I do not know if he is really quitting, but this piece says it all. He is about the only one, from the inside, who tells it all... an excerpt so as not to upset Townie.
Truth Has Fallen and Taken Liberty With It
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts03242010.html
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
"There was a time when the pen was mightier than the sword. That was a time when people believed in truth and regarded truth as an independent power and not as an auxiliary for government, class, race, ideological, personal, or financial interest.
Today Americans are ruled by propaganda. Americans have little regard for truth, little access to it, and little ability to recognize it.
Truth is an unwelcome entity. It is disturbing. It is off limits. Those who speak it run the risk of being branded "anti-American," "anti-semite" or "conspiracy theorist."
Truth is an inconvenience for government and for the interest groups whose campaign contributions control government.
Truth is an inconvenience for prosecutors who want convictions, not the discovery of innocence or guilt.
Truth is inconvenient for ideologues.
Today many whose goal once was the discovery of truth are now paid handsomely to hide it. "Free market economists" are paid to sell offshoring to the American people. High-productivity, high value-added American jobs are denigrated as dirty, old industrial jobs. Relicts from long ago, we are best shed of them. Their place has been taken by "the New Economy," a mythical economy that allegedly consists of high-tech white collar jobs in which Americans innovate and finance activities that occur offshore. All Americans need in order to participate in this "new economy" are finance degrees from Ivy League universities, and then they will work on Wall Street at million dollar jobs. "
I would post an insightful comment here, but I didn't bother to read it.
Quote from: fotd on March 26, 2010, 01:01:21 PM
I do not know if he is really quitting, but this piece says it all. He is about the only one, from the inside, who tells it all... an excerpt so as not to upset Townie.
Truth Has Fallen and Taken Liberty With It
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts03242010.html
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
"There was a time when the pen was mightier than the sword. That was a time when people believed in truth and regarded truth as an independent power and not as an auxiliary for government, class, race, ideological, personal, or financial interest.
Today Americans are ruled by propaganda. Americans have little regard for truth, little access to it, and little ability to recognize it.
Truth is an unwelcome entity. It is disturbing. It is off limits. Those who speak it run the risk of being branded "anti-American," "anti-semite" or "conspiracy theorist."
Truth is an inconvenience for government and for the interest groups whose campaign contributions control government.
Truth is an inconvenience for prosecutors who want convictions, not the discovery of innocence or guilt.
Truth is inconvenient for ideologues.
Today many whose goal once was the discovery of truth are now paid handsomely to hide it. "Free market economists" are paid to sell offshoring to the American people. High-productivity, high value-added American jobs are denigrated as dirty, old industrial jobs. Relicts from long ago, we are best shed of them. Their place has been taken by "the New Economy," a mythical economy that allegedly consists of high-tech white collar jobs in which Americans innovate and finance activities that occur offshore. All Americans need in order to participate in this "new economy" are finance degrees from Ivy League universities, and then they will work on Wall Street at million dollar jobs. "
Jebus,
Now FOTD is a Truther?
I can't see through the smug.
(http://www.cackaloo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/smug2.jpg)
(http://www.markstivers.com/cartoons/Cartoons%202007/Stivers-11-4-07-Prius-drive.gif)
Quote from: swake on March 26, 2010, 01:15:47 PM
Jebus,
Now FOTD is a Truther?
I told y'all he was ... ahem ... erratic. ::)
I thought maybe POTUS Obama was resigning and taking Harry Reid with him.
Damn!
Don't comment if you haven't read the entire piece. I may seem erratic but at least I am honest.
Scottie, a "truther" would be a derogative connotation used to demonstrate one's disdain for a truth teller.
Quote from: fotd on March 26, 2010, 01:50:45 PM
Don't comment if you haven't read the entire piece. I may seem erratic but at least I am honest.
Scottie, a "truther" would be a derogative connotation used to demonstrate one's disdain for a truth teller.
I did. It doesn't change my opinion.
And you don't "seem" erratic. You
are erratic. Stable people don't do a freak-out on a public forum twice in a short time.
Quote from: fotd on March 26, 2010, 01:50:45 PM
Don't comment if you haven't read the entire piece. I may seem erratic but at least I am honest.
Scottie, a "truther" would be a derogative connotation used to demonstrate one's disdain for a truth teller.
You're as full of $hit as anyone in this town.......If not more so....
Quote from: rwarn17588 on March 26, 2010, 01:57:56 PM
I did. It doesn't change my opinion.
And you don't "seem" erratic. You are erratic. Stable people don't do a freak-out on a public forum twice in a short time.
LOL....penetrating one's privacy is rape.
I just love getting sucker punched by Bready.
Do you think I give a rats a$$ if people in Toxic Tulsa think I am full of $hit.
Stir it up...
Quote from: fotd on March 26, 2010, 02:07:42 PM
LOL....penetrating one's privacy is rape.
I just love getting sucker punched by Bready.
Do you think I give a rats a$$ if people in Toxic Tulsa think I am full of $hit.
Stir it up...
Here comes freak-out No. 3 ... ::)
Face it ... you've got as much credibility as shadows.
Quote from: fotd on March 26, 2010, 02:07:42 PM
LOL....penetrating one's privacy is rape.
I just love getting sucker punched by Bready.
Do you think I give a rats a$$ if people in Toxic Tulsa think I am full of $hit.
Stir it up...
Lets use this an an excellent example of the use of name calling and ridicule. In this thread you see that Mr. FOTD has opted to assign pet-names to other posters. By doing so he challenges the other posters to resort to the same tactic.
To invite other posters into the frey, he inserts a general insult by applying ridicule to the entire population of Tulsa.
Some posters are entertained, but others react with anger. This is Mr. FOTD's goal. The use of ridicule allows Mr. FOTD to pull discussions down to his level.
. . . And this is how political discussions turn into pudding fights. ::)
"Rape", "penetration", "insert"
Please use latex, y'all.
Quote from: fotd on March 26, 2010, 01:50:45 PM
Don't comment if you haven't read the entire piece. I may seem erratic but at least I am honest.
Scottie, a "truther" would be a derogative connotation used to demonstrate one's disdain for a truth teller.
I read it, and there's a corollary between the number of times the word truth is used and full of sh!tedness. And capitalizing the word "truth" in a sentence in a location other than at the start of the sentence is the mark of a con man. Your article is two for two.
Quote from: swake on March 26, 2010, 02:22:44 PM
I read it, and there's a corollary between the number of times the word truth is used and full of sh!tedness. And capitalizing the word "truth" in a sentence in a location other than at the start of the sentence is the mark of a con man. Your article is two for two.
Bravo! It's kinda like including "Honest" in the name of your company.
Never buy a car from "Honest Bob's."
You may have read it, but you didn't get it....didn't want to get it....never will get it. Do you have a problem with the truth or with integrity or with intelligence?
These fine posties who attack the messenger are examples of what draws so much good to this town! What a great place to look forward to leaving one day. A city of Republicans has a NO future....
Keep stirring...
Twist off is imminent...
Countdown is T-minus 18...
QuoteDo you have a problem with the truth or with integrity or with intelligence?
I think it's intelligence.
I find that intelligence is a demonstrated trait.
I don't really care how intelligent or honest or truthful you tell me you are (or anyone for that matter).
I am so dense that I have to judge you by your words and actions. It's one of my flaws.
There's some truth in that statement....
Quote from: fotd on March 26, 2010, 03:45:11 PM
There's some truth in that statement....
I figured you would agree. ::)
you're all about density....right? Or is it dense city? :D
Quote from: Conan71 on March 26, 2010, 01:49:31 PM
I thought maybe POTUS Obama was resigning and taking Harry Reid with him.
Damn!
Harry Reid really is a doofus and buffoon. Here is story about him voting "no" on health care reform a second time.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/26/reid.vote.gaffe/index.html
Yep, Palin's the idiot while this bozo does not even know how to vote.
Quote from: guido911 on March 26, 2010, 06:17:25 PM
Harry Reid really is a doofus and buffoon. Here is story about him voting "no" on health care reform a second time.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/26/reid.vote.gaffe/index.html
Yep, Palin's the idiot while this bozo does not even know how to vote.
Harry Reid's being an idiot does not disprove Palin also being an idiot.
Quote from: swake on March 26, 2010, 06:47:32 PM
Harry Reid's being an idiot does not disprove Palin also being an idiot.
Nope, but funny how no one talks about his idiocy yet they love ripping on Palin. Double-standard much?
Quote from: guido911 on March 26, 2010, 08:35:25 PM
Nope, but funny how no one talks about his idiocy yet they love ripping on Palin. Double-standard much?
Please see Swake's comment above.
Quote from: guido911 on March 26, 2010, 08:35:25 PM
Nope, but funny how no one talks about his idiocy yet they love ripping on Palin. Double-standard much?
Last time I checked, Harry Reid wasn't writing notes on his palm, nor did he ascribe to the notion that he could see Russia from his house.
Quote from: swake on March 26, 2010, 06:47:32 PM
Harry Reid's being an idiot does not disprove Palin also being an idiot.
Click the video of Palin smacking down a heckler:
http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2010/03/sarah-palin-tells-heckler-stick-around.html
Quote from: Hoss on March 26, 2010, 09:58:29 PM
Last time I checked, Harry Reid wasn't writing notes on his palm, nor did he ascribe to the notion that he could see Russia from his house.
And Harry knows that Africa is a continent, not a country.
Quote from: rwarn17588 on March 27, 2010, 05:37:53 PM
And Harry knows that Africa is a continent, not a country.
I always though Africa was one of those 57 states Obama visited. Here's a video of that idiot Palin speaking to 10,000 people in Nevada today.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003270027
Can you draw 10,000 people to hear you speak, oh genius one?
Quote from: guido911 on March 27, 2010, 06:04:12 PM
I always though Africa was one of those 57 states Obama visited. Here's a video of that idiot Palin speaking to 10,000 people in Nevada today.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003270027
Can you draw 10,000 people to hear you speak, oh genius one?
10,000 people will go to see a circus That's a fact.
;D
We had 6000 go see the quitter and Lonesome Rhodes here a couple of weeks ago. Doesn't mean they're intelligent. Business savvy? Maybe.
They are probably laughing all the way to the bank.
They probably own the bank. :D
Quote from: guido911 on March 27, 2010, 06:04:12 PM
I always though Africa was one of those 57 states Obama visited. Here's a video of that idiot Palin speaking to 10,000 people in Nevada today.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003270027
Can you draw 10,000 people to hear you speak, oh genius one?
A insult in every post. You are really just one bitter unhappy dude aren't you. It's more than a little sad.
It was a lot better on this board for that little while you and your mirror twin FOTD were on hiatus. Makes me really miss the ignore feature.
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 27, 2010, 06:55:35 PM
They are probably laughing all the way to the bank.
Since when does money equal intelligence? Never said anything about money.
Leave it up to a rightie to gauge the success of a person based on material wealth.
But, then again, I do live in Oklahoma.
Quote from: swake on March 27, 2010, 08:07:31 PM
A insult in every post. You are really just one bitter unhappy dude aren't you. It's more than a little sad.
It was a lot better on this board for that little while you and your mirror twin FOTD were on hiatus. Makes me really miss the ignore feature.
I don't. I love watching the yin and yang go at it.
On one hand you Gweed 'spawn of Beck' spewing republican/tea party talking points left and right. "If you ain't rich you ain't sh!t". Plus the fact that he's a alleged intelligent attorney (thank goodness I know what firm he works for so I can tell everyone I know not to use them if needed).
On the other hand you have FOTD/fotd/AOX professed pothead (nothing wrong with that) and his ultra-left leaning rhetoric. While he's a little abrasive and preachy at times, at least he doesn't go around telling people to "FO you POS" and the like.
Plus he doesn't go around flaunting his service to his country like it's some damned badge of honor to be used to demean those of us who either chose to serve in other ways or physically couldn't serve.
It's like a Tyson PPV except you don't have to pay for it.
Quote from: swake on March 27, 2010, 08:07:31 PM
A insult in every post. You are really just one bitter unhappy dude aren't you. It's more than a little sad.
It was a lot better on this board for that little while you and your mirror twin FOTD were on hiatus. Makes me really miss the ignore feature.
I am the happiest dude in the forum. But, after putting up with the drumbeat of Bush-bashing for years from many in this place, the shoe is on the other foot and folks can't stand getting it back at them. Sh!t, even Biden is still blaming Bush for problems with policy:
QuoteVPOTUS blamed the George W. Bush administration for any unpopularity the
current administration has suffered.
"We inherited a cynical republic, and I can't blame them," he said.
"Eight years of collapse, eight years of being misled about wars."
http://thepage.time.com/pool-report-biden-in-dallas-march-26-2010/
As for insults in "every" post, here are links to some of my recent posts. Where are the insults?
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=14797.15
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=15242.30
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=15182.0
Everybody should tone down the labeling of other posters.
Group hug everybody.
Quote from: Hoss on March 27, 2010, 08:08:47 PM
Since when does money equal intelligence? Never said anything about money.
Leave it up to a rightie to gauge the success of a person based on material wealth.
But, then again, I do live in Oklahoma.
Leave it to a leftie to read more into a post than is there.
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 28, 2010, 12:38:39 PM
Leave it to a leftie to read more into a post than is there.
Yeah, because 'lefties' have cornered the market on that.
::)
You want some disingenuous twisting of the truth?
Quote
A leading Republican predicted Sunday that President Obama's appointment of 15 officials while sidestepping Senate confirmation would make it more difficult to get bipartisan support for future legislation.
This, after McCain said
Quote
[T]here will be no cooperation for the rest of this year. They have poisoned the well in what they have done and how they have done it.
Quote from: nathanm on March 28, 2010, 04:01:55 PM
You want some disingenuous twisting of the truth?
This, after McCain said
It's kind of like two life terms for a murderer. If the first life term gets reduced, there is still another to go. If the Republicans have second thoughts about no cooperation, there is the second no cooperation sentence to be served. :D
Quote from: nathanm on March 28, 2010, 04:01:55 PM
You want some disingenuous twisting of the truth?
This, after McCain said
Bill Maher's New Rule: You Can't Use "There Will Be No Cooperation for the Rest of the Year" as a Threat If There Was No Cooperation in the First Half of the Yearhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-you-cant-use-the_b_515354.html
QuoteTwo months ago, conservative Fred Barnes wrote, "The health care bill is dead with not the slightest prospect of resurrection." Well, if it's dead, you just got your donkey kicked by a zombie named Nancy Pelosi. Seriously, the last time a Democrat showed balls like that John Edwards' girlfriend was filming it. Make all the botox jokes and she-shops-too-much jokes you want, but this is the biggest political victory a woman has ever achieved in America. Yes, Nancy Pelosi likes nice clothes. So does Sarah Palin. The difference is Nancy Pelosi pays for hers.
But even before the Democrats got to take a single victory lap they were already being warned not to get used to the feeling, and not to get drunk with power. I disagree. All you Democrats: do a shot, and then do another. Get drunk on this feeling of not backing down and doing what you came to Washington to do.
QuoteYes, Nancy Pelosi likes nice clothes. So does Sarah Palin. The difference is Nancy Pelosi pays for hers.
So Nancy Pelosi isn't as clever as Sarah Palin.
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 28, 2010, 10:29:23 PM
So Nancy Pelosi isn't as clever as Sarah Palin.
Yep, and last I checked, she wasn't a quitter. If quitter=clever, then Palin is.
You betcha.
Quote from: guido911 on March 26, 2010, 08:35:25 PM
Nope, but funny how no one talks about his idiocy yet they love ripping on Palin. Double-standard much?
Double standards?
Yep.
A bi-partisan health insurance reform bill just passed Congress with only partisan support.
Some Republicans should have been able to vote for it, since it ended up much closer to Romneycare and/or the '90s-style Bob Dole compromise to Hillarycare than it ever was to the healthcare position Obama campaigned on. The Obama administration compromised very early on the individual mandate, so I guess Hillary supporters can say, "I told you so..." -- oh well, at least Obama didn't hire Dick Morris to "triangulate" his change of heart...
I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney....
And I didn't want an individual mandate for all those 20-somethings typically too broke and too busy getting their lives started, the young healthy people who traditionally opt-out of private health insurance.
But:
---This new law is not going to establish single-payer, so it is not "socialized medicine."
---This new law does not mandate a "managed care" system of regional HMO's, so you can't accuse it of being a "governement takeover" of healthcare.
---This new law won't have Sen. Johnny Isakson's provisions for end-of-life planning (thanks to the misleading rantings and outright lies of Sarah Palin and Chuck Grassley), so you can't accuse it of establishing "death panels."
http://www.examiner.com/x-5890-Obama-Administration-Examiner~y2009m8d14-GOP-provision-for-end-of-life-counseling-dropped-from-health-care-reform
---This new law will not have a "public option" or any "medicare for all" provisions, so republicans who have favored individual mandates in the past should be able to support it....
Health bill included big Republican idea: individual mandatehttp://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100324/pl_mcclatchy/3460142
Quote"The truth is this is a Republican idea," said Linda Quick , president of the South Florida Hospital and Health care Association. She said she first heard the concept of the "individual mandate" in a Miami speech in the early 1990s by Sen. John McCain , a conservative Republican from Arizona , to counter the "Hillarycare" the Clintons were proposing.
McCain did not embrace the concept during his 2008 election campaign, but other leading Republicans did, including Tommy Thompson , secretary of Health and Human Services under President George W. Bush .
Seeking to deradicalize the idea during a symposium in Orlando in September 2008 , Thompson said, "Just like people are required to have car insurance, they could be required to have health insurance."
Among the other Republicans who had embraced the idea was Mitt Romney , who as governor of Massachusetts crafted a huge reform by requiring almost all citizens to have coverage.
"Some of my libertarian friends balk at what looks like an individual mandate," Romney wrote in The Wall Street Journal in 2006. "But remember, someone has to pay for the health care that must, by law, be provided: Either the individual pays or the taxpayers pay. A free ride on government is not libertarian."
Romney was referring to the federal law that requires everyone to be treated in emergency rooms, regardless of their ability to pay.
Double standards? You betcha. ::)
Quote from: Hoss on March 28, 2010, 11:01:18 PM
Yep, and last I checked, she wasn't a quitter. If quitter=clever, then Palin is.
You betcha.
What does having someone else buy your clothes have to do with resigning from office?
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 28, 2010, 11:26:17 PM
What does having someone else buy your clothes have to do with resigning from office?
The word was clever. I used quitter as a comparison to our current Speaker of the House. Who worked pretty hard this last year.
Unlike the quitter.
Get the correlation now?
Quote from: Hoss on March 28, 2010, 11:32:10 PM
The word was clever. I used quitter as a comparison to our current Speaker of the House. Who worked pretty hard this last year.
Unlike the quitter.
Get the correlation now?
I disagree with the correlation. Someone can work hard and accomplish things without being clever.
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 28, 2010, 11:35:09 PM
I disagree with the correlation. Someone can work hard and accomplish things without being clever.
We'll agree to disagree then. You can accomplish simple things without being clever. To accomplish great things, it's a requirement.
Quote from: Hoss on March 29, 2010, 12:38:43 AM
We'll agree to disagree then. You can accomplish simple things without being clever. To accomplish great things, it's a requirement.
And we will also have to disagree on whether what N. P. has accomplished is great or merely big.
(Great in this case meaning excellent, not just large.)
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 28, 2010, 10:29:23 PM
So Nancy Pelosi isn't as clever as Sarah Palin.
At least Sarah Palin isn't flying around in private jets on the tax-payer nickle. (sorry couldn't figure out the original source quote RA)
Quote from: Conan71 on March 29, 2010, 08:28:17 AM
At least Sarah Palin isn't flying around in private jets on the tax-payer nickle. (sorry couldn't figure out the original source quote RA)
Not like most reps don't do this
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/nancy-pelosis-personal-jet/
Quote from: Conan71 on March 29, 2010, 08:28:17 AM
At least Sarah Palin isn't flying around in private jets on the tax-payer nickle. (sorry couldn't figure out the original source quote RA)
No, she's flying around on the Teabaggers' nickel, and making a lot of nickels for herself in the process.
She's selling fear and business is good.
Quote from: swake on March 29, 2010, 08:52:06 AM
She's selling fear and business is good.
Ugh, and on the national news all the time, that shrill voice saying the craziest crap to the craziest crap believers.
Seriously, what is the republican party going to represent in the next few years?
Her speech reminded me of a scene from Omen III but worse acted and crazier mantras.