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Saturday, April 24, 2010
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3624 North 74th East Avenue
Tulsa, Oklahoma
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and inspirational initiatives throughout the year.
Excuse me while I squeal like a little girl and wet myself with excitement. ;D
I wasn't aware this was a sport until this morning and now think every other form of racing is minor leagues.
Quote from: sgrizzle on February 17, 2010, 08:05:46 AM
I wasn't aware this was a sport until this morning and now think every other form of racing is minor leagues.
It's about time Tulsa got an annual Air Show. Off to purchase tickets right away!
I'm there!
Ok I know im going to get slammed on this but here goes.
Aside from paying for the event to be here. What benefit is it to by a ticket to a air show ?
I have never been to a air show so someone please tell me what extra things go on inside at the tarmac ? I mean wouldnt you see the same things parked in your car on North Sheridan. Anyone living on East Virgin St should have a nice lawn chair experience at no cost.
It seems about the same as parking near the Admiral Twin and tuning your FM radio and watching the movie. Not that I have done this but just asking.
Who knows what people will do in this economy.
Quote from: DolfanBob on February 22, 2010, 10:03:50 AM
Ok I know im going to get slammed on this but here goes.
Aside from paying for the event to be here. What benefit is it to by a ticket to a air show ?
I have never been to a air show so someone please tell me what extra things go on inside at the tarmac ? I mean wouldnt you see the same things parked in your car on North Sheridan. Anyone living on East Virgin St should have a nice lawn chair experience at no cost.
It seems about the same as parking near the Admiral Twin and tuning your FM radio and watching the movie. Not that I have done this but just asking.
Who knows what people will do in this economy.
Better viewing, meet the pilots, view the aircraft on the ground, hear the announcers, shopping, etc.
Many of the performances, particularly aerobatics, are done close to the ground and hard to see away from the airshow.
I've been to many airshows, including driving to Wisconsin for the big grandaddy of them all (about 15,000 aircraft) and have also tried watching from outside (granparents lived next to Will Rogers airport when OKC had a show) and can say being in the show is far better. Hard to compar watching from a distance and having a F-15 going vertical and hitting the afterburners directly over your head. Eyebrows grow back.
Some examples (check the pilot's name on the first one)
Osh Kosh, B'gosh?
Just FYI, there is a very good airplane collection housed at the Liberal, Ks. Airport in buildings which once housed a Beechcraft production facility.
http://www.kansastravel.org/airmuseum.htm
If you've never seen a big round (radial) engine start, you gotta be there. After all the plugs are cleared, they sound so wonderful.
Quote from: Conan71 on February 22, 2010, 10:30:59 AM
Osh Kosh, B'gosh?
That fly-in is awesome. You'll never see anything like it. The tower controllers are wore out by the end of their first shift. They land on taxiways and color code everything. They issue special auxiliary charts for the event only.
Quote from: Conan71 on February 22, 2010, 11:16:08 AM
Just FYI, there is a very good airplane collection housed at the Liberal, Ks. Airport in buildings which once housed a Beechcraft production facility.
http://www.kansastravel.org/airmuseum.htm
A friend and I drove up to Independence Airport some years back to visit the Cessna Plant. Got to see them making all sorts of aircraft. Quite a spectacle. If I had been the photographer then I am now, I would have taken a camera.
Quote from: Hoss on February 22, 2010, 12:17:56 PM
A friend and I drove up to Independence Airport some years back to visit the Cessna Plant. Got to see them making all sorts of aircraft. Quite a spectacle. If I had been the photographer then I am now, I would have taken a camera.
A friend of mine and I flew out to Liberal in his Cherokee 180 so we could get a couple of hours of hood time in for our IFR tickets. The collection was donated to the City of Liberal by Colonel Tom Thomas. It's a shame space could not be found to house the collection somewhere permanently in Oklahoma.
Here's some brief info I found on it:
"Countless hours of volunteer labor went into making the museum a reality. One of the driving forces behind the Mid-America Air Museum was Colonel Tom Thomas of Ada, Oklahoma. As a P-40 pilot during World War II, Colonel Thomas flew 86 combat missions and shot down six enemy aircraft, before he himself was shot down and captured in Sicily. During his military career, Colonel Thomas was awarded the Air Medal, Distinguished Flying Cross, and the Silver Star for gallantry in action. Following the war, Colonel Thomas went into private enterprise and became the CEO of Thomas Concrete Products in Oklahoma City. Colonel Thomas loaned nearly seventy classic airplanes from his private collection to the Mid-America Air Museum, and willed them to the City of Liberal upon his death. Today the museum is the fifth-largest airplane museum in the country."
I hope by now they have improved the museum in Wichita. They started an air museum up there in the late '90's in the old airport terminal which was next to McConnell AFB and it was really pathetic considering what a hub Wichita has been to the aerospace industry. About the coolest thing in their collection was a Beech Bonanza cut-away plane.
The Cosmosphere in Hutchinson is also worth a look.
I've not flown in at least 10 years now. I'd like to get current and more importantly proficient again after I get my daughters out of college. Are you still flying any? Who else here is a pilot? Red Arrow, you are, aren't you (I've guessed for awhile you own a red Piper Arrow or fly one).
Suh-Wheat !
Sgriz, Im glad I asked. Those pics are awsome, and your explanation perfect.
I will now consider taking the kids out there for the day. Looks like a great time.
I'll be there, on the grounds is the only place to be!
I Haven't missed OSH for several years now. I go to a nearby fly-in for quiet camping and flying then ride the bus around the lake to OSH a couple of days. Last year I took my 13 year old dauguter and had to pull her out the gate when it was time to go, her request for this year MORE DAYS AT THE AIRSHOW!
Quote from: Vision 2025 on February 23, 2010, 10:30:01 AM
I'll be there, on the grounds is the only place to be!
I Haven't missed OSH for several years now. I go to a nearby fly-in for quiet camping and flying then ride the bus around the lake to OSH a couple of days. Last year I took my 13 year old dauguter and had to pull her out the gate when it was time to go, her request for this year MORE DAYS AT THE AIRSHOW!
I did 3 days and would say I saw "most" of the larger exhibits. I didn't go over to the small craft side.
I stayed in green bay.
on the topic, sort of, found this interesting
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8530165.stm
Quote from: sgrizzle on February 23, 2010, 10:41:02 AM
I did 3 days and would say I saw "most" of the larger exhibits. I didn't go over to the small craft side.
I stayed in green bay.
New Holstein, they treat us like family...
What do you fly?
Quote from: Vision 2025 on February 23, 2010, 02:02:33 PM
New Holstein, they treat us like family...
What do you fly?
While my velocity may have been comparable, my transportation was four-wheeled and never left the ground.
Quote from: sgrizzle on February 23, 2010, 02:24:47 PM
While my velocity may have been comparable, my transportation was four-wheeled and never left the ground.
and I understand the inverse, having looked down at trucks passing me by on ocassion :(
Quote from: Vision 2025 on February 23, 2010, 02:50:52 PM
and I understand the inverse, having looked down at trucks passing me by on ocassion :(
We had cars passing us on I-40 coming back from Tunica, Miss. one time in my friend's Cherokee 180. As I recall we had a headwind in the 40-50 kt. range and it was one hell of a bumpy ride. We wound up leaving the plane in Tahlequah and bumming a ride back to Tulsa after stopping to drop off the two pax we'd picked up at TQH on the way to UTA. We could only use about 1/2 tanks to stay within the weight/balance envelope which meant a fuel stop somewhere between Little Rock and Rogers with that kind of slow progress.
It had a climb prop to airspeed was only about 105-110 kts but it sure would get to altitude quick.
Quote from: Conan71 on February 23, 2010, 03:05:30 PM
We had cars passing us on I-40 coming back from Tunica, Miss. one time in my friend's Cherokee 180. As I recall we had a headwind in the 40-50 kt. range and it was one hell of a bumpy ride. We wound up leaving the plane in Tahlequah and bumming a ride back to Tulsa after stopping to drop off the two pax we'd picked up at TQH on the way to UTA. We could only use about 1/2 tanks to stay within the weight/balance envelope which meant a fuel stop somewhere between Little Rock and Rogers with that kind of slow progress.
It had a climb prop to airspeed was only about 105-110 kts but it sure would get to altitude quick.
I'm surprised you guys didn't try to change altitude to find a less spectacular (or would that be craptacular in this case?) head wind. That happened to a friend and I once on a trip to Mineral Wells, TX. It was going to be a down and back; the GPS showed our groundspeed at about 82 knots (around 93 mph) in a plane rated at about 104kts. Headwind was terrible.
On the flipside, our groundspeed coming home was about 145 kts...
;D
Quote from: Hoss on February 23, 2010, 04:52:55 PM
I'm surprised you guys didn't try to change altitude to find a less spectacular (or would that be craptacular in this case?) head wind. That happened to a friend and I once on a trip to Mineral Wells, TX. It was going to be a down and back; the GPS showed our groundspeed at about 82 knots (around 93 mph) in a plane rated at about 104kts. Headwind was terrible.
On the flipside, our groundspeed coming home was about 145 kts...
;D
It was near 35 kts with gusts on the dirt that day, so that should tell you about the screaming winds aloft. That's the reason we left the plane at TQH. Yes, we got a weather briefing- stupid get-there-itis and a more than optimistic outlook on a low pressure system passing further than it did. The only way to gain on our air speed would have been a scud-running altitude, no thanks. As I recall 2500 was way bumpy, seems like we were at 4500 coming home.
Quote from: Conan71 on February 23, 2010, 08:54:51 PM
It was near 35 kts with gusts on the dirt that day, so that should tell you about the screaming winds aloft. That's the reason we left the plane at TQH. Yes, we got a weather briefing- stupid get-there-itis and a more than optimistic outlook on a low pressure system passing further than it did. The only way to gain on our air speed would have been a scud-running altitude, no thanks. As I recall 2500 was way bumpy, seems like we were at 4500 coming home.
Plus, 2500 feet limits your options if there is engine trouble. I know I always tried to get as high an altitude as possible in case I had some sort of engine trouble so I could glide that thing as long and far as possible. Highest I've even been in a single engine is 11,500 feet. You get a little loopy that high up for extended periods.
Quote from: Hoss on February 24, 2010, 12:04:28 AM
You get a little loopy that high up for extended periods.
It's even more noticable if one is loopy on the ground. ;D
Quote from: Hoss on February 24, 2010, 12:04:28 AM
Plus, 2500 feet limits your options if there is engine trouble. I know I always tried to get as high an altitude as possible in case I had some sort of engine trouble so I could glide that thing as long and far as possible. Highest I've even been in a single engine is 11,500 feet. You get a little loopy that high up for extended periods.
I decided to see what one of Christiansen's worn out 152's would ceiling out at on a 95 degree (on the ground) day one time, heading east-bound. I made it to close to 9500 ft and the climb rate had dropped to around 20 or 30 FPM. My AOA was so high at that point it was scrubbing off a lot of forward speed, so I went back to 7500.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 24, 2010, 07:48:02 AM
It's even more noticable if one is loopy on the ground. ;D
No ground loops! Speaking of, I never did get to fly a tail-dragger. Anyone else ever do it?
Quote from: custosnox on February 23, 2010, 12:35:00 PM
on the topic, sort of, found this interesting
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8530165.stm
Just north of Tucson is the Pinal Air Park, another boneyard for civilian commercial aircraft mianly Northwest Airlines. It was home to CIA ops in the 50's and 60's, most notably Air America operations. And for the aviation buff it's now home to 18 of the 50 Beechcraft Starship 2000.
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?placesearch=Marana+-+Pinal+Airpark+%28Silver+Bell+AHP%29+%28MZJ%29&sort_order=photo_id+desc&page=1&page_limit=15&sid=5bf04ba3a41a3d5a5b95c08a1e7adc9c (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?placesearch=Marana+-+Pinal+Airpark+%28Silver+Bell+AHP%29+%28MZJ%29&sort_order=photo_id+desc&page=1&page_limit=15&sid=5bf04ba3a41a3d5a5b95c08a1e7adc9c)
Quote from: Conan71 on February 24, 2010, 09:17:36 AM
No ground loops! Speaking of, I never did get to fly a tail-dragger. Anyone else ever do it?
I was referring to the person being loopy.
Flying a taildragger isn't much different than a nose dragger. ;D Take off and landings are the big difference. They will teach you the meaning of the words "rudder pedal". Wheel landings are a different skill set from stalled landings.
Quote from: dbacks fan on February 24, 2010, 11:43:30 AM
And for the aviation buff it's now home to 18 of the 50 Beechcraft Starship 2000.
A Beechcraft Starship occasionally still flys in to Riverside/Jones (KRVS) by Jenks. Great looking plane.
Quote from: dbacks fan on February 24, 2010, 11:43:30 AM
Just north of Tucson is the Pinal Air Park, another boneyard for civilian commercial aircraft mianly Northwest Airlines. It was home to CIA ops in the 50's and 60's, most notably Air America operations. And for the aviation buff it's now home to 18 of the 50 Beechcraft Starship 2000.
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?placesearch=Marana+-+Pinal+Airpark+%28Silver+Bell+AHP%29+%28MZJ%29&sort_order=photo_id+desc&page=1&page_limit=15&sid=5bf04ba3a41a3d5a5b95c08a1e7adc9c (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?placesearch=Marana+-+Pinal+Airpark+%28Silver+Bell+AHP%29+%28MZJ%29&sort_order=photo_id+desc&page=1&page_limit=15&sid=5bf04ba3a41a3d5a5b95c08a1e7adc9c)
The airplane ghetto. They steal the landing gear and leave them on pallets:
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 24, 2010, 11:56:26 AM
A Beechcraft Starship occasionally still flys in to Riverside/Jones (KRVS) by Jenks. Great looking plane.
I've seen it flying around before. Was wondering if it was based there.
Quote from: Conan71 on February 24, 2010, 09:16:46 AM
I decided to see what one of Christiansen's worn out 152's would ceiling out at on a 95 degree (on the ground) day one time, heading east-bound. I made it to close to 9500 ft and the climb rate had dropped to around 20 or 30 FPM. My AOA was so high at that point it was scrubbing off a lot of forward speed, so I went back to 7500.
You've seen me Conan...even at my lighter status now a 152 would be a no-way. The 172s are even a little crowded for me; my flyin buddy, while not so rotund, is about 6-4 and 240, so the both of us in a 172 for a five hour flight (we flew to St Louis Regional in Alton IL one time) gets a little nerve-wracking. Especially when you fly into St Louis' Class B airspace. It took the both of us watching to make sure we got down in one piece.
He used to buy blocks of airtime (that's a story for later) and we'd fly at least once a week and that lasted almost a year. I've got CD's full of 30 second clips of us flying. On my buddy's first flight with me after he got his instrument paper, we flew west to AMA through some clouds and a bit of a little storm as we got to AMA. He was on final, had the right rudder stabbed full and we still had a crab angle of about 25 to 30 degrees because of a nasty crosswind with quite a headwind component. Needless to say we switched runways. I have that first attempt on video somewhere..you can see the runway through the canopy and it's off to the left quite a bit.
Quote from: Conan71 on February 24, 2010, 09:17:36 AM
No ground loops! Speaking of, I never did get to fly a tail-dragger. Anyone else ever do it?
'Happy Feet' is more than a movie... I fly a Cub
Quote from: sgrizzle on February 24, 2010, 01:06:26 PM
I've seen it flying around before. Was wondering if it was based there.
Yes, at times there are two of the roughly half dozen that are airworthy area at Riverside.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 24, 2010, 11:54:15 AM
I was referring to the person being loopy.
Flying a taildragger isn't much different than a nose dragger. ;D Take off and landings are the big difference. They will teach you the meaning of the words "rudder pedal". Wheel landings are a different skill set from stalled landings.
True, but there's nothing like the feeling of greasing a landing where your stall horn goes off just as your mains touch...
Quote from: Hoss on February 24, 2010, 02:11:49 PM
True, but there's nothing like the feeling of greasing a landing where your stall horn goes off just as your mains touch...
Same with a power off approach from downwind (no correcting with slips or power additions), land a cub on the mains without bouncing.
Quote from: Hoss on February 24, 2010, 01:47:19 PM
we flew west to AMA through some clouds and a bit of a little storm as we got to AMA. He was on final, had the right rudder stabbed full and we still had a crab angle of about 25 to 30 degrees because of a nasty crosswind with quite a headwind component. Needless to say we switched runways.
My dad and I were a flight of 2 in C150s in the mid 80s flying from Santa Fe, NM landing at AMA. The wind was cross to both runways and they advised us there was another airport with a better aligned runway (Tradewind TDW) about 6 mi SW. We landed without incident at AMA. When we arrived at the ramp, the FBO had 2 wing walkers for each of us. I'm glad I had a lot of practice in 150s.
Hey I have a question about the airshow :D...Is there anyone here on the inside that might know what current military acts might be appearing? I still have never seen an A-10 fly so that would be cool. I think the big demo teams are f-16, f-15, f-22, A-10, Blue Angels, and the Thunderbirds.
Quote from: OSU on February 24, 2010, 07:59:04 PM
Hey I have a question about the airshow :D...Is there anyone here on the inside that might know what current military acts might be appearing? I still have never seen an A-10 fly so that would be cool. I think the big demo teams are f-16, f-15, f-22, A-10, Blue Angels, and the Thunderbirds.
You'll probably see f-15 and f-16. The blue angels and thunderbirds have set schedules years in advance. Hardesty own an f-5 so it'll probably be there and some of the older warbirds from riverside like the B-24 and a bunch of T-6's. The bartlesville biplane show just folded so there will probably be a few of those who may come here in leiu of that show. The F-22's are real prevalent yet so probably not an A-10 is a possibility. I'd love for them to bring a B-2 from Tinker but likely all we'll see from OKC is an AWACS.
Quote from: Red Arrow on February 24, 2010, 05:43:24 PM
Same with a power off approach from downwind (no correcting with slips or power additions), land a cub on the mains without bouncing.
Used to love practice the full power-off stall...power to idle, set flaps to 20 and aerodynamics did the rest. It was always unnerving to be 7500 feet up, then see the ground just over the cowling and see your vertical speed was about 1100 fpm down..
;D
Quote from: OSU on February 24, 2010, 07:59:04 PM
Hey I have a question about the airshow :D...Is there anyone here on the inside that might know what current military acts might be appearing? I still have never seen an A-10 fly so that would be cool. I think the big demo teams are f-16, f-15, f-22, A-10, Blue Angels, and the Thunderbirds.
Muskogee has a decent one at Davis Field I hear and this year I think it's on 9-11.
Slight correction, I believe the B-2 program is still run out of Warrensburg exclusively in the states. I did see one doing touch & go's at TUL back when we invaded Iraq & Afghanistan. They've got B-1's at Tinker & McConnell
Quote from: Conan71 on February 24, 2010, 11:16:52 PM
Slight correction, I believe the B-2 program is still run out of Warrensburg exclusively in the states. I did see one doing touch & go's at TUL back when we invaded Iraq & Afghanistan. They've got B-1's at Tinker & McConnell
If you're talking about Whiteman AFB, you'd be correct. That and they keep a small contingent of them at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.
And I've seen them here before both of those wars. I remember pretty vividly one afternoon coming home from work seeing one as I was eastbound on I-244 just coming up on Memorial. Those things take your breath away watching them in person. I can also remember being out at the south observation area on N. Memorial watching flights of two Warthogs (A-11s) taking off. Quite possibly the loudest jet engines you'll ever hear.
Quote from: Hoss on February 25, 2010, 04:08:06 AM
If you're talking about Whiteman AFB, you'd be correct. That and they keep a small contingent of them at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.
And I've seen them here before both of those wars. I remember pretty vividly one afternoon coming home from work seeing one as I was eastbound on I-244 just coming up on Memorial. Those things take your breath away watching them in person. I can also remember being out at the south observation area on N. Memorial watching flights of two Warthogs (A-11s) taking off. Quite possibly the loudest jet engines you'll ever hear.
Warthog is A-10
And Tinker's own page said they support the B-2's out of there:
http://www.tinker-af.org/
Quote from: sgrizzle on February 25, 2010, 07:59:30 AM
Warthog is A-10
And Tinker's own page said they support the B-2's out of there:
http://www.tinker-af.org/
"220, 221 whatever it takes".... I knew it was a Warthog and knew is was A-something.
And supporting doesn't necessarily mean 'housing'. They might house one or two for brief periods, but the lion's share are at Whiteman and Diego Garcia, although Diego admittedly only has four or five at a time. And one at Edwards AFB in California. And two undisclosed 'forward operating locations', but sources say those two locations are in the UK and Guam.