Think we'll get it? My gut is split 50/50. I desperately hope we do get it.
Quote from: ZYX on April 11, 2011, 10:45:34 PM
Think we'll get it? My gut is split 50/50. I desperately hope we do get it.
Unfortunately, the seeming inability for our mayor and council to agree on fixing $250 potholes might lead NASA to believe we will have a hard time coming up with the $28mm plane ticket to get it here (haven't they heard we have North America's furthest inland, ocean-going port not even 5-6 miles east of the museum? ;) ) much less the proper building to store it vertically. I'm relying on KRMG reports for that last comment. It appears it's supposed to be displayed vertically or at least the other finalists (rumored to be Kennedy, Johnson, Smithsonian is a slam-dunk) are able to. Honestly, I'd think you'd want a display similar to the Cosmosphere in Hutchinson, Ks. which has a model, where it's displayed horizontally unless the shuttle comes with the main engine and external tanks.
Story with rendering:
http://www.newson6.com/story/14420366/nasa-space-shuttle-decision-day
Was having a conversation with a couple of locals up in Seattle and the shuttle came up when they told me that they were hoping to get it there. Should have seen the look on their face when I said we were trying as well.
Quote from: custosnox on April 11, 2011, 11:07:14 PM
Was having a conversation with a couple of locals up in Seattle and the shuttle came up when they told me that they were hoping to get it there. Should have seen the look on their face when I said we were trying as well.
Not like our plant didn't build the largest component on the shuttle itself..
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I don't know if we really pushed as hard for it as we should have, nor have I seen them put out a convincing proposal.
One thing I would have pushed again and again was not just our location in the center of the country, but the suprisingly large number of people we would be able to serve. The area we would draw from would be from; Kansas City, Little Rock, OKC, Dallas/Fort Worth, Wichita, and even Denver and St Louis.
Its obvious one of the Shuttles will go to the east coast, one to the west. Places like Chicago and Houston already have incredible science museums that are big draws. A shuttle would be mere icing on their cake, but I don't think they would pull as many NEW people to see them, to be exposed to science and NASA, as you could get if you put one in the center of the country. A part of the country that is very underserved, has contributed a lot to the Shuttle and space programs, and that would REALLY appreciate something like the shuttle. The number of new children whose lives could be touched by something like this, who otherwise wouldnt get the chance to go to "the edges" of the country, would be enormous.
Put it in Houston and you will draw from Dallas/Fort Worth and other parts of Texas. Florida already has great science and aerospace draws that pull from other parts of the south like Georgia. DC will get a shuttle for the Smithsonian and thus they can easily serve NYC and much of the East Coast. Chicago may get one and could pull as far away as KC and St Louis. But regardless, your still leaving the middle of the country out.
Again, if you put it in Tulsa, it will be more impactful socially to many children who are otherwise underserved. IMO would lead to greater job creation. And would draw from a large swath of the country; Tulsa, Kansas City, Dallas, OKC, Wichita, Little Rock, Denver, St Louis. All of which could just as easily, or far more easily visit Tulsa than Houston (which already has so much) or Chicago (which already has great museums).
I used to run down to Dallas from Tulsa just about once a month in my younger days. A trip to KC isnt that difficult either. But put a shuttle in Houston or Chicago, its just a bridge to far for most people and your going to be leaving out a even more people further north or south. Put it in the center of the country and create an entire new space/science destination that will touch many many new lives.
Common sense says tulsa would do well to get it - centrally located, large areospace center, good organization working towards it.
But politics says we have no chance. DC, Florida, and Texas have already gotten billions from NASA and the gravy train will keep rolling. Too many votes to piss off. The last shuttle goes to a larger state with a split electorate (read contested). Add to that oour local political ineptness...
I really hope we get it, but I doubt it.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on April 12, 2011, 08:14:27 AM
Common sense says tulsa would do well to get it - centrally located, large areospace center, good organization working towards it.
But politics says we have no chance. DC, Florida, and Texas have already gotten billions from NASA and the gravy train will keep rolling. Too many votes to piss off. The last shuttle goes to a larger state with a split electorate (read contested). Add to that oour local political ineptness...
I really hope we get it, but I doubt it.
I will be SHOCKED if we get it. My prediction is Seattle (where they are already building the expansion), Houston (home of NASA Space Center) and either Ohio (Museum of Flight) or Cape Canaveral (NASA Launch Site). DC (NASM) will be getting one for sure.
Tulsa Air & Space Museum is not established enough to garner enough attention even though it would be a great location. I think a local foundation like Kaiser or Helmerich would've had to agree to fund the expansion before being chosen.
Quote from: SXSW on April 12, 2011, 09:42:39 AM
I will be SHOCKED if we get it. My prediction is Seattle (where they are already building the expansion), Houston (home of NASA Space Center) and either Ohio (Museum of Flight) or Cape Canaveral (NASA Launch Site). DC (NASM) will be getting one for sure.
Tulsa Air & Space Museum is not established enough to garner enough attention even though it would be a great location. I think a local foundation like Kaiser or Helmerich would've had to agree to fund the expansion before being chosen.
I'd be very pleased if TASM was able to get one. Shocked is a good description as well. I hope, with the local news coverage, they will not need to use the "you lose" horn sound from Price is Right.
Of course it'd relieve all the area residents who are convinced this will be publicly funded.
New York Daily News is reporting that Enterprise is going to New York when it's moved out of the NASM to make way for Discovery:
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/04/12/2011-04-12_nasa_space_shuttle_enterprise_coming_to_nycs_intrepid_seaairspace_museum_.html
That was the one Tulsa was hoping for. Looks like we are out.
Quote from: swake on April 12, 2011, 10:19:16 AM
New York Daily News is reporting that Enterprise is going to New York when it's moved out of the NASM to make way for Discovery:
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/04/12/2011-04-12_nasa_space_shuttle_enterprise_coming_to_nycs_intrepid_seaairspace_museum_.html
That was the one Tulsa was hoping for. Looks like we are out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
Their senators lobbying for it prob helped a considerable amount.
Quote from: Townsend on April 12, 2011, 10:22:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
Their senators lobbying for it prob helped a considerable amount.
Its rough when one of your senators doesn't believe that space exists :(
Such a let down if this is how it all plays out.
NEW YORK CITY!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! GET A ROPE!!!
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Quote from: Conan71 on April 12, 2011, 10:38:26 AM
NEW YORK CITY!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! GET A ROPE!!!
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The only picante sauce to endorse the murder of those who use a different brand.
KOTV grabbed the story about NYC taking our shuttle and showering us with mexican sauce.
http://www.newson6.com/story/14430328/report-enterprise-shuttle-heading-to-new-york-city (http://www.newson6.com/story/14430328/report-enterprise-shuttle-heading-to-new-york-city)
QuoteTULSA, Oklahoma -- It may be bad news for Tulsa. A New York newspaper is reporting the NASA Space Shuttle Enterprise was awarded to the Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum in New York City.
Tulsa's Air and Space Museum leaders had been requesting the prototype shuttle from the three NASA will be donating.
The Enterprise came to Tulsa International August of 1979.
The official announcement won't come until Noon Tuesday. Tulsa is one of 21 contenders hoping to land a shuttle.
random posts on twitter are now saying that dayton, seattle, and houston are not getting a shuttle. i figured houston was a lock.
Quote from: dioscorides on April 12, 2011, 11:51:16 AM
random posts on twitter are now saying that dayton, seattle, and houston are not getting a shuttle. i figured houston was a lock.
I'm not really sad, I never thought there was a real chance. It's worth trying but it was a very long shot.
Also read that Atlantis is going to Cape Canaveral.
Discovery to the Smithsonian/NASM
Enterprise to NYC
Atlantis to CC
Endeavor to ??
I would really have guessed Endeavor would go to Houston, maybe it's going to Chicago or Huntsville? I'm betting Huntsville.
California
There is nothing in the US between the coastlines except las vegas.
i am really surprised that there are going to be three on the east coast. i figured they would spread them out across the country.
It's on NYTimes now: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/space-shuttle-to-land-in-manhattan/
Kind of a shame considering NYC already has plenty of attractions and Tulsa actually played a part in the construction of the shuttles. I don't know that it would have been a destination attraction for Tulsa, but at the least it contributes to a critical mass of things to make people want to spend a few days in our city.
There is a whole list of criteria you were supposed to meet to get a shuttle. Tulsa was one of only 6 or 7 to meet all of them. NYC wasn't one of the others.
Quote from: sgrizzle on April 12, 2011, 12:28:49 PM
There is a whole list of criteria you were supposed to meet to get a shuttle. Tulsa was one of only 6 or 7 to meet all of them. NYC wasn't one of the others.
Evidently NYC has a trump card. (No pun about the man with the funny hair intended.)
If I could buy a shirt with this logo today, I would wear it:
Man, another couple of these disappointments and we might as well dissolve the state. We can be North Texas, South Kansas, West Arkansas, or Missouri's left bottom.
Wouldn't matter much to me. At least we'd have a water front, a better state capital, prettier hills, or an arch. Maybe a train for us.
BTW Swake, nice job on scooping all the local news organizations again.
Did politics play into the decisions?
Must have. :(
Oh well, less government. :)
NASA Administrator Charles Bolden stated "This was a very difficult decision, but one that was made with the American public in mind."
How does putting 3 on the east side of the country and 1 on the west have the American public in mind? Makes absolutely no sense at all.
I didnt think we had a snowballs chance in hell of getting it, but deep down inside, I was hoping we would. I think it would be a great draw.
Quote from: TUalum0982 on April 12, 2011, 02:52:36 PM
How does putting 3 on the east side of the country and 1 on the west have the American public in mind? Makes absolutely no sense at all.
sgrizzle:
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There is nothing in the US between the coastlines except las vegas.
116 Electoral votes.
Quote from: HazMatCFO on April 12, 2011, 08:02:12 PM
116 Electoral votes.
It costs too much to get them compared to the others. Too much distance to cover.