Drove by there this morning and it looks like dirt work is being done in prep for construction at this corner. Has anyone heard what is going in there? That entire area in front of Target would seem to be a prime location to me.
Quote from: Ibanez on June 03, 2010, 01:42:58 PM
Drove by there this morning and it looks like dirt work is being done in prep for construction at this corner. Has anyone heard what is going in there? That entire area in front of Target would seem to be a prime location to me.
Didn't someone in an earlier thread mention something about Park Hill Liquors or some liquor store moving in there?
Quote from: Hoss on June 03, 2010, 01:53:44 PM
Didn't someone in an earlier thread mention something about Park Hill Liquors or some liquor store moving in there?
That was Inteller, so take it as you will.
I heard a rumor not to long ago that it was going to be an Old Navy. Not entirely sure though.
Quote from: forevertulsa89 on June 03, 2010, 03:01:10 PM
I heard a rumor not to long ago that it was going to be an Old Navy. Not entirely sure though.
If true all I can say is
ugh
So two rumors but only one certainty, this project doesn't effect me.
Liquor Store is going in on the NW corner...just N of the QT
I believe an At&t or Verizon store is going in front of the target.
Quote from: titan43112 on June 04, 2010, 01:08:14 PM
I believe an At&t or Verizon store is going in front of the target.
Probably not an at&t corporate store. They have one up at 71st and Mingo and another one on Memorial just south of Charlie's Chicken, in the same building as GameStop. Both are only a few years old.
Quote from: titan43112 on June 04, 2010, 01:08:14 PM
I believe an At&t or Verizon store is going in front of the target.
Great we need another one of those. ::)
Driving past this evening I saw a small sign that said Parkhill Liquor.
Edit:
I just noticed that I got my NE and NW confused. Parkhill is going in on the NW side, north of the QT.
Anybody know what stores are going in front of the Super Target store and can find renderings of the shopping center? Are there plans for a restaurant there also? I heard that Troy Aikman has a stake in this development. Seems like a prime location.
Quote from: oasis812005 on September 08, 2010, 12:31:54 PM
I heard that Troy Aikman has a stake in this development. Seems like a prime location.
mmmm.... Prime stake.
Quote from: oasis812005 on September 08, 2010, 12:31:54 PM
Seems like a prime location.
It's freakin stop light he!! over there. I hate driving north from 111th to 81st.
Quote from: guido911 on September 08, 2010, 03:07:03 PM
It's freakin stop light he!! over there. I hate driving north from 111th to 81st.
1 111th
2 Entrance to Regal Plaza
3 Entrance to Aldi's, movie theater, etc
4 101st
5 Entrance to Target
6 Entrance to BMW and other car dealers on both sides
7 South side of turnpike
8 North side of turnpike
9 Side street to library
10 91st
11 81st.
Quote from: Red Arrow on September 08, 2010, 08:56:12 PM
1 111th
2 Entrance to Regal Plaza
3 Entrance to Aldi's, movie theater, etc
4 101st
5 Entrance to Target
6 Entrance to BMW and other car dealers on both sides
7 South side of turnpike
8 North side of turnpike
9 Side street to library
10 91st
11 81st.
Try living in uptown Houston (around the Galleria). That's tame compared to there. I once counted 14 traffic signals within a mile stretch of road. Now, while many people would say 'meh', I'm talking about Westheimer Rd, which is the only arterial street I've ever seen to be eight lanes.
Quote from: Hoss on September 08, 2010, 09:06:36 PM
Try living in uptown Houston (around the Galleria). That's tame compared to there. I once counted 14 traffic signals within a mile stretch of road. Now, while many people would say 'meh', I'm talking about Westheimer Rd, which is the only arterial street I've ever seen to be eight lanes.
Just one of the reasons I don't live in a place like Houston, Dallas, NYC, LA,.....
Quote from: Red Arrow on September 08, 2010, 11:37:00 PM
Just one of the reasons I don't live in a place like Houston, Dallas, NYC, LA,.....
Sometimes work takes you places you don't like to live, but need to move so you can make money. I liked my little part of the world of it once I moved out of the Galleria area. It felt a little more like Broken Arrow (towards Spring for those familiar with the area).
Quote from: Red Arrow on September 08, 2010, 08:56:12 PM
1 111th
2 Entrance to Regal Plaza
3 Entrance to Aldi's, movie theater, etc
4 101st
5 Entrance to Target
6 Entrance to BMW and other car dealers on both sides
7 South side of turnpike
8 North side of turnpike
9 Side street to library
10 91st
11 81st.
Yikes! Looks like we need some stoplights between 91st and 81st. (don't see your problem there)
Is there any arterial street in the Tulsa area where there's not a stop light or sign every mile?
between 81st & 91st: 0 lights
between 91st & 101st: 5 lights
between 101st & 111th: 2 lights
Lewis: 11th - 21st: 3 lights
41st: Yale - Sheridan: 4 lights?
what are some other high-light miles?
Quote from: BKDotCom on September 09, 2010, 07:58:39 AM
Yikes! Looks like we need some stoplights between 91st and 81st. (don't see your problem there)
Is there any arterial street in the Tulsa area where there's not a stop light or sign every mile?
between 81st & 91st: 0 lights
between 91st & 101st: 5 lights
between 101st & 111th: 2 lights
Lewis: 11th - 21st: 3 lights
41st: Yale - Sheridan: 4 lights?
what are some other high-light miles?
I only listed the lights (or lack of) farther north than 91st since Guido claimed from 111th to 81st. Please,no more lights.
71st, Mingo to Garnett: 4
71st, Mingo to Memorial: 2
Yale, 71st to 61st: 3
Quote from: Hoss on September 09, 2010, 12:02:41 AM
Sometimes work takes you places you don't like to live, but need to move so you can make money. I liked my little part of the world of it once I moved out of the Galleria area. It felt a little more like Broken Arrow (towards Spring for those familiar with the area).
I'm in Tulsa because my dad accepted a transfer while I was in college. He almost didn't accept but a potential business deal didn't work out. After college and the Navy, I came "back" to Tulsa and stayed. I would have been desperate to look for work in the really big cities but I cannot say I NEVER would have gone. So far I have been fortunate to find another job in the area when I needed one.
Quote from: Red Arrow on September 09, 2010, 08:04:49 AM
Please,no more lights.
(http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/qq43/Colt_Cobra2002/THEREARE4LIGHTS.jpg)
Let me guess. Cartridge World, AT&T, Radio Shack..wow exciting.
Quote from: Red Arrow on September 09, 2010, 08:09:49 AM
I'm in Tulsa because my dad accepted a transfer while I was in college. He almost didn't accept but a potential business deal didn't work out. After college and the Navy, I came "back" to Tulsa and stayed. I would have been desperate to look for work in the really big cities but I cannot say I NEVER would have gone. So far I have been fortunate to find another job in the area when I needed one.
I was young and actually happy that I got the chance to live somewhere else than here. Made me appreciate home that much more.
Quote from: BKDotCom on September 09, 2010, 07:58:39 AM
Yikes! Looks like we need some stoplights between 91st and 81st. (don't see your problem there)
Is there any arterial street in the Tulsa area where there's not a stop light or sign every mile?
between 81st & 91st: 0 lights
between 91st & 101st: 5 lights
between 101st & 111th: 2 lights
Lewis: 11th - 21st: 3 lights
41st: Yale - Sheridan: 4 lights?
what are some other high-light miles?
Yale, 41st to 51st: 5 lights. 61st to 71st there are, I think now four lights. All told from 31st to 71st there's, I thnk, 12 of them and if you are really lucky you will hit every damn one of them. It's red light Hell.
Quote from: Hoss on September 09, 2010, 09:33:15 AM
I was young and actually happy that I got the chance to live somewhere else than here. Made me appreciate home that much more.
I had a similar experience with KC when I was 21.
Quote from: Conan71 on September 09, 2010, 09:34:18 AM
I had a similar experience with KC when I was 21.
I was 23 when I moved from here to Houston. Moved back about six months after the divorce in Dec of 1993 when I was 26. I had enough money to take about a 6 week break from looking for work. Starting looking in Feb of 1994 (first week) and had a job within 2 days. The economy was a *little* better back then.
Oh, and KC is a town I would move to. I know enough friends there and have been there enough to like it there. Houston wasn't bad once I moved out of the city center but the drive to work was no fun (one way was 23 miles and it wasn't an easy 23 miles for sure).
Quote from: Conan71 on September 09, 2010, 09:33:40 AM
Yale, 41st to 51st: 5 lights.
I only count 3: 2 at I-44 and 1 at Promenade/McDonalds
Quote from: Conan71 on September 09, 2010, 09:33:40 AM
61st to 71st there are, I think now four lights.
I just know of 3, but haven't been down that stretch in quite a while
Lights @ 65th, 66th, & 68th
Quote from: BKDotCom on September 10, 2010, 07:41:21 AM
I only count 3: 2 at I-44 and 1 at Promenade/McDonalds
I just know of 3, but haven't been down that stretch in quite a while
Lights @ 65th, 66th, & 68th
I'm also counting the lights at 41st & 51st as well. I forgot about the light at AMC north of 41st when I was counting 31st to 71st total lights.
Regardless, it sucks if you get stuck in red light hell. Hit one from 71st north, chances are you will catch them all. Seems they could better engineer the lights so there is less a chance of that happening. All the idling and accellerating doesn't help with emissions.
Quote from: sgrizzle on September 09, 2010, 08:07:56 AM
71st, Mingo to Garnett: 4
71st, Mingo to Memorial: 2
Yale, 71st to 61st: 3
11th, Mingo to Garnett - 5 (includes the lights at Mingo and Garnett).
41st, Mingo to Garnett - 6 (includes Mingo and Garnett)
Quote from: Conan71 on September 10, 2010, 09:24:42 AM
Seems they could better engineer the lights so there is less a chance of that happening. All the idling and accellerating doesn't help with emissions.
I think that only one direction at a time can be synchronized. Works good on one way streets.
When Mrs. Wevus and I moved from Chicago in 2007, it obviously took us awhile to get acclimated, but one of the things that's been eye-opening as we travel NOW (as opposed to when we lived in Chicago) is how much more Tulsa there is in the world and how little Chicago. Meaning, more people in the country live like people do in Tulsa than they do in Chicago.
This includes: car vs. public transit preferences; density preferences; what sort of domicile you want to live in and how much space is in it and how much space is outside of it; where and how you socialize, shop, and worship, and whether you should really bother walking or biking to each one.
There are obviously political differences, too, mostly which include a different tolerance for cost of living. There's no denying it: city dwellers are not only willing, but in some ways expect to pay a premium for their type of living . . . and they will shell it out in a myriad of ways (taxes, fees, higher price tolerance in general).
But anyway, my point in writing this is to express my mild shock at the perceived differences between Houston and Tulsa, where the difference in lifestyle is almost exclusively due to the amount of people, rather than the style itself. People in Houston (and Dallas, and Little Rock, and Kansas City, and Phoenix, etc etc choose your own adventure) almost exclusively live in places that look and feel like Tulsa. Stoplights, 8 lane arterials, big box stores set back in the middle of gigantor parking lots, and houses ringed around endless cul de sacs. And for those of us who crave "authenticity," every one of those cities, big and small, has the equivalent of our Midtown. Trust me: I've priced property in each one.
So I guess my question is: what really pulled you back to Tulsa? Family? Familiarity? A city not so crammed with people?
Pretty much all of the above, Wevus. Kansas City wasn't much different than Tulsa as far as density vs. sprawl. I spent the latter part of my teen years plotting ways to blow this town. Once I was gone, I realized though KC had many opportunities and benefits, Tulsa would always be home. Instead of thinking Tulsa was a great place to be from it was a great place to be. No slam on KC, it's just a different pace here and I had family and friends here.
I had several circumstances come to a head at once. I had a falling out with one of my roommates and happened to meet the first Mrs. Conan at that time and she was preparing to start her Sr. year at OSU. My brother had bought a business and needed my help so there was yet one more reason.
It made sense at the time to move back to Tulsa at that point. I just felt a pull. I'd moved to KC in the first place due to a budding auto racing career, but I realized my finances were not going to hold out long enough to catch the attention of potential future car owners or sponsors and at that time, for open wheel dirt racing, I needed to be further to the east like Indy, Ohio, or Central Pennsylvania. I was working construction and racing on the weekends in central Missouri. In order to try and make a living racing, it wasn't going to happen in KC and I simply decided I wasn't willing to make the sacrifices I would have needed to such as living like a hobo to make it somewhere else.
Same here. But really more factors than just that.
The whole divorce thing started it. Sure, I had friends, but they were all from work. I had no family here. So once I moved into my own apartment on my own in May, I stayed seven months.
I had family here. A mother who was still semi-ambulatory, a familiarity with the region, and yes, less crammed for space.
I tired of the hour long commute to work and hour back. It finally culminated when the apartment complex I was living in finally got hit by the crime bug. When you hear more than one gunshot from a different area of the complex a night, it's time to start thinking about your current living condition.
The final trigger was a Nov '93 visit back to Tulsa for my brothers first son's first birthday (he turns 18 this November..wow). I wound up bar hopping that weeked with some old friends, and after a few Budweisers and some pool, I made the proclamation.
Flew my brother and a friend one way, sold what little furniture I had, packed everything else up in the 86 Ford Taurus and drove back to Oklahoma. Never regretted moving back.
But, I also don't regret that time I spent in Texas. Unlike many I know, I'm glad to say I've resided in different areas of the country, even if it's just two.
Guess I'm more of a 'home is where the heart is' kinda guy, as opposed to 'home is where my head hits the pillow'...