I am very thankful that the Kaiser family helped shape the riverparks into what it is today. As a runner who frequents the parks, I've noticed that the changes have drawn people into the parks like never before. And with the large number of users comes growing pains. The 41st street parking lot is almost always full. The 31st street parking lot is usually the next alternative and because of this, it too is starting to become completely filled during peak hours. I think the riverparks would have more users if there were more parking available. But as I've learned, more surface parking is always looked down upon, especially in Tulsa (otherwise I would've suggested turning the NE and SE street corners of 41st and Riverside into more parking).
As I was at the park yesterday and had to resort to parking in the apartment parking lot across the street, I had an idea of using the streets themselves as a parking solution. Why not widen 31st and 41st streets from Peoria to Riverside with parking along either one side (using the other side for a bike lane) or both? When I was in Boulder, I noticed that some of the overflow parking for nearby parks and the Pearl Street area would end up in the surrounding neighborhoods which had the street accommodations for this. It would add to the walkability of the area.
They are adding parking at 21st for the new restaurant but I would like to see more lots on the east side of the road. As far as on-road parking, I believe there needs to be some sort of physical barrier between the parking and the passing traffic, like the small parking area by the pedestrian bridge.
Quote from: sgrizzle on March 20, 2010, 06:27:10 PM
They are adding parking at 21st for the new restaurant but I would like to see more lots on the east side of the road. As far as on-road parking, I believe there needs to be some sort of physical barrier between the parking and the passing traffic, like the small parking area by the pedestrian bridge.
Take, for example, 41st Street between Riverside and Peoria. They could put in some protected parking areas (similar to those along Peoria Ave. in Brookside). It would protect parked cars and provide streetscaping opportunities. I love it! The Brookside area is used to cars parked along the side of the street so it would be nothing new for drivers in the area. Maybe my Boulder fanboy is starting to come out...
I have long been a supporter of more parking at RiverParks. It's a problem, I heard the parking lot at 31st is not very safe and cars have been broken into there, you do see busted car window glass on the parking lot pavement there. I always liked to park near the Jenks bridge at 101st street across from the QT store on the far south end but with all the trail work and bottle necks on Riverside drive street it's a hassle driving all the way down there. I always liked to Run from the Jenks bridge lot north up to I-44 and back, lately I have been just getting to the 41st street playground lot early before all the crowds arrive to do my running. I also wish they would put up some good mile markers on the trail. Last week they closed parts of the Creek Jogging Trail I dunno if it's still closed or not. :-X
Quote from: sauerkraut on March 21, 2010, 01:51:06 PM
I have long been a supporter of more parking at RiverParks. It's a problem, I heard the parking lot at 31st is not very safe and cars have been broken into there, you do see busted car window glass on the parking lot pavement there. I always liked to park near the Jenks bridge at 101st street across from the QT store on the far south end but with all the trail work and bottle necks on Riverside drive street it's a hassle driving all the way down there. I always liked to Run from the Jenks bridge lot north up to I-44 and back, lately I have been just getting to the 41st street playground lot early before all the crowds arrive to do my running. I also wish they would put up some good mile markers on the trail. Last week they closed parts of the Creek Jogging Trail I dunno if it's still closed or not. :-X
Cars get broken to all over the city. If you see glass on the ground, my guess would be Shiner, not Chevy.
Quote from: sgrizzle on March 21, 2010, 02:04:51 PM
Cars get broken to all over the city. If you see glass on the ground, my guess would be Shiner, not Chevy.
Yes, I've had my car broken into more times in South Tulsa than in Midtown or Downtown, or even in North Tulsa.
Quote from: sauerkraut on March 21, 2010, 01:51:06 PM
It's a problem, I heard the parking lot at 31st is not very safe and cars have been broken into there, you do see busted car window glass on the parking lot pavement there.
I parked a Porsche in that lot - and the ones at 21st and 41st - several times a week for a couple of years and it was never touched.
Quote from: sgrizzle on March 21, 2010, 02:04:51 PM
If you see glass on the ground, my guess would be Shiner, not Chevy.
I think Shiner comes in brown bottles. Probably Miller or Corona but your point is taken.
Quote from: TURobY on March 21, 2010, 02:13:57 PM
Yes, I've had my car broken into more times in South Tulsa than in Midtown or Downtown, or even in North Tulsa.
Just curious, what percentage of time does your car sit exposed to bad guys in each area?
My car has never been broken into in North Tulsa, but then I hardly ever go there.
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 21, 2010, 02:27:49 PM
Just curious, what percentage of time does your car sit exposed to bad guys in each area?
My car has never been broken into in North Tulsa, but then I hardly ever go there.
I live in midtown near Kendall-Whittier, so there are plenty of opportunities. I'm in North Tulsa (TCC north campus) about twice a month for a couple hours for various events. I used to work South Tulsa, (near 71st and Lewis) where my car was broken into twice within a one month period during working hours. It was also broken into at 61st and Peoria. Never had it broken into in West Tulsa (but I don't spend any time there). Only once was my car hit in East Tulsa (I grew up there, and had my windshield shot at once with a B.B. gun back when there was a rash of B.B. shootings. Since I do theatre, I'm downtown on a nightly basis at either Theatre Tulsa or the PAC. Additionally, I party downtown at least 2x a week. I've never had any issues there.
Quote from: sauerkraut on March 21, 2010, 01:51:06 PM
I have long been a supporter of more parking at RiverParks. It's a problem, I heard the parking lot at 31st is not very safe and cars have been broken into there, you do see busted car window glass on the parking lot pavement there. I always liked to park near the Jenks bridge at 101st street across from the QT store on the far south end but with all the trail work and bottle necks on Riverside drive street it's a hassle driving all the way down there. I always liked to Run from the Jenks bridge lot north up to I-44 and back, lately I have been just getting to the 41st street playground lot early before all the crowds arrive to do my running. I also wish they would put up some good mile markers on the trail. Last week they closed parts of the Creek Jogging Trail I dunno if it's still closed or not. :-X
If you've noticed, they've put in round mile markers into the pavement. I usually frequent the 41st and 31st street areas and can only vouch for the mile markers being here. South of 41st, I'm not sure.
I leave nothing in view which would create any interest for someone to break into my truck, and I've parked it all over town including leaving it overnight in downtown several times. I also still have the stock factory stereo.
Most stories I hear of people getting cars broken into involve getting their Garmin, iPod, iPhone, Crackberry, radar detector, lap top, etc. stolen. Not to say that some cars don't get broken into at random and searched under the seats or glovebox. I just find it interesting that (knock on wood) I've not had a problem with this and when I do hear of car break in's it's something specific which gets stolen. The only broken glass I've ever replaced in a car was a back glass panel which I think was a random act of vandalism in the driveway of a house I used to own about 1/2 block north of Byrd Jr. High.
As far as parking goes, if you are going to jog or bike and not simply to enjoy a specific park area at Riverparks like QT park, 21st, or the Jenks bridge park, there is a ton of parking in the Riverwest Festival grounds parking lot and across the street from there on Jackson. In fact, if you are going to go loop the trail anyhow, I'm sure someone who wants to just use the park at 41st would appreciate if you would take advantage of the parking over on the west bank.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 22, 2010, 09:05:27 AM
As far as parking goes, if you are going to jog or bike and not simply to enjoy a specific park area at Riverparks like QT park, 21st, or the Jenks bridge park, there is a ton of parking in the Riverwest Festival grounds parking lot and across the street from there on Jackson. In fact, if you are going to go loop the trail anyhow, I'm sure someone who wants to just use the park at 41st would appreciate if you would take advantage of the parking over on the west bank.
I've been pretty lucky, as far as I have nothing ever stolen from my vehicle (not lucky, since I've been broken into several times). Mainly, because I don't have anything worth stealing. The worst that has happened is that someone stole my change cup from my center console.
As for parking, when I go the river, I leave my car over by the 11st street bridge parking lot (up on the hill). Nobody ever really parks there; I think most people forget or don't even know that it exists.
Quote from: TURobY on March 22, 2010, 09:28:50 AM
When I go the river, I leave my car over by the 11st street bridge parking lot (up on the hill). Nobody ever really parks there; I think most people forget or don't even know that it exists.
By the future Museum?
Quote from: TurismoDreamin on March 22, 2010, 08:00:37 AM
If you've noticed, they've put in round mile markers into the pavement. I usually frequent the 41st and 31st street areas and can only vouch for the mile markers being here. South of 41st, I'm not sure.
Yes, I noticed those spray painted mile markers and I don't like them, I hope they are only temp. things- They spent tons of money on everything else and even bought $5,000 light poles and for mile markers they go cheap by using a can of spray paint. Unreal. I like a mile marker to be a post in the ground so as I run I can see it coming up and check my stopwatch, a painted marker can't be seen in advance and in time the paint wears off and fades away. The old trail had wooden mile markers every half mile..
Quote from: Miss Solemnis on March 21, 2010, 02:17:02 PM
I parked a Porsche in that lot - and the ones at 21st and 41st - several times a week for a couple of years and it was never touched.
It could also be the time of day people park in the lot, I'd bet toward evening there are more car break-ins than in the morn. I drive a old F-150 heap anyhow.
Quote from: Townsend on March 22, 2010, 09:30:57 AM
By the future Museum?
I have parked in this area before, never had any problems finding a place. If you can't find a place in the parking lots along Riverside park along the streets in the adjacent neighborhoods...
Quote from: SXSW on March 22, 2010, 02:16:13 PM
I have parked in this area before, never had any problems finding a place. If you can't find a place in the parking lots along Riverside park along the streets in the adjacent neighborhoods...
Parking's never really a thing for me.
"Everything's within walking distance if you have the time". Stephen Wright
Quote from: sauerkraut on March 22, 2010, 11:18:38 AM
Yes, I noticed those spray painted mile markers and I don't like them, I hope they are only temp. things- They spent tons of money on everything else and even bought $5,000 light poles and for mile markers they go cheap by using a can of spray paint. Unreal. I like a mile marker to be a post in the ground so as I run I can see it coming up and check my stopwatch, a painted marker can't be seen in advance and in time the paint wears off and fades away. The old trail had wooden mile markers every half mile..
I don't know what 'spray painted' markers you're talking about. Apparently your last trip to Tulsa was two or three years ago, because the markers in place now are embossed concrete, embedded in the trail
and are painted.
I think you could easily permit on-street parking on both 31st and 41st between Riverside and Peoria, without widening, and not disrupt what relatively little traffic uses those segments. Without good sidewalks in place though I'd be skeptical many would use them other than for special events.
Why not permit paralell parking on the outside lane of Riverside itself during off peak hours - certainly weekends. Between 11th and 45thish only on southbound. I know many wouldn't consider parking there but me and my beater would. The presence of the cars on the side of the roadway would slow many through drivers but not to the traffic-clogging degree. Mark and restrict street parking where a car might come to a stop to turn left so that the right lane would always be open for passing at that point. But all other right lane space would be game for parking. That's alot of spaces.
Quote from: OurTulsa on March 22, 2010, 10:57:50 PM
Why not permit paralell parking on the outside lane of Riverside itself during off peak hours - certainly weekends. Between 11th and 45thish only on southbound. I know many wouldn't consider parking there but me and my beater would. The presence of the cars on the side of the roadway would slow many through drivers but not to the traffic-clogging degree. Mark and restrict street parking where a car might come to a stop to turn left so that the right lane would always be open for passing at that point. But all other right lane space would be game for parking. That's alot of spaces.
I can picture it working, but you would have to rethink Riverside completely and slow traffic down from 40 to 25 to make it safe, and there you will find the resistance. Of course doing so makes it more of a destination rather than just a stretch of asphalt between point A and point B.
Interesting thought.
Quote from: dsjeffries on March 22, 2010, 09:40:17 PM
I don't know what 'spray painted' markers you're talking about. Apparently your last trip to Tulsa was two or three years ago, because the markers in place now are embossed concrete, embedded in the trail and are painted.
The new circular (half mile) markers have been installed from SW Blvd. south to the 3.5 mile point. I ran the south route from 41st south to the Creek Turnpike Trail at Yale. The old wooden markers have been removed from roughly 41st to 71st...where the new trail is being completed. Most of the old half-mile wood markers at still up from 71st south to where I turned around at Yale. Yes...there are some spray painted mileage marks on the trail...but this obviously isn't the final solution. One would assume the circular mileage markers will be continued south.
Side note...there are small white squares sprayed painted every 100m from SW Blvd to 41st St. Kudos to whoever did this...great for speed work.
I usually run at off times...so parking isn't an issue. Another place to park is at Turkey Mtn. Big lot that is rarely even 1/3 or 1/2 full. You can hook up with the west side trail easy. Just have fun running back up that big hill to the parking lot. ;D
Quote from: charky on March 23, 2010, 12:22:54 PM
Just have fun running back up that big hill to the parking lot. ;D
Sounds like when I hiked 1/2 hour in and 1+ hour back out of Haleakala crater on Maui. Fortunately there is a sign at the top of the crater entrance telling you to expect that.
Quote from: charky on March 23, 2010, 12:22:54 PM
The new circular (half mile) markers have been installed from SW Blvd. south to the 3.5 mile point. I ran the south route from 41st south to the Creek Turnpike Trail at Yale. The old wooden markers have been removed from roughly 41st to 71st...where the new trail is being completed. Most of the old half-mile wood markers at still up from 71st south to where I turned around at Yale. Yes...there are some spray painted mileage marks on the trail...but this obviously isn't the final solution. One would assume the circular mileage markers will be continued south.
I think you were responding to a different thread, maybe http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=15155.0
Quote from: patric on March 23, 2010, 01:01:12 PM
I think you were responding to a different thread, maybe http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=15155.0
It wasn't my intention to get this thread off topic...but I meant to respond within this thread. It had veered a bit off-topic...a few had mentioned trail markers...so I added my 2 cents.
(and threw in a blurb about parking in an attempt to not be completely off-topic!)
Quote from: charky on March 23, 2010, 01:53:26 PM
It wasn't my intention to get this thread off topic...but I meant to respond within this thread. It had veered a bit off-topic...a few had mentioned trail markers...so I added my 2 cents.
(and threw in a blurb about parking in an attempt to not be completely off-topic!)
Give your $.02 to sauerkraut and with the $.23 he has, he will have enough for another 15 minutes at the Omaha Library.
Quote from: dbacks fan on March 23, 2010, 02:13:00 PM
Give your $.02 to sauerkraut and with the $.23 he has, he will have enough for another 15 minutes at the Omaha Library.
+1
Quote from: dbacks fan on March 23, 2010, 02:13:00 PM
Give your $.02 to sauerkraut and with the $.23 he has, he will have enough for another 15 minutes at the Omaha Library.
:D :D
Quote from: dsjeffries on March 22, 2010, 09:40:17 PM
I don't know what 'spray painted' markers you're talking about. Apparently your last trip to Tulsa was two or three years ago, because the markers in place now are embossed concrete, embedded in the trail and are painted.
The last time I ran on the trail was last weekend not 2 0r 3 years ago, maybe those embossed concrete markers are the ones I seen, they looked to me like they were just spray painted on, they are green & blue in color with the mile number. I wish they would of used a regular post instead. Those mile markers came up fast and before I had a chance to take a good look at them I was already passed the marker, I just got a glancing view as I ran on by- I parked at the 41st street playground lot and I ran a few miles north & back. :-X
Quote from: sauerkraut on March 24, 2010, 02:38:51 PM
The last time I ran on the trail was last weekend not 2 0r 3 years ago, maybe those embossed concrete markers are the ones I seen, they looked to me like they were just spray painted on, they are green & blue in color with the mile number. I wish they would of used a regular post instead. Those mile markers came up fast and before I had a chance to take a good look at them I was already passed the marker, I just got a glancing view as I ran on by- I parked at the 41st street playground lot and I ran a few miles north & back. :-X
Did you at least use common sense enough to stay out of the bike lanes? Lots of people have not caught on to the concept yet and there's some tension building in the cycling community over it.
The cycling community is always tense about something. I think it's part of the culture.
Parallel parking on Riverside sounds like guaranteed mayhem to me, mitigated by a 25 mph speed limit perhaps. That road is awful narrow... Seems like having only two lanes open, even during off-hours, would significantly stagnate traffic as well.
Quote from: buckeye on March 24, 2010, 04:11:11 PM
The cycling community is always tense about something. I think it's part of the culture.
I realize there are some cyclists who give the sport a bad name and assume they have the right of way regardless. I've also seen them taunt cars and flip them off. Both stupid moves even if the driver is a jagoff.
However, too many people don't respect that it's not always easy to stop on a dime and clip out of your pedals when they let their 2 year old toddler run about on a bike trail without supervision or get on their little hoopty bike and talk on their cell phone while weaving all over the trail at 5 mph. I never thought I'd say it but the road is safer than the trails between 51st & 11th on a nice day now.
Quote from: sauerkraut on March 24, 2010, 02:38:51 PM
Those mile markers came up fast and before I had a chance to take a good look at them I was already passed the marker, I just got a glancing view as I ran on by-
So are you complaining about small markers or are you really bragging about running so fast? :D
Quote from: buckeye on March 24, 2010, 04:11:11 PM
Parallel parking on Riverside sounds like guaranteed mayhem to me, mitigated by a 25 mph speed limit perhaps. That road is awful narrow... Seems like having only two lanes open, even during off-hours, would significantly stagnate traffic as well.
Seems that way when driving at 35+ mph. I drove it this evening and lane widths seem fairly wide to the extent that if someone were to pull to the curb and park there'd be no squeeze on the left lane. I was out there just after 6:00pm and I don't think I passed more than 2-3 dozen cars heading north (as they were heading south) between 41st and Denver Av.
I think it's a psychological leap...so what if someone get's stuck through one light cycle at 41st St. every great once in a while or has to cruise down Riverside at 25-30 mphs for 2 miles. Set the parking back at certain points to preserve sight lines and prohibit parking during peak evening flow south then publicly, I think we gain by adding a hefty load of parking on the park without compromising the park itself...oh, and we throw in a little traffic calming to boot.
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 24, 2010, 04:33:39 PM
So are you complaining about small markers or are you really bragging about running so fast? :D
Don't expect an answer until the Omaha library opens in the morning.
Could there be a speed limit based on the time of day and parking? I'm thinking of something like school zones speed limit changes. Drivers won't mind going slower if there is something there to go slow for, like parked cars. If the lanes are open, they will probably want the current speed limits.
I drive home from work through downtown Jenks on Main Street. For the short distance, 25 is not a problem.
Quote from: Hoss on March 24, 2010, 11:49:56 PM
Don't expect an answer until the Omaha library opens in the morning.
I thought that since 3:30 this afternoon would have been enough time. I guess not.
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 24, 2010, 11:53:14 PM
I thought that since 3:30 this afternoon would have been enough time. I guess not.
He's out looking for quarters.
Quote from: dbacks fan on March 25, 2010, 09:30:57 AM
He's out looking for quarters.
As in a place to stay or as in US coins?
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 25, 2010, 10:06:18 AM
As in a place to stay or as in US coins?
The intent was US coins, but now that you mention it, he spends time in Omaha, Tulsa, Ft. Worth, etc... does that mean he has to fill out a census in all those places? ;)
That 4 lane road got plenty of use when Peoria was closed at I-44 and everyone had to circumnavigate the blockade via Riverside. There is constantly road construction chaos in the area, and street events that shut down and divert traffic in this part of town. It may not seem necessary for 41st to be 4-lanes on an average day with no abnormalities, but the abnormalities to make use of said lanes occur pretty often.
We used to park in the lot just north of the MAPCO building and then take 18th street over to the river, and some times we would park at Johnson Park and hit the trail from there. (That was when the trail and Riverside both ended at 61st.) Parking has alway been and will always be problematic. I thought at one time the houses that they took out at 49th and Riverside were going to be replaced by parking but at that time there were no traffic controls at I-44 and Riverside to make for safe crossing. Also, couldn't you park on the west side just south of PSO at the soccer complex?
Quote from: dbacks fan on March 25, 2010, 02:26:49 PMI thought at one time the houses that they took out at 49th and Riverside were going to be replaced by parking
That location slipped my mind. There is also a huge chunk of removed houses on 52nd St. thru 54th Pl. Why did they remove those houses in the first place? I seem to recall someone telling me it was because they had planned to widen Riverside, or actually turn it into an expressway? How did it go as far as moving houses?
Nonetheless, those plots of land on both sides of the highway are prime parking, as I don't see new homes fitting in with the current ones, I don't see room for businesses or apartments, and the green space there now isn't particularly appealing to the eye. It looks like parking (plus some nice landscaping with the planting of trees) would be a good fit there. Your only problem would be neighborhoods objecting, as well as people getting across the street to the Riverparks - It could be done at the traffic signal, but a pedestrian walkway would be much safer.
Quote from: YoungTulsan on March 25, 2010, 04:22:38 PM
That location slipped my mind. There is also a huge chunk of removed houses on 52nd St. thru 54th Pl. Why did they remove those houses in the first place? I seem to recall someone telling me it was because they had planned to widen Riverside, or actually turn it into an expressway? How did it go as far as moving houses?
Nonetheless, those plots of land on both sides of the highway are prime parking, as I don't see new homes fitting in with the current ones, I don't see room for businesses or apartments, and the green space there now isn't particularly appealing to the eye. It looks like parking (plus some nice landscaping with the planting of trees) would be a good fit there. Your only problem would be neighborhoods objecting, as well as people getting across the street to the Riverparks - It could be done at the traffic signal, but a pedestrian walkway would be much safer.
Looking at it on google it runs from ~48th street to 54th place, and I want to say that it was late '70s and it had to do with when they replaced the bridge over the river that they bought it up as ROW for ODOT, and then turned it into the "Up With Trees" program
http://www.upwithtrees.org/ (http://www.upwithtrees.org/)
I know there has been discussions for years to widen Riverside, but I think it has always been cost prohibitive to purchase all the properties needed so that they could retain the trail, in particular going north from what used to be Place One Apts, all of the complexes up to 21st street. Interesting thought in looking at it, they could have taken the inbound/north direction a routed it at ~21st so that it would become Boulder going into town, and made the south/outbound route Denver.
Another thought is what Phoenix did years ago with three major streets leading into and out of downtown. In this case they would have to take out the center median on Riverside and make the road five lanes with the center lane being a reverse lane. In the morning 6am to 9am you would have three lanes going into town and in the evening 3pm to 7pm it would be three lanes going out, other times it would be two each way with a center left turn lane. At 41st either widen the intersection to accomodate a left turn bay or make it no left turn, in the afternoon/evening. You could concievably do this to the Jenks Bridge. (Actually looking at it again the Creek Turnpike)
Quote from: dbacks fan on March 25, 2010, 05:22:19 PM
Looking at it on google it runs from ~48th street to 54th place, and I want to say that it was late '70s and it had to do with when they replaced the bridge over the river that they bought it up as ROW for ODOT, and then turned it into the "Up With Trees" program
http://www.upwithtrees.org/ (http://www.upwithtrees.org/)
Ah, my mistake. The part to the north of the highway actually has good trees. South of the highway is mostly ratty grass with sporadic, mostly young trees- but the trees could be looking nice in a decade or so. So I'm backtreading a little on my "Its only good as a parking lot" analysis.
I'm seeing a lot of "Up with trees" projects being laid to waste up and down I-44 with the widening project. Kind of sad. Does any tree transplanting take place or is it 100% blitzkrieg?
About the reverse lane, something tells me there are too many stupid people in this town that wouldn't understand the concept. Every day there would be about 25 head-on collisions because someone who drove to work in that lane decided to drive up it again later to go out for dinner. (Had to edit this because I even confused my dumb self)
There are plans to replace the trees, but not a firm timetable.
Up with Trees doesn't have a lot of say when the highway department (or the Indian casino further south) decides to take out some trees. They just keep planting more.
Up with Trees used to plant about 800 trees a year. This last six months alone they have planted over 3,000 trees and given away over 10,000 other medium sized trees.
From the cone layout on 51st between Lewis and Harvard it looks like they are probably about to lay waste to the beautiful Bradford pear trees that line the street and median.
Quote from: YoungTulsan on March 25, 2010, 09:40:16 PM
Ah, my mistake. The part to the north of the highway actually has good trees. South of the highway is mostly ratty grass with sporadic, mostly young trees- but the trees could be looking nice in a decade or so. So I'm backtreading a little on my "Its only good as a parking lot" analysis.
I'm seeing a lot of "Up with trees" projects being laid to waste up and down I-44 with the widening project. Kind of sad. Does any tree transplanting take place or is it 100% blitzkrieg?
About the reverse lane, something tells me there are too many stupid people in this town that wouldn't understand the concept. Every day there would be about 25 head-on collisions because someone who drove to work in that lane decided to drive up it again later to go out for dinner. (Had to edit this because I even confused my dumb self)
No problem, I looked again and from 31st going north there is no divider and at the pedesrian brige it would be a mjor project that would take away from the bridge to widen it there, even I would be opposed to that growing up in Tulsa, that's one thing I would not want to change.
About the reverse lanes, it took me a while when I moved here to get used to those and the HOV lanes on the freeways, and the regulations on the HOV have changed in the 12 years I've been here. As for people trying to use the reverse lanes for left turns during the regulated hours, the people here are not afraid to voice their thoughts either with their horns or their voices.
Quote from: Red Arrow on March 24, 2010, 04:33:39 PM
So are you complaining about small markers or are you really bragging about running so fast? :D
I don't like 'em you can't see them till your right on top of them, but you can start to watch for them when you know a mile marker is about to come up by looking at your watch, they looked to me like they were just spray painted on the pavement. I like to use the mile markers when I'm doing speed workouts. The city of Omaha has a huge network of jogging trails- www.omahatrails.com Click on the menu on the left and a list of the trails pop up, the trails have no street crossings they are like a interstate highway system for bikes & joggers. I'd like to see something like that in Tulsa.
The Funny thing is with all those trails Omaha has- I still find myself running on the same old trail all the time, a creature of habit I guess.. My favorite running trail when I'm in Omaha is the Wehrspann Lake Trail a six mile loop trail that circles the lake and it has drinking water & tons of wildlife and ample parking it's better for running then cycling because the trail has alot of curves. Omaha Trails have mile markers every 1/10 of a mile.
Quote from: buckeye on March 24, 2010, 04:11:11 PM
The cycling community is always tense about something. I think it's part of the culture.
Parallel parking on Riverside sounds like guaranteed mayhem to me, mitigated by a 25 mph speed limit perhaps. That road is awful narrow... Seems like having only two lanes open, even during off-hours, would significantly stagnate traffic as well.
The Cycling community must be the same all over, in Omaha the cyclists think they own the Keystone Trail a major 23 mile long trail that runs from Fort Street to the Cornhusker highway in the south, cyclists like to race up & down that trail it's mostly flat with slight curves as the trail passes under streets and highways perfect for high speed cycling, The subject of cyclists spoiling the Keystone Trail for everyone else is a common topic on local talk radio shows. Normally for runners if you just keep to the right the cyclists don't care, but some rollerbladers and walkers with dogs who wonder all over the trail tick them off and have resulted in accidents. Some cyclists go so fast that by the time they yell out "passing on your left" they are already past you.. About 5 years year ago two cyclists who were racing each other crashed into another cyclist going the oppiset direction in a blind underpass curve. A 42 year man was hit by lightning on the Keystone once as he was cycling. Anyhoo, I have not seen it that bad on Tulsa Trails... I would like to see dogs banned from the trails, dogs can now go to the dog parks. There is alot of dog poop all around Riverparks.
Are there thick stands of trees where you can hide a dead body along the trails in Omaha? Just curious.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 26, 2010, 09:50:40 AM
Are there thick stands of trees where you can hide a dead body along the trails in Omaha? Just curious.
They have thick fields of corn instead. :P
I think they should ban geese from the trails. Been dodging too much geese poop lately.
Canadian geese produce one to two pounds of poop per day and the Discovery Channel did a study that showed some geese produce as much as five pounds a day.
Five pounds a day. That is like the amount of poop that comes out a Congressmen each day.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 26, 2010, 09:50:40 AM
Are there thick stands of trees where you can hide a dead body along the trails in Omaha? Just curious.
Just looked at some of the pic's of their trails, and yes there are thick stands of trees, and better yet, a river. Or yo can travel outside the Omaha area and there are several abandoned Atlas Missile silos.
Quote from: dbacks fan on March 26, 2010, 11:00:46 AM
Just looked at some of the pic's of their trails, and yes there are thick stands of trees, and better yet, a river.
Any cement block factories near by? How far would I, er uh,
someone have to carry them?
Quote from: RecycleMichael on March 26, 2010, 10:58:27 AM
Canadian geese produce one to two pounds of poop per day and the Discovery Channel did a study that showed some geese produce as much as five pounds a day.
Five pounds a day. That is like the amount of poop that comes out a Congressmen each day.
1/2 as much...
Quote from: Conan71 on March 26, 2010, 11:05:40 AM
Any cement block factories near by? How far would I, er uh, someone have to carry them?
If you are willing to drive some, there are several abandoned Atlas Missile silos in the area.
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/kallsop2/OmahaAtlas.jpg)
Quote from: dbacks fan on March 26, 2010, 11:22:37 AM
If you are willing to drive some, there are several abandoned Atlas Missile silos in the area.
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/kallsop2/OmahaAtlas.jpg)
If you want to waste a few hours, Google the name: Gordon Todd Skinner & missile silo. Former Tulsan, Cascia Hall grad, sociopath, LSD manufacturer, and now a resident of the Federal Hilton at El Reno.
Cliff Notes version: He bought a missile silo near Wamego, Ks. turned it into an Austin Powers pad and was making massive quantities of LSD under the guise of having expanded his family's Gardner Spring company up there as a front. Total freakazoid.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 26, 2010, 02:47:36 PM
If you want to waste a few hours, Google the name: Gordon Todd Skinner & missile silo. Former Tulsan, Cascia Hall grad, sociopath, LSD manufacturer, and now a resident of the Federal Hilton at El Reno.
Cliff Notes version: He bought a missile silo near Wamego, Ks. turned it into an Austin Powers pad and was making massive quantities of LSD under the guise of having expanded his family's Gardner Spring company up there as a front. Total freakazoid.
I have run across that a couple of times from other people, and have found it in my research on the Cold War. Have found some very interesting web sites on that topic, including every missile site/silo in the US for ICBM's, and the Nike and BOMARC defense sites for surface to air missiles and all of the DEW sites (Distance Early Warning) that lined north America from Alaska to Greenland, and have found out why the Canadians and Greenland hate the US for the toxic waste we left behind from the late 70's all the way to '88. I will have to look for it again but I found a picture of the Airbus 380 double decker landing in Greenland on one of our own old airstrips that is shorter than the runway at TIA for cold weather testimg.
Quote from: dbacks fan on March 26, 2010, 10:16:08 PM
I have run across that a couple of times from other people, and have found it in my research on the Cold War. Have found some very interesting web sites on that topic, including every missile site/silo in the US for ICBM's, and the Nike and BOMARC defense sites for surface to air missiles and all of the DEW sites (Distance Early Warning) that lined north America from Alaska to Greenland, and have found out why the Canadians and Greenland hate the US for the toxic waste we left behind from the late 70's all the way to '88. I will have to look for it again but I found a picture of the Airbus 380 double decker landing in Greenland on one of our own old airstrips that is shorter than the runway at TIA for cold weather testimg.
In GreenLand they have small planes land on bare ice. I'm suprpised a little greenland air strip can handle a AirBus 380 though. Greenland is a bitter cold place all year.
Quote from: charky on March 26, 2010, 10:09:43 AM
I think they should ban geese from the trails. Been dodging too much geese poop lately.
Canada Geese are a big problem on the Heritage Trail in Hilliard, Ohio (Columbus, Ohio area) a part of the trail passes by a small lake and geese poop is all over the trail pavement and in the grass next to the trail, runners and cyclists just bypass that section, it's just north of the main trail parking area The city trys to hose it off now & then and clean up the mess. That is worse than dog dung. That's the trail where they did a 5K Race race back in 2006 and I came in 2nd place for my age group with a time of 25:33 the first place guy beat me by 31 seconds. It's a nice trail to run or cycle it's 12' wide, it's flat with no grades and no hills,- it's six miles long. They have mile markers every half mile. ::)
The only geese problem on the trails seems to be South of the pedestrian bridge on the east side of the river. It's the worst next to the apartments on the west side near Southwest Boulevard.
Quote from: sauerkraut on March 27, 2010, 09:41:37 AM
In GreenLand they have small planes land on bare ice. I'm suprpised a little greenland air strip can handle a AirBus 380 though. Greenland is a bitter cold place all year.
My mistake it wasn't Greenland, it was here http://www.city.iqaluit.nu.ca/apps/fusebox/index.php?fa=c.splash (http://www.city.iqaluit.nu.ca/apps/fusebox/index.php?fa=c.splash)
which was a DEW Line Station. The runway is 7000'.
Here are the pics
http://rides.webshots.com/album/569396082vxPqWx?start=0 (http://rides.webshots.com/album/569396082vxPqWx?start=0)
Quote from: TurismoDreamin on March 27, 2010, 01:36:51 PM
The only geese problem on the trails seems to be South of the pedestrian bridge on the east side of the river. It's the worst next to the apartments on the west side near Southwest Boulevard.
The worst Canada Geese problems happen during certain times of the year- Northern states seem to have more of a problem.
Quote from: sauerkraut on March 30, 2010, 09:42:17 AM
The worst Canada Geese problems happen during certain times of the year- Northern states seem to have more of a problem.
You don't say?
Quote from: sauerkraut on March 30, 2010, 09:42:17 AM
The worst Canada Geese problems happen during certain times of the year- Northern states seem to have more of a problem.
Have you ever been to Arizona in the winter?
Quote from: dbacks fan on March 30, 2010, 11:32:39 AM
Have you ever been to Arizona in the winter?
No- but I would like to retire either in Phoenix or in Las Vegas- are geese a big problem in Phoenix?
Quote from: sauerkraut on March 31, 2010, 10:04:13 AM
No- but I would like to retire either in Phoenix or in Las Vegas- are geese a big problem in Phoenix?
No, but retirees from the midwest are...
Quote from: sauerkraut on March 31, 2010, 10:04:13 AM
No- but I would like to retire either in Phoenix or in Las Vegas- are geese a big problem in Phoenix?
Let's see, Arizona winter, Phoenix in particular, hmmmm, never drops below 30 degrees, lots of sunshine, man made lakes stocked with fish using reclaimed water, and thousands of ducks, geese, and all kinds of birds (with and without wings) migrate here every winter. Ya THINK there might be an issue? I would say look it up but the only thing you use the Omaha library for is to post online comments here.
Too many snowbirds,
Not enough freezer space........
Quote from: Conan71 on March 31, 2010, 10:52:57 AM
No, but retirees from the midwest are...
+10
You know what Iowa stands for?
Idiots
Out
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Around
Quote from: sauerkraut on March 31, 2010, 10:04:13 AM
No- but I would like to retire either in Phoenix or in Las Vegas- are geese a big problem in Phoenix?
Hey, maybe you can take an early retirement? And tell everyone you're living in Arizona from the solitude of that cubicle at the Omaha Public library.
Quote from: Conan71 on March 31, 2010, 10:52:57 AM
No, but retirees from the midwest are...
Yep, they call 'em "SnowBirdz"
Quote from: sauerkraut on April 01, 2010, 09:38:15 AM
Yep, they call 'em "SnowBirdz"
Hence my previous post, "So many snowbirds, So little freezer space."
Not many people like cold climates- They follow the Sun. The SunBelt Cities grow while the Frost Belt cities loose population. Not many folks want to retire in Fargo N. Dakota. :)
Back on topic- I found a parking spot at the playground area Easter Sunday at 10am- It was just starting to fill up fast then. I ran 8 miles, I ran two miles north & back and two miles south & back, that strong south wind was ruff- Running into into the wind cut my pace down to 9.0 and even at times as slow as 9.5- however with the wind at your back it can bump up your pace when you turn around. I got a good look at those new mile markers, they are located every half mile and they are painted on cement discs buried in the pavement.
Planned "Back-In" Parking on Riverside New to Tulsahttp://www.ktul.com/story/21749171/planned-back-in-parking-on-riverside-new-to-tulsa?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co (http://www.ktul.com/story/21749171/planned-back-in-parking-on-riverside-new-to-tulsa?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co)
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QuoteTulsa -
Are you good at driving in reverse? You will need to be with a new plan to add parking along Riverside Drive. It calls for "back-in" parking spots.
113 new parking spots are proposed along Riverside, north of Denver Avenue. There would be a combination of parallel and back-in spots.
This would be the first back-in parking in Tulsa. There are many advantages. You can fit more cars in the angled spots than in parallel. It's also easier for bikers or mom to unload gear from their trunk safely on the grass.
Tom Dittus, Managing Partner at the Blue Rose Cafe, said when their seats are full, the parking lots are overflowing.
"We do hear from time to time, it's really tough when we come down there -- if we drive -- to find a place to park," said Dittus.
He knows easy parking will keep customers coming back.
"The whole idea of building business on the river front is a great idea, but you can't do it without parking," said Dittus. "We don't want to destroy the integrity of the park by any means. We don't want concrete jungle out here."
Tulsa Traffic Operations Manager, Mark Brown, thinks he has a solution, adding parallel and back-in parking along the existing road.
"It's a pretty harmless way to gain a lot more parking along a corridor that's unused now as far as parking," said Brown.
The city would move the center line over four feet to make room for the spots. They would add signs to help Tulsans understand the new parking and possibly lower the speed limit in the area.
"We've got to get public by-in to the concept," said Brown. "That's the way it has to work to benefit and be safe for all that are using the parking area."
The back-in slots will have a 30-degree angle and should be easier to park in than a traditional angled spot.
The plan will cost approximately $10,000, relatively low cost because the city would just need to re-stripe the road.
Brown said if people don't like the back-in parking, the striping could easily be reversed later.
I suggested the same thing on Cherry Street.......Good work I say....
I don't know why they can't expand the parking lot at 41st & RiverSide Drive, they have plenty of room to do so. When the weather is nice I don't even bother going to the lot at 41st & RiverSide Drive I know it'll be full and overflowing onto the grass, I noticed they put up a "No Parking" sign on the grass there this year. When I go running on nice days I end up parking at a smaller lot south of I-44 and they are sometimes pretty full.
I heard some good news about the new River Casino, they plan to expand and move the jogging trail to the river banks from it's current location near RiverSide Drive. The trail currently is unsafe as it crosses busy Casino driveways. There is plently of room by the river for the trail, it's about time they move the trail.
Quote from: sauerkraut on March 23, 2013, 02:47:00 PM
I heard some good news about the new River Casino, they plan to expand and move the jogging trail to the river banks from it's current location near RiverSide Drive. The trail currently is unsafe as it crosses busy Casino driveways. There is plently of room by the river for the trail, it's about time they move the trail.
Did you see this news on the TulsaNow forum? Perhaps in a discussion specifically about the exciting new Jimmy Buffeteria?