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Poll
Question: It's the time of year to reflect, so while we're reflecting, what was the greatest crime commited by George Lucas?
Option 1: Re-editing so Greedo shots first instead of Han votes: 0
Option 2: The Prequels votes: 1
Option 3: Replacing Wookies with Ewoks in Return of the Jedi votes: 1
Option 4: Midichlorians votes: 1
Option 5: Announcing he will convert all the movies to 3D (a la Ted Turner) votes: 1
Option 6: Indiana Jones 4 votes: 3
Title: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: sgrizzle on December 28, 2010, 09:18:15 PM
If you have another answer, feel free to comment.
Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: dbacks fan on December 28, 2010, 09:55:55 PM
Quote from: sgrizzle on December 28, 2010, 09:18:15 PM
If you have another answer, feel free to comment.

All of the above.

(first vote)
Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: Ed W on December 28, 2010, 10:06:15 PM
You left out Jar Jar Binks, though I'll admit that Indiana Jones 4 is close.

Jar Jar Binks must die.
Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: Hoss on December 28, 2010, 10:10:44 PM
Hayden Christiansen.  Wow.  Can anyone say 'overact'?
Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: dbacks fan on December 28, 2010, 10:21:48 PM
Quote from: Hoss on December 28, 2010, 10:10:44 PM
Hayden Christiansen.  Wow.  Can anyone say 'overact'?

That's one of the reasons I put in my write in vote.
Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: Conan71 on December 28, 2010, 11:12:36 PM
I'm prepared to be showered with beer cans but:

To be perfectly honest, everything after American Graffiti was just fluff absolutely sucks ;)

Okay, I'm sure there's more than a few geeks out there who would be shocked to know he even did that flick

The FX in the very first (as in 1977) Star Wars film was incredibly basic by today's standards and even the standards of 1960's James Bond movies.  I'm always amazed at how I was so taken in by the "advanced" effects at the time the movie came out, yet it really wasn't superior to anything which came before on a per budget basis, in retrospect.  Watching Sean Connery-era James Bond movies proves my point.

As far as Ewoks, I own one, so I can't complain there.
Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: custosnox on December 28, 2010, 11:17:23 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on December 28, 2010, 11:12:36 PM
I'm prepared to be showered with beer cans but:

To be perfectly honest, everything after American Graffiti was just fluff  ;)

Okay, I'm sure there's more than a few geeks out there who would be shocked to know he even did that flick

The FX in the very first (as in 1977) Star Wars film were incredibly basic by today's standards and even the standards of 1960's James Bond movies.

As far as Ewoks, I own one, so I can't complain there.
I had planning on buying you a Marshels one of these days, but you just blew it.  The world would be a much sadder place without the genius that George has brought to this world /geekrant
Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: Conan71 on December 28, 2010, 11:51:51 PM
Quote from: custosnox on December 28, 2010, 11:17:23 PM
I had planning on buying you a Marshels one of these days, but you just blew it.  The world would be a much sadder place without the genius that George has brought to this world /geekrant

To leave Lucas out as a significant film maker on anyone's list would be a complete crime but you have to appreciate where those films came from in the first place.   I mainly meant to make the post a history lesson to anyone who didn't really understand the Genesis of Star Wars.  I simply can't compete with everyone else's avid appreciation for Lucas' complete Star Wars collection. (can you hear me trying to re-earn that Marshalls?)

American Graffiti isn't one of the most under-rated movies of all time, but it's overall place in what it meant to the story-telling genius of George Lucas is frequently over-looked by his core fans.  Had American Graffiti grossed a few million, it would have faded into history.  Instead, it's grossed over $200 million and inspired countless film makers in it's wake (The documentary, multiple story line approach was very ably repeated by Quinton Tarrantino in Pulp Fiction).  Aside from what American Graffiti did in validating Lucas' story-telling ability, it gave him some economic prowess to make things happen after it's great success.  Here's where it gets interesting:  Legend has it he already had the framework for Star Wars in his head in 1971, but couldn't get it financed without more financial clout and commercial demand for his skills.  They were well-proved by AG. 

One of my favorite Hollywood stories has it that an underemployed actor moonlighting as a caprpenter named Harry Ford was building a door frame in the office of a budding young writer/producer/director in 1972 who was either on the verge of greatness or being kicked out of the Hollywood inner-circle after the flop of THX 1138.  I think I first heard it on Paul Harvey's "The Rest Of The Story".

Oh, and FYI- Bob Falfa was the original Darth Vader  ;)
Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: Red Arrow on December 29, 2010, 12:00:55 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on December 28, 2010, 11:51:51 PM
Oh, and FYI- Bob Falfa was the original Darth Vader  ;)

Can't find him on IMDB
Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: dbacks fan on December 29, 2010, 12:16:28 AM
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 29, 2010, 12:00:55 AM
Can't find him on IMDB

Surely you jest. Bob Falfa, drove the wickedest '55 Chevy? Rolled it racing Milner?

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2205652992/tt0069704 (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2205652992/tt0069704)

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3094845440/tt0069704 (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3094845440/tt0069704)

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2255984640/tt0069704 (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2255984640/tt0069704)

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2172098560/tt0069704 (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2172098560/tt0069704)

FYI the guy playing bass is Donald "Duck" Dunn and the guitarist is Steve Cropper from the Blues Brothers








Now I gotta go watch this.
Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: Conan71 on December 29, 2010, 12:37:10 AM
Booker Jones compadres Steve Cropper and Donald Dunn- thank you Dback!  Free pat on the back to the first person to explain those two's significance not only to the film industry with classic cameo appearances in a major Hollywood pic but the gazillions of stars they've worked with over the years in the music industry.
Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: dbacks fan on December 29, 2010, 12:41:22 AM
Quote from: Conan71 on December 29, 2010, 12:37:10 AM
Booker Jones compadres Steve Cropper and Donald Dunn- thank you Dback!  Free pat on the back to the first person to explain those two's significance not only to the film industry with classic cameo appearances in a major Hollywood pic but the gazillions of stars they've worked with over the years in the music industry.

I know the answer but I will keep it to myself. That video was from 1967 and here they are in 2002, 35 years later and they still rock the house.



sgrizz, foregive my thread drift.
Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: Conan71 on December 29, 2010, 12:48:06 AM
Great music, but they've, uh, morphed.  Either Cropper is a lot bigger or Dunn lost a freighter load of weight.  Wow! 

It's a great rocking tune when bands bring out "Green Onions" in a bar gig, but I still think the studio version is hard to beat.  Not complaining, just sayin'
Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: TheArtist on December 29, 2010, 08:37:57 AM
Jar Jar Binks,  greatest crime hands down. 
Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: Townsend on December 29, 2010, 08:54:33 AM

Crappity crappity crap crap
(http://www.dedroidify.com/blogimages/No-Darth_Vader.jpg)  and (http://www.toxicshock.tv/news/wp-content/uploads/indiana_jones_poster_10_harrison_ford.jpg)


Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: Red Arrow on December 29, 2010, 09:50:26 AM
Quote from: dbacks fan on December 29, 2010, 12:16:28 AM
Surely you jest. Bob Falfa, drove the wickedest '55 Chevy? Rolled it racing Milner?

I searched using his name and it didn't come up.  Maybe a glitch at imdb at the time.

Title: Re: Greatest crime commited by George Lucas
Post by: custosnox on December 29, 2010, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on December 28, 2010, 11:51:51 PM
To leave Lucas out as a significant film maker on anyone's list would be a complete crime but you have to appreciate where those films came from in the first place.   I mainly meant to make the post a history lesson to anyone who didn't really understand the Genesis of Star Wars.  I simply can't compete with everyone else's avid appreciation for Lucas' complete Star Wars collection. (can you hear me trying to re-earn that Marshalls?)

American Graffiti isn't one of the most under-rated movies of all time, but it's overall place in what it meant to the story-telling genius of George Lucas is frequently over-looked by his core fans.  Had American Graffiti grossed a few million, it would have faded into history.  Instead, it's grossed over $200 million and inspired countless film makers in it's wake (The documentary, multiple story line approach was very ably repeated by Quinton Tarrantino in Pulp Fiction).  Aside from what American Graffiti did in validating Lucas' story-telling ability, it gave him some economic prowess to make things happen after it's great success.  Here's where it gets interesting:  Legend has it he already had the framework for Star Wars in his head in 1971, but couldn't get it financed without more financial clout and commercial demand for his skills.  They were well-proved by AG. 

One of my favorite Hollywood stories has it that an underemployed actor moonlighting as a caprpenter named Harry Ford was building a door frame in the office of a budding young writer/producer/director in 1972 who was either on the verge of greatness or being kicked out of the Hollywood inner-circle after the flop of THX 1138.  I think I first heard it on Paul Harvey's "The Rest Of The Story".

Oh, and FYI- Bob Falfa was the original Darth Vader  ;)
Forgive my spelling, it was late, and I was really tired.  I knew I had it misspelled bout couldnt get myself in line to fix it.  I ask for your pardon.

I have never managed to watch American Grafitti personally, though it is on the "really need to do" list.  I know Lucas could not have made it where he did without it to open the way.  A great book that I found on him is Droid Maker.  I don't remember the Auther, but it had a lot of what was going on in the industry, and his contributions to it. 

I'll consider maybe still buying you that Marshall's, but I'll have to see how you behave between now and when I have a few bucks.