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QuoteMohamud, a naturalized U.S. citizen and student at Oregon State University, was taken into custody near the square after he attempted to use a cellphone to trigger what he believed was a car bomb, according to a U.S. government complaint.
He lashed out at agents, yelling and kicking them, and had to be restrained, it said.
Agents had shadowed Mohamud and met him several times as the plot developed, the U.S. government said. He told FBI agents that he had thought of waging violent jihad, or holy war, since the age of 15, federal officials said.
Mohamud proceeded with the plot despite opportunities to back away, according to the complaint, which quotes him praising the September 11, 2001 attack on New York City and expressing a desire to see "body parts and blood" in Portland.
"I want whoever is attending that event to leave, to leave either dead or injured."
The Mogadishu-born Mohamud planned to flee the United States after exploding his car bomb, the government said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AQ0GK20101127
But let's keep molesting Catholic Nuns by all means.
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Amish and Quakers?
When the FBI "foils a terrorist plot" it usually involves a scenario that was cooked up by the FBI, funded by them and materials provided by undercover agents. Just add incompetent malcontent, stir, let simmer.
Quote from: patric on November 27, 2010, 03:50:42 PM
When the FBI "foils a terrorist plot" it usually involves a scenario that was cooked up by the FBI, funded by them and materials provided by undercover agents. Just add incompetent malcontent, stir, let simmer.
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Quote from: guido911 on November 27, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
You're kidding; right?
Consider the source of the reply.
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 27, 2010, 10:44:21 PM
Consider the source of the reply.
Yes, as I'm doing with this...
Quote from: Hoss on November 27, 2010, 10:46:16 PM
Yes, as I'm doing with this...
I would expect nothing less from you and I also consider the source when you reply.
Next.....
Quote from: guido911 on November 27, 2010, 07:33:42 PM
You're kidding; right?
Actually, no. Walk me through it.
Red Arrow: believe it or not, even the most evil and rapacious of us libs don't catch all of your secret tea party code words. Even though Olbermann is supposed to have them all decoded already.
Actually, the Amish are the present day representatives of the Anabaptists, whose members were vilified, persecuted, and killed in the Middle Ages for their opposition to both church and state. And the Quakers were thrown out of the New England colonies where they were widely regarded as heretics and troublemakers. The Society of Friends is still involved in many anti-war and anti-nuclear protests.
So, yes, those pesky Amish and Quakers are still at it, and in another context some here would undoubtedly regard them as anti-American.
Quote from: we vs us on November 27, 2010, 11:14:12 PM
Actually, no. Walk me through it.
Red Arrow: believe it or not, even the most evil and rapacious of us libs don't catch all of your secret tea party code words. Even though Olbermann is supposed to have them all decoded already.
Sorry, you need to join the society and get the secret decoder ring.
Edit:
Forgot to say that although I am obviously right of center, I am not a card carrying Tea Party Member (if such a thing even exists), nor am I about to fall off the right side of the earth. It just looks that way from your perch.
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 28, 2010, 10:41:58 AM
Sorry, you need to join the society and get the secret decoder ring.
Edit:
Forgot to say that although I am obviously right of center, I am not a card carrying Tea Party Member (if such a thing even exists), nor am I about to fall off the right side of the earth. It just looks that way from your perch.
Actually from my perch you seem one of the more reasonable rightward oriented folks here.
And believe it or not, I'm much more of a pragmatist than I pretend to be.
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 28, 2010, 10:41:58 AM
Sorry, you need to join the society and get the secret decoder ring.
"Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."
OSU doesn't claim him. He apparently was a drop out.
http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archives/2010/nov/clarification-individual-arrested-bomb-plot-not-osu-student
And the local KKK in that area may have already started "payback" operations, without finding out any facts of the case, like if that punk even attended the place. There was an arson fire at a Muslim place of worship facility in Corvallis.
Quote from: Ed W on November 28, 2010, 05:30:56 AM
Actually, the Amish are the present day representatives of the Anabaptists, whose members were vilified, persecuted, and killed in the Middle Ages for their opposition to both church and state. And the Quakers were thrown out of the New England colonies where they were widely regarded as heretics and troublemakers. The Society of Friends is still involved in many anti-war and anti-nuclear protests.
So, yes, those pesky Amish and Quakers are still at it, and in another context some here would undoubtedly regard them as anti-American.
Post of the year candidate.
Quote from: we vs us on November 27, 2010, 11:14:12 PM
Actually, no. Walk me through it.
Red Arrow: believe it or not, even the most evil and rapacious of us libs don't catch all of your secret tea party code words. Even though Olbermann is supposed to have them all decoded already.
Islam is supposed to be the "Religion of Peace". Thus, one would never suspect a Muslim would ever be suspected of committing a violent act; as opposed to some other religion with a known history of violence and murder against innocents such as the Amish.
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 27, 2010, 11:02:55 PM
I would expect nothing less from you and I also consider the source when you reply.
Next.....
Why engage that doosh. The guy has not had an original thought since he farted last.
Kind of like the Mormons were driven out from everywhere they went, until Utah.
Quote from: guido911 on November 28, 2010, 10:01:49 PM
Why engage that doosh. The guy has not had an original thought since he farted last.
We have fun aggravating each other.
Quote from: guido911 on November 28, 2010, 10:01:49 PM
Why engage that doosh. The guy has not had an original thought since he farted last.
This coming from the guy who essentially parrots Drudge and anything Breitbart says. That's rich..LOL.
And once again, an ad-hom. That's really takes some brains, doesn't it Tony?
Hoss, it's the eternal fall-back position. Resort to insults/name calling when nothing-to-say comes to mind.
In "school" it's taught in class "RWRE 101". Don't you listen to Limbaugh, Hannity and their ilk?
Guido,
Or maybe a variety of so-called "Christian's" that spawned people like Westboro Baptist (not a real Baptist church, by the way, in case any were wondering) and Timothy McVeigh, and Elohim City.
All,
If most people in this country had much of a clue about history, they would (or should!) be much more embarrassed to engage in Muslim bashing - or any other religion bashing! - when considering their own church's background.
As always, it all goes back to the fact of people not knowing history are doomed to repeat it. As we do as a whole; repeatedly.
And the Amish and Quaker's are always chosen as the examples of peaceful co-existence - which are pretty good examples - but not their own church??? Could it be there actually is some rudimentary understanding of history and the roles played and by whom??
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 28, 2010, 10:22:43 PM
We have fun aggravating each other.
I probably should have picked up on that. Still, when all he has is heiron running to his defense, volumes speak loudly. That's what's funny. (waiting for others to come in now)
Quote from: guido911 on November 29, 2010, 03:07:44 PM
I probably should have picked up on that. Still, when all he has is heiron running to his defense, volumes speak loudly. That's what's funny. (waiting for others to come in now)
Like YOU'RE a bastion of like on these forums. LOL. You crack me up on a constant basis.
Guido,
Defense?? You don't recognize chastisement?
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 29, 2010, 07:39:31 PM
Guido,
Defense?? You don't recognize chastisement?
Oh. so you are saying that no one came to that guy's defense.
I guess I could come to Hoss's defense, if he needed it. Doesn't seem to need it.
Or are you talking about the clown in Portland? No, definitely not to his defense.
There was commentary about the local Klanners there going after a mosque that they must have thought he was associated with. Apparently he attended at least a few times, but wasn't a regular, and most of the people attending don't/didn't know him.
(And yes, I have personal knowledge of that.)
Here's the latest from the "religion of peace".
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/08/authorities-make-arrest-alleged-plot-blow-military-recruitment-center/#ixzz17XV20WOi
Fox news is not a credible source here. Only the Huffington Post is acceptable.
OR
The terrorists are doing a few fake bombings to get us off guard for the BIG one. They'll sacrifice a few small guys to get our confidence up.
Quote from: Red Arrow on December 08, 2010, 02:49:45 PM
Fox news is not a credible source here. Only the Huffington Post is acceptable.
OR
The terrorists are doing a few fake bombings to get us off guard for the BIG one. They'll sacrifice a few small guys to get our confidence up.
Hey, if you haven't read Huff today, it's well worth it. :D
Quote from: Gaspar on December 08, 2010, 03:04:43 PM
Hey, if you haven't read Huff today, it's well worth it. :D
Yikes! President Obama probably should start trying to make friends on the right as soon as possible since the Dims are ready to pitch him to the wolves.
He's got a great opportunity to turn on that charm and charisma and tell people: "This is what bi-partisanship looks like". Sure it's not popular with people on the polar ends. Arch libs hate the tax cut extension, arch conservatives hate another 13 month "hand-out" for U/E. Moderates don't like the nature of extending a spending program while not raising the tax rate to help compensate but realize what else can you do at this point? The economy could slow back down and we might see even higher U/E. This is what you call compromise. People on the poles need to figure that out and quit whining and sniping like children when they don't get their way.
Suicide bomber strikes in Sweden.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/12/11/car-bomb-sweden.html
Love this blog headline:
"Blasts rock Swedish capital - suicide bomber, shouted in Arabic before blast (unlikely to be Amish)"
WMD arrest in Texas.
http://www.the33tv.com/news/kdaf-terror-suspect-arrested-in-lubbock-texas-20110224,0,3805722.story?track=rss
The Amish are everywhere.
I've been saying for years we NEVER should have supplied the equipment, materials, and training to Iraq to make WMD!! It always comes back to bite us when we do that! It spread far and wide and now is right here. Thanks Bush the First!!
Should have just let them and Iran fight it out without taking sides.
Quote from: guido911 on February 24, 2011, 01:13:10 PM
WMD arrest in Texas.
http://www.the33tv.com/news/kdaf-terror-suspect-arrested-in-lubbock-texas-20110224,0,3805722.story?track=rss
The Amish are everywhere.
He was attending an American university. I'm sure he got the idea there from some crazy Tea Partier or something.
This time it really WAS the Amish, out there flouting and showing downright contempt of the law by undermining our dairy industry.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/?sms_ss=email&at_xt=4dbaf6556945f71a%2C0
Quote from: guido911 on May 01, 2011, 03:38:44 PM
This time it really WAS the Amish, out there flouting and showing downright contempt of the law by undermining our dairy industry.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/?sms_ss=email&at_xt=4dbaf6556945f71a%2C0
I'm confused. You strike me as a free market type, so letting the market determine whether they're selling a good product or not should be left to consumer choice. Yet here you're apparently arguing in favor of government intrusion into both the family farm and the act of commerce the farmer engages in to sell his product.
Which side are you on: free market or governmental intrusion? Or are you simply anti-Amish?
Quote from: Ed W on May 01, 2011, 05:30:08 PM
I'm confused.
I think you are just trying to agitate Guido.
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 01, 2011, 06:19:03 PM
I think you are just trying to agitate Guido.
Hey...turnabout's fair play.
Quote from: Hoss on May 01, 2011, 06:40:37 PM
Hey...turnabout's fair play.
I didn't say it wasn't. Just making an observation.
Quote from: Ed W on May 01, 2011, 05:30:08 PM
I'm confused. You strike me as a free market type, so letting the market determine whether they're selling a good product or not should be left to consumer choice. Yet here you're apparently arguing in favor of government intrusion into both the family farm and the act of commerce the farmer engages in to sell his product.
Which side are you on: free market or governmental intrusion? Or are you simply anti-Amish?
I have no opinion other than how damned funny the whole thing is. Seriously, the mental picture I got of Donnie Brasco going undercover and trying to snare some farmer for possession of contraband (milk).
Guido, if you didn't have an opinion you would not of brought up the topic in the first place.
Quote from: joiei on May 01, 2011, 07:07:42 PM
Guido, if you didn't have an opinion you would not of brought up the topic in the first place.
I was 100% serious that I only posted it because of its humor value. Apparently it's not as funny to others. Oh well.
If the Amish guy broke the law, he deserves the consequences.
In Pennsylvania, a farmer does not want to run afoul of the Milk Marketing Board. This is only a slight exaggeration, but I think they have global ambitions. It exists to regulate milk production and prices (gasp! socialism!) and it's largely controlled by the big dairies. They set the price per hundredweight, thereby controlling their costs.
I knew two small producers who sold directly from the farm. One pasteurized but didn't homogenize his milk. The other did both. And the Board gave both of them a lot of grief over their businesses. The big dairies could deliver. The little guys were not permitted to do so, even locally. They couldn't sell their milk to any retail stores. If I recall right, customers had to buy their own bottles and have them sterilized at the farm. In short, the Board threw endless, petty roadblocks in the way.
But don't tell anyone I said so. Their agents are everywhere!
Quote from: Ed W on May 01, 2011, 07:43:14 PM
But don't tell anyone I said so. Their agents are everywhere!
Like little green men?
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Honestly, if people want to assume the potential health risks of consuming raw milk, let them do it. It's not like this farmer was taking the milk to a farmer's market and selling it as a pasteurized product or representing it as being anything but raw milk. This is an over-reach on the FDA. If people want raw milk or un-inspected meat, let them have it and be responsible for the circumstances if they get sick.
Raw milk!!! YUMMMM!!! With the cream on top! Best thing in the world!!
And we have a wonderful source for it right here in NE Oklahahoma! Have bought from them for years - about 15 or so. And their homemade cheese is fantastic, too.
And cheaper than WalMart! At least a few weeks ago when I was there...
http://www.tiawah.com/swandairy.htm
I remember non-homogenized milk from when I was a kid but it was pasteurized. Mom and dad would swipe a bit of the cream off the top for their coffee. If we just wanted a glass of milk, we had to shake the bottle first.
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 03, 2011, 08:12:06 AM
I remember non-homogenized milk from when I was a kid but it was pasteurized. Mom and dad would swipe a bit of the cream off the top for their coffee. If we just wanted a glass of milk, we had to shake the bottle first.
I can vaguely remember as a child while I was living at 14th and Elgin (no longer exists now, it's part of the IDL) us taking milk deliveries. Early seventies I'd believe.
The cheese curds from Swan's are top notch.
We used to get front door delivery of Carnation, I'd guess up to about 1978 or so. Not sure at what point they quit. I think Page, Meadow Gold, and Carnation all had route trucks back in the day.
Quote from: Conan71 on May 03, 2011, 08:38:57 AM
The cheese curds from Swan's are top notch.
We used to get front door delivery of Carnation, I'd guess up to about 1978 or so. Not sure at what point they quit. I think Page, Meadow Gold, and Carnation all had route trucks back in the day.
I'll have to ask mom which one they took..I think it was Meadow Gold, but I am not 100 percent sure.
We got home delivery until sometime into the 60s. Milk was delivered in glass bottles with foil tops. The scrap foil they punched the tops from could be used to make Christmas star decorations. The dairy was a local one in the Philadelphia area, Wawa Dairy Farms. One of our elementary school field trips was usually to Wawa.
Red,
You can still have that. Just the occasional drive to Claremore. We buy several gallons and freeze all but one. Works like a charm.
The old milk delivery we got came in a brown bottle - I think it was Meadow Gold.
And in school, they had the little glass bottles with the cardboard pop top. Stick a pencil under the edge of the little tab on top and pry it up. Then grab and pull straight up. Wow,...can't believe I remember that...
WaWa seems to have expanded into convenience stores. Got family that works there in Maryland.
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 03, 2011, 08:53:32 AM
We got home delivery until sometime into the 60s.
They still had milk delivery while the Civil War raged on? :o
I knew guido had to be kind of a young guy. No tradition of home milk delivery...
I think Schwann's still does milk delivery as well as a bunch of other stuff. Never have tried them.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 03, 2011, 08:23:45 PM
I knew guido had to be kind of a young guy. No tradition of home milk delivery...
I think Schwann's still does milk delivery as well as a bunch of other stuff. Never have tried them.
Oh we had milk
and cloth diaper delivery service when I was young. I have been using Schwan's twice a month for about two years. Generally good stuff, but I am not aware of their selling milk.
Don't know what the sell - never used them. Only one I know who does gets ice cream, he says. I prefer Braum's.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 03, 2011, 08:35:02 PM
Don't know what the sell - never used them. Only one I know who does gets ice cream, he says. I prefer Braum's.
http://www.schwans.com/?kwid=searchggMIS090510-pcrid-5519728937&dmg=3320
I guess that's why I don't use them. Can't see spending cash like that. Would rather just eat out or shop and cook it myself.
Probably saves some time, though. Just heat and eat. Hmmm...may have to try it.
Quote from: guido911 on May 03, 2011, 08:30:43 PM
Oh we had milk and cloth diaper delivery service when I was young.
Ah, you were a silver spoon guy.
I don't remember what mom did for me or my brother but when my sister arrived, mom washed cloth diapers.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 03, 2011, 08:19:02 PM
And in school, they had the little glass bottles with the cardboard pop top. Stick a pencil under the edge of the little tab on top and pry it up. Then grab and pull straight up. Wow,...can't believe I remember that...
WaWa seems to have expanded into convenience stores. Got family that works there in Maryland.
We had the individual serving size (8 oz?) cardboard containers. The ones that look kind of like a house. You fold one end of the top back and get a diamond shaped opening.
Wawa convenience stores were around (since 1964 per the Wawa web site) but in our immediate area 7-11 was dominate.
Quote from: Red Arrow on May 03, 2011, 08:59:08 PM
Ah, you were a silver spoon guy.
Not even close. I still drive by the duplex where we lived at the time and I swear the entire size is maybe 900 square feet. My dad worked and my mom was in school, and there was me and my baby sis at the time. I guess it was a necessity.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 03, 2011, 08:19:02 PM
The old milk delivery we got came in a brown bottle - I think it was Meadow Gold.
No, the brown bottles came from the trunk of a '49 Hudson.
Nope! That I remember - they were - and are - Mason jars. Good stuff,...just like Mother's milk! Quarts and pints. I especially like the economy gallon size! Must be clear so you can see the filling. It too must be clear or there is something skunky going on.
It is always best to carry a small eye dropper with you when picking up the jar. Take a little out, put in on a flat surface, take a sniff, and if your eyes don't water, it isn't right.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 04, 2011, 06:55:10 PM
Nope! That I remember - they were - and are - Mason jars. Good stuff,...just like Mother's milk! Quarts and pints. I especially like the economy gallon size! Must be clear so you can see the filling. It too must be clear or there is something skunky going on.
It is always best to carry a small eye dropper with you when picking up the jar. Take a little out, put in on a flat surface, take a sniff, and if your eyes don't water, it isn't right.
Milk or the stuff from the trunk of a 49 Hudson?
From the trunk of the Hudson. Mercury's were used more around here, and the occasional Cadillac. Had an ex outlaw-inlaw who was bootlegger (and her husband). Interesting people.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 05, 2011, 01:01:08 PM
From the trunk of the Hudson. Mercury's were used more around here, and the occasional Cadillac. Had an ex outlaw-inlaw who was bootlegger (and her husband). Interesting people.
Our family's 54 Buick Special had a HUGE trunk. With overload springs on the rear axle, we used to haul rocks to put in the rock garden. (We had better luck with rocks than flowers. :D) The car still rode like a boat though. It was happy all day at turnpike speeds but it didn't have much acceleration. I think the senior series (Century & Roadmaster) did better in that regard with bigger engines.
Have been told that the 50s big ones didn't accelerate that great, but would go fast and smooth. (I wasn't driving until I got to about 8 - late fifties).
Definitely boats!