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Title: Gas Price
Post by: Red Arrow on April 01, 2011, 01:58:58 PM
I don't expect any sympathy about the price of Avgas but maybe you can feel better about paying $3.35/gal of regular.

http://www.airnav.com/fuel/report.html

Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: Conan71 on April 01, 2011, 02:05:46 PM
Makes a Mogas conversion almost sound like a good idea.
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: Red Arrow on April 01, 2011, 02:12:32 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on April 01, 2011, 02:05:46 PM
Makes a Mogas conversion almost sound like a good idea.

Unfortunately many/most planes do not qualify.  I think only planes that used 80/87 qualify.  There are also issues with altitude for higher performance planes due to vapor pressure of the gasoline.  Car gas also gums out if not used relatively quickly.  Car gas with ethanol is a no-go, even at 10%.  I believe it is a corrosion and gasket/o-ring issue.  There's a lot more to it than just putting car gas in your plane.

Having said that, there are a lot of planes where it works just fine.
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: Conan71 on April 01, 2011, 03:24:40 PM
Notice I said "almost".

How costly is the STC to do the conversion on a standard 4 cylinder Lycoming or Continental?
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: DolfanBob on April 01, 2011, 04:32:05 PM
Oh they just feel you rich Doctor's, Lawyer's, CEO's, Polititians and Non Profit Bowl committee Chairmen can afford that high priced Jet fuel.  ;D
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: Hoss on April 01, 2011, 06:04:38 PM
Quote from: DolfanBob on April 01, 2011, 04:32:05 PM
Oh they just feel you rich Doctor's, Lawyer's, CEO's, Polititians and Non Profit Bowl committee Chairmen can afford that high priced Jet fuel.  ;D

JetA has always been cheaper than 100LL (or blue gold as we started calling it when my friend and I were doing a bit of flying three or four years ago).  Not by much, but it is cheaper.  JetA is essentially kerosene.
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: Red Arrow on April 01, 2011, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: DolfanBob on April 01, 2011, 04:32:05 PM
Oh they just feel you rich Doctor's, Lawyer's, CEO's, Polititians and Non Profit Bowl committee Chairmen can afford that high priced Jet fuel.  ;D

I'm just a Mechanical Engineer.  The only reason I can (almost) afford to fly is that I have no kids or ex/present wife.
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: RecycleMichael on April 01, 2011, 09:22:38 PM
Quote from: Red Arrow on April 01, 2011, 06:32:22 PM
I'm just a Mechanical Engineer.  The only reason I can (almost) afford to fly is that I have no kids or ex/present wife.

I got some you can have.
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: Red Arrow on April 02, 2011, 09:59:05 AM
Quote from: RecycleMichael on April 01, 2011, 09:22:38 PM
I got some you can have.

Thanks but I'll pass.

If I have a sudden urge to have one, I'll go to WalMart.  I see them being pushed around in the carts like groceries all the time.  I need to ask which aisle they are on though since  I only see them in the carts.
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: Hoss on April 02, 2011, 10:42:39 AM
Quote from: Red Arrow on April 02, 2011, 09:59:05 AM
Thanks but I'll pass.

If I have a sudden urge to have one, I'll go to WalMart.  I see them being pushed around in the carts like groceries all the time.  I need to ask which aisle they are on though since  I only see them in the carts.

But I'll only do that if Wal-Mart promises to honor their return policy for defects.

;D
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: custosnox on April 02, 2011, 11:04:57 AM
Quote from: Hoss on April 02, 2011, 10:42:39 AM
But I'll only do that if Wal-Mart promises to honor their return policy for defects.

;D

you have to prove it was a manufactures defect and not user error
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: Red Arrow on April 02, 2011, 06:40:38 PM
Quote from: Hoss on April 02, 2011, 10:42:39 AM
But I'll only do that if Wal-Mart promises to honor their return policy for defects.

;D


I believe the policy is that all children are guaranteed to have defects.
;D
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: Conan71 on April 05, 2011, 06:26:18 PM
Quote from: Red Arrow on April 02, 2011, 06:40:38 PM
I believe the policy is that all children are guaranteed to have defects.
;D


I had to take one to a mechanic yesterday to get a faulty appendix removed.  ;)
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: Red Arrow on April 05, 2011, 06:31:14 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on April 05, 2011, 06:26:18 PM
I had to take one to a mechanic yesterday to get a faulty appendix removed.  ;)

There you are, defects guaranteed.

Edit: I hope the mechanic and kid did alright.
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: Conan71 on April 05, 2011, 06:36:32 PM
Quote from: Red Arrow on April 05, 2011, 06:31:14 PM
There you are, defects guaranteed.

Edit: I hope the mechanic and kid did alright.

Damned amazing.  She hadn't felt good for a week and went into full-blown pain about 2am Sunday morning.  Took 10 1/2 hours to get her seen and properly diagnosed, 12 hours until she was on the table.  She can go back to school tomorrow if she feels up to it. Back to competition cheer practice next week.

20 years ago, that would put you on your back for at least a week or longer.  IIRC, a friend had his appendix out 20 or 22 years ago and he was off work two weeks.  That's when they'd lay you open for such a procedure.

She's had a rough month.  She had a cheer accident a few weeks back and broke her nose and got a minor concussion.  She's promised no more hospital time...ever.
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: joiei on April 05, 2011, 08:32:37 PM
Take care with that concussion. 
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: guido911 on April 05, 2011, 08:40:25 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on April 05, 2011, 06:36:32 PM
She had a cheer accident a few weeks back and broke her nose and got a minor concussion. 

Wow. That's a rough activity there. My daughter did BJJ and Muay Thai for two years and barely got a scratch. Glad to hear your little one is squared away.
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: sauerkraut on April 06, 2011, 05:50:09 PM
Fuel prices are going up about 10 cents a week. Fuel is over $4.00 a gallon in many places right now. That's mostly because with the democrats we can't drill for our own oil We get our life blood of oil from the worlds most unstable area. They see no signs that feul prices will level off or drop. Had we been drilling in Alaska, the loss of Lybian oil would be more than made up for. In 1994 Congress approved opening up Anwar for drilling but Clionton vetoed it. We could of had Alaska sweet crude oil flowing right now if not for Bill Clinton. Thank a democrat everytime ya fill up.
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: nathanm on April 06, 2011, 06:02:11 PM
Quote from: sauerkraut on April 06, 2011, 05:50:09 PM
Fuel prices are going up about 10 cents a week. Fuel is over $4.00 a gallon in many places right now. That's mostly because with the democrats we can't drill for our own oil We get our life blood of oil from the worlds most unstable area. They see no signs that feul prices will level off or drop. Had we been drilling in Alaska, the loss of Lybian oil would be more than made up for. In 1994 Congress approved opening up Anwar for drilling but Clionton vetoed it. We could of had Alaska sweet crude oil flowing right now if not for Bill Clinton. Thank a democrat everytime ya fill up.
Welcome back!

I see that you didn't use your time off to reconnect with reality.
Title: Re: Gas Price
Post by: Hoss on April 06, 2011, 06:28:36 PM
Quote from: nathanm on April 06, 2011, 06:02:11 PM
Welcome back!

I see that you didn't use your time off to reconnect with reality.

Must have lost his library card.