Could Oklahoma support a second NBA franchise? The Indiana Pacers could be looking at relocation:
Link: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hdjhQ3DnXglZFinKSlwcojEL2umAD9FK825O2
Why not Tulsa? If Oklahoma City can--Tulsa most certainly can!
Tulsa (BOK Center) http://gsmith.mysite.com/images/bok_center_4.jpg
The competition:
Louisville (new arena under construction):
http://www.arenaauthority.com/
Kansas City (Sprint Center) Oversaturated Market(?):
http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/27600
http://kansascity.bizjournals.com/kansascity/stories/2009/12/07/daily21.html
http://www.kansascity.com/sprintcenter/
Seattle (KeyArena)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kimlaama/381440568/
NBA ready arena in Seatte appears to be dead.
lol
Quote from: Laramie on May 13, 2010, 08:29:13 PM
Could Oklahoma support a second NBA franchise?
No.
Next question.
Tulsa would probably land NHL before NBA and even that's a stretch. The WNBA and AFL may be the only pro teams we have for awhile. I would like to see the Drillers bumped up to AAA and the Oilers up to AHL, and the TU Golden Hurricane a top team in their conference. That is a pretty good sports offering for a city of our size, especially considering big time college sports at OSU is an hour away and OU/Arkansas are only 2 hours away.
Quote from: SXSW on May 14, 2010, 09:50:38 AM
Tulsa would probably land NHL before NBA and even that's a stretch. The WNBA and AFL may be the only pro teams we have for awhile. I would like to see the Drillers bumped up to AAA and the Oilers up to AHL, and the TU Golden Hurricane a top team in their conference. That is a pretty good sports offering for a city of our size, especially considering big time college sports at OSU is an hour away and OU/Arkansas are only 2 hours away.
I think the Oilers to AHL may not be as much of a stretch, as I've heard rumblings that the AHL would like to see something along those lines and get a "Texas/Oklahoma" division going, which would include the AHL franchises in Austin, San Antonio, Oklahoma City and here.
For those that don't know the current affiliations of those other three:
Austin = Dallas Stars
San Antonio = Phoenix Coyotes
OKC (starting next season) = Edmonton Oilers
And I know I've had several people say that the attendance wouldn't support AHL, but I think you'd be wrong. The Tulsa CHL average attendance would compare to the top 10 attendance averages in the AHL.
Quote from: Hoss on May 14, 2010, 10:01:00 AM
San Antonio = Phoenix Coyotes
Depending on how things go it may be the Winnipeg Jets instead of the Phoenix Coyotes.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/11/20100511phoenix-coyotes-deal-approved.html (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/11/20100511phoenix-coyotes-deal-approved.html)
I'm not even sold that OKC can support the Thunder. It's way, way too early to judge that. If they're terrible in a few years, we'll have a better idea of OKC's level of support. They're still too new, then they got good quickly.
Can Tulsa support the Shock? See how long the newness lasts....
Sellout for opener 'incredible'
The Tulsa Shock announced Wednesday that the team's inaugural game Saturday with the Minnesota Lynx is an official sellout.
The upper bowl of the BOK Center will be curtained off and tickets will not be sold in those sections (many WNBA teams do this). But all 7,479 seats of the BOK's lower bowl have been sold. An additional 200 to 400 overflow seats were made available and have been sold.
The BOK Center has made 200 standing-room only tickets available for the opener. Those tickets are $10 each and can be purchased by calling 599-9622 or online at tulsaworld.com/shock.
"We are excited to see the community embrace the Tulsa Shock on opening night," said team President Steve Swetoha. "Players, coaches and entire Shock organization appreciate the support and commitment the community has shown us — it's humbling."
As of now, only lower bowl tickets will be sold to the Shock home games.
"Our goal is to sell 7,479 (seats) every night," Swetoha said. "The lower level gives us the opportunity to have an intimate, energetic atmosphere. It's our goal to sell out every game, and it's great to have the support we have for opening night. Now, if we start selling every game out, we'll review our policy of opening the upper level. That's not something we have looked at, at this time."
Said BOK general manager John Bolton: "This is an incredible accomplishment. Not only do we have a sold-out opening game, but to have to add an additional 200
standing room-only tickets is a great indication of the success this team will have in Tulsa."
By LYNN JACOBSEN World Sports Writer
Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/article.aspx?subjectid=413&articleid=20100513_29_B7_TheTul670814
:P "Sellout" . Every game can be a sellout as long as you keep restricting the seating to whatever you sell. Hurray for technical sellouts.
I would support an NBA team in Tulsa and hope it happens someday. We just need some rich guys to make it happen but it may take 10 or 15 years or more.
Won't happen unless Oklahoma's two large markets grow to about 3 million each. NBA won't support two small market teams in the same state.
I would like to see the NHL here, but realistically, I think the AHL would be a better fit, and gives us a natural rival (OKC).
Quote from: Hoss on May 17, 2010, 10:39:25 AM
Won't happen unless Oklahoma's two large markets grow to about 3 million each. NBA won't support two small market teams in the same state.
I would like to see the NHL here, but realistically, I think the AHL would be a better fit, and gives us a natural rival (OKC).
Good point! When the Seattle Supersonics were for sale; Larry Elliott wanted to purchase the team and move it to San Jose and the NBA explained that with teams in Oakland and Sacramento and third team in that region wouldn't be approved.
...I think the AHL would be a better fit, and gives us a natural rival (OKC).I feel that it will happend, it's just a matter of when. There are too many AHL teams operating in the red and Tulsa would be a more attractive market with teams in Oklahoma City, Des Moines, Austin, Houston and San Antonio
AHL and AAA baseball would make me happy. Good support for AHL could turn into an NHL team down the road and that would be really cool. I really want to see TU continue to do well in football and consistently stay as one of the top 'mid-majors' like a Boise State or Fresno State. The same for basketball, which was at that level in the late 90's/early 00's and could get there again. The Reynolds Center is a great on-campus venue for college basketball and really big games could sell-out the BOK Center if TU was at a high level like they used to be.
It will be interesting to see what happens with this whole conference realignment talk. If OU and OSU somehow go to the SEC with Texas and A&M that could leave the door open for TU to align itself with remaining Big 12 teams if Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, and Baylor are left out. Those teams along with UTEP, SMU, Houston, Rice, and potentially Memphis, Louisiana Tech and/or TCU (if the MWC and WAC are raided) could make for an interesting regional conference that would attract more fans than the current C-USA.
The league allowed the OKC move because the state was pitched as a single market. Tulsa can't make the same play--they won't be able to pretend that people from OKC will come down the turnpike to support the Tulsa Tornadoes or whatever.
We won't get an AAA baseball team until MLB expands from 30 to 32 teams. At that point, there will be a need for two new AAA farm franchises to support the two new major league teams, and two more cities to take over the AAA franchises from cities that got promoted from AAA to MLB.
So, AHL is the quickest possibility, I think. I can't think of any barriers offhand other than an interested investor. Would Henry Primo make this play?
Quote from: Floyd on May 18, 2010, 10:50:26 PM
The league allowed the OKC move because the state was pitched as a single market. Tulsa can't make the same play--they won't be able to pretend that people from OKC will come down the turnpike to support the Tulsa Tornadoes or whatever.
We won't get an AAA baseball team until MLB expands from 30 to 32 teams. At that point, there will be a need for two new AAA farm franchises to support the two new major league teams, and two more cities to take over the AAA franchises from cities that got promoted from AAA to MLB.
So, AHL is the quickest possibility, I think. I can't think of any barriers offhand other than an interested investor. Would Henry Primo make this play?
As long as it's ANYBODY other than Jeff Lund. I think Primeaux would be interested, but the bigger question is what NHL franchise would like to put an AHL farm team here?
Wow, I'm torn between the Summer Olympics or an NBA Franchise.
decisions, decisions!!
Quote from: Laramie on May 13, 2010, 08:29:13 PM
Could Oklahoma support a second NBA franchise? The Indiana Pacers could be looking at relocation:
Link: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hdjhQ3DnXglZFinKSlwcojEL2umAD9FK825O2
Why not Tulsa? If Oklahoma City can--Tulsa most certainly can!
Tulsa (BOK Center) http://gsmith.mysite.com/images/bok_center_4.jpg
The competition:
Louisville (new arena under construction):
http://www.arenaauthority.com/
Kansas City (Sprint Center) Oversaturated Market(?):
http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/27600
http://kansascity.bizjournals.com/kansascity/stories/2009/12/07/daily21.html
http://www.kansascity.com/sprintcenter/
Seattle (KeyArena)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kimlaama/381440568/
NBA ready arena in Seatte appears to be dead.
Stop posting this crap about OKC's NBA team here.
You're just trying to stir up chit. Here's your own post from the Oklahoma City message board:
Quote
Yet, people in Tulsa believe that we are stupid for passing and continuing to extend this one-cent sales tax which has generated a massive economic impact--calling it millionaires' welfare!
Sure they are jealous!
Oklahoma City is like the new magnificantly groomed hostess who has invested in a new wardrobe. Tulsa is like Scarlett O'Hare parading around in that ole dress from the estates' mansion drapes.
"magnificantly groomed hostess"
Priceless.
Quote from: swake on May 20, 2010, 10:45:42 AM
Stop posting this crap about OKC's NBA team here.
You're just trying to stir up chit. Here's your own post from the Oklahoma City message board:
"magnificantly groomed hostess"
Priceless.
The hostess has crabs
Quote from: Townsend on May 20, 2010, 10:54:57 AM
The hostess has crabs
when life gives you crabs, make crabcakes... that what I thay....
memories, like the corner of my mind.... misty.... watercolored.....
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3135&highlight=Daisy+Dukes
QuoteYou would think that after all these years, Oklahoma City and Tulsa would have found peace with each other as they were growing up.
It's seems as though there is still quite a rivalry between these two sisters.
Are we still the same blood-thirsty rivals we have always been.
Tulsa is a charming, cosmopolitan and clean city!
Oklahoma City is a hospitable, high spirited and heralded city!
Tulsa has always had that reputation for being a beautiful young mistress; whereas, Oklahoma City use to tag along as her big overall wearing tomboy sister with bifocals and nappy hair. She made Tulsa look that much more beautiful!
Over the last ten years, things have changed...
Big sister, OKC has had a make-over and went out and invested in a new wardrobe. Tulsa is still wearing the same well kept clothes she's worn ten years ago and she's aged a bit, looking more like Joan Rivers dressed as Miss Scarlet!
She's (OKC) even dating someone who Tulsa wanted eight years ago, his name is MLS.
Now, Tulsa has put on her daisy dukes and she still can't get MLS's attention; that ole bee hive hair-do and false eyelashes just won't do!
You see, Tulsa use to always play hard to get!
Meanwhile, OKC makes no beans about strutting her stuff on the streets.
She's getting popular; yet, she doesn't have to drop a handkerchief or extend a leg to get attention. A simple smile and an occasional glance will do!
OKC has been a real active girl lately, working out and getting more solid and with some fine muscle tone.
Tulsa on the other hand has remained virtually the same, however she's been sitting around the buffet tables and eating up all the profits.
Tulsa will eventually make one more attempt to get MLS. While OKC isn't around, she is going to get out of those daisy dukes and attempt to get MLS to go skinny-dipping with her.
She has forgotten that those thighs developed just a little bit too much cellulite on the back of the buttocks, she looks as though she has been spanked with a waffle iron.
Quote from: JeffM on May 20, 2010, 11:52:46 AM
when life gives you crabs, make crabcakes... that what I say....
memories, like the corner of my mind.... misty.... watercolored.....
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3135&highlight=Daisy+Dukes
July 2002?
He's been posting this same crap for most of a decade?
Quote from: swake on May 20, 2010, 12:06:36 PM
July 2002?
He's been posting this same crap for most of a decade?
Yep...my analogy for what OKC is going through right now?
"You can bronze a turd, but it's still a turd" (bronze=pro sports franchise, turd=OKC).
That is just incredible. Laramie, go home.
Quote from: swake on May 20, 2010, 12:06:36 PM
July 2002?
He's been posting this same crap for most of a decade?
To be fair.... so has a certain Mr. USRufnex..... it will be my 10th anniversary of posting at bigsoccer under "USRufnex" coming up July 15th.... trying to choose the right place for a gift registry...... 8)
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3135&highlight=Daisy+Dukes&page=6
Pg. 6 contains the climax of some pretty intense vintage non-soccer Tulsa downtown development arguments circa 2002...
...ending in this quote from yours truly.... SSS =
soccer
specific
stadium
QuoteIf I win the lotto someday, I'm gonna buy a stiff drink for the entire city of Tulsa in hopes that it kills the bug up their a$$es... and I'll use the rest to build a SSS on the fairgrounds.
Quote from: JeffM on May 21, 2010, 01:07:34 PM
To be fair.... so has a certain Mr. USRufnex..... it will be my 10th anniversary of posting at bigsoccer under "USRufnex" coming up July 15th.... trying to choose the right place for a gift registry...... 8)
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3135&highlight=Daisy+Dukes&page=6
Pg. 6 contains the climax of some pretty intense vintage non-soccer Tulsa downtown development arguments circa 2002...
...ending in this quote from yours truly.... SSS = soccer specific stadium
Hah! I knew you were a serial poster somewhere ;)
As much as I would like to see my two favorite cities progress and move on it doesn't mean I can't be critical.
When I lived in Tulsa I saw a city which was beautiful and appealing; however, I'm not seeing the progressive nature (inner Tulsa) as I see in OKC.
Does it mean that Tulsa isn't beautiful? No!
Does it mean I dislike Tulsa? No!
...And Mr. Swake--are you trying to stir up chit?
U.S. Rufnex and myself would love nothing better than to see Tulsa and Oklahoma City progress and we are proud of what we see happening. We are more state oriented. Is there room for improvement for both cities ? Always!
Yes!
Go home. Stop posting here. Troll.
Quote from: Floyd on May 23, 2010, 08:09:03 PM
Go home. Stop posting here. Troll.
Agreed.
OKC is a 'chit' hole..
LOL.
Quote from: dmoor82 on August 28, 2010, 07:29:34 AM
Sounds like your a troll in your own forum YOU CHIT HOLE! GET A LIFE YOU JEALOUS donkey TROLL!
Who's the troll? Replying to 3 month old post? Note that this forum says TULSANOW...not OKCNOW.
Please, scurry back to OKCtalk.
Quote from: dmoor82 on August 28, 2010, 08:52:56 PM
How's The WNBA buzz in Tulsa?is it electrifying or is it SHOCKING?LOL!I invite you to OKC to take a stroll thru Bricktown,watch The Devon Tower rise before you and then take in an NBA game or you could take in some Olympic rowing,canoeing,kayacking events on Boathouse row, this is just a few of things you can do!There has been about 5 billion $ investment in OKC since MAPS1 and OKC still has MAPS3(vote passed) projects to build!Sorry Tulsa your WNBA occupied arena with its "great concerts"and your nice DOUBLE A baseball stadium does NOT COMPARE to what is going on in OKC!YOU have NO let me repeat NO chance in hell of getting the olympics NO CHANCE of landing The NBA!Landing The NHL is a possibility in The future!
If you guys are doin' so well then why are you worried about us?
Go back to that turd of city. G'nite!