http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100903_11_0_Police608960
I could see it from my office window looked like it went up pretty quick..
This is tragic. I hope they will rebuild it. My Wife is stuck in the 244 traffic right now.
Quote from: DolfanBob on September 03, 2010, 02:21:07 PM
This is tragic. I hope they will rebuild it. My Wife is stuck in the 244 traffic right now.
Tell her to exit if she can, they have 244 westbound blocked.
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Was sent a pic from a friend.
Quote from: Townsend on September 03, 2010, 02:30:22 PM
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Was sent a pic from a friend.
Newson6 is in the helo streaming live...screen burnt smooth down to the ground. Sad.
http://www.newson6.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?vt1=l&d1=0&ClipId1=mms%3A//a480.l4265422479.c42654.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/480/42654/v0001/reflector%3A22479&LiveURI=mms%3A//a480.l4265422479.c42654.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/480/42654/v0001/reflector%3A22479&h1=Tulsa%27s%20Admiral%20Twin%20Drive-In%20Burns&at1=University%20-%20Academics&LiveURITitle=Tulsa%27s%20Admiral%20Twin%20Drive-In%20Burns&LaunchPageAdTag=University%20-%20Academics&fvCatNo=undefined&secure=undefined&akPort=undefined&akProfile=undefined&rnd=1576181
just awful. :'( what a piece of history.
She finally made it by and said there is nothing there. All gone.
Live just about a mile and a half from it. My biggest recollections of her was during my 8th grade year taking the bus to Bell Jr High, we had to take 244 to get there westbound right by it. For about five months of my 8th grade year I always wondered why there were cars in the lot, morning/noon/night. Turns out that's the year they were filming 'The Outsiders'.
Tragic loss. Went to so many movies therefrom child hood until I left Tulsa in '98. I hope they rebuild.
Quote from: dbacks fan on September 03, 2010, 02:42:18 PM
Tragic loss. Went to so many movies therefrom child hood until I left Tulsa in '98. I hope they rebuild.
they updated the World article with a statement/comments from the owner. It appears the screens had no insurance due to them being wood structures and no underwriters would insure it. Sad day indeed.
I'm guessing that means it's done then. I would guess with engineering and construction costs minimum of $500K to rebuild it.
I will miss seeing that flick they showed every winter: "Closed For Season"
Quote from: Conan71 on September 03, 2010, 03:01:16 PM
I will miss seeing that flick they showed every winter: "Closed For Season"
Ha. Too soon...too soon
Kinda quick on the insurance status isnt it ?
Ya wanna know what I see Chet ?
I see the under developed inner city land, That with proper management, drainage and local City codes brought through out with time and money. A Government housing project with their own waste managment onsight security, possibly run with County regulated clean environmentally nuclear power energy at minimal cost to the tax payer and City and State. Now I ask you Chet. What do you see ?
I uhh.....I just see a burned down theatre.
Well nobody ever accused you of having the grand vision.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 03, 2010, 03:22:44 PM
How so?
Oh I just figured that would come out after a couple of day's of trying to find out what or how it started.
It just seemed quick to me. Maybe not, I dont know.
I think Bill Clinton torched it. Why?
Way back in '91 I took my two little boys in the fall of that year to see a flick there. The man taking tickets at the booth told me to be sure and not vote for Bill Clinton cause he would raise the minimum wage and cause them to have to shut the place down. I asked him if the owner knew he was politicking at the gate. He replied, "I am the owner". Apparently Bill was not successful in raising the minimum wage enough to shut the place down. In fact the owner opened another theatre in Riverwalk years later. Even though the Admiral Twin was probably a money loser for the owner, I'm guessing Bill found out and took his revenge. ;D
Sad shame. I went there in high school. Beryl Ford told me he used to buzz the place in his WWII vintage plane to shake up his friends who were in the back seats with their dates!
There is a Save the Admiral Twin Facebook Page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-the-Admiral-Twin-Drive-in/152452301439952?ref=ts&v=wall
People are hoping to do a fundraiser already..
Quote from: DolfanBob on September 03, 2010, 03:30:05 PM
Ya wanna know what I see Chet ?
I see the under developed inner city land, That with proper management, drainage and local City codes brought through out with time and money. A Government housing project with their own waste managment onsight security, possibly run with County regulated clean environmentally nuclear power energy at minimal cost to the tax payer and City and State. Now I ask you Chet. What do you see ?
I uhh.....I just see a burned down theatre.
Well nobody ever accused you of having the grand vision.
That's some good smile right there...
That was probably one of the first questions the Tulsa World reporter asked the owner. It was one of the more obvious ones which jumped out at me aside from wondering what could have made it go up. I wasn't thinking there was a need for electricity in the tower. Not sure what else it could have been sure wasn't lightning.
Seeing the burned out frame reminded me of touchdown Jeebus.
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My daughter had read "The Outsiders" this week for class, and after raving about the book (she finished it in one day) we all watched the movie. We were planning on doing a movie location scavanger hunt, and thinking of ending it with a movie at the drive in this weekend. Too bad we didn't think of this last week.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 03, 2010, 04:09:42 PM
That's some good smile right there...
That was probably one of the first questions the Tulsa World reporter asked the owner. It was one of the more obvious ones which jumped out at me aside from wondering what could have made it go up. I wasn't thinking there was a need for electricity in the tower. Not sure what else it could have been sure wasn't lightning.
Seeing the burned out frame reminded me of touchdown Jeebus.
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Actually there was electric in it because there were red anti collision beacons on the top of the structure.
If this were an Historical Site.. That would bring this to a Federal level for investigation, wouldn't it?
A lady in Reasor's said there were an inordinate number of Police for an easy to contain fire.
Do Insurance policies have an "arson clause"? That possibly would pay in the event it was arson?
Just wondering out loud.
There are those that enjoy fire on the big screen.
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Quote from: Rico on September 03, 2010, 04:56:16 PM
If this were an Historical Site.. That would bring this to a Federal level for investigation, wouldn't it?
A lady in Reasor's said there were an inordinate number of Police for an easy to contain fire.
Do Insurance policies have an "arson clause"? That possibly would pay in the event it was arson?
Just wondering out loud.
There are those that enjoy fire on the big screen.
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There was no insurance, so that wouldn't come into play for reasons of arson.
Rico, years of good karma for the well-placed B&B reference.
Future location of the historic Admiral Twin Mobile Home Park. Better buy in now while the spots around the concession stand are still available.
Quote from: waterboy on September 03, 2010, 03:41:33 PM
I think Bill Clinton torched it. Why?
Nah, has to be Bush's fault.
I live just two blocks away from it- I was home painting some trim inside my kitchen & listening to the Rush L. show on KRMG radio when they broke in and said "A historic Tulsa icon is burning right now and it's the Admiral Drive in" I ran to the window & looked out and there was huge billowing smoke in the air, I grabed my camera and ran out there, you could feel the heat standing in front of the Mitchel Grade School and school was in session- the thing was really blazzing. I watched it from 73rd Ave and snapped pictures, you could feel the heat there, the thing burnt down fast. It's too bad the frame was not made out of steel, It would be stronger, fireproof, whatever started the wood on fire would not of able to ignite the steel, plus steel does not rot, split or get infested with bugs. A 9 story wood structure is like a tinder box. I hope the re-build but this time use a steel frame.
During the fire 73rd Ave was choked with cars, people stopped in the middle of the street to watch it, fire trucks could not get thru, today we still have site seeing folks and gawkers driving down Easton & 73rd Ave. The air still smells like chared wood. My neighborhood was rocking all afternoon and into the evening with fire trucks and news trucks driving around the area, late at night the fire trucks returned to make sure the fire was out I guess. Some rumors I heard are that the place won't rebuild since the land is just to valueable, some developer would pay a pretty penny for it and build an apt. complex or something there. I guess right now Oklahoma has no drive-in movie place in the entire state, the Admiral was the states only one. It's a grim loss for Tulsa I hope they rebuild, some trucks were there this morn. hauling away the remains, I'd like to see it rebuilt as it was only using a steel frame this time, I liked those 4 "stacks" or Chimney" things that sat on top of the structure, it was a classic, historic structure. Too bad they did not build it out of steel in 1951. Anyhow our neighborhood had more than it's share of excitement for awhile. They said it will take $300,000 to rebuild.
Manager is now reporting they might be able to rebuild it by May....
"might"
Quote from: sauerkraut on September 04, 2010, 02:29:47 PM
I live just two blocks away from it- I was home painting some trim inside my kitchen & listening to the Rush L. show on KRMG radio when they broke in and said "A historic Tulsa icon is burning right now and it's the Admiral Drive in" I ran to the window & looked out and there was huge billowing smoke in the air, I grabed my camera and ran out there, you could feel the heat standing in front of the Mitchel Grade School and school was in session- the thing was really blazzing. I watched it from 73rd Ave and snapped pictures, you could feel the heat there, the thing burnt down fast. It's too bad the frame was not made out of steel, It would be stronger, fireproof, whatever started the wood on fire would not of able to ignite the steel, plus steel does not rot, split or get infested with bugs. A 9 story wood structure is like a tinder box. I hope the re-build but this time use a steel frame.
Prove it...post pictures.
Quote from: sauerkraut on September 04, 2010, 02:39:49 PM
I guess right now Oklahoma has no drive-in movie place in the entire state, the Admiral was the states only one.
Did the drive in at Poteau close?
According to Drive-ins.com, usually a good reference, open drive-ins in Oklahoma are in:
Poteau (http://www.towerdrivein.com/towerdriveinmain.html)
Oklahoma City (http://www.winchesterdrive-in.com/)
Guthrie (http://www.beacondrive-in.com/)
Chickasha (http://www.chiefdriveintheatre.com/)
Guymon (http://www.corraldrivein.com/)
Also, there's a drive-in in Fayetteville, Arkansas
112 Drive-In (http://112driveintheatre.com/)
And Carthage, Missouri (near Joplin)
66 Drive-In (http://www.66drivein.com/)
This movement to save the Admiral Twin reminds me of the uproar over Bell's. Was it really that great, or was it just the fact that people don't want to see a part of their childhood gone? Drive-ins in urban areas generally suck anyway. Too much light pollution. You need total darkness to see the drive-in screen.
I wish people were this upset that we don't have a good theatre with waiters, regular food and alcohol.
Quote from: TheTed on September 05, 2010, 11:02:54 AM
According to Drive-ins.com, usually a good reference, open drive-ins in Oklahoma are in:
Poteau (http://www.towerdrivein.com/towerdriveinmain.html)
Oklahoma City (http://www.winchesterdrive-in.com/)
Guthrie (http://www.beacondrive-in.com/)
Chickasha (http://www.chiefdriveintheatre.com/)
Guymon (http://www.corraldrivein.com/)
Also, there's a drive-in in Fayetteville, Arkansas
112 Drive-In (http://112driveintheatre.com/)
And Carthage, Missouri (near Joplin)
66 Drive-In (http://www.66drivein.com/)
This movement to save the Admiral Twin reminds me of the uproar over Bell's. Was it really that great, or was it just the fact that people don't want to see a part of their childhood gone? Drive-ins in urban areas generally suck anyway. Too much light pollution. You need total darkness to see the drive-in screen.
I wish people were this upset that we don't have a good theatre with waiters, regular food and alcohol.
Obviously didn't go or weren't around while they were filming 'The Outsiders'. I was.
And the uproar over Bells had more to do with dirty politics and under-the-table deals. This was an act of nature or arson.
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 04, 2010, 02:54:28 PM
Manager is now reporting they might be able to rebuild it by May....
"might"
Spoke to them yesterday, and they said that Home Depot has agreed to donate materials, and a local architect has volunteered his time to redesign it. They seemed pretty hopeful about having it back up by next season.
I have to agree with the Ted. It was Bell's deja vu for me. All the classic window speaker phones had been vandalized or stolen a long time ago. The radio feed was poor. The screen was hard to see and in poor condition. The humps were eroded and gravel had not been added in years. Looked like the owner was coasting. A good memory but a poor experience lately.
It really surprises me that there is such a move to rebuild it with donations. I guess I am too far removed from Tulsa mainstream. There are more worthy projects that go begging and this owner has another theatre in Jenks doesn't he? Why should his business that he left uninsured and deteriorating be rewarded??
Even though I am doubtful that it could not be insured (more likely it could not be insured at a rate that allowed the business to be profitable) a prudent businessman would have noted that if a 9 story, 60 year old structure could not be insured in its present state that he should make it insurable or find better uses for the property.
There is a difference between valuable historic locations with nostalgic appeal vs niche businesses using old properties that owners have let become dangerously obsolete. Just think what might have happened had this fast spreading fire erupted DURING a show with kids playing on the field below? The exits are slow enough without panic and the fire could have caused fatalities.
I thought it was different than Bell's on the issue of safety. Bell's had to call for security at least two or three times each summer. They had large roving gangs of kids some nights that made it so that we stopped taking our kids there. I also didn't think it was safe to ride many rides after they admitted to making homemade parts for the rides.
We went to the Admiral Twin with a bunch of families each summer. Two weeks ago we had eight families together. The adults all strtched out on the second row in the middle and drank adult beverages and about twenty kids sat together in the grassy area up front. They were about twenty yards in front of us so we could watch them but not have to listen to them.
We adults had great coversations and kinda watched the movie. It was a great night out and very affordable for all. That was the experience that you can't have at a regular theater.
Yes, the Admiral Twin was in medium disrepair. We usually didn't buy anything from the concession stand and had enough speakers on our car radios to hear just fine.
I'm glad it didn't catch fire while your kids were playing in the field below the screen. It disappeared in ten minutes. You would have had less than that to round them up and exit in a single lane driveway onto a two lane road with all the other cars. The heat alone during that ten minutes would have caused injuries not to mention the likely panic.
I always liked the place, though the 51 Drive In was better. But imo it is wrong headed to reward the guy for having put people in jeopardy for years and putting little back into it. It should be investigated. For all we know burning it down was cheaper than demolishing it so that it could become more valuable property for a mobile home park like the one nearby.
Quote from: waterboy on September 05, 2010, 08:59:33 PM
I'm glad it didn't catch fire while your kids were playing in the field below the screen. It disappeared in ten minutes. You would have had less than that to round them up and exit in a single lane driveway onto a two lane road with all the other cars. The heat alone during that ten minutes would have caused injuries not to mention the likely panic.
I always liked the place, though the 51 Drive In was better. But imo it is wrong headed to reward the guy for having put people in jeopardy for years and putting little back into it. It should be investigated. For all we know burning it down was cheaper than demolishing it so that it could become more valuable property for a mobile home park like the one nearby.
As far as I know, there isn't one nearby, unless you consider the one at Admiral and Mingo.
And it gets more visibility for it's status as a part of film, more than anything. But I did have my first anniversary at the drive in, complete with a case of beer and an ice cream cake and watching one of the Jack Ryan movies (think it was Clear and Present Danger, but not sure).
But I guess there are more people who are not of the mindset of you WB, than are. I for one, am happy of that.
Nostalgia aside, don't you think it was irresponsible at the very least to operate a gathering place that posed serious threat of injury to its users? Remember, even insurance companies balked at covering it. I can imagine why: lightning, wind and termites come to mind. It may have had a small dwelling space inside it iirc, but it couldn't have had very complicated wiring and the age of construction is the same as Lortondale/Ranch Acres. An investigation might reveal when the last inspection of the wiring and condition of the structure took place.
I was required to carry multi-million dollar policies on boats, cars, employees and have them pass inspection by marine surveyors just to carry a half dozen people at a time over a 3ft deep river. And I understood why that was a good idea. This guy continued to operate a fire hazard and invited hundreds of families at a time to pay for the privilege of exposure to it even though he alleges it was uninsurable. Go figure.
There is a mobile home park just west of Yale where 244 crosses Admiral behind a salvage yard. The lay of the land looks similar. I just suggested that use as one of several current and potentially more profitable uses for land adjacent to a busy expressway. This movement makes Tulsa look silly to me. Similar to the Meadow Gold sign (sorry Rwarn). Save the Tulsa Club building, save the 11th street bridge, save the Brady, but don't waste your time and effort on a warm memory that some irresponsible businessman let burn to the ground.
I can understand not having (or being able to get) insurance on the structure of the screens. Everyone appears to be assuming there was also no liability insurance. Does anyone know this to be a fact or not? I am thinking of the comparison of only having liability insurance but not collision insurance on an old car.
TMZ says it could have been the devil:
http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/04/last-exorcism-drive-in-theater-oklahama-fire/
good point Red. Almost all my insurance was liability. Even so liability pays for damages after the fact. Much better to improve the product so as not to have to ever use your liability insurance. Kind of like fixing the brakes on your car rather than waiting till they fail and letting your liability insurance take care of the results. As long as everyone is gung ho to provide a freebie for this guy without addressing some issues no one will probably know.
I won't dwell on it any longer. It just surprised me that no one other than myself, Rico and the Ted saw it differently. Maybe I'm just too cynical (or know too many sketchy businessmen). At some point the city has to start looking forward again.
I can't speak personally to the safety of the patrons of the Admiral Twin since I haven't been there. I agree with the concept of having an operation that will most likely NOT need to use the liability insurance. I would hope that any new structure would have to meet modern safety standards.
The area now seems naked without that big screen. It does look promising that they will re-build, I kicked in $11.00 and bought a "Save The Admiral Twin" Tee Shirt Saturday. They had collected alot in donations so far plus 5 bands plan to put on a concert with all the money collected going the Drive-In. I made the suggestion when I gave my donation that they should re-build it using a steel frame instead of wood so it will last another 100 years, plus since there are no fire plugs in the area (or on the lot) making it out of steel is even more important. The fire trucks had to use a fire plug in front of the Mitchel School, it was the closest one. I hope it's rebuilt as it was, I liked those 4 "stacks" or "chimney" things it had on top, it had a real classic 50's look. I could not believe it when I seen the flames Friday it was really raging. You could feel the heat from 73rd ave. If they make it out of steel maybe the owner will be able to get insurance for it too. Insureance companies would not insure a 9 story wood structure.
Quote from: sauerkraut on September 07, 2010, 09:59:31 AM
The area now seems naked without that big screen. It does look promising that they will re-build, I kicked in $11.00 and bought a "Save The Admiral Twin" Tee Shirt Saturday. They had collected alot in donations so far plus 5 bands plan to put on a concert with all the money collected going the Drive-In. I made the suggestion when I gave my donation that they should re-build it using a steel frame instead of wood so it will last another 100 years, plus since there are no fire plugs in the area (or on the lot) making it out of steel is even more important. The fire trucks had to use a fire plug in front of the Mitchel School, it was the closest one. I hope it's rebuilt as it was, I liked those 4 "stacks" or "chimney" things it had on top, it had a real classic 50's look. I could not believe it when I seen the flames Friday it was really raging. You could feel the heat from 73rd ave. If they make it out of steel maybe the owner will be able to get insurance for it too. Insureance companies would not insure a 9 story wood structure.
Wow.
Quote from: Townsend on September 07, 2010, 10:45:50 AM
Congrats on the restraint.
I've been working on it.. at least I haven't seen a reference to 'T-Towne' in some time.
I'm curious to see boiled's pic since he was so close that his cabbage got cooked from the heat.
I think waterboy has made some valid points about our blinding love for the place, without really knowing anything about the owner or the fire.
I liked going there and part of it was because it was cheaper than going to another theater. I also liked that we could talk and visit during the show without interupting the experience for others.
The reaction to the closing of a place that most Tulsans never went or hadn't gone since they were kids was wild.
Alright you guys. Here's an idea. Steel ! ;D
Rust?
Wow...just wow.
WB? Parts of your posts sound like a bitter business owner that chafes within the constraints of floating peeps down a river that hasn't been open to much commercial navigation for years. A river with weird currents, low water dams that have killed, rumors of quicksand, protected wildlife areas and a history of flooding. On top of that....families who might not possess any experience with watercraft or rivers would be your potential customers...just a tump away from disaster. Quite a different scenario from a drive in theater where the customers drive themselves.
I liked the Admiral Twin. I grew up in Tulsa and remember the long driveway before 244 went through. Many times driving down I-244 at night, I checked out the screens. Please don't tell my insurance agent that I might have been intermittently distracted within a span of 10 seconds, I might not be able to renew. During the day, I admired the quirky architecture. I want that sort of stuff for Tulsa.
It's not just fuzzy memories and there are plenty wrapped around the Admiral Twin....I just can't for the life of me understand the worry behind the what ifs of a fire breaking out during a show. Couldn't most people get their family to safety with a car for shelter or their legs for conveyance within 8 friggin acres? If safety is such a concern... why let kids play in front of the screens...couldn't a car careen off the Crosstown and run them down?
edited to get around the what the frick filter.
Typical. Attack the poster, the river, the masses....anything to keep from addressing issues.
I loved the drive-ins too. The Capri, The Bellaire, The 51. They are all good memories. (you actually ever been on the river?) In fact I was watching "Zacharia" at a drive-in theatre in Norman Okla. when a huge tornado was bearing down upon us and the drive in owner was smart enough to give us warning to exit. Of course the one exit clogged immediately, cars bumped into each other and it was pretty much chaos when the wind started blowing sand and chat in our faces. I remember those crowd dynamics.
Better hurry on those donations. The rush to build drive-ins is in full bloom across the country, You may not be able to find any labor or steel to rebuild Tulsa's icon. ;)
Growing up in Metro-Detroit we had alot of Drive-In's, but they are all gone now, The Admiral Twin let people come in early and have a picnic on the grounds, perhaps if they get too many donations - they can use the extra money to re-model or fix up the projection houses and do something about that field of speaker posts- maybe even get them working. The drive-in is getting rare across America. It'll be great to get the Admiral Twin up and humming once more.
Quote from: Red Arrow on September 07, 2010, 12:58:05 PM
Rust?
They can re-build the screen frame the way the build those electrical transmission towers with galvenized steel to avoid rust, steel will stand up to high winds better than wood. That would be the way to go even if it costs more. They may be able to get it covered by insurance if it was steel framed.
They said this morning there was minimal electricity in the tower and that the best liklihood was the fire was started by someone, most likely an accident.
"Fire investigators say they've all but ruled out arson. They say it's because indicators have not pointed in that direction.
"The investigation is leaning towards an accidental fire that was set by human involvement somehow," said Bill French, Tulsa Fire Department.
An electrical cause has also been ruled out because there was very little to no electricity running to the screens. French also said due to the time of day and the clear skies, it could not have been lightning.
"Because it was nothing but a wooden structure used to reflect a movie screen, there was nothing inside it that would have caused the fire to start," he said. "So you are talking about a very large heavy wooden structure that somehow started on fire."
http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=13113334
As long as they are rebuilding, why not make a next generation drive in without projectors and replace the screen with gigantic 3D Sony XBRs
Quote from: carltonplace on September 08, 2010, 10:36:03 AM
As long as they are rebuilding, why not make a next generation drive in without projectors and replace the screen with gigantic 3D Sony XBRs
.. and put a stage on the other side for "drive in concerts" and..
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 08, 2010, 10:42:59 AM
.. and put a stage on the other side for "drive in concerts" and..
...and get a beer and wine license for those of us who might not just sneak it in all the time...
I know a place that has an existing digital screen that could be upgraded for less than rebuilding a drive-in. It has a large grassy playground below it with picnic or stage capabilities, lots of parking, covered and uncovered bleachers in place, a great sound system and pretty good concession stands. All in place ready to go.
The Drillers just left the place.
Quote from: waterboy on September 08, 2010, 11:27:51 AM
I know a place that has an existing digital screen that could be upgraded for less than rebuilding a drive-in. It has a large grassy playground below it with picnic or stage capabilities, lots of parking, covered and uncovered bleachers in place, a great sound system and pretty good concession stands. All in place ready to go.
The Drillers just left the place.
Of course, you lose the benefits/experience of being in a car...
I heard Randi Miller wants to make it a parking lot. Any truth to that?
Quote from: Trogdor on September 08, 2010, 01:23:39 PM
I heard Randi Miller wants to make it a parking lot. Any truth to that?
Good one! Trog brought his "A" game today!
Quote from: Conan71 on September 08, 2010, 01:28:55 PM
Good one! Trog brought his "A" game today!
That would be Triple "A" Conan
Quote from: waterboy on September 08, 2010, 11:27:51 AM
I know a place that has an existing digital screen that could be upgraded for less than rebuilding a drive-in. It has a large grassy playground below it with picnic or stage capabilities, lots of parking, covered and uncovered bleachers in place, a great sound system and pretty good concession stands. All in place ready to go.
The Drillers just left the place.
Like TURobY said.. A drive-in that doesn't let you drive-in? Awesome idea.
I suppose you could put "prop" cars along the infield to replicate that drive-in feeling. Pick-ups, Suburbans, Flatbeds...all parked with their back ends facing the screen and filled with folding lawn chairs.
Quote from: waterboy on September 09, 2010, 07:55:25 AM
I suppose you could put "prop" cars along the infield to replicate that drive-in feeling. Pick-ups, Suburbans, Flatbeds...all parked with their back ends facing the screen and filled with folding lawn chairs.
That idea is about as crazy as electing people with no critical thinking skills to positions of authority...
So....I could be a Tea Party candidate? :D
Quote from: waterboy on September 09, 2010, 07:55:25 AM
I suppose you could put "prop" cars along the infield to replicate that drive-in feeling. Pick-ups, Suburbans, Flatbeds...all parked with their back ends facing the screen and filled with folding lawn chairs.
Could you rent the prop cars by the hour?
Quote from: Conan71 on September 09, 2010, 08:49:08 AM
Could you rent the prop cars by the hour?
Does it come with a girl too ? Oh wait, That might be illegal.
Quote from: DolfanBob on September 09, 2010, 09:01:43 AM
Does it come with a girl too ? Oh wait, That might be illegal.
Might not be if she were inflatable.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 09, 2010, 09:06:00 AM
Might not be if she were inflatable.
Hmm...I see a bicyclist wearing a Santa suit with an inflatable...oh wait, wrong inflatable item...
;D
Quote from: Hoss on September 09, 2010, 09:27:51 AM
Hmm...I see a bicyclist wearing a Santa suit with an inflatable...oh wait, wrong inflatable item...
;D
I truly am surprised Tay has never been spotted with an inflatable passenger...uh other than the big schwantz
Quote from: Conan71 on September 09, 2010, 09:36:51 AM
I truly am surprised Tay has never been spotted with an inflatable passenger...uh other than the big schwantz
He would need a sidecar
Quote from: Conan71 on September 09, 2010, 09:06:00 AM
Might not be if she were inflatable.
There's an airbag joke in there somewhere.....
Quote from: waterboy on September 09, 2010, 08:13:31 AM
So....I could be a Tea Party candidate? :D
. . .or the President! ;D
Quote from: Townsend on September 09, 2010, 05:21:43 PM
Rather be the Pope.
It is a sweet ride he's got.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa231/FrankTheTank1236/Demotivational%20Posters/Popemobile.jpg)
has the Tulsa Fire Dept made a statement as to the cause of the fire?
Quote from: Rico on September 09, 2010, 06:18:10 PM
has the Tulsa Fire Dept made a statement as to the cause of the fire?
No sign of arson or electrical. Sounds to me like someone tossed a cigarette onto nearby dry grass. Probably never know actual cause.
Quote from: waterboy on September 09, 2010, 02:30:07 PM
There's an airbag joke in there somewhere.....
Either that or a big WindBag Joke~ :-\
Quote from: sauerkraut on September 10, 2010, 12:11:38 PM
Either that or a big WindBag Joke~ :-\
They should correct your name to "Sour Kraut"
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 10, 2010, 12:31:40 PM
They should correct your name to "Sour Kraut"
No, maybe Windbag would suffice. It does get awfully windy in FtOmabus.
Back to the topic, I visited the Admiral front gate Saturday Morn. alot of people were there, "BigFoot" was there selling tee shirts, I got to speak with one of the owners who was there she told me they do plan to rebuild and get it up and humming once more, I mentioned to her that they should make it out of steel and she said "Yes, they are looking into that"... I donated $11.00 there last weekend and bought a tee shirt. It's still a sad grim site, all that is left is the cement pad and the steel foundation posts where the wood was bolted onto. Feelings and moods will pick up once the construction starts to re-build it. The new steel-framed screen will last forever. They got all the chared wood cleared away. It should not take that long to rebuild, and if they can re-use the old foundation things should move along quickly.
Quote from: Rico on September 09, 2010, 06:18:10 PM
has the Tulsa Fire Dept made a statement as to the cause of the fire?
Yes, and sadly the cause is un-known, an unsolved fire, the screen had no electrical power going to it at the time. I guess it was either arson or an unintentional caused fire.
Didn't mean my post as an attack on you, Waterboy or the river. I was trying to point out some of the differences an irresponsible business owner (your words) might see between a drive in movie screen and a responsible business owner floating people on an unpredictable waterway.
I think your river trips sound really cool and have thought a float would be fun to do. I might be a fun passenger...I have been on lots of rivers, including the Arkansas AND I wouldn't be all nervous nelly over what might happen if Keystone Dam broke while we were on the river.
Is there no end to the depth of your naivete? ::) Of course there was electric to the screen. It had lights on the top of it. Fire dept officials said it MAY have been electrical but there was no obvious cause of fire. Doesn't that imply there was some electricity going to the screen?
And really. You think you're the only person that figured out metal might be a good choice to avoid fire? Geez, they saw you coming and raised the price of the T-shirt.
WC Fields was so right. Keep those cards, letters and donations coming folks. We're going to rebuild once that $200,000 payday is safely in the bank. Our bank. Cash is fine too. We just do'in God's work here. If we don't reach the magic number we'll send whats left to OUR favorite charity. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Note: This post was addressed to the SauerKraut guy.
Quote from: Bumby on September 11, 2010, 07:23:56 PM
Didn't mean my post as an attack on you, Waterboy or the river. I was trying to point out some of the differences an irresponsible business owner (your words) might see between a drive in movie screen and a responsible business owner floating people on an unpredictable waterway.
I think your river trips sound really cool and have thought a float would be fun to do. I might be a fun passenger...I have been on lots of rivers, including the Arkansas AND I wouldn't be all nervous nelly over what might happen if Keystone Dam broke while we were on the river.
No problem. There are differences but there is no good reason for putting drive in patrons at risk. The thing burned really quickly and there was a real potential for injury had it occurred during a show. Crowds do not generally behave well during fires.
If Tulsa wants a drive-in more power to them.
Quote from: waterboy on September 11, 2010, 07:31:37 PM
Is there no end to the depth of your naivete? ::) Of course there was electric to the screen. It had lights on the top of it. Fire dept officials said it MAY have been electrical but there was no obvious cause of fire. Doesn't that imply there was some electricity going to the screen?
And really. You think you're the only person that figured out metal might be a good choice to avoid fire? Geez, they saw you coming and raised the price of the T-shirt.
WC Fields was so right. Keep those cards, letters and donations coming folks. We're going to rebuild once that $200,000 payday is safely in the bank. Our bank. Cash is fine too. We just do'in God's work here. If we don't reach the magic number we'll send whats left to OUR favorite charity. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Note: This post was addressed to the SauerKraut guy.
Yes there was electric in the screens structure. They had anti-collision beacons on top since they are inbetween the final approach to TIA, both N/S runways, closer to 36L than 36R and required to have the lights on top because of its height. Also they had flood lights on both screens to illuminate the parking area on both sides.
Even after John F Lawhon went out of business they had to maintain anti-collision beacons on the tower sign out front of the building because it was 4500' SSE of the touch down point of 36R. Same with the old McDonnell Douglas Plant between the time it was closed and Navistar took over there were anti-collision lights active on it. IIRC even the Jorgensen Steel plant has them on top.
Quote from: sauerkraut on September 11, 2010, 03:49:07 PM
Yes, and sadly the cause is un-known, an unsolved fire, the screen had no electrical power going to it at the time. I guess it was either arson or an unintentional caused fire.
Look around all of the tall stuctures between Mingo and Sheridan, Admiral and 76th St North, and see how many have anti-collision lights on them. Even the AA facility (the former Builders Square) at 244 and Memorial have anti-collision lights on them.
Quote from: waterboy on September 11, 2010, 07:34:41 PM
No problem. There are differences but there is no good reason for putting drive in patrons at risk. The thing burned really quickly and there was a real potential for injury had it occurred during a show. Crowds do not generally behave well during fires.
If Tulsa wants a drive-in more power to them.
I can remember as a child going to the Admiral Twin, 11th Street, Airview, and Belaire drive ins and playing in the play grounds at the base of the screens. The Admiral Twin had the best in the 60's and 70's. I remember seeing the previews for Don Knotts "How To Frame A Figg" at the Airvew, "Shark" with Burt Reynolds at the 11th St, and Vincent Price in "Scream, And Scream Again" at the Belaire. Anyway, the playgrounds were removed as the cost of insurance went up.
This is why so many public events have liability claims printed on the tickets. Any sporting event, habor cruise, lake tour, concert, movie theater, and amusement park, have a printed, posted or stated clause that you are at your own risk by purchasing a ticket to theis event. I have seen this at Diamond Backs, Coyotes, NASCAR, NHRA, tour boat to Alcatraz, and Telluride Blues and Brews Festival, that buy purchasing this ticket the event holder holds no liability to anything essentialy. At these events, Diamond Backs, Coyotes, NASCAR, NHRA, it is very specific about things that can happen.
Quote from: dbacks fan on September 12, 2010, 10:33:21 PM
Look around all of the tall stuctures between Mingo and Sheridan, Admiral and 76th St North, and see how many have anti-collision lights on them. Even the AA facility (the former Builders Square) at 244 and Memorial have anti-collision lights on them.
The towers on the ClearChannel HQ at the old Oertle's have them also. I lived at 16th/Memorial for 10 years, but now still live close enough to the airport (Traffic Circle) that I get to hear it everyday. Doesn't bother me at all really. I live in the same house I grew up in, so I had a lifetime of getting used to it.
Quote from: Hoss on September 12, 2010, 10:52:02 PM
The towers on the ClearChannel HQ at the old Oertle's have them also. I lived at 16th/Memorial for 10 years, but now still live close enough to the airport (Traffic Circle) that I get to hear it everyday. Doesn't bother me at all really. I live in the same house I grew up in, so I had a lifetime of getting used to it.
I grew up just west of the old MA-HU Mansion in the from birth in '63 until I moved to Copper Mill at 71st and Yale in March of '84. I can remember when the Air Nat'l Guard flew F-100 Super Sabers, and my dad was a mechanical engineer at Douglas where they worked on B-47's, B-52, did mods on F-101's, F-105's, F-4's, F-15's and together with North American Rockwell next door to the north worked on 747's, and with NASA on the Apollo and Skylab missions.
Quote from: dbacks fan on September 12, 2010, 11:03:47 PM
I grew up just west of the old MA-HU Mansion in the from birth in '63 until I moved to Copper Mill at 71st and Yale in March of '84. I can remember when the Air Nat'l Guard flew F-100 Super Sabers, and my dad was a mechanical engineer at Douglas where they worked on B-47's, B-52, did mods on F-101's, F-105's, F-4's, F-15's and together with North American Rockwell next door to the north worked on 747's, and with NASA on the Apollo and Skylab missions.
Ha DBack. We were neighbors. I lived at Cock Roach Mill then too. I enjoyed the upstairs club house and the pool at the office. Ahhh to be 23 again. Great times indeed.
dbacks,
Were you one of the kids watching the barn burn at Ma-Hu?
When the old couple lived there, at Halloween, they would give out silver dollars as treats instead of candy. I was only there for that once, but made an impression. Not long after that once, they were gone - never knew if they died or went to a home or what. Had to walk all the way up that driveway, but it was worth it. Place was sadly empty for a long time, before finally being burned out and torn down. Turned into a housing addition eventually. Yeah, that was an improvement.... not.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on September 13, 2010, 01:13:46 PM
dbacks,
Were you one of the kids watching the barn burn at Ma-Hu?
When the old couple lived there, at Halloween, they would give out silver dollars as treats instead of candy. I was only there for that once, but made an impression. Not long after that once, they were gone - never knew if they died or went to a home or what. Had to walk all the way up that driveway, but it was worth it. Place was sadly empty for a long time, before finally being burned out and torn down. Turned into a housing addition eventually. Yeah, that was an improvement.... not.
No when the barn burned I was with my parents and one of my brothers in Kansas City, we actually road the train there and back from the old Santa Fe station downtown. (
Archer & Detriot I think? 1st & Elgin) Actually the kids that set the fire lived diagonaly across the street from out house.
I came down the street to watch the fire. Pretty bad. It almost torched a couple of those houses north of it in Johansen Acres.
The whole thing was so nicely built. The barn, the servants quarters and the house were all amazing for what they were.
Quote from: waterboy on September 11, 2010, 07:31:37 PM
Is there no end to the depth of your naivete? ::) Of course there was electric to the screen. It had lights on the top of it. Fire dept officials said it MAY have been electrical but there was no obvious cause of fire. Doesn't that imply there was some electricity going to the screen?
And really. You think you're the only person that figured out metal might be a good choice to avoid fire? Geez, they saw you coming and raised the price of the T-shirt.
WC Fields was so right. Keep those cards, letters and donations coming folks. We're going to rebuild once that $200,000 payday is safely in the bank. Our bank. Cash is fine too. We just do'in God's work here. If we don't reach the magic number we'll send whats left to OUR favorite charity. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Note: This post was addressed to the SauerKraut guy.
I was just going by it said the Tulsa World after the fire, the fire department said mim. electric was going to the screen and at the time of the fire there was no electric on.
Quote from: sauerkraut on September 14, 2010, 10:49:29 AM
I was just going by it said the Tulsa World after the fire, the fire department said mim. electric was going to the screen and at the time of the fire there was no electric on.
Judging by this exchange, the Fire Department has found no apparent cause of the fire?
If it were electrical there would be evidence to that effect.
Quote from: Rico on September 14, 2010, 11:00:02 AM
Judging by this exchange, the Fire Department has found no apparent cause of the fire?
If it were electrical there would be evidence to that effect.
I heard a cruise missile hit it. Where's Altruismsuffers when we need him?
Quote from: Conan71 on September 14, 2010, 11:14:13 AM
I heard a cruise missile hit it. Where's Altruismsuffers when we need him?
Once again, well played!
Here's the proposed new design (from channel 6)
I don't like the open side, but that's me. I just wonder if they will actually come up with enough money to rebuild
Quote from: custosnox on October 16, 2010, 08:25:04 PM
I don't like the open side, but that's me. I just wonder if they will actually come up with enough money to rebuild
They raised $30,000 before tonight's concert. Cost to rebuild is $250,000+
Quote from: sgrizzle on October 16, 2010, 08:45:50 PM
They raised $30,000 before tonight's concert. Cost to rebuild is $250,000+
the total they keep tossing out is 300k, but what bothers me about it is how much labor, skills and material have supposedly been offered as a donation. Why has this not effected the total cost?
Quote from: sgrizzle on October 16, 2010, 08:16:19 PM
Here's the proposed new design (from channel 6)
I like the new design. Looks pretty cool..
sgrizzle, do you know if that's Shelby Navarro's rendering? I'd heard he was donating his design services to the project?
The look of the new design is ok,,, but my very first thought was "that inside part is going to seriously catch some wind and put some major stress on the structure and the screen panels."
Well, I doubt any engineering has been done on it yet to determine if the design is feasible.
Okay, It thought I was pretty good with math, but..
Organizers said they had raised $30,000 before the concert, the concert raised $17,000 so now they have $33,000.
Spent $ 14,000 on expenses, so far.
I'm glad it will be made of steel. This one will last forever. I am worried that there will not be enough money for it. I thought they had over $60,000 turns out they only have around $35,000 even after the two concerts. BTW I could hear that Oct. 16th concert at my front door, they were that loud. I live just two blocks away from the Admiral twin - I kicked in another $10.00. I bought a "T" shirt last month from "Big Foot" at the south gate. I really hope they can get that screen built. I liked the design of the orgional screen with those 4 "Chimney" like things on top. They still have to raise alot more money. ???
Quote from: sgrizzle on October 20, 2010, 07:46:45 AM
Okay, It thought I was pretty good with math, but..
Organizers said they had raised $30,000 before the concert, the concert raised $17,000 so now they have $33,000.
Yeah, that's what got me. I was figuring they had around $60,000, now I find out it's still $35,000 something, Plus, Alot of stuff is being donated I even heard the arch. will donate his design and Home Depot made a donation. If that kind of math keeps up the Admiral will not be back. The more they raise the less they get.. >:(
Oh yeah, I forgot...libraries are usually open on weekends.
Quote from: sgrizzle on October 16, 2010, 08:16:19 PM
Here's the proposed new design (from channel 6)
Very nice, looks just like old one, I don't think the side will be open - they are just showing what it will be like inside with a steel frame, -That is my guess or maybe it will be open- they can also build the frame the way a electrical transmisstion tower is built but that may cost more.
Quote from: Hoss on October 23, 2010, 03:57:39 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot...libraries are usually open on weekends.
This is about a drive-in -not a library. ::)
Quote from: sauerkraut on October 23, 2010, 03:59:31 PM
This is about a drive-in -not a library. ::)
Prove to me then that you live here. You still haven't done so since you 'allegedly' moved here.
Quote from: Hoss on October 23, 2010, 04:38:36 PM
Prove to me then that you live here. You still haven't done so since you 'allegedly' moved here.
Ask me if I care. I don't care what ya think anyhoo I'm a "T" Towner. Prove to me you don't come from the planet Mars. ::)
Quote from: sauerkraut on October 25, 2010, 02:44:25 PM
Ask me if I care. I don't care what ya think anyhoo I'm a "T" Towner. Prove to me you don't come from the planet Mars. ::)
Yep, that speaks volumes to me.
How's Omaha this time of year?
Oh, many of the posters on here have met me, so they actually know I've physically been in Tulsa within the last 20 years. How about yourself?
Quote from: Hoss on October 25, 2010, 02:46:21 PM
Yep, that speaks volumes to me.
How's Omaha this of year?
Oh, many of the posters on here have met me, so they actually know I've physically been in Tulsa within the last 20 years. How about yourself?
Omaha is cooling off at this time of year according to the weather report. I met posters from other forums I post at and I met 'em all in Tulsa, none from this forum that I know of. Let's keep this topic on the Admiral Twin & not about Sauerkraut. ::)