For years there have been stories about Oral and Richard Roberts and speculation about the unknown brother to Richard, the older brother Ronald, known as Ronnie. The spectulation that Ronnie was locked away because of his drug problems. While that may be what led to his taking his own life in 1982, by suicide of shooting himself in the heart in his car in 1982 in NW Tulsa, the story does not end there. Ronald/Ronnie had come out that he was gay. He was in a divorce and disowned by his family at the time and upon his death, it was reported that it was drug related, because of a related story that he he tried to get a cough suppressant illegally.
I remember Oral appearing on TV asking for foregiveness for his son that had a drug problem. This I think led to the urban legend that he and Richard locked him away until he overdosed and died.
http://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/10/obituaries/oral-roberts-s-son-37-found-shot-dead-in-car.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYa0wi4XzeI
What do you call two gay guys named Bob?
Quote from: YoungTulsan on October 29, 2010, 02:33:43 AM
What do you call two gay guys named Bob?
Oral and Richard Roberts.
ha, ha,ha,ha
Interesting article written by Oral's grandson about growing up in the Roberts family and mentions his uncle as well.
http://thislandpress.com/05/25/2010/something-good-is-going-to-happen-to-you/ (http://thislandpress.com/05/25/2010/something-good-is-going-to-happen-to-you/)
Quote from: Townsend on November 05, 2010, 12:05:19 PM
Interesting article written by Oral's grandson about growing up in the Roberts family and mentions his uncle as well.
http://thislandpress.com/05/25/2010/something-good-is-going-to-happen-to-you/ (http://thislandpress.com/05/25/2010/something-good-is-going-to-happen-to-you/)
Aha, so teh gay gene runs in the family.
Good article.
And, yep, Conan, everyone's got one (or more). Even Jim Inhofe's family - he just keeps them locked in the closet.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 05, 2010, 01:38:25 PM
Good article.
And, yep, Conan, everyone's got one (or more). Even Jim Inhofe's family - he just keeps them locked in the closet.
If we truly allowed gay people to be gay, would they eventually become extinct?
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 05, 2010, 01:57:34 PM
If we truly allowed gay people to be gay, would they eventually become extinct?
You're kidding right?
Quote from: Townsend on November 05, 2010, 02:05:17 PM
You're kidding right?
The claim is that homosexuality is genetic.
Two men cannot biologically have a child.
Two women cannot biologically have a child.
Adopted children of gay couples will not acquire the gay gene from their adoptive parents.
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 05, 2010, 02:21:17 PM
The claim is that homosexuality is genetic.
Two men cannot biologically have a child.
Two women cannot biologically have a child.
Adopted children of gay couples will not acquire the gay gene from their adoptive parents.
You mean they can't catch teh gay from the air?
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 05, 2010, 02:21:17 PM
The claim is that homosexuality is genetic.
Two men cannot biologically have a child.
Two women cannot biologically have a child.
Adopted children of gay couples will not acquire the gay gene from their adoptive parents.
Of course, but homosexuals frequently have children through surrogate programs, and many people have children before "coming out". So, in response, no.
Quote from: TURobY on November 05, 2010, 02:26:02 PM
Of course, but homosexuals frequently have children through surrogate programs, and many people have children before "coming out". So, in response, no.
Before "coming out"... is that because of social pressure or the person doesn't know themself? I'm not being a wise guy, I'm asking.
Surrogate programs are a legitimate "no" answer though.
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 05, 2010, 02:21:17 PM
The claim is that homosexuality is genetic.
Two men cannot biologically have a child.
Two women cannot biologically have a child.
Adopted children of gay couples will not acquire the gay gene from their adoptive parents.
We still have down syndrome folk, xxy and xyy people, and people like that female runner from Africa that was in the news a while back with all the controversy of whether or not she was actually female. If your either an xy boy or a xx girl and thats that... then how could there be those kinds of controversies? Being gay is basically another type of hermaphroditism. Not a hermaphroditism that you can "see" on the outside by looking at someones "bits", but, for example, a part of the boy brain that happened to be female.
The very thing that makes boys boys, and girls girls doesn't always go perfectly. You can have xy chromosomes and be female for instance. I read about a lady that was trying to have children and it wasnt happening. She went in for some tests and, suprise suprise, found out that she had xy chromosomes. Her husband beat her, later divorced her. Another girl while training for the olympics in college got tested and also found out that she had xy chromosomes, then got booted out of the olympic program (this was before they now realize that you cant use xy chromosomes as an excluse test for gender) lost her boyfriend and scholarship. Sometimes its even less vague than this. You could have xy chromosomes, be attracted to males (like those in the examples above... and look male) Most "bits" inside and out were male,,, except for a "bit" in the brain.
Sometimes a child is born with "ambiguous genitalia". Used to be they would often just get rid of the offending bits and "assign" a gender. Then later when the technology was available, they would check the chromosomes and go with that. Then after a lot of problems with both approaches as the children grew up, decided its best to wait and then let the person decide. Again, chromosomes cant really tell ya the whole story, especially when the hormone balancing act may not have gone the way you might expect it to. Its likely that if the balancing act affected the outside, its also more likely then that the balancing act affected the brains male and female "bits".
Its the balance of hormones thats the key. Chromosomes are supposed to govern the balance. But in the process of becoming a little boy or girl with 10 fingers and 10 toes, occasionally things go wrong or through natural variations that we all have in us, that are beneficial to all of society versus being perfectly one way or the other,, things vary a little more than usual.
Sometimes even the environment can influence the balance of hormones (plastics that act as female hormones, one person may be more "genetically" susceptible to that than another). Stress in the mother, an unborn child can have receptors which do not register one hormone well enough, or something that makes more of one hormone at one time or another. The possible combinations and ways it can happen are quite numerous. One reason its hard to fix a certain "this one gene right here" genetic cause. There are LOTS of combinations and possibilities I could go into.
I can even take any mammal, and at a certain time during gestation, inject a male with extra female hormones such that it turns a particular part of the brain female, or inject male hormone blockers so that the balance is then shifted to female... and end up with an adult that exhibits female behaviors. In genetics its said that "female" is the "default". In other words "bits" will automatically be female unless the genetics/hormones step in to make a male.
But again I want to point out the notion that variety ( brains and body structures, thoughts, ways of thinking etc.) within humans seems to be beneficial. A guy who asks for directions might be beneficial at some time or another lol. A delicate balance of male and female in the brain might account for some great artistic/thinking abilities. Having some people be extremely steryotypically male and some extremely female, AND some brains having a little bit of both (and you cant always pick how far that will go, or to what parts of the brain) might be a greater good to humans than the occasional loss to the gene pool here and there.
One study found that sisters of gay men tend to have a lot more children than those of straight men. Perhaps there is something again in the balance of the siblings genetics that makes the possibility of a potential loss here, worth taking there. I don't know if I go for that notion or not. But just pointing out another something to ponder. We dont know everything.
I could go on, but thats enough lol.
Oh, just one other thing. Decade or so ago I started noticing that boys have a tendancy to have a lot of these genetic, mostly on the y chromosome, type problems. Autism for instance. I also noticed that the prevalence of these things, like autism, ran in the 2.5% range. I had always had a hunch that being gay wasnt the 1 in 10 that was always bantered about. And guess what. Lately I have heard that the actual occurance of "being gay" is.... 2.5%. Another little hmmmm.
You know............ This article and other threads like it make Tulsa look as though all Tulsan's moved to someplace cool and the 10 rednecks from Custer City took over.
I am not gay but you fellows are surely better educated than this.
Young Tulsan.... "What do you call two guys that are gay?"
"What the Hell" & "Is it to you"
This is pathetic.....
The year 2010 and the hot topic is who some one else is sleeping with.
Why not throw up a video of fellows and girls walking out of Renegades that would be enough for you to talk about for the rest of your sorry a$$ existence..
You want the answers to questions about the birds and the bees.....?
Buy a book.
Quote from: Rico on November 05, 2010, 09:24:07 PM
I am not gay but you fellows are surely better educated than this.
So I guess only gays and those that announce they are not can have an opinion. Also, insecure much?
Whats the gay cut-off.....like one hummer or the butt secks or a combo of both...... ??? ??? ???
Bread, are you saying anyone who drives a Hummer is gay?
I have raised chickens in the past, and while studying them in the past, have found that they can actually change sex! Well, in reality, the females can change. Long story short - summary; the eggs come out of one ovary, and if something happens to that, the bird's other ovary seems to start producing testosterone or at least reduces the estrogen to the point where testosterone dominates, and give it most characteristics of a male (no, not all - not the one you are thinking about).
So, there is gender confusion that emerges at that point.
And the population of Custer City is near 400. That means there will be in excess of 150 rednecks (male) from Custer City!
You know how the hot topics to not really talk about or want to bring up was always Politics or Religion. I would now like to add to that, the topic of Gay.
Man do people really have a passion about this topic. Does this lifestyle really effect that broad of a scope in our society ?
My dictionary says gay means happy. I want my kids to be gay.
You'll always have a gay old time with the Flinstones!
Dolfan, the short answer is no.
The slightly longer answer is that the RWRE seem to somehow to relate equal rights and treatment under the law for gays as affecting their life in some unknown fashion. How could gay marriage possibly affect anyone else's marriage? Or adoption of children. Or whatever....
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on November 08, 2010, 12:57:15 PM
Dolfan, the short answer is no.
The slightly longer answer is that the RWRE seem to somehow to relate equal rights and treatment under the law for gays as affecting their life in some unknown fashion. How could gay marriage possibly affect anyone else's marriage? Or adoption of children. Or whatever....
dontcha know?
'Teh Ghey' is contagious!
Quote from: RecycleMichael on November 08, 2010, 09:31:12 AM
My dictionary says gay means happy. I want my kids to be gay.
I'd rather them grow up gay than Baptist.
Quote from: Conan71 on November 05, 2010, 02:25:43 PM
You mean they can't catch teh gay from the air?
No, only close contact, like prison.
I had a close friend who was Baptist AND gay. When they found out, he was kicked out and shunned. A "radical" branch of the Methodist Church took him in for the rest of his life, though, so it worked out ok.
Would that be "Gaptist"?
Quote from: Red Arrow on November 05, 2010, 03:22:59 PM
Before "coming out"... is that because of social pressure or the person doesn't know themself? I'm not being a wise guy, I'm asking.
I'm not sure, since I can't speak for every one else's experiences. Certainly, some social pressure to stay "in the closet" exists. I can think of a couple of grandparents of mine for which that holds true. However, I've had some friends who always knew they were gay, and others who said that they just woke up one morning and realized that they weren't attracted to women anymore.