I just want to say that I know the candidate and would vote for him if I lived anywhere remotely near his district, but what does this have to do with county commissioner jobs?
I think if I run for city office again, I will state I'm the only candidate willing to sign a pledge not to fund stem cell research, corporate bailouts or new wars.
Anna Falling did much the same when she ran for the county commission against John Smaligo. She was talking about how she believed in marriage between men and women, pro-life etc. It's totally irrelevant at that level. I simply want to know how they intend run the county and what they are going to do with all that kickback money that comes with the job.
I find it pretty irrelevant at the national level. This blatant irrelevancy in a county election just proves the point of what ALL politicians are trying to do by raising the issue, be it pro life or pro choice, pro or anti gay marriage. The whole gay marriage thing was cooked up by Karl Rove and his ilk to get gay marriage ban votes on general election ballots in 2004. This got otherwise apathetic fundies out to vote against what they saw to be a travesty, and oh I guess while I'm here of course I'm not going to vote for Kerry so...
Just goes to show where the priorities of Oklahoma voters are. He may not be able to balance a checkbook but gosh darnit he ain't a queer!
Quote from: azbadpuppy on July 22, 2010, 08:24:33 PM
Just goes to show where the priorities of Oklahoma voters are. He may not be able to balance a checkbook but gosh darnit he ain't a queer!
Judging by the last and present Presidents' administrations, balancing a checkbook must not be too important.
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 22, 2010, 08:48:55 PM
Judging by the last and present Presidents' administrations, balancing a checkbook must not be too important.
Now explain to us where that has anything directly to do with county politics. If he were running for US Congress or Senate, then it might make hoot in hell..
Though he's not running for office that I know of, I have had some people at work ask me to try and explain this:
I know Oklahoma is a conservative, under the buckle of the bible belt state, but if I lived in OKC there is no way I would do business with him.
Quote from: Hoss on July 22, 2010, 09:31:40 PM
Now explain to us where that has anything directly to do with county politics. If he were running for US Congress or Senate, then it might make hoot in hell..
If balancing a checkbook is not important at the Federal level, why should it be important at the county level?
(If you think I am being serious, think again, differently.)
You must not know the same David Tackett I did...
You can honestly say you would vote for him? Really?
Quote from: dbacks fan on July 22, 2010, 09:42:39 PM
Though he's not running for office that I know of, I have had some people at work ask me to try and explain this:
I know Oklahoma is a conservative, under the buckle of the bible belt state, but if I lived in OKC there is no way I would do business with him.
"Hello Oklahoma, let's talk windows and cross burning.....er I mean siding"
that smile at the end was the same look fine upstanding gentlemen gave in the 50s and 60s when they were lynching people. OKC area is FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKED up! I listen to this brainwashed smile every time my grandparents come visit from there.....I dunno what kind of preaching they do down there, but its dangerous!
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 22, 2010, 09:56:15 PM
If balancing a checkbook is not important at the Federal level, why should it be important at the county level?
(If you think I am being serious, think again, differently.)
Then explain to me the pro-life meme as it relates to county politics...that's mainly what I'm talking about. I don't give a hoot in hell what he thinks about pro-choice vs pro-life, unless his aspiration is to the SCOTUS and him trying to overturn Roe v Wade. And even then I still wouldn't care. When your flyer is mainly about being pro-life, I think my question stands valid.
Borrowed from the Texas County Commision site, and I would tend to think that it is similar in other states,
http://www.county.org/counties/desc_office/commiss.asp (http://www.county.org/counties/desc_office/commiss.asp)
I don't see where his stand on pro life would enter into his position. They are not policy makers for the state nor do they have any influence on state statutes or state law, nor are they responsible for enforcement of state or federal statutes. They are responsible for the day to day operations of the county physcaly and financially, i.e. roads, right of way, business licensing and enforcement, contracts for improvement, and the interaction between city's and the county. They have power over any county run service, Health Dept., county parks, zoning and regulation involving the county and it's properties, and in some states fire and ambulance service.
Quote from: Hoss on July 22, 2010, 10:34:46 PM
Then explain to me the pro-life meme as it relates to county politics...that's mainly what I'm talking about. I don't give a hoot in hell what he thinks about pro-choice vs pro-life, unless his aspiration is to the SCOTUS and him trying to overturn Roe v Wade. And even then I still wouldn't care. When your flyer is mainly about being pro-life, I think my question stands valid.
All I was talking about was balancing a checkbook. You've gone off on a tangent approaching 90 degrees.
Quote from: dbacks fan on July 22, 2010, 10:51:32 PM
Borrowed from the Texas County Commision site, and I would tend to think that it is similar in other states,
http://www.county.org/counties/desc_office/commiss.asp (http://www.county.org/counties/desc_office/commiss.asp)
I don't see where his stand on pro life would enter into his position. They are not policy makers for the state nor do they have any influence on state statutes or state law, nor are they responsible for enforcement of state or federal statutes. They are responsible for the day to day operations of the county physcaly and financially, i.e. roads, right of way, business licensing and enforcement, contracts for improvement, and the interaction between city's and the county. They have power over any county run service, Health Dept., county parks, zoning and regulation involving the county and it's properties, and in some states fire and ambulance service.
Obviously he's a tool and is shamelessly pandering to the ones who will show up in droves to vote for him because their pastors will tell them to. Qualifications clearly mean nothing.
Inteller,
OKC?? You do realize that Jim Inhofe and Randy Brogdon are both from Tulsa area?
OKC, as bad as it is still has a ways to go before it gets that bad.
Quote from: azbadpuppy on July 22, 2010, 11:24:09 PM
Obviously he's a tool and is shamelessly pandering to the ones who will show up in droves to vote for him because their pastors will tell them to. Qualifications clearly mean nothing.
Which is obviously different than other organizations, like Unions, "encouraging" their members to vote a certain way.
I think it's wrong on both sides.
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 22, 2010, 11:07:27 PM
All I was talking about was balancing a checkbook. You've gone off on a tangent approaching 90 degrees.
Who's going off on the tangent? I'm asking the question as it regards to Scott's initial post.
You remember? This image?
(http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15949.0;attach=1099;image)
Quote from: Hoss on July 22, 2010, 11:43:33 PM
Who's going off on the tangent? I'm asking the question as it regards to Scott's initial post.
You remember? This image?
(http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15949.0;attach=1099;image)
It has no relation to being a county commisioner. It, as someone else said, panders to a belief even though the position has nothing to do with his agenda.
Quote from: Hoss on July 22, 2010, 11:43:33 PM
Who's going off on the tangent? I'm asking the question as it regards to Scott's initial post.
You remember? This image?
(http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15949.0;attach=1099;image)
As I said, I was only commenting on the checkbook part.
You response to me and asking me to explain pro-life/choice has nothing to do with my comment although it is relevant to the thread. At that level, I agree that pro-life/choice is irrelevant.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 22, 2010, 11:27:04 PM
Inteller,
OKC?? You do realize that Jim Inhofe and Randy Brogdon are both from Tulsa area?
OKC, as bad as it is still has a ways to go before it gets that bad.
Jim Jones was from the Tulsa area. Mike Synar was from Muskogee but (supposedly) represented parts of SE Tulsa and northern Bixby for a while. Pretty bad. Worse, in my opinion, than Inhofe. I'll agree on Brogdon.
Quote from: inteller on July 22, 2010, 10:21:24 PM
"Hello Oklahoma, let's talk windows and cross burning.....er I mean siding"
Clever!
Generally the ichthys in a company logo is your first warning you are about to get royally reamed.
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 22, 2010, 11:36:39 PM
Which is obviously different than other organizations, like Unions, "encouraging" their members to vote a certain way.
I think it's wrong on both sides.
I never said it was different. I think it's pathetic no matter who is doing it.
Last I checked we weren't discussing unions here.
Quote from: azbadpuppy on July 23, 2010, 11:08:24 AM
I never said it was different. I think it's pathetic no matter who is doing it.
Hmm, are unions taxed? Churches aren't...
Anyway, I would not vote for a person who uses the image of an infant in a cynical attempt to garner support. It's crass at best.
At least at the national level, it has some bearing on possible future votes, so might be forgivable. In this case, he's just trying to manipulate. It's the lowest form of advertising, and it's what you do when you have nothing of substance to talk about instead.
I'm still trying to figure out how being a "Tea Party Conservative" is relevant to the county treasurer post either. Ruth Hartje is really playing that angle up.
Quote from: Conan71 on July 23, 2010, 12:54:50 PM
Ruth Hartje is really playing that angle up.
I agree.
As much as she has made that a definition of who she is, it now becomes a real measuring stick about the amount of influence the Tulsa County Tea Party has.
Quote from: azbadpuppy on July 23, 2010, 11:08:24 AM
I never said it was different. I think it's pathetic no matter who is doing it.
Last I checked we weren't discussing unions here.
We are discussing county politics. Perhaps you believe unions have never tried to influence a county election.
Quote from: nathanm on July 23, 2010, 12:49:39 PM
Hmm, are unions taxed? Churches aren't...
Anyway, I would not vote for a person who uses the image of an infant in a cynical attempt to garner support. It's crass at best.
At least at the national level, it has some bearing on possible future votes, so might be forgivable. In this case, he's just trying to manipulate. It's the lowest form of advertising, and it's what you do when you have nothing of substance to talk about instead.
Hmm, can you leave a church if you don't like the preachin'?
Hmm, can you quit the union (in a non-right to work state) without losing your income? Can your dues go to support someone you don't support?
Quote from: Conan71 on July 23, 2010, 08:30:47 AM
Clever!
Generally the ichthys in a company logo is your first warning you are about to get royally reamed.
Sounds fishy to me. ;D
Quote from: TeeDub on July 22, 2010, 10:08:40 PM
You must not know the same David Tackett I did...
You can honestly say you would vote for him? Really?
Same one.
And yes, I know what you're talking about.
Red,
No more than you can stop supporting a corrupt government that takes a country to war on false pretenses. Oh, wait, yes you can stop supporting a union. Exercise that freedom of choice that everyone has and don't work there anymore.
But it ain't in Oklacoma, so you don't have to worry...
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 26, 2010, 08:44:42 PM
Red,
No more than you can stop supporting a corrupt government that takes a country to war on false pretenses. Oh, wait, yes you can stop supporting a union. Exercise that freedom of choice that everyone has and don't work there anymore.
But it ain't in Oklacoma, so you don't have to worry...
Well, I guess you could leave the country too if you wanted.
Ah, the plaintive bleat again arises...
Yes, I suppose I could. But this is my country. I was born here. Have family here, both recent and ancient (Half European invaders and half Native American) so I feel at least halfway entitled to stay - legitimately - since at least half of the family found this as an empty, unspoiled wilderness with no previous inhabitants to exterminate many millennium ago. And who managed for at least 10,000 years to keep it relatively unmolested on any grand scale in terms of all the worst features of modern society.
As opposed to the most recent invader - from Australia, who not only has no legitimate history there - but one of conquest and again, extermination of the native population, and is most likely descended from criminal elements ejected from his home country of England. You know who it is - Rupert Murdoch.
So, no, I think I will stick around, if for no other reason than to be an irritation to the RWRE that have co-opted so much of Oklahoma as well as the rest of the nation in recent decades. The same ones who hijacked my families traditional church - the Southern Baptist Convention.
Watch out RWRE of America... rust never sleeps!!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 26, 2010, 09:13:59 PM
Ah, the plaintive bleat again arises...
Yes, I suppose I could. But this is my country......
So where is this going? I responded to Az's comment about church goers blindly following the message of their local pastor with a comment intending to show there are other organizations with similar influence. I chose Unions as an obvious example.
This thread is all over the map - heading in different directions at all times and all places.
My response was kind of a combined response to several statements. There was a train of thought somewhere in there at one time that was derailed and went all over the map just like this thread has gone. Doesn't really make any kind of sense as response to the combined set. Will just have to keep all that in the archive, I guess, and trot it out some other time....
Oh, I know what happened... I wasn't drunk when I wrote it!! Damn, I knew something was amok! I suspect I am channeling Ernest Hemingway and always write better wasted.
History;
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Which is obviously different than other organizations, like Unions, "encouraging" their members to vote a certain way.
I think it's wrong on both sides.
We are discussing county politics. Perhaps you believe unions have never tried to influence a county election.
Hmm, can you leave a church if you don't like the preachin'?
Hmm, can you quit the union (in a non-right to work state) without losing your income? Can your dues go to support someone you don't support?
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Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 26, 2010, 10:01:46 PM
Oh, I know what happened... I wasn't drunk when I wrote it!! Damn, I knew something was amok! I suspect I am channeling Ernest Hemingway and always write better wasted.
I recommend that you have at least two drinks before posting anything.
I think I am going for at least 3.
Lunch tomorrow, huh? Sounds interesting, but won't be in town. May have to attend one of these things one of these days.
Quote from: sgrizzle on July 22, 2010, 01:37:36 PM
I think if I run for city office again, I will state I'm the only candidate willing to sign a pledge not to fund stem cell research, corporate bailouts or new wars.
OMG, is that the little brother of Chuck Tackett? His dad was choir director at Eastland Assembly of God a long time ago? lol.
Quote from: Red Arrow on July 26, 2010, 09:30:48 PM
So where is this going? I responded to Az's comment about church goers blindly following the message of their local pastor with a comment intending to show there are other organizations with similar influence. I chose Unions as an obvious example.
Are unions tax exempt?
Quote from: nathanm on July 27, 2010, 12:38:05 AM
Are unions tax exempt?
I don't care if they are or are not. Legal answer may be different.
Quote from: azbadpuppy on July 22, 2010, 11:24:09 PM
Obviously he's a tool and is shamelessly pandering to the ones who will show up in droves to vote for him because their pastors will tell them to. Qualifications clearly mean nothing.
Works in the business world too. Oklahomans are suckers for the Bible card.
RE: Inedible Pizza at 71st & Memorial.
Quote from: Hawkins on July 29, 2010, 05:44:49 PM
Works in the business world too. Oklahomans are suckers for the Bible card.
RE: Inedible Pizza at 71st & Memorial.
I won't do business with anybody with a Jeebus fish in their logo.