http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=12703641 (http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=12703641)
So you think we're about to have alot less traffic congestion?
You think the impound lots and insurance companies are jumping around, jumping around, jumping up, jumping up, and getting down?
What do you think will happen?
Quote from: Townsend on June 24, 2010, 03:29:19 PM
http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=12703641 (http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=12703641)
So you think we're about to have alot less traffic congestion?
You think the impound lots and insurance companies are jumping around, jumping around, jumping up, jumping up, and getting down?
What do you think will happen?
I think we're going to see even more outrageous fees out of the towing companies and impound lots. On the bright side, it might increase demand for transit.
Quote from: Townsend on June 24, 2010, 03:29:19 PM
http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=12703641 (http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=12703641)
So you think we're about to have alot less traffic congestion?
You think the impound lots and insurance companies are jumping around, jumping around, jumping up, jumping up, and getting down?
What do you think will happen?
It's hateful, hateful I tell you. Only Mexicans, blacks, and Indians drive around without insurance. It's just whitey prevailing again.
/channeling Hometown
Quote from: Conan71 on June 24, 2010, 04:00:29 PM
It's hateful, hateful I tell you. Only Mexicans, blacks, and Indians drive around without insurance. It's just whitey prevailing again.
/channeling Hometown
Whatever happened to the idea of a window sticker that stated when your insurance expired? Didn't I hear that at some point?
Quote from: Hoss on June 24, 2010, 04:14:37 PM
Whatever happened to the idea of a window sticker that stated when your insurance expired? Didn't I hear that at some point?
Great idea. Than we wouldn't' even need to ask about immigration status. No status, no insurance, no sticker.
Brilliant!
Time until protest 3. . .2. . .1. . .
Quote from: Gaspar on June 24, 2010, 04:21:50 PM
Great idea. Than we wouldn't' even need to ask about immigration status. No status, no insurance, no sticker.
Brilliant!
Time until protest 3. . .2. . .1. . .
I just think it's smart. Gives LEO an 'at a glance' at vehicles who don't have one. Although I'm sure they'll scam it like the old inspection stickers.
Quote from: nathanm on June 24, 2010, 03:32:08 PM
I think we're going to see even more outrageous fees out of the towing companies and impound lots. On the bright side, it might increase demand for transit.
Instead of impounding them, why not do what California did to help cut down on street racing a few years ago?
Quote from: dbacks fan on June 24, 2010, 05:45:01 PM
Instead of impounding them, why not do what California did to help cut down on street racing a few years ago?
Because it's an utterly ridiculous waste of a perfectly good car. I'm fine with seizing the cars of serial offenders, but crushing them is stupid. Why not sell them at auction and raise money for better enforcement?
the same thing could have been said about a lot of perfectly good cars traded in during C4C, but that didn't stop Obummer from pouring silica down them.
THis Volvo refused to give in easily though...it knew how stupid C4C was:
Quote from: inteller on June 24, 2010, 09:49:08 PM
the same thing could have been said about a lot of perfectly good cars traded in during C4C, but that didn't stop Obummer from pouring silica down them.
The difference, of course, is that the owners of the vehicles with the destroyed engines consented to said destruction, that the entire vehicle was not destroyed, so useful parts could still be salvaged to repair other vehicles, and that the program specifically applied only to the replacement of vehicles getting poor gas mileage with those meeting a certain, more stringent, emissions standard.
Not that cash for clunkers is in any way relevant.
Anyone know what gas mileage that model Volvo used to get?
Quote from: nathanm on June 24, 2010, 05:50:15 PM
Because it's an utterly ridiculous waste of a perfectly good car. I'm fine with seizing the cars of serial offenders, but crushing them is stupid. Why not sell them at auction and raise money for better enforcement?
I hate destroying awesome machinery, but street racing is dangerous even to non-participants and needs to be stopped. That was one of the reason organized drag racing (NHRA?) was started, or so I've been told.
That being said, if the word is out your car can be confiscated and crushed and you street race anyway, that's the chance you took. If they are sold at auction, they will most likely just wind up racing on the street again.
Quote from: Red Arrow on June 24, 2010, 10:42:06 PM
I hate destroying awesome machinery, but street racing is dangerous even to non-participants and needs to be stopped. That was one of the reason organized drag racing (NHRA?) was started, or so I've been told.
That being said, if the word is out your car can be confiscated and crushed and you street race anyway, that's the chance you took. If they are sold at auction, they will most likely just wind up racing on the street again.
There's a different program for motorcyclists who street race.
They harvest the organs of those who lose those races.
Quote from: nathanm on June 24, 2010, 05:50:15 PM
Because it's an utterly ridiculous waste of a perfectly good car. I'm fine with seizing the cars of serial offenders, but crushing them is stupid. Why not sell them at auction and raise money for better enforcement?
My comment was partially tongue in cheek. Selling them at auction is a good idea.
Quote from: Red Arrow on June 24, 2010, 10:36:27 PM
Anyone know what gas mileage that model Volvo used to get?
Depending on the model 18 to 21 MPG.
From cars.com
http://www.cars.com/volvo/s80/2000/ (http://www.cars.com/volvo/s80/2000/)
Quote from: nathanm on June 24, 2010, 09:59:45 PM
The difference, of course, is that the owners of the vehicles with the destroyed engines consented to said destruction, that the entire vehicle was not destroyed, so useful parts could still be salvaged to repair other vehicles, and that the program specifically applied only to the replacement of vehicles getting poor gas mileage with those meeting a certain, more stringent, emissions standard.
Not that cash for clunkers is in any way relevant.
Yes, but the engine and accessories are a big part of the salvage value, not to mention the vehicles were most likely sent to a metal scrapper and not to salvage yards. I know someone at one of the local yards and they were all furious over C4C as it severely hindered their ability to get material.
Quote from: sgrizzle on June 25, 2010, 09:44:56 AM
Yes, but the engine and accessories are a big part of the salvage value, not to mention the vehicles were most likely sent to a metal scrapper and not to salvage yards. I know someone at one of the local yards and they were all furious over C4C as it severely hindered their ability to get material.
Something else to remember is that the salvage yards had 90 days to strip all the parts, after that they went to the shredder. They could not keep any of the drive train components, nothing off of the engine, transmission and, in the case of RWD, the rear end assembly.
While his commentary at the end is his own, some very good points are brought out in this.
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Here is how the Arizona law is written, and it covers more than just no insurance:
http://law.justia.com/arizona/codes/title28/03511.html (http://law.justia.com/arizona/codes/title28/03511.html)
Quote from: dbacks fan on June 25, 2010, 09:58:03 AM
While his commentary at the end is his own, some very good points are brought out in this.
Total BS. The government does everything right, including Cash For Clunkers.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 25, 2010, 10:02:44 AM
Total BS. The government does everything right, including Cash For Clunkers.
I am so glad I wasn't drinking anything at that point in time.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 25, 2010, 10:02:44 AM
Total BS. The government does everything right, including Cash For Clunkers.
Yeah, that's exactly what I said. It was a perfect program. ::)
There's a quote about the perfect being the enemy of the good. You might want to mull that one over for a while.
Quote from: nathanm on June 25, 2010, 11:38:49 AM
There's a quote about the perfect being the enemy of the good. You might want to mull that one over for a while.
No thanks, I'll leave that to people with more time on their hands than I do.
Quote from: dbacks fan on June 25, 2010, 09:34:51 AM
Depending on the model 18 to 21 MPG.
From cars.com
http://www.cars.com/volvo/s80/2000/ (http://www.cars.com/volvo/s80/2000/)
the combined city highway had to be 18 or less. The criminal thing was it was 18 or less on the NEW epa mileage standards, which are WAY too conservative...so a lot of good cars died for no good reason other than to get some free obummer money.
C4C was just a free gift to china who quickly scooped up the cheap scrap fresh on the market and shipped it back to make cheap sh iT boxes their own people could drive around and generated more pollution.
Why can't the government pay for our car insurance too......
Quote from: Breadburner on June 25, 2010, 09:10:56 PM
Why can't the government pay for our car insurance too......
I'll pay for the insurance if they'll pay for the gas.