Anybody know what's going in to the southwest side of Ulta. I know when I was over there yesterday I saw them ripping up the parking area, & the lights next to Olympia Ave.
Quote from: railfan955 on April 19, 2011, 11:45:53 AM
Anybody know what's going in to the southwest side of Ulta. I know when I was over there yesterday I saw them ripping up the parking area, & the lights next to Olympia Ave.
Sam's I believe.
I mean in front of Ulta not next to it. I know Sam's is going in to the south.
Cracker Barrel? I saw in the paper a while back one was going in there somewhere.
Quote from: bmuscotty on April 19, 2011, 01:34:47 PM
Cracker Barrel? I saw in the paper a while back one was going in there somewhere.
Cracker Barrel is supposed to go in by Chili's. I think I saw at one point this was going to be an office supply store, either Staples or Office Depot. Not sure which one.
Dick's?
This turned into a home run in the development world and accomplished during the worst of times.
My sources say that a Dick's Sporting Goods and a Staples are going in just south of Ulta.
Has anyone else noticed that phase 1 looks like a well planned center with no space between stores, sidewalks, and a consistent look but Phase 2 looks like it is the result of monkey flingings on a map?
Quote from: Teatownclown on April 19, 2011, 01:43:32 PM
Dick's?
This turned into a home run in the development world and accomplished during the worst of times.
They started their expansion from the northeast in the 90's and have been around since the 50's.
Type Public (NYSE: DKS)
Industry Retail
Founded Binghamton, New York, U.S. (1948)
Founder(s) Richard "Dick" Stack
Headquarters Findlay Township, Pennsylvania, U.S.
Area served United States
Key people Edward W. Stack
(Chairman & CEO)
Joe H. Schmidt
(Chairman & COO)
Products Apparel
Sports equipment
Shoes
Revenue US$4.41 Billion (FY 2010)[1]
Operating income US$225 Million (FY 2010)[1]
Net income US$135 Million (FY 2010)[1]
Total assets US$2.25 Billion (FY 2010)[2]
Total equity US$1.08 Billion (FY 2010)[2]
Employees 10,400 (2008)
Quote from: bacjz00 on April 19, 2011, 01:57:32 PM
My sources say that a Dick's Sporting Goods and a Staples are going in just south of Ulta.
That's what the TMAPC agenda said, anyway. ;)
Quote from: dbacks fan on April 19, 2011, 02:27:14 PM
They started their expansion from the northeast in the 90's and have been around since the 50's.
Not Dick's....Claft (?) from KC was the developer with welfare provided by the citizens of Tulsa Tax Payers. (TIF, I think).
Anyway, it's been hit out of the ballpark. Not much left to develop.
Quote from: sgrizzle on April 19, 2011, 02:20:10 PM
Has anyone else noticed that phase 1 looks like a well planned center with no space between stores, sidewalks, and a consistent look but Phase 2 looks like it is the result of monkey flingings on a map?
This usually occurs outside Wal Mart parceled developments....think they care much for appearance? They don't want to outshine their customers.
I love Tulsa Hills. I hope they get as many chain stores as they can so I rarely have to visit 71st Mingo/169/Memorial hell when I have to shop at those places.
Quote from: hello on April 19, 2011, 02:39:05 PM
I love Tulsa Hills. I hope they get as many chain stores as they can so I rarely have to visit 71st Mingo/169/Memorial hell when I have to shop at those places.
Give it a few years. It will be as bad as the Woodland Hills area.
Quote from: swake on April 19, 2011, 01:38:54 PM
Cracker Barrel is supposed to go in by Chili's. I think I saw at one point this was going to be an office supply store, either Staples or Office Depot. Not sure which one.
Swake, are there any rumors or fact circulating on the fate or "go" date for the big commercial development south of the Creek T'Pike in Jenks?
There are several projects about to start there. First Dicks and staples will fill in the remaining anchor space next to Ulta.In the parking area in front of them they are starting construction on panera and a restaurant called freebirds. Next to that will be a Hideaway Pizza
I still don't get why they didn't build a SUPER Target.
Would Olympia (the street that runs through Tulsa Hills) be considered a city street or something to be taken care of by Tulsa Hills? Last winter, a while after the blizzard, the wife and I were going to Whataburger and almost drove into a giant pile of snow left in the slow lane in front of the wings place. No streetlights down there yet and its pretty dark in that area. I wasn't the only the only one that almost drove into it.
Quote from: hello on April 19, 2011, 02:39:05 PM
I love Tulsa Hills. I hope they get as many chain stores as they can so I rarely have to visit 71st Mingo/169/Memorial hell when I have to shop at those places.
+1
The Lowe's at Tulsa Hills is the best!
Quote from: Conan71 on April 19, 2011, 03:18:40 PM
Swake, are there any rumors or fact circulating on the fate or "go" date for the big commercial development south of the Creek T'Pike in Jenks?
It's not dead. But it's paused and downgraded. The developer has $10-15 million in the site so far and isn't broke or bankrupt so there's big incentive to do something. He's telling the city he's just waiting for the market to improve. Supposedly site work is ongoing but I don't ever see anyone working there. There was some utility work ongoing a few months ago, but that seems to have stopped. The city of Jenks did shrink the size of the available TIF for the project but did not cancel it. The developer has said that when it happens the residential portion will happen first now.
The Village on Main is going big time and is supposed to move out of the site work phase and start construction in the next month or so on buildings. I Have to believe that The Village and the two Tulsa Hills centers are together going to put off any possibility of retail in the River District for a long time by sucking all the demand out of the southwestern part of the metro area. Dick's for instance was long rumored to be part of the River District.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 19, 2011, 03:18:40 PM
Swake, are there any rumors or fact circulating on the fate or "go" date for the big commercial development south of the Creek T'Pike in Jenks?
You mean the one that Julius Puma is involved in? Perhaps Jenks saw some of the other things he's built.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3122/2670196322_4f37bae3b5.jpg)
Quote from: SXSW on April 19, 2011, 03:49:18 PM
I still don't get why they didn't build a SUPER Target.
I heard that Target wanted to build one, but that the developers were hoping for a Whole Foods style store in phase and wouldn't give Target enough room for a Super Target. Kind of short sighted now.
Quote from: Who Cares on April 19, 2011, 03:38:13 PM
In the parking area in front of them they are starting construction on panera and a restaurant called freebirds. Next to that will be a Hideaway Pizza
Freebirds menu reads like an Austin version of Chipotle. http://www.freebirds.com/menus/FWB_Norman_5.10.pdf (http://www.freebirds.com/menus/FWB_Norman_5.10.pdf)
Quote from: bmuscotty on April 19, 2011, 04:15:47 PM
Would Olympia (the street that runs through Tulsa Hills) be considered a city street or something to be taken care of by Tulsa Hills? Last winter, a while after the blizzard, the wife and I were going to Whataburger and almost drove into a giant pile of snow left in the slow lane in front of the wings place. No streetlights down there yet and its pretty dark in that area. I wasn't the only the only one that almost drove into it.
Do to the TIF financing of Tulsa Hills, the developers built Olympia but the Street became property of the City of Tulsa after completion.
Quote from: swake on April 19, 2011, 04:49:58 PM
It's not dead. But it's paused and downgraded. The developer has $10-15 million in the site so far and isn't broke or bankrupt so there's big incentive to do something. He's telling the city he's just waiting for the market to improve. Supposedly site work is ongoing but I don't ever see anyone working there. There was some utility work ongoing a few months ago, but that seems to have stopped. The city of Jenks did shrink the size of the available TIF for the project but did not cancel it. The developer has said that when it happens the residential portion will happen first now.
The Village on Main is going big time and is supposed to move out of the site work phase and start construction in the next month or so on buildings. I Have to believe that The Village and the two Tulsa Hills centers are together going to put off any possibility of retail in the River District for a long time by sucking all the demand out of the southwestern part of the metro area. Dick's for instance was long rumored to be part of the River District.
I think that site makes more sense as residential anyway. Something like Mud Island in Memphis that is oriented toward the river, which would be unique for Tulsa.
(http://awalkingpace.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/mudisland011.jpg)
Quote from: SXSW on April 19, 2011, 03:49:18 PM
I still don't get why they didn't build a SUPER Target.
Demographics were not strong enough.
Quote from: Teatownclown on April 19, 2011, 07:28:02 PM
Demographics were not strong enough.
Maybe not now, but they will be in several years as SW Tulsa continues to grow, as well as nearby Jenks and Glenpool.
Quote from: SXSW on April 19, 2011, 09:11:06 PM
Maybe not now, but they will be in several years as SW Tulsa continues to grow, as well as nearby Jenks and Glenpool.
No sense in doing now what you can put off until tomorrow. :D
Quote from: joiei on April 19, 2011, 05:28:05 PM
Freebirds menu reads like an Austin version of Chipotle. http://www.freebirds.com/menus/FWB_Norman_5.10.pdf (http://www.freebirds.com/menus/FWB_Norman_5.10.pdf)
Woo hoo!
Freebirds is great. They've got em in Dallas (and apparently Norman)... Been many years since I've had them though.
More like the good 'ol Atomic Burrito..
Quote from: Teatownclown on April 19, 2011, 07:28:02 PM
Demographics were not strong enough.
That mediocre Target isn't strong enough.
They blew it big time
Quote from: joiei on April 19, 2011, 05:28:05 PM
Freebirds menu reads like an Austin version of Chipotle. http://www.freebirds.com/menus/FWB_Norman_5.10.pdf (http://www.freebirds.com/menus/FWB_Norman_5.10.pdf)
Freebirds rocks! My daughter at OU turned me on to them.
Quote from: BKDotCom on April 19, 2011, 10:09:52 PM
That mediocre Target isn't strong enough.
They blew it big time
Like mentioned above. The developers wouldn't let them built a supertarget there so they put it in Inteller's backyard instead.
Quote from: Conan71 on April 19, 2011, 11:16:56 PM
Freebirds rocks! My daughter at OU turned me on to them.
According to the menu they have pot brownies.
So.. there's that..
Quote from: SXSW on April 19, 2011, 03:49:18 PM
I still don't get why they didn't build a SUPER Target.
AGREED. >:(
Quote from: Teatownclown on April 19, 2011, 07:28:02 PM
Demographics were not strong enough.
Look, my info is from Target management. Demographics had nothing to do with it. Target wanted a Supercenter but weren't given enough space to build one.
Quote from: swake on April 20, 2011, 08:33:50 AM
Look, my info is from Target management. Demographics had nothing to do with it. Target wanted a Supercenter but weren't given enough space to build one.
They'd gotten whatever they wanted were they willing to pay for it....but because the area hasn't got the disposable income numbers nor massive rooftops that exist on south Memorial Tarjet decided to go smaller with less rent. I am certain the developer would have welcomed a higher rent and more absorption by a major credit anchor had the company decided to look out into the future 15 years.
Quote from: Teatownclown on April 22, 2011, 05:55:29 PM
They'd gotten whatever they wanted were they willing to pay for it....but because the area hasn't got the disposable income numbers nor massive rooftops that exist on south Memorial Tarjet decided to go smaller with less rent. I am certain the developer would have welcomed a higher rent and more absorption by a major credit anchor had the company decided to look out into the future 15 years.
You are again obviously talking out your donkey. There is plenty of disposable income in the area...look up the numbers. Believe what you want, but its been well known Target tried to get a super target at Tulsa Hills and were turned down because they wanted another grocer such as whole foods, akins, etc to come in. Again, believe what you want, but your jibberish above is incorrect.
I'd always heard (primarily from these forums) that it was Target's own market research that said the area couldn't support a Super Target.
Quote from: BKDotCom on April 24, 2011, 10:22:24 AM
I'd always heard (primarily from these forums) that it was Target's own market research that said the area couldn't support a Super Target.
I will go with what was personally told to engineers by Target management and backed up by the developer. Target wanted it, developer said no.
Quote from: TUalum0982 on April 24, 2011, 10:47:18 AM
I will go with what was personally told to engineers by Target management and backed up by the developer. Target wanted it, developer said no.
Our minds are made up. Don't confuse us with facts.
;D
Man, it dodnt take long for this to become the "bad side of town" ;)
http://www.newson6.com/story/14829546/west-tulsa-shooting
Quote from: patric on June 04, 2011, 12:43:12 PM
Man, it dodnt take long for this to become the "bad side of town" ;)
http://www.newson6.com/story/14829546/west-tulsa-shooting
Really a sad story. Unfortunately for those who live in any city, these kinds of things can happen any time and any place. I'm just thankful that the young woman was not killed by this stupid act.
Quote from: patric on June 04, 2011, 12:43:12 PM
Man, it dodnt take long for this to become the "bad side of town" ;)
http://www.newson6.com/story/14829546/west-tulsa-shooting
I'm going for a long shot to say that right about where "the District" is will also be a "bad side".
Well done Riverwalk management. Well done.
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Quote from: patric on June 04, 2011, 12:43:12 PM
Man, it dodnt take long for this to become the "bad side of town" ;)
http://www.newson6.com/story/14829546/west-tulsa-shooting
This involved only him and his ex-gf. It was a domestic case. Domestic violence happens everywhere. You can't really prevent domestic violence. Townsend is more on par about the Riverwalk turning into the bad side of town with all those corrupt late night clubs, TCSO and Jenks helping each other patrol the area, and the Quiktrip down the street having to close at the same time those clubs close to prevent overflow crime to that store.