pretty the refineries up a bit?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 03, 2012, 01:05:02 PM
The refineries around here start producing the better gas around April and it causes a spike in retail price. They are done with the production by June and the prices begin to drop through June.
Thanks for the update.
So if local low RVP gasoline production for the summer is done, how are they justifying the fire causing a spike in price now?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 03, 2012, 01:05:02 PM
I meet with refinery officials at least six times a year.
do you wear your straight face?
I am tired of your insults clown. You are not worthy.
Quote from: patric on August 03, 2012, 01:22:57 PM
Thanks for the update.
So if local low RVP gasoline production for the summer is done, how are they justifying the fire causing a spike in price now?
Because Chet woke up, heard the news on KRMG, and decided it was worth a dime gallon to QT.
Quote from: RecycleMichael on August 03, 2012, 10:11:21 PM
I am tired of your insults clown. You are not worthy.
lol... Dana Carvey just might agree, Garthycle.
Hey....it's 4:20 (close enough) Saturday and the sky is yellow and gray flakes are falling from the sky. A gal pal just called in Utica Square worried. I told her it was the rapture and to head on over to my place for cover. Despite being an atheist, being a member of the chosen people I told her she could seek sanctuary here. Oh, bring bud, I told her....! ;D
Quote from: Teatownclown on August 04, 2012, 04:31:20 PM
Hey....it's 4:20 (close enough) Saturday and the sky is yellow and gray flakes are falling from the sky.
Ash is falling from the sky in midtown, too damn small to get pictures.
Quote from: patric on August 04, 2012, 04:45:14 PM
Ash is falling from the sky in midtown, too damn small to get pictures.
I got some out east, pick a pinky-nail sized floater out of the air into my hand.
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/288599_3572012901904_1884301956_o.jpg)
one of my good friends is a dispatcher for the town of Mannford. He lives about three miles south of 51 just off of 48 and he doesn't even know if he has a house because he hasn't been home since 7pm last night.
Quote from: Hoss on August 04, 2012, 04:51:37 PM
I got some out east, pick a pinky-nail sized floater out of the air into my hand.
one of my good friends is a dispatcher for the town of Mannford. He lives about three miles south of 51 just off of 48 and he doesn't even know if he has a house because he hasn't been home since 7pm last night.
Twitter says all of Mannford evacuated; shelters moved to Sand Springs.
WOW...COME ON RAIN! This is tragic.
Chevron refinery in Cali went down last week due to a huge fire. Look for prices near $4 in November and lying GOP/Teabaggers blaming Obama.
Controlled burn? what better way to replace obsolete equipment?
We'll never know the truth with these ratbasturds.