The Hyatt is in the process of painting all the Crowne Plaza's red walls white. (Ugh. White? Really?) The saddest part is that they just painted over William the Artist's awesome collection of Mayfest murals. >:( I really loved walking by those on a regular basis. We need more public art, not less, and I thought it was a cool tradition to keep adding a little "snippet" from each year's poster. So sad to see those go. And for what? Solid white walls. Somebody definitely flew over the cuckoo's nest on this one.
Quote from: PonderInc on December 22, 2010, 02:59:52 PM
The Hyatt is in the process of painting all the Crowne Plaza's red walls white. (Ugh. White? Really?) The saddest part is that they just painted over William the Artist's awesome collection of Mayfest murals. >:( I really loved walking by those on a regular basis. We need more public art, not less, and I thought it was a cool tradition to keep adding a little "snippet" from each year's poster. So sad to see those go. And for what? Solid white walls. Somebody definitely flew over the cuckoo's nest on this one.
The Realtor told them to.
There was an agreement to keep the murals but that was with the company who never paid their bills.
Seriously? What was gained by painting them over white?
Boooo. Bad call.
I really liked the murals. They were my idea that I took to the Mayfest board and the manager of the hotel. I even got the paint donated for the first one.
Oh well.
Jerks. :'(
Well goodness. I had been asked whether or not I would be willing to tape off the artwork and I said absolutely. I would have gone out there and done it for free and done any touch-ups that were needed afterward. They were going to ask the new owners to let me do that... apparently to no avail. That was a lot of work I put into those. Lot of memories too. And white? A blank white wall? Heck, even just the red itself looked much better. Thats one thing I have noticed about Tulsa compared to a lot of other cities. We seem to be afraid of color. Everything is some variation of taupe or beige. Booooring and depressing. I hope they let someone do something with that wall. Its right smack dab at the end of Main street and needs something to liven it up.
Quote from: TheArtist on December 22, 2010, 05:25:07 PM
Well goodness. I had been asked whether or not I would be willing to tape off the artwork and I said absolutely. I would have gone out there and done it for free and done any touch-ups that were needed afterward. They were going to ask the new owners to let me do that... apparently to no avail. That was a lot of work I put into those. Lot of memories too. And white? A blank white wall? Heck, even just the red itself looked much better. Thats one thing I have noticed about Tulsa compared to a lot of other cities. We seem to be afraid of color. Everything is some variation of taupe or beige. Booooring and depressing. I hope they let someone do something with that wall. Its right smack dab at the end of Main street and needs something to liven it up.
Do you have any photos of the murals that you could post?
Good news. The Kaiser Family Foundation owns the hotel and they are working to repaint the murals and will pay the bills. It was the decision of the Hyatt people to paint over the mural
Once again, thank you to George Kaiser.
Unfortunately I don't have any photos of the mural from this year. I was always like,,, Oh, it will be there I will get one later. Does anyone else have one? I have this one that is a rendering. The bird and flowers are the actual painting, but the children are the ones I "cut and pasted" from the last Mayfest poster to show composition to get approval for this years addition.
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2599/mayfest2010bweb.jpg)
(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6599/amural.jpg)
Thank you
Edit add:
New Hotel, new logo or not, they should have left the mural there.
Plain white wall.... how boring and blech!
It's Hyatt. What can you expect?
I have spent some time in Hyatt's nationwide the last couple years (enough to get 6 free nights) but they are just another hotel. Nothing special. And not particularly imaginative in the art they hang in the hotels, either, so can't really expect much.
Stupid company.
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 23, 2010, 09:16:27 AM
Thank you
Edit add:
New Hotel, new logo or not, they should have left the mural there.
Plain white wall.... how boring and blech!
Great blank canvas for taggers.
The photos make me wonder about the article saying they were painting over the mural and Crowne Plaza logos
Is it just me or is the Crowne plaza logo a sign?
http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=13736320
Photo gives you an idea about how large that mural actually was. Them was some BIG flowers and a BIG bird.
Quote from: TheArtist on December 24, 2010, 10:11:12 AM
Photo gives you an idea about how large that mural actually was. Them was some BIG flowers and a BIG bird.
Big for sure.
When you paint something that big, do you have to stand back a bit to make sure everything is right or do you have the ability to stay up close, like on the scaffolding/ladder, and still "see" the finished product? That's something I've always wanted to know about sign painters and artists that do huge projects like that.
That is too bad. Maybe the murals can be recreated somewhere else?
I still wish someway, somehow Main could go north of 3rd to connect to 1st and the bridge to Brady. I realize that would mean tearing down that section of the Crown Plaz.. er Hyatt and the Williams Forum but it would really improve connectivity downtown. If there was anyone who could make this happen it would be Kaiser and he now owns both buildings...
Quote from: SXSW on December 27, 2010, 11:39:52 AM
That is too bad. Maybe the murals can be recreated somewhere else?
I still wish someway, somehow Main could go north of 3rd to connect to 1st and the bridge to Brady. I realize that would mean tearing down that section of the Crown Plaz.. er Hyatt and the Williams Forum but it would really improve connectivity downtown. If there was anyone who could make this happen it would be Kaiser and he now owns both buildings...
Even just a pedestrian-only connection would be better than nothing, some type of system of tunnels/skywalks/corridors that's open 24/7. It's quite annoying trying to walk from the center of downtown to the Brady District.
Quote from: sgrizzle on December 23, 2010, 08:55:00 PM
The photos make me wonder about the article saying they were painting over the mural and Crowne Plaza logos
Is it just me or is the Crowne plaza logo a sign?
Must have been seeing this.... The sign was gone and what was left was being painted over.
Again, gives you an idea of how large the mural actually was.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?
subjectid=32&articleid=20101223_32_E1_Victor847962&archive=yes
photo by Christopher Smith of TW
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4868/bychristophersmithtw.jpg)
Btw. I have been asked to give a quote on what it would take to repaint the mural. Just a shame I couldn't have taped off or had them paint everything but right close to the mural and let me paint around it. I would have done it for free in order to save it. Its going to be a lot of work to repaint the whole thing all at once. Its NO fun painting outside, up on a wall like that lol. As for perspective and scale, some smaller parts I can actually draw an outline on paper and trace that onto the wall. For larger items I take my photoshop image and put lines over it, then put those same lines to scale on the wall with a chalk line, and can also "count bricks", aka. I could look at the image on my sheet of paper and see that the tip of the birds beak is 2 bricks over and 2 bricks up from its base, then connect the points, that sort of thing.
OSHA would love to see that photo on the right with the guy leaning way left of his ladder.
Did you happen to read the comments on the KOTV site? Some dipshit called the work "amateurish". I'm just guessing there's maybe 10 people in this town, if that, who could have pulled off what you did.
Quote from: Conan71 on December 27, 2010, 06:50:14 PM
OSHA would love to see that photo on the right with the guy leaning way left of his ladder.
Did you happen to read the comments on the KOTV site? Some dipshit called the work "amateurish". I'm just guessing there's maybe 10 people in this town, if that, who could have pulled off what you did.
Thanks for the defense, but I am sure there are a lot of artists in this town who could do what I did. The trick can sometimes be finding someone who will do it for the price I did it for lol, and or who will reliably show up (I have worked with other artists and some tend to not be all that reliable or trustworthy,,,talented, but could use more discipline. Sometimes its not about having super talent, but showing up and reliably doing a good job on time and on budget) and or would be willing to climb around up that high in the weather lol.
"Amateurish"? apparently the commenter had no idea of the process. I didn't create the artwork (except for the bird), I took other artists artwork and added that to the mural. Unless the guy thought my arrangement choices were amateurish lol. For instance the fun kite was taken from the 2007 Mayfest Poster by Gailard Sartain. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070509_1_A2_LENWo24808 I don't know how I could have painted the kite on there in a less "amateurish" way? (and I have painted the kite twice for the first larger version itself was painted over when they painted the building red) Did my kite really look that different from the original? The little kids I took from this years poster,,, I added a lot more detail to them than was in the painting for they were tiny in the poster and could not have a lot of detail. And I thought I did quite well considering their faces had to be painted on bricks lol. But anyway, I doubt the commenter had any idea of what the process for the creation of the mural was. Plus, the idea was that it would never really be done but would, hopefully, continue to be added to year after year until it became one massive mural, covering the whole wall and containing parts from many years past. If they would quit painting over the danged thing lol.
Is G-Ailard S-Artains Mayfest picture still painted on a wall downtown ? or did it go the way of the white wall ?
Rage. That is all.
Scaffolding...lots of scaffolding....or at least 4 or 5.
...cheaply rented by the month.
TheArtist,
Have you ever used a projector for the line tracing outline part? Not sure it would work on something that big....?? Works pretty good on car, bus, wall application.
Quote from: DolfanBob on December 30, 2010, 12:16:49 PM
Is G-Ailard S-Artains Mayfest picture still painted on a wall downtown ? or did it go the way of the white wall ?
that was TheArtist's work that we are talking about.
Quote from: sgrizzle on January 03, 2011, 10:32:02 PM
that was TheArtist's work that we are talking about.
Ya I know. I was just curious if his picture was painted over also.
I don't get Downtown much.
Quote from: DolfanBob on January 04, 2011, 09:03:48 AM
Ya I know. I was just curious if his picture was painted over also.
I don't get Downtown much.
his picture was only about 7" across and hanging in someone's living room.
Quote from: sgrizzle on January 04, 2011, 09:09:27 AM
his picture was only about 7" across and hanging in someone's living room.
I knew I wasnt crazy. A little bigger than 7 inches across.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070509_1_A2_LENWo24808
The first year I was asked to paint the mural was the year Sartain did the poster. I painted a super large version of the kite on the wall. The Crowne Plaza then painted the wall red and painted over the kite. I mean how hard would it have been to cover up a rectangle? The next year I painted some flowers from that years poster. The next year I painted the bird from the Mayfest Poster I was fortunate to get to paint. Last year when I added the children from that poster I also went ahead and added the kite back, though it was smaller than it was the first time I painted it. Then the J@&#%!s painted over everything. Double aaargh.
As for a projector, not sure that would work outside there as bright as it is even at night. Plus with the size of most things you would probably need a projector thats even more powerful than he one I have. But for smaller things like the figures I do project parts of them to scale on large sheets of paper, then tape that to the wall in the position I want and trace it onto the wall. The flowers can be done free hand since they are "organic" and dont have to really be exact.
Just for some opinions...
If I get to do the whole thing over again, would you prefer I do everything back the way I had done it, perhaps with some minor tweaks? Or, would you think it ok for me to kind of take all the pieces and rearrange/reproportion them into a more coherent whole?
Though even then, I couldn't predict what each future years artist is going to do, so have to be creative in putting in a piece from the artists work into the mural and thus the mural will never be one perfect scene but an every growing "collage".
Yeah, I can see that all right - projector gives up pretty quick at larger scale.
What to do?? I would vote for using your imagination and repeat the best from the old and make improvements where you think they should be. Must be something that you have thought should be done differently....
Artist- considering the owner of the wall didn't think this was historically significant enough to preserve, I'd re-apportion them into a more coherent whole if that's an option. Either that or start with this year's poster and add on until someone else paints over it. I'd assumed after they painted over the first one it was intended as temporary work. Now I'm rather disappointed the Hyatt didn't consider the value your mural added to the downtown streetscape.
Quote from: DolfanBob on January 04, 2011, 09:24:50 AM
I knew I wasnt crazy. A little bigger than 7 inches across.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070509_1_A2_LENWo24808
I didn't say the canvas was 7", just the kite.
Quote from: sgrizzle on January 05, 2011, 06:40:53 AM
I didn't say the canvas was 7", just the kite.
Thats cool. I was just asking if it had been painted over. In a round about way I got the answer. I didnt even know that Artist was the one who painted it, and his words saying that he painted a super large version of the "kite" makes it sound a little bigger than 7",
Quote from: sgrizzle on January 05, 2011, 06:40:53 AM
I didn't say the canvas was 7", just the kite.
7" or 7'?
Men are always stretching inches
I would guess the first kite I painted on the wall was about 30 feet or so from top to tail. Rumor on the grapevine is that the Hyatt wants something new painted there. New hotel, new look, kind of thing. Will probably wait to see what the new poster looks like then go from there.
Quote from: Conan71 on January 05, 2011, 10:12:19 AM
Men are always stretching inches
No advantage to that. A longer inch would make a 15" fish a 12" fish.
Inches should be compressed to turn a 15" fish into a 18" fish.
Just for instance.
;D
Quote from: Red Arrow on January 05, 2011, 08:34:39 PM
No advantage to that. A longer inch would make a 15" fish a 12" fish.
Inches should be compressed to turn a 15" fish into a 18" fish.
Just for instance.
;D
Let's see how quickly I can get banned:
Know the difference between a Goldfish and a penis? If you beat a Goldfish it dies. Well I guess the penis does too but only for awhile.
Quote from: Red Arrow on January 05, 2011, 08:34:39 PM
No advantage to that. A longer inch would make a 15" fish a 12" fish.
Inches should be compressed to turn a 15" fish into a 18" fish.
Just for instance.
;D
Coincidentally someone contacted Mayfest a couple of years ago and said that the ticket price should be changed from 50c to 25c, to make the food half the price.
Quote from: sgrizzle on January 06, 2011, 07:06:09 AM
Coincidentally someone contacted Mayfest a couple of years ago and said that the ticket price should be changed from 50c to 25c, to make the food half the price.
did it not occure to them that they would just have to use twice as many tickets?
Quote from: custosnox on January 06, 2011, 08:14:31 AM
did it not occure to them that they would just have to use twice as many tickets?
That obvious concept failed them.