I love the idea of this, if only such a law was enacted on the federal level.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/Media/oklahoma-pass-laws-prohibiting-islamic-sharia-laws-apply/story?id=10908521
Oklahoma is poised to become the first state in the nation to ban state judges from relying on Islamic law known as Sharia when deciding cases.
The ban is a cornerstone of a "Save our State" amendment to the Oklahoma constitution that was recently approved by the Legislature.
The amendment -- which also would forbid judges from using international laws as a basis for decisions -- will now be put before Oklahoma's voters in November. Approval is expected.
snip....
The proposed Oklahoma amendment is aimed, in part, at "cases of first impression," legal disputes in which there is no law or precedent to resolve the matter at hand.
In such cases, judges might look to laws or rulings in other jurisdictions for guidance. The proposed amendment would block judges in Oklahoma courts from drawing on sharia, or the laws of other nations, in such decisions.
The amendment also is a response to what some conservatives see as a pernicious trend -- cases of liberal judges mostly notably Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg, using foreign laws to shape their opinions in U.S. cases.
"It should not matter what France might do, what Great Britain might do, or what the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia might do," Duncan said. "Court decisions ought to be based on federal law, or state law."
Unreasoning paranoia at its finest by jamesimpotentrage.
Do you really think any Oklahoma judge is going to cite sharia law in any case?
Quote from: rwarn17588 on June 14, 2010, 09:09:29 PM
Unreasoning paranoia at its finest by jamesimpotentrage.
Do you really think any Oklahoma judge is going to cite sharia law in any case?
Happens all the time during my court appearances.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on June 14, 2010, 09:09:29 PM
Unreasoning paranoia at its finest by jamesimpotentrage.
Do you really think any Oklahoma judge is going to cite sharia law in any case?
A supreme court has cited foreign law, why do you think is it impossible to think a local judge would do the same?
Quote from: jamesrage on June 14, 2010, 10:06:37 PM
A supreme court has cited foreign law, why do you think is it impossible to think a local judge would do the same?
OK ... name an example in which it would, then.
Since most of our law is based on Blackstone and English common law, looks like the boys in Ok. City are going to have a heap of those foreign laws to rewrite so our judges can get back to only using the real American kind.
Quote from: eDuece on June 14, 2010, 10:35:53 PM
Since most of our law is based on Blackstone and English common law, looks like the boys in Ok. City are going to have a heap of those foreign laws to rewrite so our judges can get back to only using the real American kind.
This has nothing to do with laws copied from foreign sources. This has to do with judges citing foreign laws and cases in their court decisions. There is a difference.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/us/12ginsburg.html
Quote from: jamesrage on June 14, 2010, 10:54:53 PM
This has nothing to do with laws copied from foreign sources. This has to do with judges citing foreign laws and cases in their court decisions. There is a difference.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/us/12ginsburg.html
Again, please cite a case in Oklahoma in which sharia law is going to be or has been cited. Tick ... tick ... tick ...
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Quote from: Red Arrow on June 14, 2010, 10:59:50 PM
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Yes, I should wear a crash helmet just in case a meteorite strikes and kills me.
This is equivalent to using a sledgehammer to kill a miniature unicorn.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on June 14, 2010, 11:02:06 PM
Yes, I should wear a crash helmet just in case a meteorite strikes and kills me.
This is equivalent to using a sledgehammer to kill a miniature unicorn.
You owe me a keyboard and possibly a monitor!
Quote from: rwarn17588 on June 14, 2010, 11:02:06 PM
Yes, I should wear a crash helmet just in case a meteorite strikes and kills me.
This is equivalent to using a sledgehammer to kill a miniature unicorn.
outstanding
Hmmm. I think we'd better rethink this before we upend the foundation of our legal system. (the British common law, which is *gasp* FOREIGN!)
Quote from: rwarn17588 on June 14, 2010, 11:02:06 PM
This is equivalent to using a sledgehammer to kill a miniature unicorn.
Or possibly a tack hammer to kill a moose.
Quote from: nathanm on June 14, 2010, 11:38:46 PM
Hmmm. I think we'd better rethink this before we upend the foundation of our legal system. (the British common law, which is *gasp* FOREIGN!)
A good portion of our legal system was based on British common law before 1776, when it wasn't *gasp* FOREIGN.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on June 14, 2010, 10:25:04 PM
OK ... name an example in which it would, then.
Not sure if this is an example, but what about prisoner religious rights (i.e. special treatment such as extended prayer times and meals)?
Not taking a side favoring this law. Again, I cannot imagine a state judge, having to face voters, would apply Sharia law. I do not even know if such is legal authority.
Wouldn't other religion's laws have to be cited as well?
Quote from: Townsend on June 15, 2010, 10:09:29 AM
Wouldn't other religion's laws have to be cited as well?
Yep, but curious how that is not apparently part of the new law. Notwithstanding, Oklahoma has already passed the Religious Freedom Act, 51 O.S. Secs. 251
et. seq. In relevant part:
Quote§ 253. Burden upon free exercise of religion
A. Except as provided in subsection B of this section, no governmental entity shall substantially burden a person's free exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability.
B. No governmental entity shall substantially burden a person's free exercise of religion unless it demonstrates that application of the burden to the person is:
1. Essential to further a compelling governmental interest; and
2. The least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.
51 O.S. § 253
I guess Sharia law could be implicated under this section. Who knows? But if it isn't, here comes the equal protection folks...
Quote from: guido911 on June 15, 2010, 10:23:59 AM
I guess Sharia law could be implicated under this section. Who knows? But if it isn't, here comes the equal protection folks...
I know, right? Equal protection is, like, totally tiresome.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on June 14, 2010, 10:57:41 PM
Again, please cite a case in Oklahoma in which sharia law is going to be or has been cited. Tick ... tick ... tick ...
This law is about is preventing Sharia law and
laws from other countries being cited and used in Oklahoma cases. It doesn't matter if we had a Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the citing foreign laws on the state and local level or not, the key is prevent that sort of nonsense from happening.
Quote from: jamesrage on June 15, 2010, 11:11:41 AM
This law is about is preventing Sharia law and laws from other countries being cited and used in Oklahoma cases. It doesn't matter if we had a Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the citing foreign laws on the state and local level or not, the key is prevent that sort of nonsense from happening.
I didn't see it happening in the first place, but it does make the redneck in me feel better knowing that with the passage of this they will never use Sharia or international law in Oklahoma courts.
Quote from: jamesrage on June 15, 2010, 11:11:41 AM
This law is about is preventing Sharia law and laws from other countries being cited and used in Oklahoma cases. It doesn't matter if we had a Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the citing foreign laws on the state and local level or not, the key is prevent that sort of nonsense from happening.
Dude, the threat of an Oklahoma judge citing foreign law is nonexistent. If you can provide evidence to the contrary, do so. If not, you're scared of literally nothing.
This proposal is nothing more than a waste of time and money and a lot of pandering to fearful and gullible rubes such as you.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on June 15, 2010, 11:25:15 AM
fearful and gullible rubes.
Guess who holds office in Oklahoma.
Quote from: Conan71 on June 15, 2010, 11:20:22 AM
I didn't see it happening in the first place,
Better safe than sorry than to wait for some judge to cite sharia or foreign laws when deciding a case in Oklahoma.
Quote from: jamesrage on June 15, 2010, 11:38:05 AM
Better safe than sorry than to wait for some judge to cite sharia or foreign laws when deciding a case in Oklahoma.
Because then, when it happens, it's all over and we'll have become a part of the Ummah WITHOUT. EVEN. KNOWING IT.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on June 15, 2010, 11:25:15 AM
Dude, the threat of an Oklahoma judge citing foreign law is nonexistent. If you can provide evidence to the contrary, do so. If not, you're scared of literally nothing.
This proposal is nothing more than a waste of time and money and a lot of pandering to fearful and gullible rubes such as you.
If it can happen on the supreme court level then it can most certainly happen on the state and local level as well. This proposal is meant to prevent such a thing from occurring in Oklahoma.
Quote from: jamesrage on June 15, 2010, 11:45:30 AM
If it can happen on the supreme court level then it can most certainly happen on the state and local level as well. This proposal is meant to prevent such a thing from occurring in Oklahoma.
As usual, james doesn't answer the question ... he mindlessly repeats the same ludicrous talking point.
Quote from: Red Arrow on June 15, 2010, 07:42:26 AM
A good portion of our legal system was based on British common law before 1776, when it wasn't *gasp* FOREIGN.
It still is, except where it's been specifically overruled by the federal or state governments and where it is incompatible with the applicable constitutions.
Also, this law could find itself running afoul of the federal Constitution. Some treaties we have ratified could be argued to operate as "international law," and having been duly ratified by the Senate, are as binding as any federal law unless of course they run afoul of the Constiution.
I presume jamesrage is also opposed to state judges citing decisions made by other state courts when there is no precedent on point to otherwise guide them.
Quote from: eDuece on June 14, 2010, 10:35:53 PM
Since most of our law is based on Blackstone and English common law, looks like the boys in Ok. City are going to have a heap of those foreign laws to rewrite so our judges can get back to only using the real American kind.
Win. What happens when a state judge conceivably has to evaluate an issue of international law in a contract? This is completely ludicrous and a shame given all the other issues facing our state. I'm embarrased.
Is Jamesrage and Tom Coburn the same person?
QuoteCoburn wrote on his website that he believes "significant questions" have been raised about whether Kagan plans to use foreign law if she is confirmed as a Supreme Court justice.
QuoteSenator Tom Coburn Part Of Panel Questioning Elena Kagan
http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=12719107 (http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=12719107)
I foresee a future of many sound bites from this.
I like the idea of seeing what has happened elsewhere and what loopholes laws created. Instead of doing the same broken crap somebody else did and then have to fix it.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on June 14, 2010, 09:09:29 PM
Unreasoning paranoia at its finest by jamesimpotentrage.
Do you really think any Oklahoma judge is going to cite sharia law in any case?
Well there is this (don't know the veracity of the source though):
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/sharia-in-new-jersey-muslim-husband-rapes-wife-judge-sees-no-sexual-assault-because-husbands-religio.html
Quote from: guido911 on July 26, 2010, 10:44:36 AM
Well there is this (don't know the veracity of the source though):
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/sharia-in-new-jersey-muslim-husband-rapes-wife-judge-sees-no-sexual-assault-because-husbands-religio.html
Presuming your source is accurate, given that the idiotic decision (which has nothing to do with sharia per se, only religious custom in general) was overturned on appeal, I think we have nothing to worry about, despite the tone of the article.
Guido,
I am begging you... PLEASE... REALLY... cite an example or two of Oklahoma cases where foreign or sharia law was cited as precedent or basis for a ruling! Something that can be researched and actually seen!
I anxiously await!
Here is what Ginsburg actually said about the topic, just in case anyone wants the un-Fox-edited version.
Justice Ginsburg said the controversy was based on the misunderstanding that citing a foreign precedent means the court considers itself bound by foreign law as opposed to merely being influenced by such power as its reasoning holds.
"Why shouldn't we look to the wisdom of a judge from abroad with at least as much ease as we would read a law review article written by a professor?" she asked.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 26, 2010, 08:56:44 PM
Guido,
I am begging you... PLEASE... REALLY... cite an example or two of Oklahoma cases where foreign or sharia law was cited as precedent or basis for a ruling! Something that can be researched and actually seen!
I anxiously await!
I think before you go off you should perhaps, just perhaps, look through this thread and see my comments.
Quote from: guido911 on July 27, 2010, 04:21:37 PM
I think before you go off you should perhaps, just perhaps, look through this thread and see my comments.
You're no fun.
Ahhhh....irony..... yes, the joys of the lack of nuance in text. Sorry.
And yes, I jumped right over your next comments.
And yeah...that's no fun!
Off on a tangent;
The Religious Freedom Act reads like one of those "feel good", touchy-feely sitting around the campfire singing Kumbaya things that doesn't have much real meaning. Or can be whatever the reader wants it to mean.
But it leaves the definition of "compelling governmental interest" and "least restrictive means" to the courts.
I guess that's how all those lawyers in the legislature provides an ongoing revenue stream of litigation and political turmoil. Turmoil creates commotion which creates opportunity for income.
It's a relief to know neither Sharia nor international law will be used to determine these critical points.
Too bad this state wastes so much time with stuff like that.
Quote from: guido911 on July 26, 2010, 10:44:36 AM
Well there is this (don't know the veracity of the source though):
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/sharia-in-new-jersey-muslim-husband-rapes-wife-judge-sees-no-sexual-assault-because-husbands-religio.html
Amazing how people think "oh that could never happen here". The fact there are judges like Joseph Charles in New Jersey or a Ruth Bader Ginsburg on on the supreme court proves that we have judges that will cite foreign and religious laws. Luckily for Oklahoma most of the liberals are those who populate this forum, but we could end up getting a liberal judge like that in Oklahoma one.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on July 26, 2010, 08:56:44 PM
Guido,
I am begging you... PLEASE... REALLY... cite an example or two of Oklahoma cases where foreign or sharia law was cited as precedent or basis for a ruling! Something that can be researched and actually seen!
I anxiously await!
Why do we have to wait for something to happen here before we can make a law against it? Where is the logic in that? I realize that Oklahoma is probably one of the most conservative states in the country but a liberal judge could weasel his way in.
Quote from: jamesrage on August 08, 2010, 07:41:06 PM
Why do we have to wait for something to happen here before we can make a law against it?
And why should we wait to purchase our magic shields in case the unicorn with its killer death ray comes to attack us? ::)
Quote from: rwarn17588 on August 08, 2010, 08:13:03 PM
And why should we wait to purchase our magic shields in case the unicorn with its killer death ray comes to attack us? ::)
Every place I have called has been out of stock. Do you have a source with some in stock? ;D
Quote from: rwarn17588 on August 08, 2010, 08:13:03 PM
And why should we wait to purchase our magic shields in case the unicorn with its killer death ray comes to attack us? ::)
Did someone say "unicorn" ?
"Shun the nonbeliever... shun..... shun...." :P
Quote from: JeffM on August 09, 2010, 12:30:48 AM
Did someone say "unicorn" ?
"Shun the nonbeliever... shun..... shun...." :P
Damn you, you stole three and a half minutes of my life.
Quote from: jamesrage on August 08, 2010, 07:37:59 PM
Amazing how people think "oh that could never happen here". The fact there are judges like Joseph Charles in New Jersey or a Ruth Bader Ginsburg on on the supreme court proves that we have judges that will cite foreign and religious laws. Luckily for Oklahoma most of the liberals are those who populate this forum, but we could end up getting a liberal judge like that in Oklahoma one.
Yeah, we especially don't want any judge citing English Common Law...
Quote from: Conan71 on August 09, 2010, 11:12:49 AM
Yeah, we especially don't want any judge citing English Common Law...
That would be just terrible, wouldn't it?
You do know that Oklahoma has a law against Whale hunting.
Quote from: Gaspar on August 09, 2010, 02:50:16 PM
You do know that Oklahoma has a law against Whale hunting.
I happen to agree with that one.
Quote from: Gaspar on August 09, 2010, 02:50:16 PM
You do know that Oklahoma has a law against Whale hunting.
It must be a great deterrent, I've never seen anyone whale hunting in Oklahoma.
And there used to be a law about prohibited sexual positions, too.
We got rid of that so we can now be known as Oklahoma the Progressive!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 09, 2010, 04:47:11 PM
And there used to be a law about prohibited sexual positions, too.
We got rid of that so we can now be known as Oklahoma the Progressive!
COP: "Sir. . . Please put your hands against the wall and spread em. You're under arrest for aggravated reverse camel. You're lucky, I'm not going to charge the young lady, though I suspect she may have been engaged in a double kangaroo before I entered the bedroom."
CONAN: "Please officer, can you just give me a warning? I've already got a 2008 frothy walrus on my record."
Exactly!
Quote from: Gaspar on August 10, 2010, 08:39:11 AM
COP: "Sir. . . Please put your hands against the wall and spread em. You're under arrest for aggravated reverse camel. You're lucky, I'm not going to charge the young lady, though I suspect she may have been engaged in a double kangaroo before I entered the bedroom."
CONAN: "Please officer, can you just give me a warning? I've already got a 2008 frothy walrus on my record."
No, it was a double back galloping centipede!
Not needed. As many have pointed out over and over we are not in danger from a Muslim theocracy.
Won't hold up. The law specifically targets one religion. Change "sharia law" to "religious law" and it might hold up.
Not helpful. I want my judges looking at all sources of knowledge to make a decision. If someone in oklahoma, texas, france or arabia came to the best solution to a problem, great. Why exclude knowledge? It isn't binding...
Already covered. 1st amendment.
If we pass this, let's add amendments banning housing muslim armies, forbiding the state from banning pork, or making it illegal to kill christians. Prevention is key. It COULD happen!
Quote from: cannon_fodder on August 10, 2010, 12:49:07 PM
"forbiding the state from banning pork" Prevention is key. It COULD happen!
No freaking way. One word, Bacon. Not even Yahweh can kill our bacon.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on August 10, 2010, 12:49:07 PM
Not needed. As many have pointed out over and over we are not in danger from a Muslim theocracy.
Won't hold up. The law specifically targets one religion. Change "sharia law" to "religious law" and it might hold up.
Not helpful. I want my judges looking at all sources of knowledge to make a decision. If someone in oklahoma, texas, france or arabia came to the best solution to a problem, great. Why exclude knowledge? It isn't binding...
Already covered. 1st amendment.
If we pass this, let's add amendments banning housing muslim armies, forbiding the state from banning pork, or making it illegal to kill christians. Prevention is key. It COULD happen!
Where you been, dude? You've been missed.
Quote from: Conan71 on August 10, 2010, 09:48:10 AM
No, it was a double back galloping centipede!
Don't you need to be able to dislocate your thumb for that one, or am I thinking of "the drunken bus driver?"
Here we go again:
QuoteTAMPA — A Florida appeals court appears to have cleared the way for a Hillsborough judge to use Islamic law to decide a key issue in a lawsuit involving a local mosque.
In a case that has attracted national attention, the 2nd District Court of Appeal on Friday denied without comment a petition to prevent Judge Richard Nielsen from invoking Islamic law.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/civil/appeals-court-wont-stop-hillsborough-judge-from-considering-islamic-law/1198321
What, precisely, is the problem here?
Quote from: nathanm on October 26, 2011, 08:50:49 PM
What, precisely, is the problem here?
This might start up the "let's ban Sharia law" debate again. Personally, if there is contractual dispute and interpretation of the terms and conditions at issue require application of understandings unique to the parties, those understandings--even if religious--should be on the table. I have seen this sort of thing numerous times.
To me, this is not an Okie fundie issue when it comes to opposing the introduction of Sharia/Islamic law. Not only is it denigrating, it is almost understandable if the context of the application of Sharia or other religious tenets is not made clear. Now, if courts were to start busting out Korans and quoting passages as primary or even secondary authority supporting their decisions in, let's say, run-of-the-mill tort cases, then perhaps we can take another look.
I agree 100%. It would be a shame if Glenn Beck or Alex Jones went off on some conspiracy theory bender on the air because of this.
Quote from: nathanm on October 26, 2011, 09:30:17 PM
I agree 100%. It would be a shame if Glenn Beck or Alex Jones went off on some conspiracy theory bender on the air because of this.
That's almost a certainty.
Per TW FB post:
QuoteAn appeals court on Tuesday said Oklahoma's ban on the consideration of Islamic Shariah law in the state's courts "is likely unconstitutional" and kept in place an injunction against the voter-approved measure.
I still dont believe the initiative was much more that a tactic to bring out enough extremists to barely elect Fallon.
And here she goes again:
(http://www.tulsaworld.com/articleimages/2012/20120111_sallykern1111.jpg)Oklahoma Rep. Sally Kern eyes fix to Islamic law ruling
QuoteOKLAHOMA CITY - An Oklahoma lawmaker hopes to revive a bill she said will address the concerns of an appellate court that ruled a proposed state constitutional amendment discriminates against religions.
Oklahoma City Republican Rep. Sally Kern said Wednesday a bill she introduced last year would prohibit state courts from basing rulings or decisions on foreign laws, but does not target any religion specifically. Her bill passed the House overwhelmingly last year, but was not granted a hearing in the Senate.
A federal appeals court on Tuesday ruled that a constitutional amendment to ban Oklahoma courts from considering international or Islamic law likely is unconstitutional. More than 70 percent of Oklahoma voters approved the proposal in 2010, but a Muslim community leader challenged it as an official disapproval of his faith.
Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=336&articleid=20120111_336_0_OKLAHO687647
I've read the Tenth Circuit opinion and I cannot see how she can get around it.
Quote from: guido911 on January 11, 2012, 04:35:29 PM
I've read the Tenth Circuit opinion and I cannot see how she can get around it.
Because she'd answer you with "the tent circus what now?"
Quote from: guido911 on January 11, 2012, 04:35:29 PM
I've read the Tenth Circuit opinion and I cannot see how she can get around it.
When has actual legal principals, precedence, or reality in general ever stopped Oklahoma politicians from doing the stupid s*** they do??
I wonder if the law could be worded to exclude "any form of religious law or international law" and thereby pass review with the Supremes. Not that I think it's a good idea. It's transparent pandering and a solution to a non-existent problem.
I know an attorney who remarked that any new law can have unpredictable results. His warning was to be careful what you wished for.
Quote from: Ed W on January 11, 2012, 08:28:22 PM
I wonder if the law could be worded to exclude "any form of religious law or international law" and thereby pass review with the Supremes. Not that I think it's a good idea. It's transparent pandering and a solution to a non-existent problem.
I know an attorney who remarked that any new law can have unpredictable results. His warning was to be careful what you wished for.
It seems to me that "any form of religious law or international law" would preclude our very own system which has basis in religious and international laws. Catch 22?
I could be mistaken, but I think our legal system drew from English common law, the Lords Baltimore for ideas on religious freedom, and even on some concepts borrowed from the Iroquois. Come to think of it, the Iroquois were here first, so maybe it's only right that we adopted some of their ideas.
They're still at it:
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — The Oklahoma Senate has approved legislation to prohibit the use of foreign law in state courts.
http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Oklahoma-Senate-approves-foreign-law-court-ban/pYnEbUVLokiPQua_ncUZaA.cspx
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QlV4Wv1cvgE/Tnj99lOORmI/AAAAAAAAASE/IZ4gHDZ_7t8/s1600/Third-party-facepalm.jpg)
But it was a Tulsa lawmaker. Arent we supposed to be just a little less hillbilly?
Quote from: patric on May 25, 2012, 11:34:56 AM
But it was a Tulsa lawmaker. Arent we supposed to be just a little less hillbilly?
Even "a little less hillbilly" than rural Oklahoma is still hillbilly to 11.
Maybe this will help our state be a little less...less:
Oklahoma Muslim Advocacy Group Launches Voter Drivehttp://kwgs.com/post/oklahoma-muslim-advocacy-group-launches-voter-drive (http://kwgs.com/post/oklahoma-muslim-advocacy-group-launches-voter-drive)
QuoteOKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — A Muslim advocacy group in Oklahoma is launching a voter registration drive in an attempt to get the state's estimated 30,000 Muslims more involved in the political process.
The Oklahoma chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations announced the drive on Thursday. The group's new Executive Director Adam Soltani says the campaign is designed to provide Oklahoma's Muslims with tools they need to be more engaged and represented in politics.
The "Voice Your Vote" campaign will include events in Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Stillwater and Edmond during the next month.
Soltani says Oklahoma's Muslim community is composed primarily of two distinct groups — American-born Muslims and those who emigrated from another country.
He says the American-born Muslims traditionally have been more politically active.
Senate panel approves ban on foreign lawshttp://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/12/4062672/oklahoma-considers-foreign-law.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/12/4062672/oklahoma-considers-foreign-law.html)
QuoteOklahoma lawmakers are considering banning judges in the state from basing any rulings on foreign laws, including Islamic Sharia law. Oklahoma voters approved a constitutional amendment in 2010 that would have specifically prohibited courts from considering Sharia law, but a federal judge blocked its implementation after a Muslim community leader alleged it discriminates against his religion. Bill sponsor Sen. Ralph Shortey, R-Oklahoma City, said he didn't know of an instance in Oklahoma where a judge has relied on foreign laws, but he said there have been cases in other states. That prompted state Sen. Brian Crain, R-Tulsa, to describe the measure as a "solution that's looking for a problem." Crain was the only member of the Senate committee to vote against the bill.
I thought a judge already overturned this law. The voters approve it and the judges over turn the wishes of the voters.
Quote from: sauerkraut on February 13, 2013, 01:17:46 PM
I thought a judge already overturned this law. The voters approve it and the judges over turn the wishes of the voters.
Can you spell "Constitution"..??
Of course not....
Is it me or does it seem that T and Hoss have turned this forum into their personal sauerkraut trolling station? I know I share ideas/beliefs with conman, RA, and BB when he is lurking. But for T & Hoss, especially when kraut posts, it becomes an OCD event. Try PMing each other, and if that doesn't work glove up and get after it.
Quote from: guido911 on February 13, 2013, 02:30:38 PM
Is it me or does it seem that T and Hoss have turned this forum into their personal sauerkraut trolling station? I know I share ideas/beliefs with conman, RA, and BB when he is lurking. But for T & Hoss, especially when kraut posts, it becomes an OCD event. Try PMing each other, and if that doesn't work glove up and get after it.
What's up, Obsession?
Quote from: guido911 on February 13, 2013, 02:30:38 PM
Is it me or does it seem that T and Hoss have turned this forum into their personal sauerkraut trolling station?
Townsend is trying to catch Conan in number of posts. Hoss is assisting the effort.
;D
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 13, 2013, 03:02:24 PM
Townsend is trying to catch Conan in number of posts.
Not possible.
Yes, I appear to be the postmaster
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Quote from: Conan71 on February 13, 2013, 03:20:24 PM
Yes, I appear to be the postmaster
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you're certainly 'master' of something...
8)
OK, so our legislators want to ban foreign laws. Does that mean a contract that is legally binding in another country cannot be enforced here? If a married couple steps across an international border, are they still married? If you rob someone in Canada, should you expect to escape prosecution here? And those Canadians growing high quality pot, should we send federal agents or troops across the border to drag them back here for trial?
Guido oughta know. Let's ask him.
The Bible isnt 'Merican. Hell, it wasnt even writ in English...
Quote from: Hoss on February 13, 2013, 03:30:14 PM
you're certainly 'master' of something...
8)
...master of his own destiny....?
Quote from: Townsend on February 13, 2013, 03:18:30 PM
Not possible.
You are the leader in on-line time.
137d 17h 40m when I checked a few minutes ago.
Quote from: Ed W on February 13, 2013, 05:26:02 PM
OK, so our legislators want to ban foreign laws. Does that mean a contract that is legally binding in another country cannot be enforced here? If a married couple steps across an international border, are they still married? If you rob someone in Canada, should you expect to escape prosecution here? And those Canadians growing high quality pot, should we send federal agents or troops across the border to drag them back here for trial?
Guido oughta know. Let's ask him.
I've yet to hear an opposing party say to a court, Guido's argument is flawed. Then proceed with "[A]ccording to the Koran.....". Here's a link to an article discussing this sort of statute for your amusement and to lessen your working knowledge of the import of primary/secondary legal authority and its application. http://publicpolicyalliance.org/legislation/american-laws-for-american-courts/
I do have stories about
pro se people and, yes, lawyers, quoting Biblical passages during hearings. Not a smart move.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 13, 2013, 10:57:25 PM
You are the leader in on-line time.
137d 17h 40m when I checked a few minutes ago.
Runs in the background while I'm at work.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Federal_judge_throws_out_Oklahomas_ban_on_Sharia_law/20130815_11_0_OKLAHO915933?subj=11
This was the governor's platform.
May we please have another?
Quote from: Vashta Nerada on August 15, 2013, 08:22:39 PM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Federal_judge_throws_out_Oklahomas_ban_on_Sharia_law/20130815_11_0_OKLAHO915933?subj=11
This was the governor's platform.
May we please have another?
So has the appeal been filed?
And it just literally stuns me to the point of breathlessness how Oklahoma collectively has no real clue as to the kind of laughing stock we are turning ourselves into with this kind of carp.
And now we have a special session called that WON'T do anything to put storm shelters in all the schools in this state!! But we got the big 0.25% tax break!!
Yay, team!!
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 16, 2013, 08:51:13 AM
And it just literally stuns me to the point of breathlessness how Oklahoma collectively has no real clue as to the kind of laughing stock we are turning ourselves into with this kind of carp.
Just stop it, heiron. Oklahoma is nowhere near the laughing stock as New York (with Weiner & Spitzer), Michigan (with Detroit), California (you know, prop 8, Ahnuld, Maxine Waters & Filner), Florida (with just about everything), North Carolina (Sharia law and voting rights), Arizona (Gov. Brewer, Sheriff Joe--I like both, but still).
And the entirety of your post tells us that you don't like what's happening because OKC is not doing what you'd like. No reason to call Oklahoma a laughingstock because your ideas are in the minority.
Edited to add this gem, a congressidiot calling her own district in Florida racist.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/08/15/video-dem-rep-accuses-her-district-being-its-regular-racist-self
Quote from: guido911 on August 16, 2013, 11:02:27 PM
Just stop it, heiron. Oklahoma is nowhere near the laughing stock as New York (with Weiner & Spitzer), Michigan (with Detroit), California (you know, prop 8, Ahnuld, Maxine Waters & Filner), Florida (with just about everything), North Carolina (Sharia law and voting rights), Arizona (Gov. Brewer, Sheriff Joe--I like both, but still).
And the entirety of your post tells us that you don't like what's happening because OKC is not doing what you'd like. No reason to call Oklahoma a laughingstock because your ideas are in the minority.
Edited to add this gem, a congressidiot calling her own district in Florida racist.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/08/15/video-dem-rep-accuses-her-district-being-its-regular-racist-self
Sure, Guido, but every place you named has a much greater population than Oklahoma. The odds favor them having a greater number of idiots. Oklahoma politicians outclass them on quality, however, with the exception of Anthony Weiner, a man who sticks out in any crowd. (Couldn't resist!)
Quote from: Ed W on August 17, 2013, 07:55:28 AM
Sure, Guido, but every place you named has a much greater population than Oklahoma. The odds favor them having a greater number of idiots. Oklahoma politicians outclass them on quality, however, with the exception of Anthony Weiner, a man who sticks out in any crowd. (Couldn't resist!)
Come on, that's a terrible argument, we are the
pro rata laughingstock? If that's the case, then Delaware is the biggest laughingstock because it gave us this guy:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/joebiden/a/top-10-biden-quotes.htm
Or for you folks with PDS (Palin Derangement Syndrome), there's Alaska. And Kansas has an anti-Sharia law.
But your post did get me thinking about state by state population. Here's a, gulp, wiki link,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population
Quote from: guido911 on August 17, 2013, 01:29:42 PM
Come on, that's a terrible argument, we are the pro rata laughingstock? If that's the case, then Delaware is the biggest laughingstock because it gave us this guy:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/joebiden/a/top-10-biden-quotes.htm
Or for you folks with PDS (Palin Derangement Syndrome), there's Alaska. And Kansas has an anti-Sharia law.
But your post did get me thinking about state by state population. Here's a, gulp, wiki link,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population
I spend way more time in comment sections of articles than I should, and when Oklahoma comes up on national, and especially international news sites, it seems there is a lot of ridicule in those comments. Oklahoma and Texas seems to get laughed at way more than other states, and it centers on the fact that the legislation tries to pass some of the stupidest stuff out there, not because we have individual idiots who manage to become politicians.
Quote from: custosnox on August 17, 2013, 01:38:20 PM
I spend way more time in comment sections of articles than I should, and when Oklahoma comes up on national, and especially international news sites, it seems there is a lot of ridicule in those comments. Oklahoma and Texas seems to get laughed at way more than other states, and it centers on the fact that the legislation tries to pass some of the stupidest stuff out there, not because we have individual idiots who manage to become politicians.
You need to "get out" more and look around. Oklahoma is a very, very red state. It's going to pass laws that will draw attention to it by states that are very very blue (and have media stationed there). Just think about this. Sure, Oklahoma has Sally Kern. NY has Spitzer & Weiner. Illinois? Blago. D.C. has Marion Barry. S.C. just put Mark Sanford in Congress. Hell, in Colorado there is an active secession movement. Who is more the laughingstock?
And want to know how bad it is in Florida. While I think his beef is way overstated, it is this bad:
http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2013/07/john-oliver-daily-show-calls-florida-worst-state
Quote from: guido911 on August 17, 2013, 02:09:24 PM
You need to "get out" more and look around. Oklahoma is a very, very red state. It's going to pass laws that will draw attention to it by states that are very very blue (and have media stationed there). Just think about this. Sure, Oklahoma has Sally Kern. NY has Spitzer & Weiner. Illinois? Blago. D.C. has Marion Barry. S.C. just put Mark Sanford in Congress. Hell, in Colorado there is an active secession movement. Who is more the laughingstock?
And want to know how bad it is in Florida. While I think his beef is way overstated, it is this bad:
http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2013/07/john-oliver-daily-show-calls-florida-worst-state
Oh, I'm pretty sure that I "get out" plenty. Doesn't excuse the stupidity of some of the laws that they try to pass here, like this Sharia law.
Quote from: custosnox on August 17, 2013, 06:18:16 PM
Oh, I'm pretty sure that I "get out" plenty. Doesn't excuse the stupidity of some of the laws that they try to pass here, like this Sharia law.
How about the 'ban the using of aborted fetuses in food' law that was proposed. That was a mammoth Oklahoma facepalm moment. I always love how the lawmaker who proposes such idiocy usually uses the excuse that he or she was just kidding and trying to make a point.
What point? That many Oklahoma law makers are mindless rubes? I don't think that point needs to be made anymore. It's been made.
Quote from: guido911 on August 16, 2013, 11:02:27 PM
Just stop it, heiron. Oklahoma is nowhere near the laughing stock as New York (with Weiner & Spitzer), Michigan (with Detroit), California (you know, prop 8, Ahnuld, Maxine Waters & Filner), Florida (with just about everything), North Carolina (Sharia law and voting rights), Arizona (Gov. Brewer, Sheriff Joe--I like both, but still).
And the entirety of your post tells us that you don't like what's happening because OKC is not doing what you'd like. No reason to call Oklahoma a laughingstock because your ideas are in the minority.
Edited to add this gem, a congressidiot calling her own district in Florida racist.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/08/15/video-dem-rep-accuses-her-district-being-its-regular-racist-self
Yeah, we ARE a laughing stock...maybe if you talked to more people from other states?? I do...a LOT...
So, my ideas are the minority...well, that just shows how tragically inept the legislature truly is, and how abominable the leadership in that "august" body and the Governors office have been for many, many years. The state is concerned about inanities while how many people die from tornadoes?? In the Moore schools, completely, totally, without exception, preventable!! But hey, that would mean spending a little bit more on public schools...anathema to the RWRE so intent on dismantling public education.... and an "unwarranted government intrusion" into business in this state to modify building codes to require storm shelters on any new construction. And God forbid we should go so far as to require retrofit..... You know what the really sad thing is - that you are probably right - my idea that storm shelters should be put into every school IS the minority view!!
Not like the phrase "tornado alley" really amounts to anything, anyway....
You like Brewer? What part of her regime do you like the best? The part that was so focused on doing Federal job vis-a-vis illegals that she presided over a prison system joke that allowed 3 dangerous criminals to escape and kill two Oklahoma tourists a couple years ago?? (Sister and brother in law of a good friend). Or the fact that she actively refused a direct offer of help from Obama during the wildfires where 19 firefighters were killed?? Sure, they may have died anyway, but what if some extra help would have prevented that? More help is always better.
But this "person" cannot see anything past her own psychosis about being as rude as possible to Obama, to the point where there have been two questionable events in very recent history that have led to death and devastation. While she continues whatever it is she is doing instead of what is right....
I wonder how a congressman calling the district racist compares to our Governor stating that teachers should be killed?? You remember Frank Keating, don't you?
It's not a per-capita argument, but rather a "what else have you got" argument. OK looks ridiculous to the outside world because we don't have any other positive or interesting (again, to the outside world) stories to counter the various idiocies that we as a state produce. CA, CO, NY, TX, etc, all are much larger ecosystems and have lots of other attributes that balance out - to a certain degree - their various areas of stupidity. We unfortunately don't. To most of the rest of the US, "there is no there, there" as far as OK is concerned and all they hear about is the extreme examples set by some of our legislators, etc. And once you are the butt of that joke a few times, it's hard to shake that reputation.
The State sponsored Protestant Ten Commandments monument is being challeneged and the most recent abortion law has just been suspended by the Courts.
Oklahoma has to pass more unconstitutional laws than any other state. I though our true conservative legislature held the constitution in the but most regard? Unless it doesn't serve their purpose.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on August 20, 2013, 06:50:15 AM
Oklahoma has to pass more unconstitutional laws than any other state.
We can be NUMBER 1 in something.
:(
Quote from: cannon_fodder on August 20, 2013, 06:50:15 AM
Oklahoma has to pass more unconstitutional laws than any other state.
I was wondering about that when I read the Plan B story.
I rest my case.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-5-2013/ballotproof
Quote from: cannon_fodder on August 20, 2013, 06:50:15 AM
The State sponsored Protestant Ten Commandments monument is being challeneged and the most recent abortion law has just been suspended by the Courts.
Any bets on CF's head really exploding over this pic?
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4934536245151044&pid=1.7
Quote from: guido911 on August 23, 2013, 12:31:46 AM
Any bets on CF's head really exploding over this pic?
As long as it's kept off public land, should be fine.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on June 14, 2010, 09:09:29 PM
Unreasoning paranoia at its finest by jamesimpotentrage.
Do you really think any Oklahoma judge is going to cite sharia law in any case?
Ya never know- It's better to be safe than sorry. There could one day be some liberal judge or even a Muslim judge somewhere who may slip in some Sharia Law. At least we will have that back door covered now. The people voted to support this law by a huge number.
Quote from: Red Arrow on August 20, 2013, 07:34:54 AM
We can be NUMBER 1 in something.
:(
I think we have the best governor in all the 50 states, that says something. Oklahoma's gov was also voted some top place at the governors meeting last month in Wisconsin. I forgot exactly what title they voted for Oklahoma's governor. Mary Fallin is one of the most popular governors around.
Quote from: sauerkraut on August 24, 2013, 10:02:59 AM
Ya never know- It's better to be safe than sorry. There could one day be some liberal judge or even a Muslim judge somewhere who may slip in some Sharia Law. At least we will have that back door covered now.
(judges don't create laws)
Quote from: sauerkraut on August 24, 2013, 10:02:59 AM
The people voted to support this law by a huge number.
See http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=20177
Someone's been watching too much porn lately, being worried about sharia law being slipped in the back door and all.
Wondering why it has been quiet around here....Damned teabaggers.
http://coosbay.org/archive/news-entry/mingus-park-vietnam-memorial1
And look what is in the Tulsa World today. Just shocking that the whole country is just lounging around, laughing its collective @ss at us Okies.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Oklahoma_wins_title_of_most_forgotten_state/20130826_11_A9_Ivedri471320
Oh wait, their not.
Perhaps those in here that rip on this state are the ones with the problem after all. Them, and apparently the same 5-6 people they talk to from other states that supposedly think we are a bunch of rubes. Looking your way heiron, CF and cust. That sound you are hearing is slow fail.... ;D
Quote from: guido911 on August 27, 2013, 03:28:03 AM
And look what is in the Tulsa World today. Just shocking that the whole country is just lounging around, laughing its collective @ss at us Okies.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Oklahoma_wins_title_of_most_forgotten_state/20130826_11_A9_Ivedri471320
Oh wait, their not.
Perhaps those in here that rip on this state are the ones with the problem after all. Them, and apparently the same 5-6 people they talk to from other states that supposedly think we are a bunch of rubes. Looking your way heiron, CF and cust. That sound you are hearing is slow fail.... ;D
A story about a staff writer talking about how people around the country forget we exist...not exactly glowing.
Apparently minstrels will not be singing about our glorious deeds anytime soon...a fiddle dee dee.
Michael Overall: Oklahoma wins title of most forgotten stateQuoteI've driven across Upstate New York a couple of times, which hardly makes me an expert on the place.
But from what I could tell, the people are perfectly willing to smile and look you in the eye. And they can speak in complete sentences without dropping any F-bombs.
That is to say, they are nothing like the other species of New Yorker that you find swarming the streets of the Big Apple.
So the Upstaters are understandably upset by a recent survey that declared New York the "rudest state in America."
Factor out The City, they say, and New York is no worse than Pennsylvania or Massachusetts. And not half as bad as New Jersey.
Oklahoma, of course, didn't even register on the who's-the-rudest question.
We're obviously the nicest state in America, a reputation solidified after the Oklahoma City bombing and reaffirmed most recently by the we're-all-in-this-together attitude that impressed the whole country after the Moore tornado.
Off the grid: Everybody knows we're the salt of the earth, right?
Apparently not.
On the question "which state is nicest?" Oklahoma got barely a handful of votes last week in the Business Insider survey, ranking well behind Colorado, Oregon and Wisconsin.
Even California got more votes.
Seriously. California.
Ever get stuck in an L.A. traffic jam? The middle finger is virtually the state motto.
But somehow they rank ahead of Oklahoma - where people willingly start traffic jams just to let perfect strangers turn left.
The fact is, Oklahoma barely registered on any of the survey questions.
Weirdest accent?
Not even close.
Best food?
Not at all.
Most arrogant?
Obviously not.
Craziest people?
No.
Smartest? No.
Dumbest? No.
Ugliest residents?
Well, we got a few votes. But no.
Worst scenery?
Finally, we were competitive, but Kansas got the nod.
Salt in the wound: Frankly, for the most part, our fellow Americans simply ignored us on the survey.
And that's why Oklahomans should feel more slighted than Upstate New Yorkers.
As one syndicated columnist observed last week, people in New York City feel the same way about towns Upstate as they do about Oklahoma City.
"They are only vaguely sure they actually exist."
Never mind New Yorkers. Our problem is that even people in Little Rock seem to forget us.
And that's just rude.
Original Print Headline: State wins title of most forgotten
We're never mentioned during election cycles because we're known to be broken. "So closed minded, Oklahoma won't even think about it."
Quote from: sauerkraut on August 24, 2013, 10:02:59 AM
Ya never know- It's better to be safe than sorry. There could one day be some liberal judge or even a Muslim judge somewhere who may slip in some Sharia Law. At least we will have that back door covered now. The people voted to support this law by a huge number.
Just shows how many of you really are that.... well, you know what....
Quote from: guido911 on August 27, 2013, 03:28:03 AM
And look what is in the Tulsa World today. Just shocking that the whole country is just lounging around, laughing its collective @ss at us Okies.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Oklahoma_wins_title_of_most_forgotten_state/20130826_11_A9_Ivedri471320
Oh wait, their not.
Perhaps those in here that rip on this state are the ones with the problem after all. Them, and apparently the same 5-6 people they talk to from other states that supposedly think we are a bunch of rubes. Looking your way heiron, CF and cust. That sound you are hearing is slow fail.... ;D
Now, there's a ringing endorsement...we are the most unknown....yep, that's us! It's not even worth the effort to remember we are here...!!??
Except for that laughingstock stuff... but hey, whatever makes you feel better. So, tell me again, why is it all that business activity hasn't appeared after all that "business friendly" stuff we have done. We should have outpaced Texas for years! (We haven't.) Prime example - Micron Technology - one of the big players in high technology - who came to OK and ended up saying that dealing with OK was like dealing with kindergarten kids. THAT is the reputation we have...and if you think ALL the rest of the business world doesn't share that experience, well, geez...open some eyes!
The lengths some in here will go to run this state down. Amazing.
Quote from: guido911 on August 27, 2013, 10:09:58 PM
The lengths some in here will go to run this state down. Amazing.
Post great things about Oklahoma that sets it apart from other states.
Why is Oklahoma a win?
Quote from: Townsend on August 27, 2013, 11:06:22 PM
Post great things about Oklahoma that sets it apart from other states.
Why is Oklahoma a win?
Seriously? Oklahoma is THAT bad you have to be convinced otherwise? Not interested.
Quote from: guido911 on August 28, 2013, 01:21:11 AM
Seriously? Oklahoma is THAT bad you have to be convinced otherwise? Not interested.
We have a musical.
Apparently Oklahoma's so bad that to defend it you had to post a story about how the rest of the country forgets it exists.
Now excuse me while I go knock the dust off my surrey with the fringe on top.
Quote from: Townsend on August 28, 2013, 09:35:23 AM
We have a musical.
Apparently Oklahoma's so bad that to defend it you had to post a story about how the rest of the country forgets it exists.
Now excuse me while I go knock the dust off my surrey with the fringe on top.
I didn't know that was how you rolled...
Quote from: Hoss on August 28, 2013, 09:45:42 AM
I didn't know that was how you rolled...
With two white horses, dammit.
Quote from: Hoss on August 28, 2013, 09:45:42 AM
I didn't know that was how you rolled...
Well played...
Quote from: Townsend on August 27, 2013, 11:06:22 PM
Post great things about Oklahoma that sets it apart from other states.
Why is Oklahoma a win?
We have a lot of great stuff...I have talked about bunches of it in the past... INCLUDING the people...mostly...
But what we also have is this amazing ability to put on blinders and consistently, predictably and stupidly elect people who do NOT have the best interests of the people of the state at heart! And we do it so much, it's just indescribable to outsiders. Even after all these years, and knowing I should expect it...still surprises.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on August 28, 2013, 10:02:31 AM
We have a lot of great stuff...I have talked about bunches of it in the past... INCLUDING the people...mostly...
But what we also have is this amazing ability to put on blinders and consistently, predictably and stupidly elect people who do NOT have the best interests of the people of the state at heart! And we do it so much, it's just indescribable to outsiders. Even after all these years, and knowing I should expect it...still surprises.
What positives set it apart from other states?
What can finish the statement, "Yeah but Oklahoma has _____." that would make someone in another state say "Oh, well that is great."?
Quote from: Townsend on August 28, 2013, 10:05:05 AM
What positives set it apart from other states?
What can finish the statement, "Yeah but Oklahoma has _____." that would make someone in another state say "Oh, well that is great."?
Yeah but Oklahoma has BurnCo Barbecue.
Yeah but Oklahoma has Crybaby Hill.
Quote from: Townsend on August 28, 2013, 10:05:05 AM
What positives set it apart from other states?
What can finish the statement, "Yeah but Oklahoma has _____." that would make someone in another state say "Oh, well that is great."?
Therein lies the rub.... we have the crazies passing known unconstitutional stuff left and right, and no Disneyland!! Other states that have their crazies, like guido talks about at least have a massive offset to counteract.
Well, let's see...what do I think we have that sets us apart...or at least sums up to as good as or better....and I am being dead serious with this.... NOT necessarily in this order - this is just the order I wrote them down. And as far as setting us apart from other states - well, I submit a lot of that is a propaganda effort. Disneyland is cool to go to once, but how many times can you watch a 6' tall mouse walking around and get entertainment value out of it. We don't do a good job in the propaganda world.
1. Spring storms!! Best in the north American continent! Bar none!
2. Great bass fishing! Arguably "world class" and second to no other state in the Union - from fishermen I know...I am not one - I catch perch when I go fishing.
3. Deer hunting. Similar to 2. Texas and Colorado have the 'rep' but we got DEER!!! Lots and lots of deer...and many of them very big!
4. Boating - we got the lakes. Lots of them. Lake sports....
5. Barbeque - Albert G's. Ray's in Norman. Some really good, world class, barbeque in this state - better than most in the country.
6. Real live prairie, restored to what it was before even the Cherokee's got driven here. Tens of thousands of acres of it.
7. Casinos. World class tourist draw....as much as I hate the nasty smelling, disgusting, smoke filled boxes, there are a whole lot of people who come here for them. (Sadly, even more poor Okies go there, too!)
8. Nice, friendly people. When you get past the religious and political discussions, most of OK is just filled with friendly people. There are places that I have been that are at least as friendly, but no state is noticeably better at it. Many are much worse! (Hear that New Jersey...??)
9. Woolaroc - in particular, we have one of the best selections/collections of real live shrunken heads that I have seen in any museum that I have visited!
10. And this one is probably the summation of all the above, plus a bunch of others - quality of life. Lifestyle. Whatever ya wanna call it. It is good here. Pretty scenery, gorgeous sunsets/sunrises, mostly mild winters, brutal summers - oh, wait...sorry, that's not an advantage... In all my decades of travel, and the millions of miles driving around north America (yes, millions...), and hundreds of thousands of miles flying, and thousands of towns visited, I haven't found more than 3 or 4 places - a small handful - that would be any higher than northeast Oklahoma on my list of good places to live. My big complaint is that with some fairly modest effort, it could be much better for everyone. I hate the sales pitch that uses the argument, "well, we're no worse than anyone else...."
And then to put a little bit of twist on it - in the 70's and 80's, there was a procession of friends, family, and acquaintances (work, etc) who came through Tulsa area - dozens of them over those years. And the number 1 "tourist destination" they all wanted to see was - wait for it....
...any guesses yet?....
...waiiiiitttttt for it......
Yep, you guessed it - ORU!
Oklahoma has a great deal of ecological diversity, offering visitors dense forests and mountains to lowlands and desert. We have more original miles of historic Rt 66 still in existence than any other state. It draws visitors from around the world. We have the remnants of the Chisholm Trail that could be a similar draw for tourism.
If have a solid independent judiciary that knocks out ludacris laws.
Quote from: cannon_fodder on August 28, 2013, 01:06:41 PM
If have a solid independent judiciary that knocks out ludacris laws.
You mean they bat it back and forth like Pong.
(http://bavatuesdays.com/files/2012/02/1pong.gif)
Quote from: cannon_fodder on August 28, 2013, 01:06:41 PM
If have a solid independent judiciary that knocks out ludacris laws.
I didn't know that rapper guy made any laws here in Oklahoma? :P
Quote from: TheArtist on August 28, 2013, 03:16:11 PM
I didn't know that rapper guy made any laws here in Oklahoma? :P
Shonuff!
(http://thissongissick.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Ludacris-Georgia.jpg)
Take a little Sharia and mix it with our laws. :)
Looks like we've got some compatriots in Mittengan.
Dearborn, Michigan Is Under Sharia Law, Says Satirical Website, But City Is Not Amusedhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/dearborn-michigan-sharia-law-satire_n_4179045.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/dearborn-michigan-sharia-law-satire_n_4179045.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009)
QuoteCity in Michigan First to Fully Implement Sharia Law," declared a National Report headline on Monday, causing an uproar on social media. Over 88,000 people shared the article, and many took action by calling city hall employees in Dearborn, Michigan, to voice their outrage. Dearborn is a suburb of Detroit with a large Muslim population which some say is the second largest Arab population outside of the Middle East.
However, their indignation was unfounded, as National Report, which calls itself "America's #1 Independent News Team," is actually a fake news site a la The Onion, and had posted the article as satire.
The Article:"In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into effect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene.
The new law could see citizens stoned for adultery or having a limb amputated for theft. Lesser offenses, such as drinking alcohol or abortion, could result in flogging and/or caning. In addition, the law imposes harsh laws with regards to women and allows for child marriage.
QuoteAll of their claims were patently false, and unsubstantiated with source links.
Many readers were extremely upset, however, clearly not getting the 'joke'. Commenter Thelma resorted to caps lock to voice her displeasure, writing, "Someone needs to step up and challenge this in the courts! This is TOTALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL!" Commenter Laura added, "And BTW, this is a result of the idiot liberalism gripping our country. Get with it people! Our founding fathers set up a wonderful system. Don't abandon it! DEFEND IT with all your might!"
The one most annoyed with the article was actually the city of Dearborn, Michigan, itself, which sent out a press release titled, "City of Dearborn Not Amused By Falsehood; Sets Record Straight."
Mayor O'Reilly said in the release:"Dearborn has never been, nor ever will be, under sharia law. We are governed by the U.S. Constitution, the Constitution of the State of Michigan and the City of Dearborn Charter.
We are a city named after a Revolutionary War Hero. We have lost loyal Dearborn American military service personnel in every war this country has fought to protect the individual rights we are guaranteed through the U.S. Constitution.
The National Report's misguided attempt at humor furthers the goals of some people who have tried to suggest that the City of Dearborn is anti-American because our population includes residents who are Muslim.
The National Report is not a news site, but is only pretending to be one. Its purpose is entertainment. In this case, its outrageous story, with no basis in fact, has ended up fooling people in part because it mirrors allegations made by others in the past with less than humorous intentions."
"Yeah but Oklahoma has Guido" duh.
Quote from: Townsend on October 31, 2013, 08:36:25 AM
Looks like we've got some compatriots in Mittengan.
"In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into effect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene.
The new law could see citizens stoned for adultery or having a limb amputated for theft. Lesser offenses, such as drinking alcohol or abortion, could result in flogging and/or caning. In addition, the law imposes harsh laws with regards to women and allows for child marriage.
Which is not exclusive to Sharia law at all - this is the Old Testament law that so many of the extremist elements from our RWRE are trying to put into place, claiming to be Christian (which by definition, isn't...).
One of the most amazing examples of the kind of this type of reality disconnect I have seen was a tattoo a guy had on his arm of Leviticus 18:22.
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
While completely oblivious to Leviticus 19:28
"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."
But then there are always people trying to rationalize things so they can do what they want, rather than the law and will of God....
http://www.sacredink.net/tattoo_and_the_bible/
Same verses also tell us to observe the Sabbath - which certainly is a minority activity in this country....for the most part we observe Sunday rather than the Sabbath.
If the reactionary extremists in this country had their way, we would already be back to "Sharia Law" as was effectively practiced for hundreds of years in this country - both before and after liberation from the English oppressors. I think we are much better off as a society today than at almost any time in our history - in a wide variety of ways. Now, if we can just take back the Republican party from the extremist hijackers, we can have some further improvement....
Not really a story about Sharia law in this country, but here is a story about a response to a country's adoption of Sharia law having interests inside this county.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20140508-714626.html
Yes, Jay Leno is apparently am Islamophobe.
Per the TW:
State of Oklahoma owes $303,333 in plaintiffs' legal fees over Shariah law case
Quote from: Townsend on May 19, 2014, 04:45:57 PM
Per the TW:
State of Oklahoma owes $303,333 in plaintiffs' legal fees over Shariah law case
Makes you wonder if the legal lobby is writing these pile bills, doesn't it?
Quote from: guido911 on May 09, 2014, 06:57:58 AM
Not really a story about Sharia law in this country, but here is a story about a response to a country's adoption of Sharia law having interests inside this county.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20140508-714626.html
Yes, Jay Leno is apparently am Islamophobe.
All they are doing is getting back to basics, like the fanatic right wing religious extremists here want to do. Pat Robertson wants us to be a theocracy with Sharia law....he just calls it Old Testament law. Just so happens to be the same thing.
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 19, 2014, 06:58:09 PM
All they are doing is getting back to basics, like the fanatic right wing religious extremists here want to do. Pat Robertson wants us to be a theocracy with Sharia law....he just calls it Old Testament law. Just so happens to be the same thing.
So eating shrimp will be not only sinful and immoral, but illegal as well?
Quote from: Ed W on May 19, 2014, 08:07:48 PM
So eating shrimp will be not only sinful and immoral, but illegal as well?
And touching the skin of pigs on sabbath? Football is doomed!
Quote from: Hoss on May 19, 2014, 08:31:34 PM
And touching the skin of pigs on sabbath? Football is doomed!
Granted footballs have not actually contained any materials from pigs in over a hundred years.
Quote from: Hoss on May 19, 2014, 08:31:34 PM
And touching the skin of pigs on sabbath? Football is doomed!
That won't be a problem - even if footballs were pigskin, Sunday isn't the Sabbath....it's Friday night to Saturday night. High school football may have a problem.....
Quote from: Ed W on May 19, 2014, 08:07:48 PM
So eating shrimp will be not only sinful and immoral, but illegal as well?
Well, it's already the first two - anything that good must be both, so illegal is just a short step.
Oh...and tattoos....grounds for stoning.
Maybe someone should ask Pat Robertson if he really wants the old law...? I wonder if there is anything in the old law that would apply to a draft dodger (Senator father pulling strings.) and then being the liquor supply officer for the officer's club..... Don't ya just love the inter-webz?
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on May 19, 2014, 10:00:44 PM
....grounds for stoning.
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Quote from: Conan71 on May 20, 2014, 08:51:31 AM
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Ahhhhh, Grasshopper.... there is hope for you yet!!!