Poll
Question:
Is this building a house, or is it a garage?
Option 1: House
votes: 9
Option 2: Garage
votes: 7
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100825_16_A7_ULNShi677692
While those opposing call it a garage, the board's argument is that it is a house, with collectible cars in it. They essentially have a large living room with 7 cars. Thoughts?
Meh, I'm not wild about it (the design or the use), but I could see the argument that this is a house with a large car collection on display. To expand, it would be like saying that my residence is a house with a large furniture and art collection on display.
If it's got a bedroom, a bathroom, and a kitchen and otherwise meets the requirements for a certificate of occupancy, it's a house.
Quote from: nathanm on August 25, 2010, 11:44:22 AM
If it's got a bedroom, a bathroom, and a kitchen and otherwise meets the requirements for a certificate of occupancy, it's a house.
I think that sums it up nicely..
It's whatever the owner wishes to call it. It looks nice,is built w/ quality components/materials...fits the 'hood,is obstructed by the topography and vegitation. Geesh.
Now I'm really curious to know what kind of cars are in there... Car collections housed this way really interest me. Here's a pic of my favorite.
(http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ferrari_garage_living_room.jpg)
When looking at the location on Google Earth and then looking at the older pic's on Streets I guess the people that bulldozed the older ranch style homes and built their "mansions" ::) I guess there a tinsy bit upset that something you can't see from the street that is smaller than their's, and looks different from theirs is going to hurt the value of their over priced/built monstrosity. I have more of a problem with those that have changed the character of the neighborhood forever.
Quote from: OSU on August 25, 2010, 03:53:46 PM
Now I'm really curious to know what kind of cars are in there... Car collections housed this way really interest me. Here's a pic of my favorite.
(http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ferrari_garage_living_room.jpg)
A Ferrari 512 BB needs to be drivien, not parked like this.
http://forsale.classicandperformancecar.com/detail.aspx?ad=14986&d=246 (http://forsale.classicandperformancecar.com/detail.aspx?ad=14986&d=246)
I like this Garage.
Quote from: dbacks fan on August 25, 2010, 03:57:15 PM
A Ferrari 512 BB needs to be drivien, not parked like this.
It is driven...right behind the car is a garage door.
LOL, that was my thought too, Dolfan...
You can see better pictures in the BOA packet:
http://www.cityoftulsa-boa.org/boa/boa-21108.pdf (http://www.cityoftulsa-boa.org/boa/boa-21108.pdf)
This is an interesting ruling on several fronts...
1. If this were in a commercial district, the tiny residence above the garage would be illegal as an accessory dwelling unit in CH zoning. (Or did they finally change that goofy rule?)
2. There used to be a lot of barns throughout Tulsa that have been destroyed to make room for...uh... homes with multiple car garages.
3. It almost sounds like the BOA was not judging this one based on principal use...since only 741 SF is dedicated to the living space, and 4,500 SF is dedicated for auto storage/display. Does this mean that they will open their minds to mixed-use concepts and form-based codes in the future?
Quote from: PonderInc on August 26, 2010, 06:53:07 PM
You can see better pictures in the BOA packet:
http://www.cityoftulsa-boa.org/boa/boa-21108.pdf (http://www.cityoftulsa-boa.org/boa/boa-21108.pdf)
I think the clincher was all the letters from people claiming to be neighbors showing their approval.
Quote from: PonderInc on August 26, 2010, 06:53:07 PM
You can see better pictures in the BOA packet:
http://www.cityoftulsa-boa.org/boa/boa-21108.pdf (http://www.cityoftulsa-boa.org/boa/boa-21108.pdf)
3. It almost sounds like the BOA was not judging this one based on principal use...since only 741 SF is dedicated to the living space, and 4,500 SF is dedicated for auto storage/display. Does this mean that they will open their minds to mixed-use concepts and form-based codes in the future?
From the homeowner's side it sounds like the whole space is a residence, 741 SF is an upstairs bedroom and the bottom floor is a living room/loft arrangement.
Thanks for those pictures Ponder. You need to add another choice at the top of this post, cause dude. Thats a Barn.
Interesting article from cnbc about the death of the "McMansion" coinciding with people taking a realistic look at home sizes. Like I said in a previos post looking at that area on google streets it has lost the style it was originally built as. I find this home/barn pleasing compared to what has been built there recently.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38757287 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/38757287)
To me it looks like a barn. But what it is legally seems to have been determined correctly. It certainly is not offensive. I guess some folks are just more easily disturbed than others.
In an effort to introduce some measure of creativity back into the housing equation, I offer this example of rational home thought and planning.
http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/
Now, maybe if we just average the two ends together and end up somewhere in the middle, sanity will ensue!!
Hey, that sounds like a good recipe for political discourse, too!! The extremes are always bad.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 27, 2010, 12:45:36 PM
In an effort to introduce some measure of creativity back into the housing equation, I offer this example of rational home thought and planning.
http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/
Now, maybe if we just average the two ends together and end up somewhere in the middle, sanity will ensue!!
Hey, that sounds like a good recipe for political discourse, too!! The extremes are always bad.
Ever try to play Wii in 89sf of space. Not gonna happen.
Ah, yes, Grasshopper - that is true. But the middle ground will allow the Wii and the rational use of space! A philosophy of moderation, contemplation, and peace of mind!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 27, 2010, 12:56:05 PM
Ah, yes, Grasshopper - that is true. But the middle ground will allow the Wii and the rational use of space! A philosophy of moderation, contemplation, and peace of mind!
I'm lucky enough to be an American, so I don't have to put up with that Sh!t. ;)
I just have to put up with the winey little bings that constantly preach it. I used to work with a bunch of architects that extolled the virtue of designs that no one would ever buy (outside of Tokyo). Funny how they all live in big South Tulsa homes.
Give me my space, my pool, and a big yard for the kids to play in. ;D
I have a recliner that is bigger than that house.
Ah, yes... praying to the gods of conspicuous consumption!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 27, 2010, 12:45:36 PM
In an effort to introduce some measure of creativity back into the housing equation, I offer this example of rational home thought and planning.
http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/
Now, maybe if we just average the two ends together and end up somewhere in the middle, sanity will ensue!!
Hey, that sounds like a good recipe for political discourse, too!! The extremes are always bad.
I think I had more personal space than that when I was on temporary duty (Carrier Quals) as an enlisted guy on the JFK Aircraft Carrier. You can keep it.
Edit: had to get my response out of the quote field.
Definitely not for everyone, including me. Hence the comment about a middle road.
Quote from: Gaspar on August 27, 2010, 01:18:48 PM
I have a recliner that is bigger than that house.
But you could just do this...
http://www.mnn.com/your-home/around-the-house/blogs/oooo-chair-a-chair-that-really-isnt-there (http://www.mnn.com/your-home/around-the-house/blogs/oooo-chair-a-chair-that-really-isnt-there)
;D
I just wonder how you would classify this one
http://i.gizmodo.com/5147692/invisible-tree-house-is-a-modern-multi%20level-hideaway