I told everyone here a year ago that the GOP leadership needed to step forward and make a stand against the hate rhetoric, the visceral attitudes, and the bigotry within their ranks as true leadership in a civil society are required to do. The intimidation party can't win with that methodology.
The death threats and hate calls against US Congressmen and women is unpalatable.
House Democrats Face Violent Threats After Health Care Votehttp://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-democrats-face-violent-threats-health-care-vote/story?id=10193618
Just remember, only the other party is full of nucking futjobs.
Just like the South Park Hypothesis that conspiracy theories exist because 20% of people are morons, people want to hate, oppose and support things for no rational reason whatsoever. It wasn't that many years ago that there was huge backlash against Disney for providing same-sex benefits but I knew plenty of people (from the 20% bracket) who jumped on the bandwagon because they had their own nutjob conspiracies (evil talking animals, etc)
Unfortunately the people with legitimate ideas and concerns always like having number behind them so they let whoever is willing to stand with them, stand with them. Libertarians begat Tea Parties which attracted nutjobs and thus we have Tea Baggers and bricks thrown through windows.
The result is that while a few people had the idea they were gonna do something like this:
(http://mutantpoodle.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/121607-boston-tea-party.jpg)
They ended up more like this:
(http://colleenincairns.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/mad20hatter20tea20party.jpg)
Rep. Eric Cantor's office shot at:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/rep-cantors-richmond-campaign-office-shot-overnight/
but...but...but...he's a republican.
This is all contrived distraction.
Only one of the "10" Dems claiming to have received threatening messages has released evidence to the FBI (ol Bart), and that threat was more angry than threatening.
We've seen this in the past from them. Smokescreen.
There will be more claims, until someone gets caught "burning their own church."
Another Alinsky tactic. . . to divert attention from yourself so you can continue your agenda while everyone else is reacting to your diversion.
Meanwhile large companies like Medtronic, Verizon, and Caterpillar are announcing that the bill will cost them hundreds of millions the first year and layoffs are imminent as a result.
I especially like Pelosi's statement "We don't want these actions to be a diversion."
Don't look at the mole.
(http://juvenation.org/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00.00.00.86.58/mole.jpg)
Quote from: Gaspar on March 25, 2010, 12:38:30 PM
Meanwhile large companies like Medtronic, Verizon, and Caterpillar are announcing that the bill will cost them hundreds of millions the first year and layoffs are imminent as a result.
That is an absolute lie. More regulation, mandates, and higher taxes leads to job creation, not layoffs. Have you ever even RUN a business, Gaspar?!?!
Quote from: Conan71 on March 25, 2010, 12:40:50 PM
That is an absolute lie. More regulation, mandates, and higher taxes leads to job creation, not layoffs. Have you ever even RUN a business, Gaspar?!?!
Oh! You're right. How foolish of me.
I suppose I need reprogramming. Where is the nearest reprogramming center?
Quote from: Gaspar on March 25, 2010, 12:45:12 PM
Oh! You're right. How foolish of me.
I suppose I need reprogramming. Where is the nearest reprogramming center?
90 7th Street, Suite 2-800, San Francisco, California 94103
Or call the hotline:
415-556-4862
Free Marshall's to the first one who figures that one out.
Deere to take $150M hit:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/36032946/
Quote from: Conan71 on March 25, 2010, 12:48:49 PM
90 7th Street, Suite 2-800, San Francisco, California 94103
Or call the hotline:
415-556-4862
Free Marshall's to the first one who figures that one out.
Pelosi's office
Quote from: Conan71 on March 25, 2010, 12:40:50 PM
That is an absolute lie. More regulation, mandates, and higher taxes leads to job creation, not layoffs. Have you ever even RUN a business, Gaspar?!?!
Yes. It is an absolute lie. Very good TNF'er!
Quote from: swake on March 25, 2010, 01:16:52 PM
Pelosi's office
One Marshall's coming up. Name your time/place (non-smoking only, please) Swake. I'll even keep my yapper shut on politics, at least for the first three or four, no guarantees after that ;)
Quote from: Conan71 on March 25, 2010, 12:48:49 PM
90 7th Street, Suite 2-800, San Francisco, California 94103
Or call the hotline:
415-556-4862
Free Marshall's to the first one who figures that one out.
I keep getting a busy signal???
Quote from: Conan71 on March 25, 2010, 01:28:25 PM
One Marshall's coming up. Name your time/place (non-smoking only, please) Swake. I'll even keep my yapper shut on politics, at least for the first three or four, no guarantees after that ;)
I will have to take you up on that sometime. And no need to keep your yapper shut.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 25, 2010, 01:28:25 PM
One Marshall's coming up ... at least for the first three or four, no guarantees after that ;)
I would have tried harder if I had known there could be more than one Marshall's
Quote from: Gaspar on March 25, 2010, 01:44:18 PM
I keep getting a busy signal???
Try now.
I just got off the phone with her and all she'd keep saying was "Who is this? Who is this? why are you doing that? Stop breathing like that. You're a disgusting and vile human being and you shouldn't make calls like this." over and over.
It was unproductive.
We need a TNF happy hour again soon. I was going to recommend somewhere out south to accomodate those who live and work that way. I know we do all we can to promote mid and downtown, but it's nice to do it elsewhere every now and then.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 25, 2010, 02:20:35 PM
We need a TNF happy hour again soon. I was going to recommend somewhere out south to accomodate those who live and work that way. I know we do all we can to promote mid and downtown, but it's nice to do it elsewhere every now and then.
Louie's has Marshall's.
On 101st or by the lighthouse in Jenks? Just so long as we don't have to sit in the bar area at the one in Jenks I'm okay. I'm on a smoking rampage lately, sorry guys/gals. I've been resisting the urge to shove hot burning cig... never mind.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 25, 2010, 02:42:14 PM
On 101st or by the lighthouse in Jenks? Just so long as we don't have to sit in the bar area at the one in Jenks I'm okay. I'm on a smoking rampage lately, sorry guys/gals. I've been resisting the urge to shove hot burning cig... never mind.
Pro-smoking or anti-smoking.
I don't want to smell like a cigarette when I get home.
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 25, 2010, 02:49:13 PM
Pro-smoking or anti-smoking.
I don't want to smell like a cigarette when I get home.
Anti....BIG TIME
There is a Louie's in Tulsa at 101st and Sheridan
Favorite wing joint at Wing Run at 81st & Sheridan
SoCo's at 81st and Harvard just renovated (food + cover charge?)
http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/article.aspx?subjectid=207&articleid=20100325_274_ES8_Werece317612
And there is always Twin Peaks.
Quote from: sgrizzle on March 25, 2010, 02:58:21 PM
SoCo's at 81st and Harvard just renovated (food + cover charge?)
What the? I'm too old to pay a cover charge. I was going to go there tomorrow night but that just placed it into my pass list.
South Tulsa, cover band, cover charge...guess I'll look for my old man bar downtown.
Quote from: Townsend on March 25, 2010, 03:10:06 PM
What the? I'm too old to pay a cover charge. I was going to go there tomorrow night but that just placed it into my pass list.
South Tulsa, cover band, cover charge...guess I'll look for my old man bar downtown.
I didn't know anyone charged a cover any more.
Quote from: Townsend on March 25, 2010, 03:10:06 PM
What the? I'm too old to pay a cover charge. I was going to go there tomorrow night but that just placed it into my pass list.
South Tulsa, cover band, cover charge...guess I'll look for my old man bar downtown.
I don't go to places with cover charges.
I'm OK with a minimum charge if they have live entertainment. Buy a couple dollars worth of tickets which are redeemable dollar for dollar in food/drink. I first saw that in Lancaster, PA in the 70s visiting the home town of a college friend.
Back on subject. . .
Told you so. This just out moments ago. Obama 2012 campaign uses alleged threats as fundraising kickoff.
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:10:42 -0400
From:
info@barackobama.com
Subject: Urgent -- we need to act
Friend --
We knew that power concedes nothing. So did President Obama. So did the members of Congress who courageously voted for reform, knowing that the special interests and the extreme right wing would retaliate swiftly.
The attacks are fierce. Deceptive ads are hitting the airwaves in swing districts. GOP lawmakers are pushing to repeal reform -- and preventing the Senate from performing basic functions. A few Republican attorneys general have launched a baseless attack to overturn the legislation. But that's not even the worst of it.
A conservative blogger posted the home address of Congressman Tom Perriello, urging tea partiers to "drop by." Other members have had death threats. Democratic offices have been vandalized.
Please chip in $5 or more to defend health reform -- and those in Congress who fought to make it possible.Showing support for reform and those who fought for it is our number one priority right now. We're going all-out, organizing grassroots events around the country, running supportive ads on the air, and making sure that every American knows the truth about the historic legislation that representatives voted into law.
Members of Congress know that reform would not have passed without all of your incredible work. But we also know that it would not have passed without their courage.
Together, along with President Obama, we beat the insurance companies and brought affordable coverage to 32 million without it, reduced costs for families and small businesses, and created the toughest patient protections in history.
A few weeks ago, we made a simple promise to these representatives: You fight for health reform, we'll fight for you. It's time to hold up our end of the deal.
Please donate $5 or more:https://donate.barackobama.com/DefendThanks,
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I love it.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
(http://1conservativemomma.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/rahm_emanuel1.jpg)
Yes, you people need as many happy hours as possible to offset those blues.
Lookie! Another obstructionist maneuver that won't hold: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100325/ap_on_bi_ge/us_unemployment_benefits
Market dropped 100 points on this irrational tactic.
Republican anger 101.
Quote from: Gaspar on March 25, 2010, 03:22:25 PM
Together, along with President Obama, we beat the insurance companies and brought affordable coverage to 32 million without it, reduced costs for families and small businesses, and created the toughest patient protections in history.
Wow, now there's a bald-faced one...
Not everyone is angry.
Cuban revolutionary leader Fidel Castro on Thursday declared passage of American health care reform "a miracle" and a major victory for Obama's presidency, but couldn't help chide the United States for taking so long to enact what communist Cuba achieved decades ago.
"We consider health reform to have been an important battle and a success of his (Obama's) government," Castro wrote in an essay published in state media, adding that it would strengthen the president's hand against lobbyists and "mercenaries."
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2694/4463374034_6b7fbe4384_o.jpg)
When I see the term "state media" I get confused now.
MSNBC?
al jazeera?
Cubanos en Suecia?
or CNN?
Is CNN still on the air?
When Castro is gone you think America should just let Cuba go further down that road or should we reach out into the future? Are you capable of looking forward?
State run media? Don't recall this line when your boy was wiping his hands on the White House curtains.
Glad you're back. ;D
I wonder what Clinton was wiping on the White House curtains?
BTW that video made my day!
Quote from: Gaspar on March 25, 2010, 04:15:04 PM
I wonder what Clinton was wiping on the White House curtains?
Okay, that was hilarious
and repulsive.
Quote from: guido911 on March 25, 2010, 11:45:56 AM
Rep. Eric Cantor's office shot at:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/rep-cantors-richmond-campaign-office-shot-overnight/
but...but...but...he's a republican.
For the record, police say the bullet was random:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=12203709
You really think they would be saying this was random if it was a Dims office, Pup?
Quote from: Conan71 on March 25, 2010, 07:50:27 PM
You really think they would be saying this was random if it was a Dims office, Pup?
The Richmond police are saying it was random by the way the bullet entered the office. It was obvious the gun was pointed into the air when originally fired and not aimed at the office. In fact, it didn't hit Cantor's office at all, but a window in the same building. It is Virginia after all. It's not like people shooting guns is uncommon there.
Anyway, its pretty obvious what Cantor was trying to do with his speech this morning.
Unless of course the police are involved in some type of 'political ploy' conspiracy.....
Are you serious? Liberal thugs are shooting random bullets at Republicans?
I wonder if it came from a random gun?
Where's Cheney?
A liberal's version of fair and balanced?
I figured it out.
Since all guns are conservative, the random bullet must have come from a conservative gun.
This is simply a case of more Republican violence. . . against another Republican!
People don't commit violins violence, guns do.
Must have been a rogue liberal bullet.
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 26, 2010, 08:02:04 AM
People don't commit violins violence, guns do.
Must have been a rogue liberal bullet.
I hope the SUVs don't hear about this.
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 25, 2010, 03:19:25 PM
I don't go to places with cover charges.
I'm OK with a minimum charge if they have live entertainment. Buy a couple dollars worth of tickets which are redeemable dollar for dollar in food/drink. I first saw that in Lancaster, PA in the 70s visiting the home town of a college friend.
The TulsaWorld article seemed quite confused that they were charging a cover.
Quote from: Gaspar on March 26, 2010, 07:32:36 AM
Are you serious? Liberal thugs are shooting random bullets at Republicans?
I wonder if it came from a random gun?
Where's Cheney?
"To Everything (spin, spin, spin)
There is a season (spin, spin, spin)
And a time to every purpose, under Heaven"
Those poor libruls getting death threats. I promise if Cantor was a Dim this would be tea partiers responsible.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 26, 2010, 09:55:12 AM
Those poor libruls getting death threats. I promise if Cantor was a Dim this would be tea partiers responsible.
Soooo, are you advocating violence? Not quite sure I understand what you are trying to say.
The only one spinning is Cantor by blatantly lying about what happened to try and somehow even the playing ground by showing the other side could show violent behavior as well, which clearly was not the case. He wasn't targeted at all, but nice try.
Quote from: Gaspar on March 26, 2010, 07:32:36 AM
Are you serious? Liberal thugs are shooting random bullets at Republicans?
I wonder if it came from a random gun?
Where's Cheney?
Are you serious? I certainly hope not...
I was being sarcastic with the conspiracy part.
Quote from: azbadpuppy on March 26, 2010, 10:38:42 AM
Soooo, are you advocating violence? Not quite sure I understand what you are trying to say.
The only one spinning is Cantor by blatantly lying about what happened to try and somehow even the playing ground by showing the other side could show violent behavior as well, which clearly was not the case. He wasn't targeted at all, but nice try.
Pup, I'm not a violence advocate, wrong read on my words. Cantor apparently
has recieved threats as well. Can you prove he's lying and the Dims who have supposedly been threatened aren't? It's political theater. Also, who has provided proof that it's Tea Party followers or members who have supposedly been making threats? I think that's more generalization than reality.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2825460/republican_eric_cantor_threatened_office.html
"Republican Eric Cantor Threatened, Office Window Shot Out
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Inconveniently for those people who are trying to construct the narrative of rabid tea party people threatening Democratic Congressmen, Republican House Whip Eric Cantor announced at a press conference that he too is being threatened.
According to Right Scoop:
"Eric Cantor just held a press conference to address the threats and violence that have been made against him. After announcing that someone shot a bullet through his campaign office, he quickly condemned not only those who are committing the acts of violence but also those who would use it for political gains. He specifically called out DNC Chairman Tim Kaine and DCCC Chris Van Holland for fanning the flames of violence."
The takeaway from this incident is that any contentious issue is going to bring out the nuts, who will act out against anyone, no matter of what political persuasion. There is no cabal of fanatical tea party members plotting to kill members of Congress for voting for health care reform. Anyone who says so is, as Rep. Cantor suggests, inciting violence themselves.
Mike Pence, another prominent House Republican, also spoke up to condemn threats of violence, but also cautioned his Democratic colleagues as well as members of the media to stop trying to smear the opposition to health care reform.
Victor Davis Hanson, writing for the National Review, was even more blunt, blaming the lack of decorum in political debate squarely on the Left:
"
Like it or not, between 2001 and 2008, the 'progressive' community redefined what is acceptable and not acceptable in political and public discourse about their elected officials. Slurs like 'Nazi' and 'fascist' and 'I hate' were no longer the old street-theater derangement of the 1960s, but were elevated to high-society novels, films, political journalism, and vein-bulging outbursts of our elites. If one were to take the word 'Bush' and replace it with 'Obama' in the work of a Nicholson Baker, or director Gabriel Range, or Garrison Keillor or Jonathan Chait, or in the rhetoric of a Gore or Moore, we would be presently in a national crisis, witnessing summits on the epidemic of 'hate speech.'"
Quote from: Conan71 on March 26, 2010, 10:58:51 AM
Pup, I'm not a violence advocate, wrong read on my words. Cantor apparently has recieved threats as well. Can you prove he's lying and the Dims who have supposedly been threatened aren't? It's political theater. Also, who has provided proof that it's Tea Party followers or members who have supposedly been making threats? I think that's more generalization than reality.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2825460/republican_eric_cantor_threatened_office.html
"Republican Eric Cantor Threatened, Office Window Shot Out
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Mark Whittington
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Inconveniently for those people who are trying to construct the narrative of rabid tea party people threatening Democratic Congressmen, Republican House Whip Eric Cantor announced at a press conference that he too is being threatened.
According to Right Scoop:
"Eric Cantor just held a press conference to address the threats and violence that have been made against him. After announcing that someone shot a bullet through his campaign office, he quickly condemned not only those who are committing the acts of violence but also those who would use it for political gains. He specifically called out DNC Chairman Tim Kaine and DCCC Chris Van Holland for fanning the flames of violence."
The takeaway from this incident is that any contentious issue is going to bring out the nuts, who will act out against anyone, no matter of what political persuasion. There is no cabal of fanatical tea party members plotting to kill members of Congress for voting for health care reform. Anyone who says so is, as Rep. Cantor suggests, inciting violence themselves.
Mike Pence, another prominent House Republican, also spoke up to condemn threats of violence, but also cautioned his Democratic colleagues as well as members of the media to stop trying to smear the opposition to health care reform.
Victor Davis Hanson, writing for the National Review, was even more blunt, blaming the lack of decorum in political debate squarely on the Left:
"Like it or not, between 2001 and 2008, the 'progressive' community redefined what is acceptable and not acceptable in political and public discourse about their elected officials. Slurs like 'Nazi' and 'fascist' and 'I hate' were no longer the old street-theater derangement of the 1960s, but were elevated to high-society novels, films, political journalism, and vein-bulging outbursts of our elites. If one were to take the word 'Bush' and replace it with 'Obama' in the work of a Nicholson Baker, or director Gabriel Range, or Garrison Keillor or Jonathan Chait, or in the rhetoric of a Gore or Moore, we would be presently in a national crisis, witnessing summits on the epidemic of 'hate speech.'"
I get your point, but I think you're missing the forest for the trees. He's already been proven a liar in this case, or at the very least, he jumped the gun in accusing the other side of an act of violence. He was not threatened. The police and investigators already proved that.
Cantor has been threatened in the past, and by his own admission, was mainly due to his Jewish faith. There is no
evidence that he was threatened in any way as it relates to this current situation.
It is very obvious that this was an attempt to try and even the playing field so to speak.
The recent
real acts of violence against Democratic lawmakers speak for themselves. The fact that very few on the right have spoken out and condemned them, and in fact many have come out and suggested they were fabricated, speaks volumes.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 26, 2010, 10:58:51 AM
"Republican Eric Cantor Threatened, Office Window Shot Out
Unfortunate nobody bothered to read the police report regarding Cantor's window. Turns out the bullet wasn't actually aimed at his building. Some dimwit fired a gun into the air (you know, nearly straight up) nearby and it happened to fall into Cantor's window. The bullet ended up between the glass and the window blinds.
I don't blame him for reporting it how he did. Prior to the investigation, there would have been no way to know the bullet had a downward trajectory, although perhaps the fact it didn't make it through the window blinds might have been a clue. Either way, given the vandalism and threats against some Democrats lately, it's an easy conclusion to jump to.
Let us know how you feel if you hear a gunshot and your window breaks shortly thereafter. Investigation results won't take away the initial reaction.
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 26, 2010, 10:59:34 PM
Let us know how you feel if you hear a gunshot and your window breaks shortly thereafter. Investigation results won't take away the initial reaction.
Which is why I wrote
"I don't blame him for reporting it how he did ... there [was] no way to know the bullet had a downward trajectory." Given the previously ongoing spate of political vandalism, it wasn't exactly a big leap for him to draw the conclusion he did initially.
My concern is that the facts be used in the future, rather than the initial speculation.
The fact of the matter is, that at this point, there is no recent confirmed act of vandalism targeted at Republican offices and there has been a pattern of vandalism targeted at Democrats. I don't blame the Republicans for what the loons do. I do place some blame upon those whose inflammatory rhetoric reinforces the mindset of that lunatic fringe, but obviously the vast majority of the blame should lie squarely on the shoulders of those who are committing political violence. (some might call that terrorism)
More than anything, it concerns me.
A citation supporting my conclusion: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/26/bullet-struck-cantors-office-appears-randomly-fired/
The immediate reaction is that it's a bunch of Republicans or Tea Party members responsible. Have they sent out letters taking responsibility as a group? How do we know these aren't lone anarchists, inds, or dems?
Quote from: Conan71 on March 27, 2010, 10:07:53 AM
The immediate reaction is that it's a bunch of Republicans or Tea Party members responsible. Have they sent out letters taking responsibility as a group? How do we know these aren't lone anarchists, inds, or dems?
Last I checked, the main group threatening violence were self-proclaimed tea baggers. In the case of the fellow with the cut propane line, said vandalism occurred shortly after a teabagger posted the guy's address on his website, which is targeted at teabaggers. That's not proof by any means, but I think it rises to the level of reasonable suspicion.
It would be nice to see whoever is doing this stuff arrested. I don't care who they are, political violence is completely unacceptable.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 27, 2010, 10:07:53 AM
The immediate reaction is that it's a bunch of Republicans or Tea Party members responsible. Have they sent out letters taking responsibility as a group? How do we know these aren't lone anarchists, inds, or dems?
You betcha not...
Bill Maher said last night the Republican party has shrunk and exists only in small regions of our country....so true. This is it's proud crapitol.
Quote from: fotd on March 27, 2010, 02:50:13 PM
Bill Maher said last night the Republican party has shrunk and exists only in small regions of our country....so true. This is it's proud crapitol.
Oh well if BILL MAHER says something then it must be true. I wonder how far up his own a$$ his head was during the Massachusetts, Virgina, and New Jersey repub pickups in the past several months. Oh I get it now, those small regions in the country he was referring were THOSE areas.
The face of fotd's political lighthouse:
(http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/wp-content/uploads/bill_maher.jpg)
FAIL.
On the topic of fanning hate, here are some Harry Reid supporters throwing eggs and issuing threats to tea party-related folks:
New Rule: You Can't Use "There Will Be No Cooperation for the Rest of the Year" as a Threat If There Was No Cooperation in the First Half of the Year
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-you-cant-use-the_b_515354.html
"Democrats in America were put on earth to do one thing: drag the ignorant hillbilly half of this country into the next century, which in their case is the 19th -- and by passing health care, the Democrats saved their brand. A few months ago, Sarah Palin mockingly asked them, "How's that hopey-changey thing working out for ya?" Great, actually. Thanks for asking. And how's that whole Hooked on Phonics thing working out for you?"